March will test Malema support - analysts

2011-10-26 22:30

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League's mass action this week could test the support base of its leader Julius Malema, analysts said on Wednesday.

Malema has denied the "economic freedom youth mass action" march from Johannesburg to Pretoria was meant to undermine the African National Congress, but not everyone agrees.

"What we have in this situation is someone like [Tokyo] Sexwale testing his support for next year," said political analyst Steven Friedman.

"If it [support for Malema] all goes wrong, he can very easily distance himself from it, and he won't get identified. But if it goes right, it will help him."

Sexwale has testified in Malema's defence at an ANC disciplinary hearing where Malema and other ANC Youth League leaders face charges of bringing the ruling party into disrepute.

Aubrey Matshiqi, political analyst at the Centre for Policy Studies, said he would not go as far as to say that this was a make-or-break week for Malema.

However, he said he did not doubt that the ANCYL marches was motivated by a multiplicity of political motivations.

Malema had taken his battle against the ruling party's leadership outside of the ANC, which could have implications on his strategy, said Matshiqi.

Political issues were being turned into national issues.

"The fact that the SACP [SA Communist Party] have called on people to boycott the marches has also turned it into a contest between the ANCYL and the SACP, and Blade Nzimande and Julius Malema," said Matshiqi.

"The size of the march will determine who has the most support, Nzimande or Malema."

Last week, Nzimande urged members of the ANCYL not to participate saying that the protest was being used to undermine the authority of the ANC and government.

"Do not allow yourselves to be used by people with agendas that are not in your interest," he said.

Malema has insisted that the ANC did not see the march as an attack on its top brass.

"The leadership doesn't see it like that and they say that nothing is wrong with the march, as long as it is successful and peaceful," he told reporters in Johannesburg this week.

The ANC said on Wednesday it supported the rights of the ANCYL to march for economic freedom.

Secretary general Gwede Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg the march was not against the ANC government and it was not linking it to the party's 2012 elective conference.

Ebrahim Fakir, another political analyst, said he felt that Malema's political motivations were a side issue.

"This [the marches] being a test of support is probably true but what is the substance of the issues the ANC Youth League are talking about," he said.

"This may well be a test... in view of the succession battle but the real test is the test of the appetite of society and especially the wealthy, influential and the socially powerful sectors of society and what their appetite is for serious thinking and rethinking about an inclusive economy and a more transformed economy," said Fakir.

He said the ANCYL were standing for the right thing, but he did not think the nationalisation of mines and land expropriation without compensation would necessarily work.

Fakir said the youth league had missed the mark because there was no such thing as "economic freedom".

"You can't wake up tomorrow and decide you want a flat in Camps Bay [affluent area in Cape Town]... that is economic freedom and no one has that," said Fakir.

"We talking about economic empowerment... The issues are real and substantial and we need to look at it as that," he said.

"Yes, 2012 is the only game in town politically but if we just reduce everything to 2012 we are going to lose the real debate."

Support for the mass action has been divided.

The National Youth Development Agency, the Congress of SA Trade Unions, the SA Municipal Workers' Union, the SA Students' Congress, Congress of the People Youth Movement and National Union of Metalworkers of SA were supporting the ANCYL's march.

Not supporting the action, was lobby group AfriForum, the Young Communist League, the SA Communist Party and the Communication Workers Union.

  • Madulla - 2011-10-26 23:07

    When a hippopotamus goes up against an elephant, the elephant ALWAYS wins!! Fatboy is unable to grasp this reality.

      Tim - 2011-10-26 23:19

      JuJu is in over his head for sure,

      Vusi - 2011-10-26 23:27

      @Tim. I think the link you posted is linking up to the wrong article. There must be something wrong with the Rhodes website.

      Grant - 2011-10-27 01:57

      @Tim. The link has nothing to do with rh march or Malema. Interesting though.

      craigtjames - 2011-10-27 06:10

      There is a saying, two dogs (in this case it appears to be more) are fighting over a bone, and whilst doing that, a third comes and walks away with it. Carry on fighting amidst yourselves ANC (see article "SA in trouble, Vavi warns" Malema is building the youth up against the mother body, and watch out for the outside horse to overtake them.

      Adre - 2011-10-27 06:31

      A dear friend has send me this request and I call on everyone to support these days of prayer to counter act the barbarians: A Call to prayer concerning the ANCYL.The purpose of the march is for “the economic liberation of South Africa.” In the promotion of this march they language that will cause much harm to the nation. According to their press releases, they want their demands met, irrespective what it may cost. Tension is building between the ANC and the ANCYL. The ANCYL is making strong and radical statements. Some resent events prove that they can do much damage. They demand more and more and their support is growing, also on an emotional level. This march poses a serious threat for everybody in the country, both political and in terms of economic stability. This is a serious call to prayer to Christians to pray about this situation. We must have no illusion about the danger of this situation. We encourage Christians all over the nation to have prayer meetings on Wednesday 26th and for ongoing prayer on 27-28 October. We encourage you to fast at least one day from now till 28 October. (We invite people in Pretoria for a time of prayer on Wednesday evening from 18h00 to a time of prayer at the amphitheater at the Union Buildings.)

      Adre - 2011-10-27 06:33

      1. We need to pray that every form of conspiracy or evil covenants that will harm the people in our nation, will be exposed and be nullified. Pray that everything that is not born of God will come to nothing. 2. Secondly we must pray that God will confuse the plans and bring disunity amongst people with evil intent - that they will not be able to work in unity and that God will confuse them. Confuse them, Lord, and frustrate their plans (confuse their speech) for I see violence and conflict in the city. Ps.55:10 3. Thirdly we must pray that God will make the weapons of evil and violent people useless in their hands. (Ps.58:7) 4. Fourthly we need to ask that God will destroy every form, plan and/or conspiracy that will cause violence, anarchy, destruction, chaos, bloodshed and racial violence. 5. Prov.18:21 says: The power of life and death is in the tongue. Pray that God will break the power of every negative and harmful word. 6. Read and pray 1 Per.2:13-17 7. We need to resist the devil that wants to steal, kill and destroy. (James 4:7-9; Joh.10:10)

      Jaba - 2011-10-27 08:07

      May it Hail today in Sandton… same hail as we had in 1982. I don’t mind fixing my roof - if it’s for a good cause. The culture of “give me - give me” created after the birth of our democracy is the largest threat to South Africa future. There will be no job creation with all this red tape on our economy nonetheless this attack on it by Malema.

      JuditVictor - 2011-10-27 09:32

      Sorry to repeat this question. Can someone very clever please tell me what it is that make people think that when they're poor and they have baby after baby they completely presume that the white man must pay for those children for the rest of their llives? I'm asking, because before I had babies, we made sure that we could afford at least an educational trust for each and that we will be able to afford their schooling fees in a very few 6 years' time. Why is the person with 1 child (which was carefully planned for) responsible for the hungry person's 5 children. Who whispers this into uneducated ears? Yes I do know educated brilliant black people. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about Julius' out of work youths. One man said this morn he has a degree in international relations. Get your clever people to study maths and science. Just that and one language of their choice. I promise you the French don't care! Make the world want them. In this way they'll look after their poverty stricken parents and things will get better. Let them study the stuff the world needs. AND please, get their ears away from Julius' erroneous preaching.

  • boatmedic - 2011-10-26 23:08

    so if they don't work they don't get paid? What if businesses just closed for two days and not pay any of their employees... Now that is how you get economic "freedom" do nothing, get nothing! Most of us are working like dogs to cover the unemployed, but the unemployed, in stead of creating jobs, rather go on an excuse to drink and party the whole weekend away....

      boatmedic - 2011-10-26 23:14

      and please, before the racial slur starts. I am referring to ANY working man/woman out there. From the businessman to the news vendor!!! I have moved on. 17 years already.

      Wouter - 2011-10-27 07:41

      So true...The handouts must stop but then the ANC woun't get the vote. 80c of every Rand is going to the Gov for hand-outs. You only get 20c for every Rand worked for..what a f-up

  • Vusi - 2011-10-26 23:10

    This is starting to sound like good news because this just shows us that the once united front of all these factions are now crumbling and the ANC is slowly falling apart at the seams. For far too long the ANC has been trying to be everything to everybody and now the whole house is falling apart. Good News. Fight some more! While they compete for dominance hopefully the DA will emerge as a much stronger force with the next election.

      boatmedic - 2011-10-26 23:11

      Vusi for President!!! As you said. Good news...

      Vusi - 2011-10-26 23:15

      hahahaha Boatmedic. They will necklace me with a BMW 760 tyre before I am allowed near parliament!

      Stoffel - 2011-10-27 07:17

      @ammpike. Was throwing a racist comment really the best you could do?

      Sharmay - 2011-10-27 07:31

      ammpike - not all black folk fit into 1 box. You have the right to your own opinion but don't criticize people for theirs.

      Oboa - 2011-10-27 07:39

      ammpike, Go buy some Dubbin and polish that head of yours.

      Merven - 2011-10-27 07:55

      ammpike, work on your self esteem, then you won't feel like a victim.

      Jaba - 2011-10-27 08:24

      Sad very sad. The problem in this world is that all the "real" politicians go into other industries... and what we are left with is corrupt criminals in parliament most of the time. Imagine a South Africa headed by a real patriotic - a person like Vusi for example - a person that has the best interests of the country at hand and not the back pocket... That is a South Africa with zero unemployment rate my friends (with all our mineral wealth – all we need is real freedom and no more hate.) unfortunately, Malema (Hitler) is now gaining momentum on the mistakes our politicians have made over the years. Hitler initiated the Jews to be the scapegoats of Germany in the 1930's (economic collapse); today Malema is using the same philosophy, making whites the scapegoats of the world-wide economic recession everyone is facing. If Hitler could brainwash an educated and cultural populace like the Germans - imagine what Malema could do with the uneducated. Their 'hate' is more dangerous than we can even comprehend.

      Vusi - 2011-10-27 09:51

      @ammpike. I read some of the postings on your Facebook wall and I see you are one of the marchers. That is good that you are prepared to march for what you believe in as long as your intentions are pure. I hope you are not just another sheep flocking behind the herd because the ulterior motives of this march is somewhat suspect. This would then mean you are also on the nationalisation bandwagon, which in return doesn't say much of your knowledge about history and ultimately makes you one of the dreamers that think you should get a free ride in life. Go sit in the shade of a tree on Beyers Naude and watch your fellow marchers and then you look at them objectively and ask yourself if this is what you want for your kids. Will your kids 20 years from now still be marching because they are still in a shack because your "leader" is shopping in his Airbus 383 for Hugo Boss suits in Hong Kong and the rest of us are starving. Go join another more intelligent march for the sake of your kids.

      Lerato - 2011-10-27 11:09

      @ ammpike, its people like you who are a disgrace to decent black people like me. I am a 26 year old BLACK FEMALE, who has worked her butt off to be where i am. I have 12 hour shifts as a waitress in restaurants, worked in call centres, paid my own tuition fees basically worked my way up. I have earned my living without your give me, give me mentality. I now own my company, drive anMerc CLS 500 as well as a BMW Z4 and live in an expensive suburb. Its people like you who see me and think oh she must be affiliated with the ANC but alas I am not. I have never applied for a tender, i just work very hard (I bet its something that you are not accustomed to since all you want are handouts). You complain about unemployment but there is a shortage of nurses and teachers, enroll for that. Lol, 95% of restaurant employees are Zimbabweans and you know why??? Because SA youths are busy staging a march, instead of looking for a job. Its so pathetic....oh by the way, its possible to make it without handouts. MOVE ON!!!

  • Nikki Bodenstein - 2011-10-26 23:34

    Go Vusi! I wish Malema would just go away already, maybe have a little "accident" I'm so tired of hearing his racist comments and ridiculous ideas for SA which would only ruin this beautiful country.

      Vusi - 2011-10-26 23:53

      Hi Nikki. How are you tonight? Don't worry, our Mafia will soon start taking out each other. Power hungry Dogs that they are. The most ridiculous of all of this Tokyo. He has had 17 years of absolute luxury living in Sandton, kids in a very posh school, wife driving a very expensive 4x4, and now he is backing Malema on the plight for the poor????

  • Reshan - 2011-10-26 23:38

    Look mummy a p****** contest, I guess the man with the biggest b**** is going to win, pity none have the brains to match...

  • mary.kircher - 2011-10-27 00:44

    we live in interesting times ...don't we ?

      Alan - 2011-10-27 08:13

      More like very sad times, when the Govt. is only concerned with power and self enrichment, and are powerless to to make a stand against utter EVIL.

  • Vusi - 2011-10-27 01:25

    I wonder if any of these political players involved in this contest for power realise what we the voters are thinking when we watch this circus? Every person out there watching the news, reading News24 or a newspaper are thinking this is definitely not the place any more to cast a vote because you no longer know what the ANC stands for. But, I am now starting to have a lot more hope for this country. This factional fighting could well be our saving grace moving forward. As time passes now, the DA just seems a so much more stable home and a lot safer than putting your future in the hands of people with strange agendas. For me, Tokyo has finally hammered home the ill intentions of our leaders. I can't believe that the man could be this dumb. He had the whole world offered to him on a silver platter and what possibly could he want more, if it isn't corrupt power? How could he say a month ago to the media that this country can no longer sustain the RDP housing program and a few days later announces his support for Malema and the poor????????? President Zuma has become a side act in his own circus. Does he and his deputy have the balls to take control of this derailing train? I think not. They don't know what to do with this mess. Malema, as much as I dislike him, has shown us how weak the leadership in this country really is.

      Bryan - 2011-10-27 09:02

      @Vusi, I must commend you on the comments you write! Unlike a large section of the black youth, you certainly seem to have a wise head on what look to be young shoulders. Unfortunately, as I am sure you are aware, a large part of the population of this beautiful land still live within the 'sheep' mentality. To follow blindly because they cannot figure out for themselves which way is best..It is a sad reality which I hope.. One day will change. I have had the pleasure of interacting with many young people like yourself who have foresight and dreams of a better life for all, I just wish there were more like you. Hopefully they will make themselves known and lead from the front. Big up to you Vusi..!!!

      Tania - 2011-10-27 10:50

      Vusi, I've just read your piece on your FB page re the new "apartheid". You are indeed a very wise boy - your parents must be very proud of you - best of luck with your future.

      Derek - 2011-10-27 11:32

      Some insightfull comments Vusi. The good news is that the DA is becoming more and more the sensible multi-racial progressive party our country needs and who will make a difference for all especially the poor! More and more South Africans of all races and cultures are joining the DA as the one truly multi-racial, non-corrupt, workable option.Visit HZ's facebook to see the type of supporters the DA is attracting!

      boatmedic - 2011-10-27 23:29

      Vusi!! Saw your write up on your FB page. Dude. You seriously have it going for you. As a white man, living and working in SA, I APPLAUD YOU!! Well done man. I foresee a great future for you!!

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  • Grant - 2011-10-27 02:39

    As I posted yesterday, I don't see how the march be a success. The 5000 marchers that Malema expects will have to walk 100km in the heat in one day. what about water, food and toilets? Anywhere near that number will completly close the M1. I think what will happen is that far fewer than the expected number will just march to the chamber of mines or the JSE and toyi toyi for the rest of the day. (I always say a bad days toyi toying beats a good at work). These marchers : If they are students they should be studying. If they are workers they should be at work. If they are unemployed they should be looking for work. It would be nice to know what the marchers believe to be 'economic freedom' which is what they are marching for. My bet most think it means the countries wealth will handed out to them, they won't have to work and they will live like Juju.

      Vusi - 2011-10-27 03:41

      Spot on Grant, except the statement about the students. Most of the students on this campus have more important issues to tend to at this time and if he has supporters here, it would be the ones that have dropped out sometime during the year. Lots of them though. But as for the rest you are absolutely right. Gullible is what his followers are. It is just so tempting to rather believe all will just magically happen for you, I mean wealth, without hard work. Those are the "Lotto Players" as we call them here. They spend their week from Saturday to the next Saturday dreaming what car they will buy with their Lotto winnings. The problem is the media make as if his few followers make up all of the black population, when in fact many many South Africans have moved passed these empty promises. The cake has flopped, but in oblivion some hope with different icing it will eventually arrive at the party for all to eat.

  • Maximus Odinidus - 2011-10-27 04:20

    The ancyl should be charged for any disruptions that occur. I.e. loss of business, closing of roads etc. if one wants to close a street to shoot a movie you must pay.

  • Atholl - 2011-10-27 06:17

    Useful march, Useful youth, Useful for: ' someone like [Tokyo] Sexwale testing his support for next year ' Anything ... Absolutely anything for Power, Control and Money. ' even sell your soul to the devil ' M Jackson - from the song 'Money'

  • Robert - 2011-10-27 06:36

    A philosophy lesson given by an professor - I can't remember verbatim - What is communism the question was. The answers where quite simple money for all. So the Prof then said the following. Today we are going to write a test. The ones that have not learned and the ones that have does not matter. We are going to average the score does not matter how smart you are or unprepared. They wrote the test. The ones that worked hard and normally get 90% where averaged down to 60%. The next day the Prof said we are going to write a test again and again we are going to apply communist practises. The ones that did not learn or worked where extremely happy for they have never reached a score of 60% due to the ones that have, so more the reason not to learn and work any harder. The next test revealed and average of 50% average and all the non hard workers where happy but the hard workers felt done in because only a few of them are carrying the lot. Once the 3rd test revealed a 40% average (Still in acceptance by the masses) the hard working few protested and rejected the plan of Communism. It did not favour the ones that work hard. It is a simple answer. To work hard and receive the reward is not bad.

  • TheRock - 2011-10-27 06:42

    March will test how many stupid people there are in South Africa...people that should be extinct with the dinasoaurs. Not sure what purpose someone as dumb as a Malema supporter has on this planet in this day and age.

  • pierre.hough1 - 2011-10-27 06:52

    I'm not so sure about all the tests you refer to. Ons test however that I know Malema will be facing is this: "Will he walk the whole way with his comrades"? Here's another: "Will he get blisters?" Yet another: "If he does walk, will he get to the nigh vigil destination in time?" Any bets?

  • Ian - 2011-10-27 06:59

    this is all so boring, cant read the news anymore without a fat undeucated retarded thieving corrupt moron in it, what an a hole

  • Andre - 2011-10-27 07:01

    @Adre. So what makes you think prayer will work? Can you give me one verifiable instance where prayer actually worked for anything? Its unbelievable that this kind of superstition is still so rife in this day and age....

      Richard - 2011-10-27 07:57

      Out of everything said in the comments section this is what stands out to you? If you don't want to pray , then don't , nobody is forcing you. Oh and on the question you asked , can you give me proof that prayer never worked for anyone? You see the argument works both ways. Your probably one of those people that only looks at one side of a coin and never even tries to look at what the facts are on the other side , for you it's just easier to believe in nothing , or only yourself. Lets be honest. Your not even 100% sure if you really believe that all of this is only "superstition" as you call it. Just saying , for a bunch of other people your the "superstitios" one.

      Albert - 2011-10-27 07:57

      Your health and excistance

      Andre - 2011-10-27 08:27

      @Richard. Yes, this stands out for me. people protesting for "economic freedom" or whatever, no matter how ridiculous, is understandable. Politicians furthering their causes using ignorant masses happen all the time. This is not surprising. Idiotic superstition of Adre's variety, on the other hand, is more surprising. Why should I have to prove that prayer DOESN'T work? You christians make the claim, you should provide the proof. Should I try and prove that fairies DONT live at the bottom of my garden just because some idiot claims that they do? Should you? Robert Heinlein, an American author, puts it very nicely: "Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn’t there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything."

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-10-27 10:52

      I was thinking the same.

  • Malcolm - 2011-10-27 07:02

    Craigtjames. In this case we are not talking about dogs. We are talking about rabid mongrels and rabid puppy mongrels.

  • Malcolm - 2011-10-27 07:09

    The people who are really serious about their future, economic empowerment, and the economy of South Africa, will all be working tommorrow. Those who want free Kentucky and tee shirts, have absolutely no concept of reality & will all be marching in the rain, while Malema looks on from the warmth and security of a 5 star hotel.

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      Alan - 2011-10-27 08:04

      Disagree - we need to adopt a mentality of 'working' for something, instead of thinking everything can come from handouts. The Goose that laid the golden eggs has already been devoured by the Govt. Buying 'Local" products at highly inflated prices (becuase of our low productivity) has a worse effect on the economy. Buy 'local' where the products are competetive and of good quality only. Whaahaa - we are even importing Chinese Showerheads!

  • Alan - 2011-10-27 07:54

    Well, as pointed out on Radio Highveld this morning, the planning and time allocated for the routes by the ANCYL planner, highlights the 'intelligence' of this particular group. Clearly all woodworking graduates.

  • Zifnab - 2011-10-27 07:54

    Some thunderstorms predicted for today. Maybe we can give Juju-baby a high metal platform to rant and rave from. Or how about a big shiny metal helmet to go with his new militant look. I would love to see Juju ride the lightning on e-tv tonight.

  • Kgomotso - 2011-10-27 08:26

    It is about time that someone with balls take on the ANC fat cats.

      Alan - 2011-10-27 08:33

      If you mean the Ancyl .... they are one and the same, led by FATBOY himself.

      Cheryl - 2011-10-27 11:52

      Helen and Lindiwe both have a huge set of balls......

  • TBEEE - 2011-10-27 09:09

    So most of these comments here say nothing about the economic empowerment the march is supposedley about. Note economic empowerment knows no colour. Its a pity Malema is the 1 who had gutts to raise the debate and we all don't take him seriously. I just wish some1 else raised this debate and put it on the national agenda

  • Neil - 2011-10-27 09:35

    I would like to see the fatboy march all the way from JHB to PTA. How strong the dedicacation to cause is ?

  • TSR01 - 2011-10-27 09:42

    "You can't wake up tomorrow and decide you want a flat in Camps Bay [affluent area in Cape Town]... that is economic freedom and no one has that," said Fakir. - tripe like this is why they will never get anywhere. If I wake up and want a flat in Camps Bay, for free, without having worked for it, without paying for it, without considering waiting lists, without signing the contractually binding lease, etc. then obviously I won't get it - nobody will. Its not economic freedom they lack, its common sense; and that should be the focus of these so-called protest marches. "We are clueless because we burned our schools and learning material, now we don't have common sense (cents), but we still like Rands so, we want, we want, give to me, give to me!"

  • kgatit - 2011-10-27 10:11

    In spirit, I am with all those matching today for economic freedom. Are you FREE or are you DOM. Stop being DOM to think this is Malema's match, it's not, these economic freedom matches are happening all over the world. ANCYL has only organised one in South Africa and that's that...I quote again; "If u're not careful,the newspapers will have u hating the ppl who are being oppressed,nd loving the ppl who are doing the oppressing." - Malcom X

  • njaycksen - 2011-10-27 10:24

    which support are you talkin about? the man is probably payin ppl to pose as his supporters in this so-caled econonic freedom march. jail malema

  • Cheryl - 2011-10-27 10:53

    Hint....if u r going to plan a mass march in the name of some cause, first have the intelligence to name your cause and understand your cause corrcetly. The fact that the ANCYL leadership dont even know what 'economic freedom' means , means that perahsp they are not genuine in this and it is a smokescreen for something else...more power for the ANCYL leadership to enjoy 'TENDER FREEDOM' for themselves (ie not the people perhaps??)

  • Hennie - 2011-10-27 11:20

    The second sign that the ANC's days are numbered?

  • yummyhamster - 2011-10-27 11:54

    Ok i am going to get flamed for this one but i cant resist... all together now... " This is my rifle this is my gun , Give me one bullet and M*****'s head " . VUSI,,, way to go with your head on right and LERATO ... we need more people like you in this country. We are far enough into democracy to be able to look past the racial barriers and look at what is wrong in this country and WORK TOGETHER to solve the problem. Not to say .. ooo ooo you have and i want it NOW.. for free...

      yummyhamster - 2011-10-27 11:59

      oh and to add on to it.. maybe the white people need to start their freedom struggle now due to our oppression and discrimination against us in the work place with AA etc. We need our freedom songs as well :P

      Abram - 2011-10-27 15:19

      this country belongs to all who live here but white people things they are the greate master of this country.we just want to share the wealth of this country.white people have rule this country for over 40yrs only minority(whites) were benefiting from apartheid,now is our turn or they must swim to America Cape town is not far because back Zim or Mozambique they failed,this is the end of their road.otherwise they must jumb.blacks must rule this country more than 200 yrs,or more there for they can think of ruling discussion.

  • Musa - 2011-10-27 12:09

    Some people are dreaming here. We may have different opinions at the moment, but it does not mean we will sleep and give the Devil's Alliance a chance to steal power. We can't liberate a country and give it back to the oppressors. We won't commit such a mistake. The DA can only win the elections if they are conducted on this site (you know who dominates this site). Our people don't have the luxury of computers and internet, so they can't read this white propaganda. Wena Vusi mfana wami, you have an identity crisis. You have been brain-washed by you white masters such that even our ancestors have desserted you. Stop being counter-revolutionary by colluding with the anti-Blacks.

      yummyhamster - 2011-10-27 12:24

      See Musa i am not a racist . In fact i am dating an Indian girl. Oh wait i forgot the indians are the new target for JU JU... Musa you are deluded.Instead of your government that you support so strongly actually doing what they are suppose to they are stealing the money that is meant to go towards service delivery, job creation , health care, economic development .... do i really need to go on ? Well those people who do not have the luxury of computers and internet do not need it to use commen sense to see what is really going on. But they follow Arrogant and idiotic leaders like Malema off a cliff. We whites are fighting to keep this countries head above water while people like you are sinking it faster than the titanic.

  • Musa - 2011-10-27 13:35

    Yummyhaster (what ever): That's the exact problem I have with whites. For people like you, blacks are either incompetent or corrupt. If people are involved in corrupt activities they do that as individuals, not representing the ANC or government. There are institutions in place to deal with corruption. I am also opposed to corruption as a person, but I take offence when people like you make a general statement that ANC people are corrupt. Individuals may be corrupt, but not the organisation as such. I have never seen any thing in the ANC constitution which says members must be corrupt. I can't tolerate these white tendencies of generalising when speaking about blacks.

      yummyhamster - 2011-10-27 16:14

      excuse me MR not so smart.i never said i see all black people as incompetent and corrupt. i actually know some that i have allot of respect for due to their honesty and and skill and knowledge in their work. so before you try to start a totally in valid argument please get your facts right as to whom you are making your accusations about. Secondly i am aware of allot more corruption and regularities that is going on in the ANC as in regard to the running of this country and irregularities and blatant theft of taxpayers money than makes the news. Musa go do your home work before you take me on as you know very little about what is going on.

  • Shonaphy - 2011-10-27 15:48

    y does it always have 2 come 2 black n white mara heh? 1.does it mean if u r black n support ANC u r stupid? 2.does it mean if u r black n does not support the ANC or malema u r a traitor? 3.does it mean if u went 2 match with juju 2day u r stupid? mxm wat im saying is cant ppl have their believes/opinion without being labelled? the majority of ppl who went 2 join juju r probably nt working and the r looking 4 a way out, i mean its heart 2 think straight whn u suffer. its ok 4 us 2 pass on judgement while sitting in an airconditioning office, do i like juju? absolutly not. but this ppl r suffering and juju is reaching out 2 them,(no matter hw fake n stupid it might sound 2 some of us) to those ppl tht is their only way out of poverty. i dont like juju n im still black i love ANC n i can tell u im not stupid i knw tht lots of whites still think tht they r the only intelligent race in the universe if they c a succesful black somebody he/she is corrupt. please get over urselves i knw tht if u agree with every stupid thing they say to them u r clever. haa please open ur eyes man i also knw tht i dont have 2 agree with every stupid thing a black person is saying to proof that im black or tht i dont bow down 2 the "master" as they say.

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