March won't save Malema, analysts say

2011-11-04 22:25

Johannesburg - The fact that ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema is able to draw crowds will not influence the verdict in his disciplinary hearing, analysts said on Friday.

"The charges were not brought before the disciplinary committee with his support base in mind at all," said political analyst Zwelethu Jolobe.

"It was because of a series of public statements and actions that were in contradiction of the ANC's constitution, regardless of the amount of support he has."

Jolobe said there was no doubt about Malema's ability to draw crowds but this would not be a crucial factor.

The only thing that could sway the verdict would be Malema's arguments during the hearing, Jolobe said.

Another political analyst, Prince Mashele, agreed, saying the ANCYL's "economic freedom" march last week would have little impact on the hearing.

The disciplinary committee would have seen the march as an intimidatory tactic and would want to be seen as "unfearful".

A third analyst, Aubrey Matshiqi said: "Remember that the prosecutors are lawyers so it is unlikely that they will be influenced by political events.

"If it [the march] was an intimidatory tactic directed at the disciplinary committee it is unlikely to work."

Malema was charged by the ANC in August for violating the party's constitution, including bringing the party into disrepute.

The charges relate to comments Malema made that the league would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and help bring about regime change.

The ANC reacted angrily to the comments publicly rebuking the youth league.

Charged with Malema are ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa, and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Mosenogi.

Last week, the ANCYL staged a two-day economic freedom march from Johannesburg to Pretoria, a day after testimony in Malema's disciplinary hearing was concluded.

Over the two days, the marchers handed over memorandums to the Chamber of Mines in the Johannesburg CBD, the Johannesburg Stock Exchange in Sandton, and to government at the Union Buildings.

The demands centred on the economy, poverty, and high youth unemployment.

Estimates of how many people joined the two-day march that began in the Johannesburg CBD on Thursday ranged from 2 000 to 10 000, but the youth league said 25 000 people participated.

Closing arguments in Malema's disciplinary hearing have been rescheduled for Sunday.

Disciplinary committee chairperson Derek Hanekom said the verdict would be announced by the end of next week.

  • Kala - 2011-11-04 22:45

    I seriously doubt that there were 25 000 people at the march. Another fine example of the standard of education amongst the youth. They can't even count properly

      Servaas - 2011-11-04 23:03

      Yes Kala, counting is a difficult part of maths 101 hey?

      Vusi - 2011-11-04 23:14

      Yes Kala, like they "overestimated" their members by 300,000. But sadly, as we have seen with so many other issues, the ANC just simply can't deal with anything they investigate. Their investigations or disciplinary hearings all come to nothing in the end. This must be the most corrupt and irresponsible government anywhere on the planet at the moment. They make governance look like a school counsel meeting. It is the most unprofessional bunch of politicians in the world. I am ashamed of them. To make matters worse, they actually sit at the UN deciding on the fate of other nations. Sick! We are the laughing stock of the world. Who marches to the JSE and shouts at the world you are going to nationalise the country? How much brains must you have to do a stupid thing like that????? Our biggest problem however is the fact that none of them have any training or have been educated in matters financial. If they can't even adhere to budgets, how are we going to keep this country solvent?

      Eidel - 2011-11-05 07:02

      This is how Malema count. At the start there was 1000 follower. First stop it has grown to 2000. He then adds the two together, 1000+2000=3000 follower. At his second stop the follower grown to 6000. He then tallies it up 1000+2000+3000+6000=12000 follower. Then his last stop at the Union building there were 10000 followers. He then tallies it up 1000+2000+3000+6000+12000+10000=34000. Give the man credit he can do Math’s.

  • Servaas - 2011-11-04 22:46

    Whoopy Malema.. The funniest part of your march is your brainless supporters knowing very well they are marching to Pretoria from JHB and not thinking EISH, I need to take water with, nope, these idiots just realize that the moment they half dead and dehydrated.. Wow, and then KFC came to the rescue with a streetwise 2? You should have gotten SAB to sponsor some black label quarts seeing that it is the drink of choice combined with a streetwise 2, and if you think I am joking, check payday.. The amount of clowns "parking" on the pavement with their streetwise 2 and their good ol' black label 750ml. Eish, this is the life. And tomorrow we will march to PTA AGAIN!!

      Huey - 2011-11-05 06:16


      Heibrin - 2011-11-05 13:17

      @Huey: Have you actually watched the show your nomicker and pic is based on? The character is vehemently opposed to black people exploiting other blacks.... exactly what Malema and co. are doing. I wonder who is the moron?

  • Gammat - 2011-11-04 23:05

    I suppose Malema draws crowds the same way a turd draws flies.

      Servaas - 2011-11-04 23:09

      Well with the amount of sh*t he talks a day I'm not surprised. Typical example of a serious case of "verbal diarrhea" to say the least.

      GAMMAT - 2011-11-04 23:11

      You got my drift...

  • TrueBlue - 2011-11-04 23:06

    The majority of those walkers were bused in for free. So, it was just like a paid vacation for them.

  • Xavier7034 - 2011-11-04 23:24

    There is an interesting, and well known story in the history of the Xhosa nation: "As if seeing the light for the first time, Sarili pointed at Nongqawuse and said "The reason we are broken today is on account of this girl!" But she was not to blame. Sarili, himself, had succumbed to the fantasies of a charlatan, of Mhalakaza, the dreamer, who wanted to be a "Messenger". Was Mhalakaza a madman, or just an inadequate human being, unable to cope with his life? Perhaps he even believed his own stories. The tragedy was that so too did most of the Xhosa people." Should people learn from the past?

      Roland - 2011-11-05 00:53

      "The Cattle Killings" The Xhosa Millenarian cult belief that killing all of the Xhosa nation's cattle would lead to the eradication of the white man? Ultimately the 'cattle killing' devastated the Xhosa-nations' self sufficiency, opening them up for conquer by those imperialistic British...

  • Kevin - 2011-11-05 05:59

    His march was a failure . if he thinks a couple of thousand followers count then he is a bigger laugh then we thought. He knows he is finished. I do not give a damn about the outcome of this hearing. I want to see the HAWKS driving into Sandhurst. Hee Hee 30 years in Leeuwkop. I think there should be a freedom song about it. Leeeeewkop ,Leeeeewkop ,you are my....

  • Dewdawn - 2011-11-05 06:08

    Consider the consequences to the Luthuli House ruling junta in the event of Malema's defence arguing successfully that he was acting under guidance from the ANCYL movement? The damage to the deployed cadre's sitting on parliamentary benches will be devastating as then proof positive would have been delivered that they are incapable of making laws or administrating them. Will we see a mass redeployment of all the current riders of the Gravy Train? On the other hand, should Luthuli House deliver a guilty as charged verdict, what is in store for the country? Will we see more contrived marches by the poorest of the poor? Wonder just who funded the last march? Seems to me that these funded marches are like an unavoidable cost of ensuring one gets elected?

  • Johann - 2011-11-05 06:11

    Who the f cares...

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 07:05

      It seems that you do not care about quite a lot of things but you, nevertheless, feel the need to post on/about all these things you don't care about just so you could show everyone how much you don't care.

      Thandi - 2011-11-05 12:33

      Johann - you obviously care a lot, otherwise you wouldn't have read the article, and you would certainly not have taken the time to comment. One of the problems with SA is that we have too many people like Johann who stick their heads in the sand like an ostrich and hope the problems are going to fix themselves. Before you know it, the likes of showerhead, fatboy, the evil one, jap-scrap, and all the other cadres on the ANCorruption gravy train are going to grind this country into the dirt and then all the "who the f... cares" people will be singing a different song - something along the lines "what the f... happened". I care, and I am not prepared to just sit back and hope that everything works out ok.

      Monika - 2011-11-05 12:48

      Thanks, Thandi. I have great respect for you and your success. You are a role model for all young South Africans - of any background. Stay as you are and follow your insights. You give me hope for this country.

  • William - 2011-11-05 06:22


      Anthony - 2011-11-05 08:00

      Yes, South Africa needs people like you.

      Andrew - 2011-11-09 07:33

      ya Vusi to take over the ANCYL, he is just what SA need.

  • ilsdebeer - 2011-11-05 06:26

    He should be wiped out like Gaddafi asap

  • Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 06:54

    The elites in SA have no idea at all what life is like for the other half in the cities and even less of the majority in the rural areas. How could they possibily know when the vast majority do not speak any indigenous language, never listen to indeginous radio/tv and only interact with them in a master and servant relationship. If they would just walk in their shoes for a short while they might just understand that Malema speaks for a lot of people. This is so only because the current situation is not getting better, its getting worse - with the proceeds of economic activity and growth going to fewer and fewer people. Forcibly silencing Malema or somehow getting rid of him will not work as someone else will just step into his shoes. It is time that the elites showed the same willingness and spirit of co-operation that the downtrodden have shown to them.

      Elaine - 2011-11-05 07:19

      You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.... Abraham Lincoln?

      Marlene - 2011-11-05 07:45

      Which elites r u referring to? R u talking about the elites in government, who have been wasting millions of rands on themselves and poor management? Who think nothing of using government funds for personal gain, fancy cars and clothes, holidays and airfare. This money could have been used for education, upliftment of the poor,eradication of crime and corruption, education in responsibility in only having a child if u can afford to feed and attend to the basic needs of that child. In my opinion, that's why economic growth is reaching less and less people. We r paying more and more tax, but it doesn't help, because the more the government gets, the more they spend on themselves. People keep on having children, but cant afford to feed themselves. Just giving things to the poor wont help either, unless u first teach them what to do with it or how to go about looking after themselves economically in the future. People must still eat everyday, so they will have to work. There wont be continual handouts, as everyone is free to do what they need to do to survive economically. There are poor in every race. Its more evident in the majority of population as there is so much more people in the majority, whose numbers are just growing, despite the fact that there is not enough money or food to go around. @Mthuthuzeli - How would u go about changing things for the better? If u have some good ideas, let me know.

      MagdaKus - 2011-11-05 08:38

      The trouble is times are getting tougher for all of us. Perhaps it may seem someone with a roof over their heads and a car are OK- but so many of us are really struggling to keep that - and to keep the car serviced!

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 08:55

      @Leonard With a mentality like that, your fear is not misplaced. This apartheid of most of the whites who do not want to have anything to do with blacks has not improved. It must. When you see blacks emptying dustbins to eat and other´s having a "nice" time, you cannot always blame that on the lack of skills and education. This is to ignore reality and to turn any blame for the broken system onto its vicitms.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 09:04

      @Marlene The truth is that there should have been a severe apartheid tax imposed from beginning whereby the people who had benefited from unequal development and the precious labour of the people they oppressed paid for equal development. Let's take the analogy of West Germany and East Germany. In a sense there was no real moral obligation of the West Germans and their companies to bring up East Germany and develop it, but the West German taxpayer did pay for East Germany to develop. Now in South Africa there was and there is a moral obligation for the rich (many of whom are white) to pay an emergency tax over many years for the development of the poor and neglected parts of South Africa. All the companies that benefitted from the resources and cheap effective labour of South Africans should have been forced to pay an emergency apartheid tax. Instead they were untouched and the pressure of the international organisations backed by the US and Europe was for South Africa to 'open wide' and to incentivise. And why did the ANC fail to restructure South Africa, as any European nation would have done after such a traumatic and unfair period of history? I'll tell you why. Because they were two busy listening to disaffected whites. And disaffected whites protecting their privilege everywhere in South African and selfish unpatriotic concerned with retaining the commanding heights of the economy. That's why.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 09:14

      Of course, this does not let off the hook the mostly retarded crowd of grown men in the ANC who lie, steal and trick their way to government positions. Such men know very little about economics, or anything for that matter. The ANC ruling elites see governance exclusively in terms of interest, not in terms of service. Their attitude towards their own people is one of contempt.

      quinton.schorr - 2011-11-05 09:21

      @ Elaine - The quotes (numbered 1 - 10) were published in 1942 by William J. H. Boetcker, a Presbyterian minister.

      Gammat - 2011-11-05 11:29

      Mthuthuzeli, this hard tax you mention has been in place for more than a decade. In the form of "Skills levy" paid by companies. Site, paye, VAT to mention a few. It is all to blame on the corruption of the current government, and the lack of intent to uplift the poor from current political leaders, including Malema. A true leader exhibits leadership qualities which include the not negotiable "lead by example" quality. There is a global economic revolution growing by the day, and it is against corporate greed, including the likes of Malema who has taken personal interest in tenderpreneurship for satisfying his own personal gain, and in his misconstrued malfunctioning brain, he believes he is part of the revolution, when in fact it is against his type of people as well.

      njabulom - 2011-11-05 12:41

      Its not going to help us to fight with whites. Really its not. As a black person, I owe my democracy and freedom to the ANC, and I'll forever be grateful for their intervention against a ruthless system. As black people, we come a long way, and still have a long way to go. Its true at the moment, some of our black leaders have lost their way, and some have become corrupt, and self-serving.. This is just one more challenge in our long walk to real freedom. As a people, historically we have always faced what seemed as insurmountable challenges, and we always overcame those. The solution of current challenges is not to look outside of ourselves, rather within. To retrospect and introspect where we have slipped, gone wrong, and how we can correct, get up and move on. The solution is in us, and has always been. So whether Malema leaves the ANC or not is not material, the challenge to find proper solutions will still remain. Despite what might seem as a dark period for us. I do believe, we will get it right, lets continue learning and educating ourselves. So that we can govern better, than our elders.

      Siotine - 2011-11-05 12:43

      You an idiot Mthuthuzeli. You not worthy to have Che Guevara as your pic. Why dont you put fatty boy as your pic.

      Oneant - 2011-11-05 12:56

      @Mthu : "This apartheid of most of the whites who do not want to have anything to do with blacks" - why would i want to associate with people who rape and execute my people, contribute very little to innovation and generally behave like children?

      Jacqui - 2011-11-05 13:25

      Elites, what colour do you have in mind?.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 14:44

      @Oneant With a population of +- 40 million Africans in this country, what percentage do you reckon is responsible for those thigs you have mentioned. It's not going to help you and your "people" if you keep burying your head in the sand, Africans aren't going anywhere in this country. @Siotine Back to Grammar class before your future posts, maybe start drinking a little bit later?

      bonnita.hill - 2011-11-07 07:48

      @Mthuthuzeli. I am white and I certainly don't consider myself to be part of any elite group, regardless!!! But because I 'don't speak any indigenous language, ... never listen to indeginous(sic) radio/tv ' and also don't ' walk in their shoes ...' to quote your categorising, you have the blatant cheek to cast me in that mold!! But because I was involved in establishing a school in a squatter camp in 1994 (with the able assistance of that community), I do know what life is like for those poorest of the poor AND I can tell you they are pretty savvy politically, and sophisticated enough to comprehend Malema's motives, as well as those of his puppet masters. Go, interact with the people in the Zandspruit Informal Settlement, as I have done over the last 17 yrs AND wise up young man!! Life is not simplistically painted in black and white, try some other paradigms, perhaps you'll recognise a kaleidoscope of nuanced colours there.

  • Peter - 2011-11-05 07:45

    Could you imagine trying to employ malema there is not a thing in the world he could do, he is braindead like the rest of the youth league. In the real world at twenty you stop being a youth and become an adult, so where does it put these fools, 30 and above still a youth, only in South Africa say no more

      Sipho - 2011-11-05 09:47

      Peter are u and your family so obsessed about Malema that u ignore the general call, shocking those who were listening to 702 will testify that young whites were calling in supporting the march for employment, oh by the way unemployment affect most of people across the race, what had Afriforum done for this country

  • Marlene - 2011-11-05 07:50

    I am sure the majority of people would be willing and cooperative and follow a well-thought out, fair policy, to help all our residents. But, and this is a big but, everyone needs to take personal responsibility and stop waiting for a magical wand that will build a house, allow them food magically, each day, with not having to do anything for themselves

  • myles.hopkins - 2011-11-05 07:50

    Even if it was 25 000 (which we seriously doubt) - that still only equates to 0.05% of the population - hardly epic!!!

      MagdaKus - 2011-11-05 08:43

      Yeah... but as much as I cannot stand the guy- who has ever drawn bigger crowds? Not many guys have! Problem is not with lack of support- but supporters being too unwilling to get of the couch to march!

  • rory.short1 - 2011-11-05 08:49

    I hope the foremost thing in the disciplinary committee's minds is what is best for our country. As I see it Julius, by his behaviour, is not contributing in a useful way to the development of our country. True his economic freedom march high lighted our youth unemployment problem but in my view offered no real practical solutions to it. And anyway you would have to be both stone deaf and blind if you were not already aware of the horrendous unemployment problem. In my view the problem of massive unemployment is systemic. The way we have collectively constructed our socio-economic system inevitably leads to unemployment because that structure is founded upon a basic lack of faith in each individual's abilities to look after themselves. If that was our starting point we would have evolved a far healthier socio-economic system than what we have a present.

  • Robi - 2011-11-05 09:25

    The point is whether there is positive correlation between the march and the disciplinary hearing. It is clear that the educated are becoming the uneducted. people like Kala,leonard and Servas must apply their minds appropriately before posting their thought. I hope you just arrived in S.A. after 1994. To be fortunate is to be unfortunate sometimes. The system which was applied in the country is still continuing posting mostly the majority of youth to the wasteland in term of education,employnment,poverty. Considering the socio-economic situation of the mojority youth of this country, you will understand the actions taken by the youth to participate in the march. It was not a matter of choice,but frustration as a results of socio-economic situations.Based on system which was in force before 17 years ago,we are still experiencing unemploynment amongst graduates youth of this country. Education without appropriate organisations to swallow the educated is a waste of resources. instead of critising those you claim 'the uneducated' assist finding the way forward. In this country I believe there is knowledge gap amongst those called 'political Analysts'. Instead of focusing on the issue in question, they always pursue their own unwarranted agenda. I still believe that the march was not for Individual,organisation march. in addition, it was the responsibility of the organisation, not an individual to sell their ideas to be supported, not the individual.

  • Ben - 2011-11-05 10:58

    Yes one could go on blaming attitudes and mistakes of others for the next 10 years but that will not solve any problems. A simple solution; Let there be two countries, the South and the North. Black people in the northern part and white and coloured people where they come from, in the southern part. Then nobody will fight over taking from the other what he has worked for. Let this preferably happen before it is too late, because there is no way that our problems will be solved otherwise.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 14:28

      You won't be getting any country in this continent, try Europe or Mongolia.

  • gary.jurgens - 2011-11-09 09:34

    A school teacher asked his class to give him names of the banks in SA. Kim: First National Bank Tshepo: Standard Bank Portia: Nedbank Julius Malema: Witbank The whole class laughed at Julius Malema and he said,"I'm kidding Rosebank....

  • Jason - 2011-11-09 10:29

    Rent-A-Crowd - Nuff Said!!

  • mmoledis - 2011-11-10 10:47

    Malema need to go to school and learn what the word sovereign is in order for him to stop interfering with internal affairs of another state,if government of Botswana can get angry they can take him to international court for what he said that they will sent people in that country to get rid of current government of Botswana, he should learn that only people who can make changes to their leadership are only citizens of that country and not any foreign person. Then if he can be suspended from the party and told to go back to class that will be a good thing for the party as we need educated leaders this days.

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