Mantashe decries Mangaung 'manipulation'

2012-12-11 21:12

Johannesburg - Sectors of society were trying to manipulate the outcome of the ANC national conference, the party's secretary general Gwede Mantashe said on Tuesday.

"We see this as a mischievous warning... directed at the ANC," he told reporters at Luthuli House.

"Sectors of society want a particular outcome... I don't think we should accept that."

Mantashe said he was disappointed by the banking, business and cleric sector as they were trying to change the outcome of the conference.

He was responding to reports that religious leaders had written to President Jacob Zuma, warning that the public was concerned that South Africa had lost its moral compass.

In the letter, clerics expressed the view that "our democracy can be significantly improved".

The letter was signed by Archbishop Thabo Makgoba of Church Leaders Consultation, Bishop Joe Seoka of the SA Council of Churches, Rev Moss Ntla of the Evangelical Alliance of SA, and Rev Edwin Arrison of Kairos Southern Africa.

"They [South Africans] yearn for a change from an increasingly corrupt political, business and societal culture to one that is accountable to the people," the clerics wrote.

Copies were sent to political and economic leaders, including Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille.

The presidency confirmed that Zuma had seen the letter.

The African National Congress is scheduled to hold its elective conference in Mangaung next week.

The clerics said the public was not interested in "a superficial change of one self-serving political leader for another, or one political party for another".

Mantashe said the ruling party would not allow any sector to write the ANC's policy.

"It is a question of principle."

He said the determination of the party's leadership should be respected by all sectors.

"The ANC must be allowed to run its business."

  • avremel.niselow - 2012-12-11 21:22

    When did"mischievous" become the favorite word of the ANC?

      godfrey.welman - 2012-12-11 21:56

      And try to change the outcome...does he imply that Zuma is a done deal?

      geronimo.feather - 2012-12-11 22:36

      Like an ostrich, burying its head in the sand to avoid danger. That's right, ANC, keep on ignoring what the public are telling you, and suffer the consequences when the public eventually get gatvol.

      pdvermaak - 2012-12-12 04:14

      "The ANC must be allowed to run its business." Ga, they cant run water into a cup.

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-12 07:08

      The thieving corrupt inner circle would not allow any sector to write ANC policy, it is a question of principle. Am I missing something here?

      marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-12-12 08:14

      With Zuma at the helm there is no 'moaral compass'!!!!!

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-12-12 08:15

      and I wish they would learn how to use it in a grammatically correct way...

  • carryn.whittaker - 2012-12-11 21:24

    You have principles?

      p.borchard - 2012-12-12 08:08

      Gwede, the ANC's JOB is to run South Africa, not run it into the ground as you and the rest of the corrupt high and mighty in government are doing at the moment. Furthermore - you think you are disappointed!?!?!?! Dude, the rest of South Africa is beyond disappointed in the crapola you are leaving in your wake. This is not your personal playground, it is OUR country - ALL OF US. Whatever you decide at your p'ssup in Mangaun has direct repercussions for ALL OF US, so yes, I think the rest of us mere mortals do have a say about what we expect.

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-12-11 21:28

    Who should the ANC adhear to? The man of Gods Woord or the Fore Fathers. Only time will tell.

      hein.huyser - 2012-12-12 06:27

      Nettie, with JZ continually making blood sacrifices to Satan we know the answer to that one

  • dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-11 21:31

    gwede. Put ur country first instead of ur corrupt party and you will understand their concern

      keto.feli - 2012-12-14 22:07

      Did the former National Party put its country first when it oppressed the majority of the people. Leave Gwede alone atleast he is not a racist.

  • paseka.radebe1 - 2012-12-11 21:32

    Mr Mantashe you Always dorch reality ,I think you must Re-Apply yr Position at Spoornet cz you mind need crz test

      emilyjane.elson - 2012-12-11 21:57


  • carl.debeer.33 - 2012-12-11 21:39

    Yes.."crooked business"and what "principle" are you talking about?

  • Karabo Mosehana - 2012-12-11 21:42

    These Anc folks should heed the calls from the clerics. We are gatvol of all this nonsense, if they don't know how frustrated South Africans are and how tired we are of the corrupt nature of things. They can be oblivious to the effects of their crime. Come 2014, they will know how we feel.

  • njdejager - 2012-12-11 21:47

    Gwede = mischievous = word of the year! Start listening in stead of denying Gwede, for a change at least. You and Manyi both thinks everything in SA is a conspiracy. Its actually reality so put on your glasses and LOOK!

  • duncan.phopi - 2012-12-11 21:53

    with small letters `gwede` denotes lost respect and trust from masses. u a a hypocrite and malicious intend to inflence the outcome of the conference at mangaung with u a bias comments.

  • daniel.machet - 2012-12-11 21:55

    Mind out the way! There are too many fingers in this till already

  • merkwaardig.obskuur - 2012-12-11 21:56

    Whenever a comment on the ANC has substance, the ANC reformulates the packaging of the comment, so that it "points" elsewhere. They never address the SUBSTANCE. Quite bizarre behavior, but understandable, non the less!

  • salee.sithwell - 2012-12-11 22:07

    Of course sectors of society want a particular outcome. In all likelihood, the winner will be everyone's president.

  • sunnyboyn - 2012-12-11 22:08

    Mangaung is ANCs. The DA was only one weekend in the News.Not newsworthy. Churches received the 'buck' as well. They have not learned that JZ gets more stronger under attack. It lifts him up!

      TheTruth - 2012-12-11 23:07

      It just makes him scurrel to enrich himself more before his bubble bursts. He knows he's stealing from the poor and his day is coming soon... Nkandla greetings.

      hein.huyser - 2012-12-12 06:34

      Yes Sunny, but you will still be left without a democracy after Mangaung

  • gary.maggz - 2012-12-11 22:19

    What a pathetic little man. Ignore your own people at your own peril boet....oh yeah,don't forget that as a public SERVANT, you and your cronies are employees of ours....all of us,no matter whether we voted for you or not!! Now servant, get on your knees and beg for forgiveness for all the little black kids who still go to school hungry. For all the public hospitals u have allowed to deteriorate.For keeping the majority uneducated to keep yourselves in power. For putting your own disgusting greed before the lives of your people...Jeez,i could go on and on. No well informed, educated population would ever tolerate this incompetance, NEVER!!

      greg.seema.3 - 2012-12-11 23:59

      check your facts or get an education baba,Mantashe is not a civil servant the danger about these loudmouths is that you,ll pass this racist propaganda to your kids.

      hein.huyser - 2012-12-12 06:41

      Gregg, who pays the taxes in this country that ends up in Gwede's account? Last time I checked it was us, the taxpayers The peoblem here is that you guys want dictatorships with the benegits of democracy Next elections choose right, it might be your last vote, seeing that on the path of dictators we never do elections

      mafa.smith.9 - 2012-12-12 06:59

      @seema ,what does race have to do with accountability,cant we for once face reality without draggin along the ugly face of our racial differences,for as long as we continue to glorify the filth dished out to the poor by the Mantashes of this socalled liberation movement,they wil remain just that,ARROGANT

  • Mkhacani Moyambo - 2012-12-11 22:20

    Arrogancy lead to downfall but the Gwedes of sa politics will take a lot of poor masses down with them congrats to ANC

  • koloanea - 2012-12-11 22:22

    Denial, denial and more denial. Typical of our GS.

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-12-11 22:25

    And the band plays on - notwithstanding the noticable tilt of the deck. The furniture is slowly starting to slide........

  • Abdulcarrim Essa - 2012-12-11 22:32

    The anc thinks we south africans are fools and they think the more they lie we will just believe. i think that they think if they keep on lying we will start seeing it as the truth. i have just received confirmation that i can apply for an aus visa and i intend to do just that, and before any one says leave if you want, i intend doing just that and taking my skills with me

      hein.huyser - 2012-12-12 06:44

      gregg, it is a real pity that you love this country, "to death". You go Essa, good luck and think about us who can't leave this soil of our birthright

  • ernest.letsoalo - 2012-12-11 22:34

    Mantashe,we are not happy,what do you want us to say?we happy?that we'll be a lie..what happened to listening to the voices of the public?you are in-denial and ignorant..are you going to defend and justify everuthing that is directed at the ANC?you guys are really killing our beautiful country..I wish there was 1 person who got the balls to stand and listen to the people,just 1 person..but you all are the same-liars and manipulators..ow,and bullies

      hein.huyser - 2012-12-12 06:45

      The word dictator comes to mind

      keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:24

      Tell it like it is Ernest...TELL IT LIKE IT IS! We know of what truths you speak AND WE AGREE...such a pity that denialists like Mantashe cannot grasp the concept!

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  • bill.mckimm.9 - 2012-12-12 00:58

    Yes he is right. Our ANC leadership are todays Gods on Mount Olympus who are all seeing and all knowing, and we are mere mortals who are mischievous and manipulating. And Gwede Mantashe is that AH Mercury who is the messanger of the Gods. May our real God help us all.

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-12-12 03:07

    It's that very 'matter of principle' that needs to be changed, OUPA!

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-12-12 04:01

    Mantashe says the ANC must be allowed to manage its business !! Their business is to steal as much as possible for as long as possible !! Zuma et al must GO !!

  • MrsZwane - 2012-12-12 04:04

    I like how ANC never acknowledge a complaint or concern but always find a way to make it seem that the ANC is bring attacked.. What kind of a leader is Zuma that is not concerned about how the people he leads see him? I just wish he could man up, admit he messed up and resign as the president of the country

      pdvermaak - 2012-12-12 04:23

      No no no, SA'cans must wake up, man up and vote him out, then get responsible people in leadership and put him in jail where he and all his corrupt caders belong.

      keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:36

      Millions of us share your sentiments Mrs Zwane and the time will come when those votes can be counted at the polls...bear with us Mrs Zwane, there is light at the end of the dark ANC tunnel...

  • brionyl.french - 2012-12-12 04:54

    Of course he does, they dont make threats these people just do what they told with a lil pushing

  • abner.malema - 2012-12-12 05:23

    They should allow the public to voice their concerns, because they are the ruling party. As long as the comments does not take us to the dark days.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-12-12 06:26

    No Gwede, you will still do as you please, this is just a warning so that you know that there will be consequences for your pathetic decisions. And don't go blaming apartheid and the whites when things start to implode around you, for once, just once, take responsibility

  • fairness.iseverything - 2012-12-12 06:31

    BEEP!!! Wrong answer. Firstly you ear respect and there is little to respect in your organisation at this point in time or rather since you came to the party. Secondly, stop passing the buck. This is not Africa, its South Africa. People here will only swallow your excuses for a while and then will do what they think is right if you can do it right yourself. Stop acting like your the victim when you are part of the problem, face your mistakes and fix them. Then you might earn some respect.

  • mafa.smith.9 - 2012-12-12 06:36

    i would also be as arrogant because all these ignorrant peasants know is moaning,come electoin they will vote me into power..idiots

  • Johan5417 - 2012-12-12 07:16

    It is called freedom of speech. It is done in the open unlike all those lackeys that are supporting JZ with millions on the quiet and influencing government policy!

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-12-12 07:20

    Maybe Mantashe should start looking at the facts which are common knowledge and a worrying factor is how the ANC leadership seemingly condone these self enrichment actions mainly at the expense of the taxpaying public.

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-12-12 07:34

    ...whilst the the rest of the country laments the anc's pathetic attempt to 'govern' South Africa!

  • thabile.balani - 2012-12-12 09:46

    Its really shocking of how the ANC of today never acknowledges the concerns of the citizens including their membership or suppoters but always find a way to make it seem that the ANC under Zuma regime is bring attacked.. What kind of a leader is Zuma that is not concerned about how the people he leads feel about him? I just wish he could face up reality, admit he messed up and resign as the president of the country and leave politics also because uyazimosha big tym,tthose who want to attack me can do so,i dont give a sh*t

      keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:40

      If they attack you Thabile they will have to attack many of us, because there are SO MANY REAL South Africans who share your sentiments... you are not alone in your honesty!

  • keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:17

    Gwede Mantashe says: "We see this as a mischievous warning” What on earth is a “mischievous warning” dude? Perhaps an impish caveat, a playful counsel or a roguish admonition… what ARE you trying to say? "Sectors of society want a particular outcome... I don't think we should accept that." YES! YES! Sectors of SOUTH AFRICAN society definitely desire a “particular” or distinct outcome and you had better believe it AND accept it! They desire HONEST governance as opposed to the self serving cANCer brand we are suffering under… So Mantashe is disappointed by the banking, business and cleric sector… well tit for tat mate, suck it UP! Have you ever considered how “disappointed these sectors are in YOUR bent cANCer government? As for South Africa having lost its moral compass...I don’t think we should generalize, rather we could point out SPECIFIC detractors who have TOTALLY lost their moral compass…everyone KNOWS who THAT is….

      keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:18

      Mantashe’s article states: In the letter, clerics expressed the view that "our democracy can be significantly improved"…democracy? Really…democracy? Let us rather call it what it is: “autocracy!” South Africans, REAL South African of all ethnic groupings most definitely “yearn for a change from an increasingly corrupt political, business and societal culture to one that is accountable to the people," as the clerics wrote. The clerics know what they are talking about and they are so correct when they say that the public was not interested in "a superficial change of one self-serving political leader for another”… we need a change from a failing “liberation movement”, cadre serving shambles to a REAL DEMOCRATIC political organisation, one with morals, ethics and DISCIPLINE!

      keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:18

      I assure you, Gwede ol’ chap, no sector wishes to “write the ANC's policy”. In fact, could you actually define exactly what the cANCer’s “policy” is…other than self serving self-enrichment? "It is a question of principle" you say. I think that your liberation movement and subsequent farcical “government” have long ago lost any valued “principles” they may have had, in exchange for corruption, maladministration and an ethos of freeloading… a free for all feeding frenzy at the trough of the diminishing tax payer base… Sure, let the “ANC be allowed to run its business", but let someone who knows HOW TO do it, run the country’s government and attempt to reverse the damage you have done……

  • ryan.nel3 - 2012-12-12 10:31

    Can someone please explain to me the logic behind the masses wanting President Zuma for a second term. Please no insults or name calling. I would just like to know the reasoning of the people. Thank you

      keithpatkell - 2012-12-12 10:54

      Can there be a logical sequence of thought attributed to such a decision Ryan or is it simply some kind of blind, abiding obligation that leads to this misappropriated choice? We cannot psychoanalyse the will of the people who wish for such an outcome to mangaung, because there appears to be no conscious will, just a mindless compulsion!

  • joepac.jn - 2012-12-12 16:00

    i am disapponted on this dad statemts: not everything is abt Mangaung for crying loud, our nation is at the edge and all he thinks about its mangaung... Mayb he forgot the role that the churches played during apartheid .... meneer stop under estimating the power of the nation and remember God rules this country.... ANC comes after

  • keto.feli - 2012-12-14 23:23

    The biggest problem about this country is its people; if they are not racist they are tribalistic and moreover if they have access to money and power they let their money to grow them instead of growing it and they become too arrogant. Most privileged people never learn; u can be in power, corrupt, ruthless and be a dictator but eventually your time shall come. What happened to Gaddafi, Saddam, Charles Taylor, Mobutu Seseseko, Hosni Mubarak, Idi Amin, you name them? Mobuto was once rich more than his country but he died like a pauper, so did Gaddafi (rumoured to be worth over $160 billion USD) and he died like a rat. Mbeki was a good example for everyone (except that his regime was not marred by greed and corruption) and yet they choose to turn a blind eye. That man was one of the most powerful and influential President S.A has ever produced and he thought he was invincible. A young arrogant foolish boy (has been-Malema) from the North played a pivotal in his sacking, he was disgraced and history was made. The intelligent Mbeki diplomatically said history will be the judge when he was recalled and he didn't resist passing the rubicon. Politicians are transitory, they come and go powerful and weak alike. They too shall leave like Malema and unfortunately some will be locked up by their own comrades like disgraced former top cop Jackie Selebi for their evil deeds and stealing our hard earned tax money. It doesn't matter how long it takes but their time too shall come too...

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