Manuel: I'm out

2012-12-16 10:30

Bloemfontein - Planning Minister Trevor Manuel’s shock decision to quit active ANC politics doesn’t mean he is angry with the governing party.

However, he believes that the ANC’s values are being destroyed by the current competition for leadership positions, that it is time for younger leaders to take over, that the party’s policy-making is poor and that Parliament is weak.

In an exclusive interview with City Press, moments after it was revealed that Manuel had declined nomination to the ANC’s national executive committee (NEC), the veteran politician said he wanted to play a “different kind of role”.

Manuel told City Press he took the decision “as a matter of principle”.

The ANC’s national elective conference was rocked on Saturday when Manuel and another struggle stalwart, Deputy Public Works Minister Jeremy Cronin, announced that they would not continue serving in the ANC’s leadership structures.

“After 21 and a half years, you ask: do I still have the hunger?” Manuel said.

"It is time for young people to come through the system. I want to try to mentor. I feel there’s a duty to do that now.

“If everything is a competition, you destroy values [as is being done now]. If this happens, you cannot draw on the skills and expertise [of people who leave after brutal competition]. This was clear at Polokwane,” he said.

President Jacob Zuma is being challenged by his deputy, Kgalema Motlanthe, for the ANC’s presidency.

Manuel’s wish is for a smaller NEC “of fewer cadres and better-quality discussions”. He said Parliament was “weak” at overseeing policymaking and implementation.

“We need to develop nuance. I was saying to somebody the other day that we make policy as if we are on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, where the loudest shouters get the biggest bids. It’s not a marketplace. Policymaking is more complex and nuanced.”

  • logical007 - 2012-12-16 10:32

    Watch this space: Trevor to join the DA !!!

      sharmay.thuynsma - 2012-12-16 10:37

      I hope so...

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-12-16 10:53

      Hope not. Ppl who still back the current ANC fully are gravy train benefactors

      christoffvstaden - 2012-12-16 10:54

      One of the very few politicians I admire - as a mentor I can see him helping many young people in this country - and I truly believe his skills can greatly add to the growth of the DA, as they seem to be the only party that has a future and values that most SA's can relate to.

      lownabester - 2012-12-16 10:56

      The only clever man, and he is not corrupt, Hats off to you Trevor. You doing the right thing. Meng jou met die semels en die varke vreet jou op, dont sell your soul.

      grootrot.vanzyl - 2012-12-16 10:58

      It took some time huh?

      samuel.slyme - 2012-12-16 11:04

      Naa, not Oleaginous Trevor. He has other ambitions ... directorships, shares, perhaps the World Bank eventually. A Man for all Colours ... once Red now Bluer than the DA.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-12-16 11:08

      My prayers and Tutu's prayers are beginning to be answered.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-12-16 11:09

      It would be far more effective if more senior and prominent black leaders within the ANC also stood down to make a stand against the current abysmal situation.

      jannie.devos.56 - 2012-12-16 11:17

      Will the last one to leave please switch off the lights.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-12-16 11:26

      Very interesting, but expected. The question now is, what puppet is going to take his place now and this so called puppet must pull an elephant out of a hat if the ANC wants to win 2014 elections. My guess is, it's going to be a "grab all you can and will the last one switch the lights off" year.

      zamani.ndlovu.5203 - 2012-12-16 11:45

      T was xpected.manuel was no longer an important member of anc.he cld feel himself tht he was no longer cared 4.remembr he was threatened with expulsion wen he accused jimmy manyi of being a racist.I bet even he contested 4 a nec position he was goin 2 lose.he was already a lame duck who had lost hiz position within the branch even nominated him 4 the top six leadership

      daniel.machet - 2012-12-16 12:06

      Would probably do better at cope, might help them into a formidable opposition. Also he'll be back with his old colleagues

      beverly.young3 - 2012-12-16 13:32

      JUMP BOET!!!!!

      lsfreak - 2012-12-16 14:30

      Must have been the "Titanic" remark :/

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-16 17:19

      good on you now join the opposition please......................

      gary.smith.rsa - 2012-12-16 17:29

      If you think that this man has the slightest shred of moral fibre then read about the arms deal and how how he and Ramos have systematically given away our national jewels ... Terry Crawford-Browne wrote a book about the arms deal - do yourselves a favour and read it ...

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-16 21:13

      @gary not about moral fibre but everything to do with fracturing the ANC into defeat at the polls...............

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-12-16 21:30

      ...Like rats from a sinking ship they jump

      75sibusisomhlongo - 2012-12-16 22:22

      you wish

      tiaan.vanderberg.75 - 2012-12-17 10:49

      I agree with Sibisisus. The rats are still on the ship.

      brendan.oconnell.545 - 2012-12-17 11:32

      Well if he had an ounce of respectability left he would, sadly it seems once a comrade always a comrade with the pull of the so called " liberation credentials" far out weighing reality and real values !

      bullet.proof.9400 - 2012-12-17 13:20

      Maybe he and Maria have made enough on the back of the anc and now feel guilty

      balan.morgen - 2012-12-17 16:33

      Join the Progressing DA and challenge that useless anc.

      travis.vermaak - 2012-12-17 17:01

      ROFL @ ANC....It's about time!!!

      rob.bancroft.94 - 2012-12-17 22:53

      You are dreaming, chum. He is too much an anc man. He is only obviously tired of the corruption and the poor administration, but that does not mean he will go to the DA. That is the last thing he will do.

      johan.mostert.967 - 2012-12-18 07:25

      "The only clever man, and he is not corrupt," Or maybe just too clever to be caught. Retire while still ahead.

  • avremel.niselow - 2012-12-16 10:32

    There goes one of the last decent politicians in the ANC.

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-12-16 11:04

      He's got too much class and brains for were he is right now.The man is respected internationally.Your'e doing the right thing.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-12-16 11:08

      Please name the remaining ones Should not take too long.

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-16 11:14

      True, the man has intergrity.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-16 11:52

      Amazed it took so long...

      gary.smith.rsa - 2012-12-16 17:34

      decent politician? what a joke. just because he was less vocal doesn't mean that he was not right at the front of the pig trough remind me ... who does his wife work for?? give me a break!

      jeremy002 - 2012-12-17 11:23

      He should have quit the ANC earlier when they showed their true attitude to him by giving him a sideways "promotion" into hastily contrived, toothless, portfolio. Well done Trevor. the party is doomed. Go out and make some real money now, like Cyril, Tokyo and company, but change it into a real currency and get it out the country before the economy collapses.

  • sharmay.thuynsma - 2012-12-16 10:36

    Wishing you luck Trevor, your brilliance can be used for better things than boosting the ANC.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-12-16 11:20

      Manuel spent many months if not longer putting a road map together for South Africa. Millions was spent on this and included input from some of the best brains and expertise this country has to offer. The very people who briefed him to do this have been sitting on it for the last couple of years and refuse to implement it because it does not suite their own narrow interests. I would also bugger off. Go where you are respected and taken seriously.

      gary.smith.rsa - 2012-12-16 17:40

      Shame Trevor, now that you have been pushed to the back of the trough because are no longer useful - must be hard. But I'll give you one thing, somehow you managed to fool most people into believing that you are an honest ANC politician. There is simply just no such thing. All ANC politicians whether deployed as bankers or local councilors are thieves.

  • zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-16 10:39

    Bon Voyage......

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-16 11:15

      The weak must fall by the wayside,,,,,These blank entities have nothing more to offer.......

      nicholas.graan - 2012-12-16 11:30

      Unfortunately the weak don't fall by the wayside, they get re-elected as President, and those that do "fall by the wayside" eventually, are handsomely rewarded for the damage they have done.

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-16 11:49

      Nick..............Whatever you believe makes no difference.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-16 11:52

      Troll Alert!! Please don't feed this horrible little creature...

      liam.doherty.334 - 2012-12-16 11:53

      And ANC sinks. Good luck as all the intellegence has left.

      stephenrfrank - 2012-12-16 12:21

      His baby toe had more to offer than your idiotic comments!!

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-16 12:45

      When your best people start walking out of your organisation you can know that the rot is in full swing. Down with the ANC!!!

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-16 12:57

      Any individual who finds the heat in the kitchen is no longer bearable consequently the door awaits. Give someone else the chance to make a difference....Yesssssssssss.

      liam.doherty.334 - 2012-12-16 14:21

      Who else?

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-16 14:54

      zapalepa let me rephrase that for you, "anybody who doesn't find the STENCH bearable the door awaits"

      chaapo.sithole - 2012-12-16 15:19

      So said Mugabe after then Industry and International Trade minister, Nkosana Moyo, quit for the misdirected policies that he argued would lead to an economic collapse. Just like you, the he attacked the messenger not the message and look where Zimbabwe is now. It takes courage to go against the flow.just as the DP would have shown courage to run for just one post, not three which are meant to ensure political survival. Each time I read from the likes of you and the claims about weakness levelled against those who quit, I think of Zimbabwe and Mugabe and the psychopathic body of people of people around him who, in order to continue the rape of the country which benefits the few, have no backbone to say they cannot be party to the corruption.

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-16 15:55

      Chappo, If you worther to actually investigate the biggest reason to the failure of Zimbabwe, Sanctions against the country played a larger role than 5 Muggers (Mugabes)

      chaapo.sithole - 2012-12-16 16:16

      And what caused the sanctions? The open violence (rapes and killings of the opposition), the intimidation and beatings of ordinary people, the theft of an election.Let us go back before these so-called sanctions; why Zim was suspended from the Commonwealth?. Move forward, the appropriation of asserts that should have been protected under the protocols government committed to. As for the one story about sanction- these are only targeted towards these goons and their families. They vilify the West but all of them would have their children in the Western universities and the Prez would take an almost obligatory yearly holiday on the French Riviera and for any place he would fly to would make an obligatory stopover in London(and by the way the Prez made sure his daughter is in Hong Kong- the closest place to a British culture). These are the 'sanctions" they mourn about. Let us go on again, in a country with some of the biggest finds of alluvial diamonds, not much is coming to the treasury while a minister in charge has almost overnight become one of the richest men in Zim- the self-styled King of Matebeleland North. Back home too Mugabe is making endless trips to Malaysia for treatment while in Bulawayo Mpilo Hospital- the largest provincial hospital in the province for those without means- is under threat of closure. That is the narrative of Zim and your so-called sanctions. We know the reality- we ive in not some people who comment from the sidelines.

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-16 17:17

      Chapo, Now look at the big picture, Why didn't the West step in when Mugabe became a Mugger .... Answer, like in the past over the entire world especially the Middle-East. The West helps install dictators to ensure the sub-ordinates toe the line. The West didn't care cos Muggers held the reigns. Once Mugabe cut the strings and informed the West that new agreements will have to be made.......Sanctions are laid. Be sure this recession in the West is partially due to the Zim funds not being traded in the slush fund. The Western investors now have less funds to generate down the food chain. Do a little root cause analysis and a different fact exists. Investigating single issues never offer up a holistic view.

      chaapo.sithole - 2012-12-16 17:44

      Clever but the kool aid won't work anymore especially to Zimbabweans. Mugabe turned on his own after he was denied sweeping powers in a referendum so he had to find the fall guy for the electorate denying him. First it was the commercial farmers, then the opposition and once they tasted the ill-gotten gains, now the businesses. As for it benefiting people, asserts seized are taken over by ZANU PF linked people/companies who then run them into the ground. This will be the outcome of the companies like they did the farms - seized them in crop- harvested the crop but once done had no clue on the way forward so that from net exporters of food and seed crop, we are perennial beggars for food aid. Many companies are closing in Bulawayo - why are they not taking them and making a turn-around instead of seizing going concerns? We are already seeing the fallout for example in how Zimbabwe has been excluded from the Barclays Africa sale to Absa. This is at a time Zim is begging investment but who in their right mind would put sweat and money into developing a business only to have it swollen away? So, contrary to you exhortations that I get the big picture, I seem to get it better since your responses show you as stuck in generalities and the politispeak and cannot respond to the specifics of this issue.

      aviviers1 - 2012-12-17 17:44

      Zapadela...... You are really not the brightest smartie in the box. No, sanctions didn't sink Zim's ship. Stupidity did. Something between rotting the bread basket of Africa and nationalisation of the private sector. Giving the heard to the herder, giving the bank to a clerical intern and asking the duster to do brain surgery does that. Almost like asking you to make an intelligent comment. Oh I guess you are even more confused now. Don't worry just keep on shining smartie, like the rest of your comrades who wants to fly the Boeing because they cleaned the hanger. That plain not gonna fly its gonna shine big time when it goes up in flames :) Yip - The brains of the outfit or rather the real pilots and trained crew is leaving the plain. Bon Voyage compadre's.

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-12-18 09:33

      @ zapadela. It was greed, theft, corruption and mismanagement of Mugabe and the the criminal elements within the Zanu PF leadership that killed Zimbabwe's economy. And if not stopped Zuma and the criminal elements within the ANC will kill South Africa's economy.

  • FarmerJoe - 2012-12-16 10:40

    part of the arms deal scandal so this is no saint. however compare him with showerhead and he achieves god like status, but so would ted bundy

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-16 11:08

      Let us agree that when you are governing you make decisions that might have negative results in the future and he is no exception. Let us have a look in his contribution to the coutry holisticly and rate him out of 10, surely 8 would not be a far fetched figure. Yes he was never perfect but he was doing an excellent job as a finance minister.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-12-16 14:46

      He (Along with Alec - the slime - Erwin) also form a large part of the blame for the Eskom disaster, amongst others, something which all his cheerleaders seem to strangely overlook.

  • annelise.vanderschyff - 2012-12-16 10:42

    The only one that's not brain dead!!!!!!

  • phae.rayden - 2012-12-16 10:46

    Respect Mr Manuel. I've never been a great fan of yours, but this is an honest and gallant move. I sincerely hope your new calling to mentor younger politicians is not tied to the ANC and you will rise above Party politics. Your experience will be invaluable to all who enter politics to ensure a truly civilised and democratic South Africa.

  • pieter.olivier.37 - 2012-12-16 10:48

    A brilliant guy using his brain. Good move Trevor!

  • teboho.martin.3 - 2012-12-16 10:48

    I new it, wwhats more suprises can we expect,I wish it was jacob Zuma who quit, I was gonna buy 1000 rand red meet and worse and Braai to celebrate.Lol but I am shocked by trevor, I know how much he love his job.

  • muzi.myeni - 2012-12-16 10:50

    I wuh hav done the same! It must have bin hell remaining sane in that pool where insanity is glorified! Irreplaceable!

  • sharmay.thuynsma - 2012-12-16 10:51

    Wasn't Cronin backing the E-tolls?

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-12-16 13:22

      Yes... how to get rich very quickly.

  • luviwe.jay - 2012-12-16 10:51

    Let me take this opportunity for the service that you had provided to us as citizens of this coutry, and wish you could continue to do that in another level. I think this is the best for you as a person with intergrity not to be part of the rot that is taking place. I'm sure even the discussions on policy matters have detoriarated to a level where you could't take it anymore. It's a pity that the anc is losing their best brains rapidly. But they can't see that as they are so consumed on looting the resources of this country for their own personal gain. In any event they had already sidelined you albeit keeping your name in their cabinet so as to have some credibility.

  • morrisn2 - 2012-12-16 10:52

    If my understanding is correct, Trevor is not leaving ANC but active politics within it, which will allow him more time to mentor the youth thru the ANC structures, if parliament is weak, it means oppositio is weak and he sees no point 2 b there! I agree

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-16 10:59

      What you are saying is true, but I will advise you to watch the space. Something has got to give as he had lost hope with the current leadership and no hope in sight. So he chooses not to be part of that.

      vuyelwa.kamlana - 2012-12-16 11:08

      Very true...

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-16 10:54

    Yes, Trevor, you can hide your principles some of the time but not all the time. We'll wait and see what you are going to do next.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-16 10:56

    wow, the ANC has just lost its only intellectual..

  • mshiniboys - 2012-12-16 10:57

    Trevor did not enjoy the smoking spree yesterday.

  • angela.nair.3 - 2012-12-16 11:00

    I saw it coming!!! But I wish old Trevor would be honest and say the party he belongs to has evolved into something he feels ashamed to be associated with! They are Capitalists! Corrupted! Unsociable (socialists?), Dictators, Self Enriching and so on and so forth! Welcome to the DA Trevor...... We waiting for you!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-12-16 11:09

      Too polite ...They know the truth already anyway....

      solo.mathe.5 - 2012-12-16 18:50

      So Trevor must express YOUR feelings about the ANC, otherwise he's not being honest. Hope you never go into politics cos you have the makings of a dictator...

  • NickvanderLeek - 2012-12-16 11:00

    Trevor - you're awesome.

  • samuel.slyme - 2012-12-16 11:04

    Formerly Red (some of us have long memories!) Trevor and currently Red Jeremy Cronin, but where is the Little Red Commissar? Hanging too tightly onto Zuma's coattails to let go?

  • immanuell.mathekga - 2012-12-16 11:06

    Dis s most different story of a kind. S 1 of a kind. Atleast u r not money-driven Mr. Manuel. Maybe u stil got principle nd virtue.

  • metja.monare - 2012-12-16 11:06

    Trevor Manuel u should have done that long time ago with the Mbeki group, Anc is now in the hands of morons

  • wayne.munroe.73 - 2012-12-16 11:16

    Well I'm not suprised, Trevor was one of the few talents in the ANC. Association with Zuma must be such a dilema and a compromise of real values, while the public at large are being fleest by Zuma and his self serving inner circle.I'm sure the large majority are going to show there dissaproval of the leadership in the next election. Watch the DA they are going to grow substantially in the next election,at least another Province. I hope Trevor you are there, the only principled party with direction ,vision and growth.

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-16 11:24

      I would really appreciate that as I can understand that he has the coutry's best interest at heart. If it was according to me, he would be our next president so that we can have direction once more.

  • avril.powrie - 2012-12-16 11:17

    Listened to Tutu? or did you walk before you were kicked out?

  • nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-16 11:18

    iyooo...Trevor couldnt have picked up a better time to quit..and saying ''its a matter of principle''..that really cripples the giant no matter how strong the giant.''..could this be the beginning of the end?esp when all began in magaung and now all will end in magaung?

  • Bingo - 2012-12-16 11:18

    An honorable man that gave of his best for our fair country. Respect

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-12-16 11:26

    Whooau Mangaung!!!Pls come

  • modise.mangoagape - 2012-12-16 11:29

    Winners knows when 2 quit...real men dnt follow mediocrity......When JZ came in2 power TM whu was a financial stalward ws moved/demoted 2 a planning position...which manifested In2 nothing thus ultimately reducing him to a spectator minister,advancing JZ and his corrupt allies to destroy ANC turning Parliament in2 mediocrity,Trevor cudnt stand helplessly for the second term of insults 2 his integrity...dnt worry Trevor the voice of the intellectuals we'll b heard cum 2014 National Election if ANC delegates cnt bring change in Mangaung majority of sober SA citizens will bring change on ballot paper....this afflictions are temporal...

      fulufheloprogiga.mukhodobwane - 2012-12-16 12:02

      Well said, i wish your Gospel could reach SA as a whole come 2014:

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-12-18 21:37

      Please, please vote them out.. I don't think I could stand having Zuma up there dancing till 2019!

  • CHRISTOS52 - 2012-12-16 11:31

    Trevor is one the son of the soil , a true african .

      mshiniboys - 2012-12-16 12:05

      You can say that again.

  • Jabu Maleka - 2012-12-16 11:33

    what a nobel man and a potential presidential candidate, this marks a grate lose for the ANC

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-12-16 11:36

    A huge loss to the country and in one fell swoop has dropped the average IQ of the ruling party by 50 points!!!

  • Strikeback - 2012-12-16 11:36

    Not easy to be the intelligent one when the idiot is in charge!

  • thabo.swafo - 2012-12-16 11:40

    He leaves us with so many questions,He must share with us,especialy when he says that now is the time for young people to take over the leadership responsibility of the ANC.Trevor Manuel is the mentor man with the implicable credentials to lead ANC.I smell a rat.

  • lmnaidoo - 2012-12-16 11:40

    Wonder when Pravin will see the light ?

  • andre.kotze.7 - 2012-12-16 11:54

    the country will miss his input! He should take much of the credit for the 'relative ease' with which South Africa as a country handled the 2008 sub-prime crash and the rest of the world financial crash.

  • dehlia.fredericks - 2012-12-16 12:02

    i was worried about u then, nw im relieved! thank you, u making many coloured people proud! wishing u all the best with u future plan!

  • musa.baloyi.16 - 2012-12-16 12:04

    He has made a good decision he cant stand watching the country being taken down by stupits who are abusing power and bringing the economy down day by day

  • flysouth - 2012-12-16 12:08

    He has been sidelined ever since Zuma hijacked the Presidency. I am surprised that he has not quit before now. In fact of course he did resign after Zuma's palace coup, but was persuaded to stay on in the interests of the currency.

  • - 2012-12-16 12:13

    Its a very sad day for SA I always loved Trevor Manuel, he is very intelligent, wish him to be president

  • lazarus.masilela - 2012-12-16 12:17

    Good.Honestly, the fact that nobodies with little or no education run this country and earn more than educationists is an insult to our democracy. We need educated people and for government to stop NkandlaZumavile and invest that money in training capable leaders and school leavers.

  • Prince Kgwale - 2012-12-16 12:25

    I believe everybody can now see that ANC has lost it's capacity and values. Let's stand up and clap hands for Mr Manuel!!! Mr Gordon,Mr Motlanthe,Mr Motswaledi, Mrs Pandor and Mr Moloto follow Mr Manuel please and DA is a home for u guys!

      solo.mathe.5 - 2012-12-16 18:34

      No its not... I don't agree with the current ANC but the DA is not an option...

  • ndumiso.gagayi - 2012-12-16 12:29

    ANC lost Mbeki in Polokwane now they have lost Trevor and Kgalema is next. its clear that only idiots are welcomed in this party.

  • jman.maluleke - 2012-12-16 12:36

    Good decision Trevor, keep a distance from corrupt people because if you continue associating yourself with these corrupt guys you too appears to be corrupt, birds of same feather fly together. Clever décision and never regret your move cos its a good move.

  • khumo.lebone - 2012-12-16 12:36

    That's a sad day in South African politics. As I said in my previous blog, this man makes sense and ANC don't like people who make sense. Its as he puts it that the loudest are the ones who get heard.

  • sunnyboyn - 2012-12-16 12:38

    All went and never made it.Count them!!

  • Ðavid - 2012-12-16 12:41

    I swear I just saw Manuel and Zille walking into Mazibuko's house, bothing carrying cooler bags and bags of Charka!

      douglas.reid.921 - 2012-12-16 13:17

      In your dreams but in reality it would be a good move if any decent ANC members left joined the DA.

  • mnmwale - 2012-12-16 12:44

    i salute you Trevor Manuel. You are indeed a wise and principled man.

  • julio.sanfona - 2012-12-16 12:46

    I've been wondering what a man of principles like you was still doing with that bunch of retards. It's a pity that the few people with some credibility don't see a future with the ANC because of all the cadres vying for position to pilfer the coffers.

  • derk.woldendorp - 2012-12-16 12:49

    Trevor take Showerhead with you

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-12-16 12:56

    Rats always leave a sinking ship.

  • siyabonga.tyhilana - 2012-12-16 12:59

    It is indeed shocking news on the eve of its 53rd conference but we have seen this long time ago that the ruling party has deviated from its founding principles the fact that Mr Manuel quit from the leadership confirm the outcry that they are in a game of self enrichment and the parliament is such a disgrace. But I personally would support Mr Manuel to be a mentor because of his intellectual.