Mantashe lets rip at ANCYL, Cosatu

2012-12-16 22:55

Bloemfontein - Ill-disciplined ANC members, the party's youth league and Cosatu received a tongue lashing from secretary-general Gwede Mantashe at the ANC's national conference in Mangaung on Sunday.

He warned of "splinters" breaking away from the African National Congress that could "reduce the weight of the movement".

Mantashe told the ANC's 53rd elective conference in Mangaung in the Free State "serious offences" had been levelled against the party.

Mantashe was mostly well received by the audience who sang songs in his support. A few small pockets of people rolled their hands to call for change while he was speaking.

"Some people say nothing has changed since 1994," said Mantashe. "You say 'this ANC' [is worse]. You are 25 and 30, which ANC do you know?"

The Congress of SA Trade Unions was one of those culprits, he said.

He said when Cosatu spoke out against the ANC and said the current government was the same as the apartheid one, it had an impact.

Mantashe criticised Cosatu for focusing too much on the ANC.

"We made an observation that half of the time it gets too pre-occupied with analysing the ANC and not on its own internal analysis."

On the ANC Youth League, Mantashe said it was acting in a similar manner to forces who were against the party.

"The ANCYL is a body of opinion within the ANC. Therefore it must complement and supplement the ideas of the movement.

"In the public eye it makes the ANC... look like its tailing behind the ANCYL," Mantashe said.

One of the reasons why the party took action against expelled ANCYL leader Julius Malema, was because of his utterances against the party, said Mantashe.


If the ANC did not pay attention to discipline, the movement would "bleed to death", he warned.

"Factions have given themselves names in different provinces...

"Therefore factionalism had led to the virtual collapse of discipline in some ANC structures."

He bemoaned the fact that a Democratic Alliance mayor had been voted into power in Tlokwe in the North West, which is an ANC-led municipality.

"You go to Tlokwe, Potchefstroom [in the North West], where the ANC is a majority party," he said.

"But now they have handed leadership over to the DA [Democratic Alliance]."

Mantashe said ill-discipline at a local level was impacting the party's standing in municipalities.

"There is a general decline in organisational discipline," Mantashe told delegates.

"An overwhelming number of [disciplinary] cases involved public representatives at municipalities. We need to raise political awareness at the local government level."

He criticised those who leaked information to the media, and said those who disagreed should rather talk to each other.

When electing a new leader, delegates should vote with the party's best interests at heart and not expect anything in return.

"Focus... must be on deeper democracy and appreciate that the elective conferences are part of the democratic tradition of the ANC.

"The focus should never be on personality, it should be on sharpening that tool," said Mantashe.

  • philip.theron.393 - 2012-12-16 23:09

    What a lot of idiotic utterances. The ANC are running very scared and are realizing (too late) that they are in a world of hurt. The show has only just begun, and Trevor Manuel has jumped the boat. A big loss to the ANC....

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-16 23:29

      And to us!! But who knows what he will get involved with now?

      piet.minnaar.7 - 2012-12-17 05:51

      I agree with you James but while he is saying this he himself is raking in the MILLIONS!!!! " Do as I say, don't do as I do "

      judith.p.miller.7 - 2012-12-17 05:58

      Maybe Trevor will join DA. He'd fit in well there.

      thulanit - 2012-12-17 09:55

      Whites are turning a blind eye i guess , they still believe that blacks who supports ANC are not educated !!! Wake Up !!!

      cyntay - 2012-12-22 13:19

      james.may.5498 its too late they already voted and they voted with their back pockets in mind, not for the good of the country. so Mantashe's words are just hot air

  • Nkhangwe - 2012-12-16 23:22

    we are 30 and voting ANC based on the history,we don't know any ANC except the one which is currently leading us but as far as we were told,the leadership of then was much better and put people first,now is about enriching them self.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-16 23:28

      You have it spot on. And why do they keep referring to themselves as a MOVEMENT and not a political party. That is in itself causing division in our country.

      robin.masters.9469 - 2012-12-17 06:34

      And yet u still vote for them. Fascinating.

      ben.louw.5 - 2012-12-17 07:34

      And they will always stay 'a movement' cause doing the hard work of running a country is boring.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-17 10:53

      Nkhanwe. The leadership and the party of old was there to build equality, and freedom for all. What you have today is a far cry from the days when the ANC was decent and honest.

      paul.prinsloo3 - 2012-12-17 11:52

      Are you sying that you (we) are thirty and sufficiently daft to vote ANC in spite of...?

  • grootrot.vanzyl - 2012-12-16 23:25

    Gwede, when are YOU going to act? You are the secretary general responsible for the day to day running of the ANC or were you too busy to help Zuma get re - elected?

  • doreen.nokwanda - 2012-12-16 23:38

    Defensive talk,yes we are 25&30,but can surely see da difference judging from the changes from the apartheid regim to the greediness we see now.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-16 23:45

      To be honest Doreen, not much difference.....Both are oppressive towards the people of the country!

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-12-16 23:51

      @ Doreen - They only have the so called legacy of the ANC to cling to now - the leadership have lost control completely, and they think, if they keep the past alive, people will continue to vote for them. Their strategy may well work for the older generation, but the younger voters don't know the ANC that was, and the ANC that is does not make the grade by any stretch of the imagination. They have lost the plot, and it is time for them to go. The past can only take them so far.

      Sho Sbu - 2012-12-17 00:51

      @Doreen, lets not utter words as if we were sending the dead to their last house. yes anc did play a role to be where we are unfortunately those who had good intention of the country are no ,ore sitting in the deciding powers. think of a son who grows in a business family but serves no interests of the business yet takes over from his father...get the drill*wink

      sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-12-17 04:49

      "Apartheid" and "The Struggle" are nothing but methods of subterfuge used by greedy, power hungry politicians. Politicians of all ilk throughout the ages are the same. They have cheated us. They have fooled us. Hundreds of millions of people, billions of men and women yet to be born, have been and are being cheated, traded and tricked out of their lives and health and well-being. Why do we still listen to them?

  • mahlomola.mohale.5 - 2012-12-16 23:40

    Vavi wat do u want 4rm ANC? cos u always critisis 2 me u wil end up lyk malema, u wanted 2 b de SG of SACP but u neva came clire.sory cosatu doesn't need some1 lyk u.weldone 2 da SG GWEDE MANTASHE 4 putting it is .GWEDE SECOND TERM.4WAD WTH SECOND PHASE OF TRANSITION 4WAD .down wth nationalisation of mines down.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-12-17 01:00


      paddy.carolan.35 - 2012-12-17 06:11

      You are living proof of the ANC's failed education policies. Or are you still in Grade 3?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-17 10:56

      Mahlomola.mohale.5. It hurts me every time a person educated today writes the way you do. Those responsible for teaching you should all be locked up.

      cyntay - 2012-12-22 13:27

      gosh I wish I understood that language it certainly is not English... though it is masquerading as English.... I see the same type of language on Mxit... i guess its a learned language on such a media. if this is an example of the education given to the people these days .... sad.... really sad.....

  • ramabele.tisetso - 2012-12-16 23:43

    It's safe to say ANC's days are numbered. A divided house cannot stand.

      Sho Sbu - 2012-12-17 00:45

      @ramabele, first lets define what a house is, also look at what constitute a house...could we talk then dear sir...peacefully if we may:)

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-17 06:19

      Sho! lets just say the ANC used to be an RDP brick house and now is a squatter shack...........

  • david.thulani.98 - 2012-12-16 23:49

    anc is like someone who is being burn by plastic when he was trying to make fire,anc need to do reconciliations themselfves,heal one another ,and love each other, then they come to us united,like Mandela .

  • Gorden Norman - 2012-12-16 23:52

    Seems to me this idiot is trying to save face. Either that or he trying to get a ring around his neck

  • deja.skenka - 2012-12-17 00:00

    I cud not agree more Ntate ZuMantashe.

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-12-17 00:24

      Mate can you answer me this? Isn't the movement achieved? What more is there? Human rights? Equality? Peace? Tenders? Corruption? Racism (Going to be worse than those boers), Flattulation (that's when gas is expelled randomly) ???

  • Elia Hlulani - 2012-12-17 00:12

    mr matashe age is jst a number ...this is also our country nd if thngs dnt go the way we expect it to be we will raise concernns

      poppie.malinga - 2012-12-17 03:35

      If the senior Members alienate the youth, how do they expect the youth to learn? This is no way of mentoring the future presidents of Mzansi... The old toppies must involve the youth in most decisions and not be resistant to change.

  • Simon Maabe - 2012-12-17 00:24

    Malema is coming back...

      Sunshine- - 2012-12-17 01:54

      Yes Simon, this is the biggest danger of all.

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-17 08:46

      Racketeering in South Africa - when found guilty, carries a Life Sentence or a fine of up to R1 million.

      moses.m.masilela - 2012-12-17 12:55

      We miss him

      sexyfancyface - 2012-12-17 17:30

      Coming back where?

      justin.rens.9 - 2012-12-20 10:34

      or a seat in parliament Xavier

  • luzukotosh - 2012-12-17 00:57

    look whos talking.

  • Julia Griffiths - 2012-12-17 01:46

    ANC must realise they are an island & dictating to factions is not going to help. ANC are being kept in place by these very factions, as this ruling party has bled the country dry of resources by allowing corruption to continue without them chasing after and recovering these very large amounts and putting the corrupt behind bars. They only have themselves to blame.

      Fezile Ntontela - 2012-12-17 04:30


      matlairay.khoza.9 - 2012-12-20 10:14

      I regard corruption as a phase which will eventually die when checked.Those of you shouting corruption are the ones who actually caused the situation.By keeping people in abject poverty and denying them of any human dignity are contributary factors.Now they find themselves to have access to unlimited funds,this is where it starts.Stop blaming and take a hard look at yourselves-you are the cause.

  • Sunshine- - 2012-12-17 02:02

    "Some people say nothing has changed since 1994," said Mantashe. "You say 'this ANC' [is worse]. You are 25 and 30, which ANC do you know?" What a stupid question for a politician to ask at any time but especially when the median age in the country is 25.

      joe.kony.3382 - 2012-12-17 09:06

      How is the question stupid? He's asking how people who have no recollection of life before 1994 can ASSERT that things are better or worse. I am NOT satisfied with the status quo, and I certainly would like to see *significant* change in the ANC and its policies. I do NOT like the fact that RSA is becoming a welfare state. I do NOT like that a largely black-led ANC is not doing a good job at helping the marginalized (who are predominantly black). I also do NOT enjoy the extreme degree of partisanship which has drifted from political, to purely racial lines. However, this notion that the people in power are worse than the previous regime is sensationalistic rabble-rousing at its finest. I admire and respect Tutu, but it's sad that he lent credence to the notion.

  • truthbetold221 - 2012-12-17 03:14

    Problem is that The best interest of the party is not the best interest of the country. Rather the opposite.

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-12-17 03:17

    coercing discipline leads into rebellion. poor insight invites more resolution , maybe you creating work for yourself ,sir! with leaders unworthy of esteem ,its impossible to RESPECT - you must know, spheres of respect are through self-esteem and and reverence. other than that it must be something else (i believe ANC is not a god). yet again, i'm hardly surprised by those who support zumantashe, (yours and theirs is to make hay while the sun shines), taking advantage of DA's growth as posing threat and a (threat) that benefits indirectly into ANC remain alive. GOOD LUCK.

  • Tuks Lyla - 2012-12-17 05:38

    correction must be made to groom young leaders.good idea mantashe

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-12-17 05:58

    Has anyone got official confirmation on who is uglier, between Gwede and Blade?

      morrisn2 - 2012-12-17 07:48

      I thinks takes the award on that catergory, u mention wrong ppl, shes the ugliest!

      morrisn2 - 2012-12-17 07:49

      I think zille takes the award on that catergory, u mention wrong ppl, hellen zille is the ugliest!

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-12-17 08:18

      Hell, you could be right. Wasn't thinking of the female event!

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-12-17 08:34

      Kenny. If you don't shut up, I'll report you!

      zuma.compound - 2012-12-17 09:12

      Not sure..they all look the same to me.

  • andy.mku.9 - 2012-12-17 06:03

    mantashe must go to hell we want malema back or else the ANC will never be the same

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-12-17 08:21

      I agree. Maybe he'll start exposing the baddies, when he's in jail. It was always said he had the lowdown on the Top Brass. Can't wait, but, jail first, for the corrupt little thief.

  • isaac.mnisi.3 - 2012-12-17 06:13

    Manthashe is speaking the truth which most people don't wanna hear.If he speak about discipline within the party,is he not telling the truth.I comment his guts cos he is able to stand up and say what is good for the organisation.

  • Modikoe.Elias.Ramongana - 2012-12-17 06:31

    He will never ever be a change,I stay in Mabopane where the last development was done during the time of president Lucas Manyane Mangope.If we say there's no changes/develpment, we talking about where we stay. Gwede u speaking like a headless chicken.ANC is a barking dog,that never bites.

      Phanuel - 2012-12-17 07:16

      Ramogana is true, this country need 2 go back 2 the way things were being held and control during the old gvmt. At the rulal area where we see areas being controled by Inkosi.Let them work closesly with the manucipal gvmt u will see the changes from every corner of this country.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-17 11:09

      Modikoe. Elias. Ramongana. While in exile I made sure that hundreds of aid parcels went to Mabopane on a regular basis. I often wonder what happened to all those people. When you say now that there is no development, it saddens me, it really does.

      sexyfancyface - 2012-12-17 17:39

      Modikoe I hear people miss old Mangope real hard infact the youth of Nnorth West is trying to revive his party. Hmmm how could one not miss those old days of Mafikeng heeee? It was the nicest place by far, he gave free education heeee gone are those days strue. I had another guy who misses the old Transkei days and the good education that emanated from there...ANC you should be ashamed that people think apartheid was better. Growing up the apartheid government with their evilness at least they even fumigated Soweto I only started seeing rats after 1994! You should have taken all the good from the old regime and just did away with apartheid and included everyone in the economy. I mean even BEE is failing us black people. All the deals go to the connected. In the old days vander Merwe used to manage the old municipal office. If there was a leakage in the roof or anything of that sort all you had to do was go to the municipal office, tell vander merwe and before the end of the day the problem would be attended to. I went to see a councillor 3 months ago over a petty issue and my matter has been ignored completely yet this moron earns R40 000 per month for doing nothing. Why do you blame us for missing apartheid days? I met this old woman and she told me that there were so much jobs that she would in the morning clock in in one company in the first floor and knock off at another company in the second floor.Why wud u change if you think u r perfect Gwede?

  • masta.pilusa - 2012-12-17 06:46

    ANCYL is wnt malema bck which means the follow individuals...

  • jannielr - 2012-12-17 06:51

    @ Dumsani. So what makes your rasist comments any diffirent from aparthuid? You are doing exactly that, which the pre 1994 government did. Not true? White youth today had no invluence or say back then. So clearly you have some huge aparthuid views directed at whites. Aparthuid goes both ways. Today the ANC is heading directly into that same path. I can assure you that if people (white or black) continue on a rasist journey, SA will end up being no diffirent than the rest of Africa. If you think we have poverty issues now? Wait until foreign investors pull out of SA. Then you will see real poverty. The old and new governments both screwed up. We need a real democratic leader like Barack Obama in SA. If that's the case, I will vote for the ANC myself.

  • caine.abel.75 - 2012-12-17 06:53

    This Anc is not the same anc mantashe.........stop bs yourself

  • mart.botha - 2012-12-17 07:10

    How can he talk about 'democracy' and then state 'delegates should vote with the party's best interests at heart and not expect anything in return' ?. Is he a moron? To me democracy and voting to toe the party line are opposites. God help us from this dysfunctional organisation that is held bent on a one party state, but fortunately cannot organise a piss up in a brewery.

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-12-17 07:19

    He is like the little boy who drops the milk jug on the tiles and says, "Look, Mommy, look what my sister did!"

  • TdJ01 - 2012-12-17 07:45

    Too little too late!! The ANC already screwed the pooch there will be no turning back, even the most ardent blind ANC supporter have seen the totally uselesness and incompetence of their "leaders".

      khethi.mtshali.1 - 2012-12-17 08:07

      Dey even get these positions by recommendation not by qualification. Dey think leadership is a position. Leadership is a function.

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-17 08:27

    They must all go back to zimbabwe where their illegal immegrant parents came from

      joe.ndlovu.16 - 2012-12-17 09:44

      illegal migrant is your father and mother stupid idiot.

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-17 08:29

    Obama don't make laugh!!

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-12-17 08:31

    why didn't you let rip at Juju when he was singing "kill the boer" you damn puppet....nooo only when he started going mongrel on you did he suddenly become an are a as good as a shifting spanner where an allen key is needed

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-12-17 09:20

    Qhubani nto zobawo,sawudl'efileyo.

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-12-17 10:11

    Good Mr Mantashe. This gentleman lashed equally at anyone he felt taking on without any fear. I think all politicians should be like that.

  • sylvia.nortje - 2012-12-17 10:24

    It is because of comments such as those made by the Mathata's in life that racism is still ongoing... he is thinking emotional instead of intellectual. Hallo my friend wake up and take note that should we not stand together and try and safe the country, we are all going down whether we are pink black or white. Where are those glorious leaders when your sisters and brothers are being raped and killed. I would rather serve a chinese president in SA should he be able to lead us all forward towards a crime-free country. SA has the ability to feed itself, but we are too lazy and corrupt to utilise this gift.. We need food on our tables not ministers that are more overseas than attending to problems in SA. We need do-ers (people that are willing to walk the talk, currently we only have talkers and takers (putting it mild)...

      paul.prinsloo3 - 2012-12-17 11:55

      Sylvia, I'm not so sure about the Chinese President, but in broad we concur.

  • matthew.whitwam - 2012-12-17 10:25

    it really just sounds like he's saying "agree with us, or at least shut up about it, just don't leave because we need your numbers."

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-17 10:48

    Organisational discipline?. Something like trying to train ants to perform in a circus?.

  • alan.stuart.75873 - 2012-12-17 11:33

    Speech from a dieing party, Mantashe you can shout all you like but the game is up, more and more each day realise how corrupt and perfetic the ANC is. The time will come when the ANC are put to rest – BUT WILL IT BE TO LATE LIKE ZIMBABWE

  • alan.stuart.75873 - 2012-12-17 11:33

    Speech from a dieing party, Mantashe you can shout all you like but the game is up, more and more each day realise how corrupt and perfetic the ANC is. The time will come when the ANC are put to rest – BUT WILL IT BE TO LATE LIKE ZIMBABWE

  • moses.m.masilela - 2012-12-17 12:53

    Lets rip you and Zuma first before we can rip ANCYL.

  • fly.onthewall.54 - 2012-12-17 13:13

    Seeing as they only 25 - 30, they only know the ANC whom steals from it's people. U telling me there is another anc?

  • flower.fourie - 2012-12-17 14:12

    "When electing a new leader, delegates should vote with the party's best interests at heart and not expect anything in return". So not he best interests of the people then. Well done another case of foot in mouth. Idiot.

  • martin.warburg.5 - 2012-12-17 14:18

    the rowdiest display of mediocrity you will ever see - the ANC in free fall. trying to organise a conference for them must be nigh impossible as they would be hard put to organise a pissup in a distillery.

  • nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-12-17 16:12

    One thing about bigbek Juju - he really shook the ANC tree quite hard.

  • sexyfancyface - 2012-12-17 17:24

    Talk is cheap Gwede but am appalled that you really don't take kindly to criticism. You are denialists and there is a lot of truth in what you say because just like the clergy said you have completely lost your moral ground as a party. You are the tool that can be used to riches without any hard work and you continue to create a bunch of so called business men and women who are clueless about wealth creation however they remain billionaires within the shortest period of time. It is only in SA that people become billionaires and millioinaires in a 9 to 5 job. I mean the big bonuses the likes of Transnet and Eskom get would tempt anyone to want the shortest route to what looks like wealth creation which is not because none of our people know how to create wealth. Until you accept criticism maybe you can change. Yes many old people say apartheid was better they say their children can't get jobs unless they pull their panties down and this is the new SOuth Africa we are meant to appreciate Gwede.My sister in law was told she will only get a tender if she opens her thighs and she tried to offer the guy money and he told her straight I want that which is between your legs. Don't you love SA Gwede, Gwede I don't expect you to understand becoz your children are safe and will never be subjected to this.

  • sexyfancyface - 2012-12-17 17:26

    Mathatha you are talking crap. Who introduced pensions? It was the apartheid government even though our people didnot get it monthly but if they had not introduced it do you think your corrupt ANC would have introduced it. Well at least you don't represent the rest of us voter your membership is a mere one million and 200 thousand so we call the shots, we sympathetic ANC voters or ex ANC voters. Our DA will win ask the must NEVER say never..You reckon you liberated us to abuse sies man! nxa

  • sexyfancyface - 2012-12-17 17:46

    Since the ANC took over my anger towards the white man has turned into love. I mean if our own take us for a ride like this. The anc is clueless and they are not willing to admit it. They don't know how to rule however they do have competent people in their ranks who will never see the light of power. Instead it is the thugs that rise through the ranks and it is too late for the ANC to try and save itself. Power corrupts absolutely.I put South Africa first that is why I have joined the DA,I don't care who runs the country and that person must run it up and not run it down. The DA is growing in leaps and bounds and the ANC is just so typical of all liberation movements which eventually reach their sellby dates. The ANCYL is a flop I mean who would expect young people in 2012 to call for nationalisation the worst failure to hit humanity. THe one policy that kills jobs dismally? I mean really now people...I also don't like it that our future is in the hands of 4500 mostly thugs they should have the right to nominate an ANC president and not the country's president. I must say though Zuma would make an excellent singer the guy can sing very well....

      cyntay - 2012-12-22 15:52

      i'd like to see these ANC government so called officials live on a pension. Seriously R1200 wont even buy then one meal!! and people are expected to live on that for a month paying rental, buy food, etc. their lives are miserable ..... many gogo's are also bringing up grandchildren whose parents have died, and don't give me that they get a grant for each child, thats a laugh it not enough to feed a child for 2 days let alone a month plus clothing, schooling etc.. most gogos dont have the means or are no longer able to work due to old age and failing strength, yet they do a heroic job of bringing up grandchildren. the ANC should be ashamed at the way they have let the people down

  • cialb - 2012-12-17 20:54

    Where is the democracy you guys spoke of in your rhetoric up to now? Now no more criticism or opinions that differ from the party line will be brooked. Smacks of a dictatorship to me.

  • B.b. - 2012-12-17 23:29

    U r a good father Mantashe. Don't worry, all those who disagree with u r not ANC members

  • Kwajo.m - 2012-12-18 00:20

    Ja neh! What went wrong in Tlokwe, Potchefstroom. This is very strange. All councilors need to explain.

  • lanyardm - 2012-12-18 09:58

    It makes me very sad to read about the comments after each article related to the ANC on News24. It shows me that there is still wide divisions between black and white. And the white commentators do nothing but name calling, calling our leaders idiots and uneducated while there is also a significant lack of content to their arguments. I am not a PRO ANC person but there is nothing else better out there based on this comments. Narf! sick and tired of this eish! Can you tell me one negative thing that the ANC did to you personally to explain your anger at the ANC.

  • marschoeman - 2012-12-20 05:50

    "When electing a new leader, delegates should vote with the party's best interests at heart and not expect anything in return." They have been voting like idiots since 1994 for "leadership" that has not done anything except pull our lovely country into the gutter. This happened because they voted for the "party's best interest" and not for their own best interest.