Mbeki hits out at UN over Libya

2012-02-16 20:58

Cape Town - The United Nations gave free reign to the United States, France and the United Kingdom, known as the P3, to intervene in Libya without any evidence of war, former president Thabo Mbeki on Thursday.

"The naked reality is that the relevant organs of the UN - the Security Council and the Office of the Secretary General - elected to betray their binding obligations in terms of international law, especially as prescribed by the UN Charter," he said in a speech prepared for delivery.

"In this context I would like to state that there is absolutely no evidence that the [Muammar] Gaddafi regime either committed or had any intention to commit any genocide or wage a war against civilians, justifying the evocation by the UN, the P3 and the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) of the so-called 'right to protect'."

Mbeki was speaking at the annual Dullah Omar Memorial Lecture at the University of the Western Cape.

He said military actions in Libya were purportedly performed to make peace, bring people out of a dictatorship and protect the people from criminal abuse by the government, especially if war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide occurred.

"Together with everything I have said, we must nevertheless accept that various concrete realities in Libya provided the excuse for the Western powers to intervene in the manner they did," he said.

"Through its actions, it had earned the wrath of the major Western powers, partly informed by the conviction that Libya had carried out terrorist actions which had claimed many lives of citizens of these powers."

Libya had not been a democratic country, and it was young military officers, led by Gaddafi that originally overthrew a feudal regime to assert the right of African people.

  • Jack - 2012-02-16 21:05

    Well said Thabo! It's too bad that the people saw you as too much of an academic to be our president. I wish that the likes of yourself and other levelheaded politicians like Trevor Manuel would form some kind of political party with some real moral and mental clout.

      Kgomotso - 2012-02-16 21:12

      I do not remember Comrade Thabo and Comrade Trevor saying they are tired or resigning from ANC.They belong to a party they can not start another party

      Jack - 2012-02-16 21:24

      @Kgomotso - what about Mr Lekota (a man given a special mention in Madiba's Long Walk to Freedom)? He was also part of the ANC. Perhaps he realized that while the ANC helped bring freedom to the people, they couldn't carry the country into the future...

      Max - 2012-02-16 21:33

      No Jackblack, they actually saw him for the fool he actually is, that is why he is no longer president. Mbeki implied that Gaddafi upheld the rights of African people and that he created a democracy...he must be delusional.

      John - 2012-02-16 21:38

      Operation Freedom Falcon based on United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 in regards of Libya WAS VOTED AFFIRMATIVE BY SOUTH AFRICA !!!!! MORONS! They don't even know what they are voting for !!!!

      Kgomotso - 2012-02-16 21:44

      Jack Lekota and COPE are as good as dead like all that broke away from ANC to form their parties the list is long is that your wish ka Comrade Thabo and Trevor

      Francois - 2012-02-16 21:45

      Jackblack, maybe Trevor, but not Racist Hypocrite Mbeki. He does not have moral or mental clout. Anyone who buys submarines when people go hungry is stupid. Then onto Mbeki: Does this mean that Libya had free and fair elections in the past 41 years? Does this par up with your previous tantrum of "the right to self governance", Thabo? Does this mean that Italy did not fly planes over Lybia? Does this mean that Turkey did not support the resolution? Does this mean that terrorism is not okay, except when Africans perform it? You, Thabo, is a disgrace and that does not mean you like Dees Grace, Mugabe's wife.

      Wouter - 2012-02-16 21:54

      @jackblack - Thabo Mbeki is far from being an academic. Sometimes he was an ignoramus when he opened his mouth. This is a case in point - he's suggesting that you should not only tolerate, but also defend a murderous and corrupt dictatorship until the day they decide to start committing genocide. To think he wanted a third term. It's because of this thinking why Africa's in the state that it is.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-16 22:18

      Can Mbeki please return to his "quite diplomacy". Why did he not lead COPE if he believed he could make a difference.

      Sedick - 2012-02-16 22:51

      Thabo, remember the 100 000s of South Africans who dies of AIDS because of your ideology, the Arms Corruption, the ESKOM disaster, the Education mess, Selebi, Minister Beetrot, Oil Gate, Zimbabwe, shut up, and go back to where you have ben hiding the last 5 years....

      Gary - 2012-02-16 23:10

      That's true Mr Mbeki is a levelheaded politician and the likes of Mr Manuel and not make mistakes and shift the blames to the next person as if you did something for our Country. Mr Mbeki has touched me so deeply that I even have congraduate him for his bravery that the office of the Secretary General of the UN has this far commited a crime by without evidence allowed NATO to do as they please here in Africa. I do'nt disagree much with you... What I'm saying is: Let's build South Africa that can tolerate one's opinion and the moralle. Tnx.

      Gary - 2012-02-16 23:12

      @ Kgomotso: Seconded.

      brieuse - 2012-02-17 06:56

      The way I see it, Mbeki is the real ANC. Zuma is a mistake of the ANCYL.

  • Ouklip - 2012-02-16 21:11

    Mr. Mbeki is partially responsible for the serious mess called Zimbabwe and he would have loved Libya to be in the same state. Mr. Mbeki is a failed politician like Dr Kaunda (Zambia) and Julius Nyerere (Tanzania). South Africa started to slide downwards when this failure was our President. His statements should be ignored as he has no clue.

      Jerzy - 2012-02-16 21:27

      correction clippie, our country went downwards when it became fashionable to opress people based on the color of their skin

      Rodney - 2012-02-16 22:39

      He lost any respect i had for him when he denied the link between HIV/AIDS and sex, preferring to believe 2 quack doctors and in not sacking Dr. Beetroot within minutes of her ridiculous claim of a cure/treatment for Aids.

      Gary - 2012-02-16 23:15

      Ouklip: Out of oder comrade.

      brieuse - 2012-02-17 07:00

      Mbeki is certainly responsible for that mess. He is partly to blame for the rampant HIV infections. Partly, because individuals are responsible for what they do with their dicks. The Eskom shambles was also during his and Mandela's watch.

  • Fred - 2012-02-16 21:12

    Geez, talk about being out of touch with reality. Glad he's not our President. Thabo, did you miss Moamar ranting from his broken balcony that he'd show no mercy and kill anyone who wanted nothing more the the right to vote, all the while encircling Benghazi with the full might of the Libyan army?

  • mundu.olewega - 2012-02-16 21:15

    Huh? this is irrelivant, isn't it. Whats done is done and no-one gives a damn about Gaddafi...he is a DEAD Terrorist! Who is this Mbeki person anyway? OUT black spot!

      Sean - 2012-02-16 21:33

      The question is ??? Is libya is a better state now ?? Think carefully !!

      mundu.olewega - 2012-02-16 22:08

      Who the hell cares. At least Gaddafi got his.

      Gary - 2012-02-16 23:19

      Be reminded that Mr Mbeki is our former President. Respect comrade....

  • Anthony - 2012-02-16 21:16

    Thabo, give it a break, Put a statue of your hero gaddafi in your garden, but stop talking rubbish. You have some kind off "denial" problem, like you had with hiv aids. When gaddafi said; "The blood of these Rats,( meaning demonstrators opposed to him ) will flow in the streets of Libya" , he was just joking!!!! He just had a funny sense of humor. If you are soo bored Thabo, why don't you buy a yacht, and take a 3 year solo trip around the world!!!1

      lindz.kok - 2012-02-16 21:28

      ha ha ha well said! the alcoholic globe trotter should keep his nose out of things he knows nothing about (international affairs) down a bottle of scotch and sleep it off. the "economist" brought alot of short term solutions to south africa witch caused alot of costly long term problyms!

      Gary - 2012-02-16 23:24

      Do you have any evidence of that comrade: I doubt comrade. Viva the unity our people of South Africa viva. Debate is healthy. Forward with positive debate my comrades.

      lindz.kok - 2012-02-17 07:53

      plenty of evidence... this is the information era and i see you own a pc and have internet acsess. dont take my word for it. just read a few news paper articals it wont be hard to find as we had two terms of incompotance, and go look at the proposed modules of economic growth had our alcy not been in power. why do africans admire this fool so? he is no better than mughabe a learned idiot, there is a differense between knolige and wisdom and inteligance mbeki had knolidge and lacke the rest.

  • Fred - 2012-02-16 21:17

    Based on this thinking, if it was left to Thabo we'd still be living under Apartheid. Or was it easier for his simple mind to perceive oppression because the oppressors were white, while Moamar was darker skinned?

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-02-16 21:19

    Its too late Mbeki...go to pension

  • Cracker - 2012-02-16 21:20

    Mbeki, you are delirious. Gadaffi ran a dictatorship and he stated to the whole world his intentions. We SAW it on TV. HE being the character on TV. His visual and his words were not propaganda manufactured by his enemies. We all saw it. And what's more, he was clearly MAD. And you have the temerity to criticize? What strange world you live in? Stop defending dictatorships.

  • Fidel - 2012-02-16 21:22

    Well said Mr President, a true African indeed! The empire is trying to gain that which it has lost.

      lindz.kok - 2012-02-16 21:43

      a few problyms in your statement there... he is no president and even when he "ran" this country meaning traveling and pi$$ing up he wasnt. secondly what empire are u refering to and what have they lost?

      Cracker - 2012-02-16 22:00

      @ Fidel Emigrate.

  • John - 2012-02-16 21:22

    Another gift of the industry.... Mtafuki, United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 over situation in Libya was voted on 17th of March 2011 and South Africa voted affirmative !!!! WTF are you talking about?

  • Serame - 2012-02-16 21:23

    Well Said My Pres..

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-16 22:54

      Sorry Serame...your Prez kicked your Prez out at Polokwane, some time ago during some debauchery.

  • Rebaone - 2012-02-16 21:37

    well said Mbeki. its true that there was no evidence of war coming from muammar ghadaffi's side but its not about that as this seems more like a set up to take over Libya by those P3.

      elewies - 2012-02-16 22:04

      Okay so have they actually taken Libya over?

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-02-16 21:59

    Since when have the 'African people' Mbeki talks about given him the right to talk about them in a collective sense??? Who does he represent? Does he or any other African person or tribe have the cheek to talk for other Africans??

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-02-16 22:07

      Come on boys and girls ............answer that????? Who gave Julius the arrogance to cause crap in in the Sovereign State of Botswana??????

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-02-16 22:08

      Who is Mbeki to Africa?????? start asking questions ???????????

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-16 23:00

      Cliff: You know very well that Thabo Mbeki was the original founding member of the African Renuisance. He has done great work by getting paid large sums of money and travelling all over Africa and talking and getting paid and talking.

  • Comrade - 2012-02-16 22:04

    ..............amd....who cares Thabo (thabo who??)

      Njandini - 2012-02-16 22:27

      You should know!!

  • Njandini - 2012-02-16 22:23

    Thabo Mbeki is spot on. It is said that there are so many respondants on this topic simply miss the point. They appear to be clouding Mbeki's comments with their own prejudices and satanic behaviours. Hope all these bad people could vanish from the face of our beautiful country.

  • Mboneni - 2012-02-16 22:28

    Thanks that even South Africa voted for a no-fly zone in Libya and it will not be fair to blame France,USA and Britain.The United Nations is lifeless without memberstates,when we talk about the United Nations we are talking about a gathering of different countries including Russia,China and Zimbabwe and if it was not for the UN p3,Libyans would have been suffering up to this day,thanks to France the people of Siera Leone are free

  • Vusumzi - 2012-02-16 22:44

    I think Jackblack is out of order. Thabo is a leader of the ANC no matter hoe He was treated He remains our leader. For Lekota as yourself where did He come from before joining the UDF and if history serves you right, you wont liken Thabo and Trevor with the likes of Terror.

  • Newsreader - 2012-02-17 09:41

    ANC sewer rats fighting over something that looks like food. All have failed miserably at bringing anything to the benefit of the masses. Viva mielie pap! Viva.

  • mdy.chauke - 2012-02-23 13:02

    Leaders like former President Thabo Mbeki & the late Libyan leader Moammur alli Gaddaffi will be & will always be seen as not the correct leaders to lead the African Continent because of their firm stance when it comes to the African continent & it's population,based on their performance as leaders they have done that with flying colours,who will forget Thabo Mbeki during those elections in Zimbabwe when the Western powers seeks to pressurise us in outcasting Zanu-pf we kept our cool & adopted a very successful method of handling Zimbabwean issues,what he did in Sudan&what he with many South African troops did in Burundi the least goes on,as for Moammur he decided that it was better to die fighting for his country&people than to succumbed & let his country be stolen by Western powers becouse of it's oil,these 2 are true Africans they know the pain of Africa in generally.

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