Mazibuko appointment about race: DA MP

2011-10-31 14:09

Cape Town - It was hypocritical to pretend race had no part in the Democratic Alliance's parliamentary leadership tussle, DA MP Masizole Mnqasela said on Monday.

"If we were not serious about putting race as one of the main components of diversity, then why did we care about removing a competent leader like Athol Trollip?" he asked.

"What's the fuss about putting up a candidate like Lindiwe and playing this hypocrisy that race does not matter?"

Party leader Helen Zille on Sunday accused Mnqasela of "Verwoerdian thinking" for calling Lindiwe Mazibuko's election "window dressing" and saying she sounded like a white person.

Ahead of the vote, he said diversity was not merely a question of skin colour.

By acting as though it were, the DA would not advance its aim of attracting black voters, Mnqasela contended.

Zille retorted in her weekly newsletter: "Not once during her campaign did Lindiwe or her supporters ever say she should be elected leader of the caucus because she is black."

Tolerating criticism

Mnqasela said he would seek a meeting with Zille to resolve their row and cautioned that the DA leadership should be more tolerant of criticism from within the party.

"In Africa, we have a tradition that some people in leadership positions think they should be immune to criticism," he said.

"If we do not allow dissenting views we are not going to grow as a party."

Mnqasela said despite his support for Trollip in last week's caucus leadership vote, he believed it was only right that MPs rallied behind Mazibuko since she won the contest.

"I'm calling for unity. We should rally behind Lindiwe now. That is how we should handle this."

He added: "Being compared to Verwoerd is the worst insult I have endured."

Zille kept a neutral stance throughout the fractious parliamentary leadership contest but it was widely believed that she has groomed Mazibuko for the post.

Mnqasela has served as an MP since 2009.

  • Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:15

    I agree Zille is coming with tactics, please all those DA supporters who are not happy starting from Mr Trollip must come and join the Anc.

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:19

      Your insane mate. I think you'll find far more satisfied DA supporters than satisfied ANC supports! Who cares who's the leader, as long as they do a good job.

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:21

      And even if she was elected to attract more black voters - She is far more competent than any leader in the ANC at the moment. You can't say the ANC doesn't play the same race games, after all, look who they have trying to take over cape town, do you really think he's not there to try attract the coloured vote?

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:21

      theandystokes Don't be blind brother we all know why Ms MAzibuko was chosen. Trollip is not happy at all (fact)

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:23

      @Sganja - The ANC is scared of her and so is your bloated youth leader - Remind me what happened again when Lindiwe challanged fat boy to a TV debate?

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:24

      "She is far more competent than any leader in the ANC at the moment" Wow really? Where did she show that?

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:27

      Ms Mazibuko is the spokeperson of DA why would she go to the top and challenge the president?I think she should have challenged Floyd or Jackson Mthembu. What happened when Malema challenged Zille for the debate?what did she say?

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:29

      @Sganja - Good avoidance of my other questions, bet you hate it when people point out the obvious to you. Let me ask you this then, who in the top ANC structures at the moment are showing good leadership and competance?

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:30

      @theandystokes cde Thandi Modise,Mathew Phosa to name but two, don't forget Mbalula

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:33

      She challange him because he's the one with the big mouth, whats the point in challanging fat boys puppet? He won't have any answers and you know it - Floyd takes all his rethoric from malema. I'm done here now, no point trying to reason with people like you.

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:35

      Servaas you didn't come to the union building I was waiting for you.

      Servaas - 2011-10-31 14:37

      Ag Ganja and what would you have done?? Light up another joint?

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:39

      yeah theandystokes you always want people to agree with you, if they don't agree you call them with names.

      tinus.kotze - 2011-10-31 14:41

      The first time Helen challenged him, he did not respond. The second time when he challenged her, she accepted and he dissapeared, The third time it was Julius against Lindiwe and he said she was not important enough for him (the next excuse). Those are the ones I remember.

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:44

      @SGanja - Where once did I call you a name? Please, if your going to try act clever, at least know what your talking about.

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:51

      tinus.kotze Madam Zille challenged Dr Zuma, Dr Zuma refused.Then President Malema challenged Madam Zille she refused. Then Ms Mazibuko challenged President Malema, he refused.

      Myvision - 2011-10-31 14:56

      @Tinuz.kotze JZ never ran, he delegated Gwede to debate, he was busy addressing service delivery issues im Mpumalanga. Lindiwe wanted to debate with the President of the ANCYL but she couldn't tell what she wanted to debate and since the ANCYL has a spokesperson we felt it was better if she could be addressed by our own spokesperson, Floyd

      Sganja - 2011-10-31 14:57

      heandystokes yes at this point in time you didn't,but what was your news24 user name?

      Hans - 2011-10-31 15:11

      This was about race? What is AA and BBEEE etc all about? Are these not ANC policies?The same ANC that said we shall never bring race into anything?The ANC had their chance and they messed up. They must give someone else a chance now.

      Sheik - 2011-10-31 15:14

      Sganja. Your comment to Servaas leaves me to believe you are a follower, by the way, all the people have let the Union Building, Sorry for you.

      Vuyo - 2011-10-31 15:15

      No one should actually argue with someone who hides behind another man's face - Fidel Castro nogal! Rather not have a face then.

      Myvision - 2011-10-31 15:16

      @Hans Yes they're about race, but where and when did the ANC say "We will never bring race to anything"???

      pcrous - 2011-10-31 15:21

      Scanja. Do you know Athol Trollip personally. He is thoroughbred stock. You must be a punk if you think a man of his stature will let him be put off by the Lindiwe choosing. Furthermor , watch out who will be the first black Women Prez. Not Malema or Winnie or any of there cronies. The DA with Lindiwe, has the support of Whites, Lots of Blacks (not ANC) Colourds and Indians. She will kick your ass as well as lots of the ANC renegades like JuJu and Winnie. So stop whining.

      Vuyo - 2011-10-31 15:25

      Ms Mazibuko participated in a fully democratic process here. She didn't replace Trollip. She campaigned for the position and WON. The DA's leadership structures VOTED for her not Helen Zille!!

      Chumscrubber1 - 2011-10-31 19:46

      And what is the attraction of the ANC, unless I have a plan to line my pockets with the "connections" I'll make? Any reason besides that Sganja?

      Mike - 2011-10-31 23:00

      Jeeez gabba and you work for ABSA IT department? I would have expected a bit more insight and thoughts from a man with the ability and use of a computer and Google to open and apply his mind. And we all wonder where some so called revolutionaries went all haywire and off the path. Poor ABSA, what they must endure with your caliber of people

      Sinjoku - 2011-11-01 08:01

      WHAT.....Are you smoking in that black PVC pipe Sganja...And do you smoke that stuff b4 reading or watch the news. PLEASE what would the motive be for anyone to decline a 1v1 on TV against Malema.SInce you say this happened i would like to hear what you were told was the reason. Hell i would Love to to go 1v1 against Malema and I aint a politician. I would ask 3 questions and he wont have an answer to any of them, end of show.

      Rudi - 2011-11-01 08:41

      Why do people actually reply to this Sganja?! He is a nut!! Look at his 'facebook profile pic'! He is obviously the creation of some clown in the News24 studios!! What a joke. Good on you for getting the tongues wagging Sganja or Piet Bruintjies or whoever you are in the real world. Ha Ha!!

  • JMan - 2011-10-31 14:16

    At least they're honest...

      Peter - 2011-10-31 14:25

      Honest about what? Plunging the party to its lowest?

      JMan - 2011-10-31 15:24

      Peter... We're talking about the DA here...not ANC... you must be confused.

  • Mike - 2011-10-31 14:16

    Zille criticized your view not you personally, it's not rocket science

      Mike - 2011-10-31 15:30

      Tweep? Thats a new one! Again, please illustrate how the current regime is better that Verwoerd. And perhaps do some research before responding in knee-jerk fashion.

      Mike - 2011-10-31 15:40

      You commented in the wrong box Mike it's below

      JMan - 2011-10-31 15:59

      This thread looks like a serious case of schizophrenia... ;)

      Mike - 2011-10-31 16:44

      Jman you mean multiple personality

      JMan - 2011-11-01 12:01

      Oh yeah... that one. My bad.

  • Elliot - 2011-10-31 14:18

    Mr Mnqasela what do you want .If she was not elected then you would have said it is because she is black. Now she has been elected and now she was elected because they want black votes. Want do you want tell me so that this couloured can understand.

      Mike - 2011-10-31 14:20

      Well said Elliot

      theandystokes - 2011-10-31 14:27

      Exactly! I bet Sganja would have said exactly that had she not been elected. You just can't win sometimes.

      Peter - 2011-10-31 14:31

      Elliot, you do realise that He has supported Trollip because he believes that the man is competent to lead the caucus. This is not about some AA/transformation of a party. Unfortunately a political redeployment like this can take another three years to rectify if it backfires. Mnqasela's concern (or verwordian thinking) will haunt DA in 2014!

      npretorius2 - 2011-10-31 21:41

      Well said mate!

  • Bonani - 2011-10-31 14:18

    Zille think Black people are lazy thy will DA because of Lndiwe Mazibuko ,We are not fools rember MADAM,We KNOW lindiwe will leader the party out side the parliament

      Mike - 2011-10-31 14:32

      Bonani can you back your statement up with proof of what you say, if you can I will vote ANC oh and no anecdotal evidence please!

      Servaas - 2011-10-31 14:32

      nice choice of words.. Madam.. LOL

  • Jared - 2011-10-31 14:18

    Of course Mazibuko's appointment was racially motivated! Why else replace Trollip with somebody who "just happens" to be black? Why not just be honest about this, Helen Zille? Just come right out and admit that identity politics and AA windowdressing is now official DA policy.

      Hugh - 2011-10-31 14:59

      what ever you want to call it, the DA must "appear" darker then whiter. Its called politics. Many will not vote for the DA while it appears a white party. Sad for Trollope, I hope he doesn't defect to the ANC like some of his previous gutless predecessors.

  • Myvision - 2011-10-31 14:19

    Politics are the same everywhere

  • Peter - 2011-10-31 14:20

    This is what I've been saying all the time. DA removed a competent leader hoping that Lindiwe will attract Black voters, they got it completely wrong? No black women/men can relate to this lady? She is out of touch. I still say that DA will suffer even more in parliament, if you want to tackle the ANC you must do a needs analysis and put strong people in the right position. Zille has shown that she is a Dictator, she will control the caucus remotely from her office and ensuring that her presence is felt.

      Mike - 2011-10-31 14:23

      Peter let's not give her a chance to prove herself let's just write her off. Phew!

      Deon - 2011-10-31 14:35

      Zille only had 1 vote in this election, hardly a Dictator. Malema is a dictator in training but going down.

  • Lwethu - 2011-10-31 14:22

    eish race more stories about race when will all this nonsense about black and white stop i mean we all flippin people news24 shud take a stance of writing nothing about race and deleting all comments about race, its either its constructive because i believe facts are constructive

      Mike - 2011-10-31 14:26

      This forum needs stricter moderation to deal with the abuse leveled here!

  • Thulebona - 2011-10-31 14:24

    I guess the DA has decided to go BIG... LOL, look at the size of that parliamentary leader...

      rbphiri - 2011-10-31 14:31

      someone has to compete with Julius.

      Mike - 2011-10-31 14:36

      Thulebona, is that it ...all you got, attack her personally, you sound like a person in kindergarden.

      Bryan - 2011-10-31 14:44

      @Thulebona.. That is pretty weak, even for a Moron like you..!!! Grow the hell up..!!

      Stephan - 2011-10-31 15:23

      HAHAHA, @Thulebona! Is that the "revolutionary intellect" of the New ANC?? Ag shame, man - now we see how Fatboy managed to gather 5000 cretins around him last week! Lindiwe will never be accepted by the Africans - too clever, too sophisticated....

  • wayne.parasram - 2011-10-31 14:26

    Well said, Masizole Mnqasela, Well said indeed. Sadly a large part of the electorate is not ready to support competence from a white person. I live in hope though, that one day race shall be relegated to the corner that it deserves and more admirable virtues are what we select our leadership on.

  • NrGx - 2011-10-31 14:26

    what a load of trollip (pun intended), she was VOTED in by many, who cars if she is black, as long as she upholds the mandate of the DA and stands for ALL the people in the country.

  • ddiener - 2011-10-31 14:29

    Ironic how black people want high positions and when one of their own gets it, they start shooting that person down? Zuma, Mbeki?

      Anthony - 2011-10-31 14:52

      Do you know the story about the crabs in a bucket, There where these crabs in a bucket wallowing in their filth. One of the crabs saw a way out and starting climbing its way to the top. When the other crabs saw this they ridiculed the crab, but the crab endured. When this crab finally made its way to the top, all the other crabs tried to grab the top crab and drag it back down to their level...

  • Thulebona - 2011-10-31 14:29

    If the DA thinks her blackness will woo black voters... they must think again... blacks dislike her so much... Trollip was much better, at least he would speak Xhosa fluently, not with an accent like Ms Mazibuko... Trollip wasn't fake. I am not a DA fan, but I appreciated Trollip's thinking

      Vuyo - 2011-10-31 16:11

      Thulebona, I think the DA leadership voted for her because she is smart, confident and competent. If I lived in the WC she would have my vote. For sure! Have you heard her speak? Be reasonable man, there are few in parliament that can speak in public like her. "Blacks dislike her so much..." who died and made you spokesperson for blacks? Fitsek!

      Jos - 2011-10-31 16:16

      @Thulebona. you made your point, but now your jealousy is starting to show. Let go. DA has elected a new leader in parliament. Majority of DA MP's decided that Lindiwe is their leader. A person does not need to be fluent in Xhosa or old or white or male to be a leader. Lindiwe is a breath of fresh air, i like her.

      Marion - 2011-10-31 16:19

      What has her accent when speaking Xhosa got to do with anything? And I think you presume too much when you generalise and say blacks dislike her so much. Because she is in what seems to be a predominantly white party at this stage? Do blacks dislike Tokyo for marrying a white woman? Surely they should, 'cos he is sleeping with one of the enemy isn't he?

  • Windlass - 2011-10-31 14:30

    I'm glad I am not Helen. She gets criticized for whoever the DA employs black or white?? Does it really matter?? Just get the job done!

  • William - 2011-10-31 14:33

    In the current South African politics sinister motives will always be on top of the agenda explaining why a particular action has been taken by a party.Mazibuko was elected Parliamentary leader, because the party thought that she was capable.Mnqasela is on the other hand thinking otherwise, he thinks it just window dressing because she is Black.If she had lost her bid to Trollip, the same people would say she lost because she is black!!. So which is which?

  • David - 2011-10-31 14:37

    I think Polly should wake up the pathetic party is the party called anc which does not have as much total brain power that Helen Zille has in her little finger so Polly wake up you pathetic person

      Mike - 2011-10-31 16:56

      Looks like polly was a drive by post, she's buggered of with her post....cheers Polly

  • LynneOeschger - 2011-10-31 14:51

    Seriously? The DA is criticised like crazy because it is "too white," Lindiwe gets a top post and it's still in trouble and she is "window-dressing." I think it's just enraging the ANC-dweebs who see their own party crumbling and becoming increasingly polarised. Good for the DA and really good for Lindiwe!

  • Rob - 2011-10-31 14:54

    cant we all just get along...

      Dave - 2011-10-31 16:14

      No! Are you crazy?

  • Mutsila - 2011-10-31 14:55

    ANC and Malema in every topic, u pple r obsased with this guy, and let me tell u he is going nowhere, just learn to live with his presence

      Mike - 2011-10-31 15:05

      He is going nowhere by many people's definition

      Hugh - 2011-10-31 15:44

      jail I think, quite soon to. Thats after he is kicked out of the ANC.

  • Andrew - 2011-10-31 14:59

    This all sounds very African... Could it be that Lindiwe is a woman? And to cap it all, a young one at that?

      Siyanda - 2011-10-31 15:24

      but it may happen that he has personal issues with lindiwe. we are very happy for her as africans

  • Adrian - 2011-10-31 15:11

    I believe that Masizole Mnqasela is a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and should be removed from the DA for making that racist remark!

  • Cracker - 2011-10-31 15:15

    Who really cares. Unless of course you are race befuddled in your head.

  • Marieta - 2011-10-31 15:17

    Yawn ......

  • paul.maarman - 2011-10-31 15:21

    ...nothing like a good internal to face and deal with these issues, robust debate is always welcomed. Let the flogging of this racist issue start, beat emotion out of it and let pragmatism reign.

  • Chris - 2011-10-31 15:34

    "Criticism within the party" is fine, but party loyalty and caucus discipline require that MP's do not initiate internal debates in the media. He should be disciplined by the part whips.

  • Julie - 2011-10-31 15:34

    Lindiwe is well spoken and will attract a lot of black votes for the DA. Well done Helen Zille!!!!!!

  • muhhamedvefa.dag - 2011-10-31 15:36

    I agree , window dressing , if DA want to lead the country has no choice to put Afrikan nation in key position otherwise they will never be in charge of country . Another point may be Afrikan man can run DA as chair person too who can do better jobs than zille , that will rock DA .

  • baliwe.yoli - 2011-10-31 15:56

    I like Maziuko and her Mom Zille, they are reshaping the South African politics slowly but surely!!!

  • Allan - 2011-10-31 16:15

    At least there is some hope. None of you black racists have called Ms. Mazibuko a coconut. Is there some mindset change that mixed parties are in fact acceptable?

  • John - 2011-10-31 19:49

    In America WHITE voters voted for a Black President. In South Africa, RACIST BLACK voters are not ready to vote for a White Leader.

      Musa - 2011-10-31 22:05

      This is NOT America! Forget, it will not happen!

      Thulebona - 2011-11-01 08:34

      Well, Obama was a credible non-racist... Zille is a tainted madam who uses people

  • Jeanne - 2011-10-31 22:04

    What is clear is that Zille bullied, threatened and bribed MPs to vote for Mazibuko. If Mazibuko was white, 31 and a drop out from UKZN, would she have got the job? There lies your answer. Say what you like about Masizole, at least he's honest and bave enough to tackle the dictator.

  • Bonani - 2011-10-31 22:45

    Madam Zille we are sober you wil not get our vote because u've been given an Dam and you dnt knw how to manage it nw u want an Ocean NEVER IN SOUTH AFRICA WE FIGHT FOR THIS LAND

  • braamc - 2011-11-01 00:15

    Get the profile represented that showcase South Africans, she is competent, dedicated and willing to serve us the voters and she wears pretty dresses. Change always good, trust me she is in good hands 2.

  • Silvana - 2011-11-01 06:03

    What's wrong with grooming/mentoring someone for a job? I think Mr Mngasela has a dose of sour grapes.

  • Mpho - 2011-11-01 07:25

    Some people say this is the DA's tactic to attract black voters,that may perhaps be the case, I'm sold,sign me up.

  • Chris - 2011-11-01 07:37

    Given the obsession/preoccupation with race that now infuses the whole of our nation, it was always going to be the case that many would want to make Lindiwe Mazibuko's appointment about race. This obsession/preoccupation is a cancer that is eating away at the national psyche, destroying nation building. See -- %:// It is to the immense credit of this bright young lady that she has simply declined to be dragged down into the quagmire of this vomitus mantra.

  • damonsb - 2011-11-01 07:39

    My Definition of racism is ...All who rape, Murder ,molest, Corruption ,Lie. ,Blaspheme..does not matter what skin colour you are. If you fall in any of the above...that Proudly makes me a class 1A racist

  • Harold - 2011-11-01 08:10

    The race card is the last resort of a loser. Sounds like a case of jealousy to me, also wonder if there's not a bit of gender bias there too.

  • flysouth - 2011-11-01 08:21

    As we can see from the reaction of both the ANC and of this MP (a DA MP too!) there is no limit to the racism of black people - even against their own, when they perceive them to be 'not black enough'. Shameful behaviour and the DA should immediately expel Mnqasela for his racist attitude.

      Kgolane - 2011-11-01 08:58

      In South Africa Black people vote for ANC, white people vote for DA...regardless of the race of the leadership. ANC will rule this country for another 100 years, White people can criticize till they are blue in the face. "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..."

      Michael - 2011-11-01 09:33

      @Kgolane - BJ Vorster said (mid 1970's) "there will not be a black government in SA in the next 300 years". Now you come up with this? Explain - please. I just wish you and I could live that long for me to tell you: You were wrong!

  • Tlou - 2011-11-01 09:37

    I doubt Mnqasela must have been deployed by the ANC to distabilize DA.What the man is doing, is taking place now in the ANC.Party problems should be discussed behind close doors comrades.If you cannot work for DA any more,switch over to other parties and stop playing dirty tricks.

  • Comrademayete - 2011-11-01 10:06

    Zille if full of bullsh£^&*t

  • Jennifer - 2011-11-01 10:18

    Ofcourse it is about race, most of the people in this country don't trust white people and need to have someone they can relate to. She was voted in fairly and She is what this country needs to move forward. You GO Lindiwe! ~ show us why you're the one for the job. DA is not a party where racists are comfortable and may it always be so.

  • Nkosinathi - 2011-11-01 10:24

    I watched this spineless Mazisole contorting himself in all directions, lying on tv last night and I was embarassed! If he was scared enough to vote for her, where has this sudden bravado to spill the beans come from. This is a pathetic little man overwhelmed by the occassion. The DA must get rid of this wart asap. I am a man but look forward to the day when politics will be in female hands. Man have been at it for ages and have made a huge mess of the world! Viva de Lille, Viva Mazibuko, Viva Zille and not forgeting Magwaza-Msibi!!!!

  • Doggtah - 2011-11-01 11:18

    who cares?

  • Bonani - 2011-11-01 11:47


  • Gail - 2011-11-01 14:08

    Atholl Trollip was favoured by some and certainly he had everything going for him in terms of experience, language ability etc, however we must remember that Hellen has taken flak for years from the likes of Malem and now someone within her party who happens to be black has been chosen and someone else who supported Atholl sees it as a race thing. Helen may have had a bad day, which caused her to respond as she did, however even if she didn't I do think her response may seem harsh however verwoerd was not the architect of apartheid on his own and both Helen and Mnqasela are in a sense correct. I object to the Verwoerdian retort but I also object to the fact that Masibuko is seen as window dressing. She is a strong and highly intelligent woman who was selected by her peers and the fact that she is black is incidental. She has been selected on merit not on colour. Let us not forget how Helen was criticised for selecting all men just a short while ago, now we are raising the race issue which is unnecessary from within the DA since ANC use it all the time. Is masizola jealous or an ANC infiltrator?Some white people still vote based on colour and bias however most of us vote for a strong competent opposition because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Helen like many others has devoted her life to equality and democracy. Lindiwe is black and a smart capable woman and I wish her well. I'd love to be part of the ruling party elected by all based on delivery, integrity and merit.

  • Markus - 2011-11-01 20:53

    Why should Zille debate Malema anyhow? He is a mere youth leader, he holds no elected position in grown-up politics. The person that he should debate with is obviously Makashule Gana. But no, fatboy is clearly taking himself too seriously and refused to do so, while also usin racist retoric calling Gana and his predessasor Khume "graden boys". Zuma is the one who should have debated with Zille a long time ago. Clearly he is too scared to do so.

  • Zebelon - 2011-11-02 16:05

    If your thinking is "Vervoerdian", Mnqasela, it will stay like that until you adopt some mental metamorphosis. Accept philosophical analysis, and either change or live with it. What is clear is that you were born and nurtured in a colour conscious enviroment, and it is a struggle for you, psycologically, to get this out of your head, much as you would want to. Your mistake is to air this problem in public, and involve other members in the process. Sought out your problems with your party, and get the relevant therapy.

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