Mbeki is back

2012-01-15 16:15

Johannesburg - Former president Thabo Mbeki made a dramatic jump back into local politics after almost three years of self-imposed silence.

Mbeki was fired as president in September 2008.

In recent weeks he has re-emerged on the domestic political scene in a more aggressive way than ever before.

» He slammed Advocate Willem Heath for stating that he was behind President Jacob Zuma’s corruption and rape charges.

Heath’s sudden departure after 17 days in office as head of the special investigating unit was seen as a vindication of Mbeki’s long-standing denial of conspiring against Zuma;

» He appeared at the ANC’s 100-year bash in Bloemfontein last week to thunderous applause; and

» ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema asked him to get more involved in domestic politics.

City Press understands that Mbeki will not seek an active leadership position in the ANC, but he could be influential in the party in the lead-up to the ANC’s elective conference in Mangaung in December by advising party leaders on leadership matters and playing a mediation role between the warring factions.

Ten sources ranging from ANC national executive committee (NEC) members to provincial leaders, business people and ANC lobbyists told City Press they could see Mbeki returning to play a role in the party, but they differed over the role the former president would play.


These include:
» An advisory or mediatory role as renewed infighting over the party’s leadership threatens to tear it apart;

» A rallying point for support to topple Zuma because Mbeki is the “better devil you know”;

» A “mascot” for the new coalition of the wounded led by ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema, with Zuma as the “common enemy”, but it’s unlikely that Mbeki would allow this; or

» A candidate for ANC chairperson or an alternative president should Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe decline to contest, as at least one faction’s list of possible candidates suggests.

A government official who lobbies for Sport Minister Fikile Mbalula to replace Gwede Mantashe as the party’s secretary general said Mbeki’s return was a boost for the anti-Zuma group in the ANC.

This group has begun attracting those who were supporting Mbeki when he lost to Zuma in Polokwane.

“We are using his machinery now to help what we already have.

“The people in his machinery that lost in Polokwane are coming back to be actively involved in the party.

Fight not over

“The fight between Mbeki and Zuma is not over. The strategy is that as they concentrate on Julius, our people must move towards [winning] Mangaung.”

Provincial sources indicate that Mbeki still has some support in the OR Tambo, Amathole and Buffalo City regions in his home province, the Eastern Cape.

The province is the ANC’s second largest with one-fifth of the party’s total membership.

But ANC veteran and NEC member Pallo Jordan said Mbeki would not contest any positions because he had already “reached the top of the tree”.

As former president Mbeki is already an ex-officio member of the NEC, but he has not attended the committee’s meetings since he was voted out in December 2007.

Jordan said he would welcome Mbeki’s return.

"He could just show up.

"If he now starts attending NEC meetings, I will say ‘it’s about bloody time’.”

The applause from ANC members on Sunday, according to Mbeki sympathisers, was an expression of how much he is still loved in the ANC.

At several points in the celebration, applause and ululation for Mbeki was louder than that for Zuma – a previously unheard of occurrence.


Supporters of Zuma, however, told City Press they were worried that Mbeki would steal the limelight from Zuma, whose popularity has waned, and whose watershed speech on January 8 was derided by most analysts as uninspiring.

Mbeki’s choice of attire – a striped shirt and tie instead of an ANC T-shirt – played up his identity as a statesman, rather than just another ANC leader.

Mbeki sat next to Motlanthe at the ANC’s gala dinner, suggesting to some ANC members a close relationship between the two.

Mbeki was supposed to speak at the dinner, but at least two ANC staffers involved in organising the event say plans were changed after orders from Zuma.

Some believe Zuma felt threatened by Mbeki.

  • Dennis - 2012-01-15 10:32

    And do we want more of Mbeki ? This is getting ridiculous if we have to recycle presidents !!

      Jan Theophilus Zanele Mahlangu - 2012-01-15 16:35

      mbeki is a dictator,he will remain a dictator,he was a president to fullfil his own selfish reason,he sow division within the ANC,he didn't serve us,but serve those american & European imperailist,he showed monopolism within the ANC and the country,COPE was his idea because he was ousted,so they are better & best candidates for presindency

      Newsreader - 2012-01-15 16:45

      He ran out of pocket money, now he needs to get back on that Gravy train. You go Mbeki! Second servings are always better! Maybe this time he will choose a better plate of food! Avoid the Malema mushroom and the the Zuma zamban!

      StarStruck - 2012-01-15 16:46

      @ Jan - those American and European imperialists you talk about also happen to be the same races of people that spread capitalism throughout the world and without that and being educated Africans would still live in mud houses and trade cows and chickens as capital. You disrespect the systems that they created but yet you can't live without them. You are being naive.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-15 16:46

      He's not a dictator, he left office.

      Anthony - 2012-01-15 17:07

      This is all part of a grand plan, to put Billionaire Tokyo Sexwale, in the presidency. If this happens, we will all experience, what life was like, under the tyranny of Muammar Gaddafi!!!!!!!

      Newsreader - 2012-01-15 17:44

      Anthony - some people never learn! They have to repeat the same mistake before they do. Unfortunately at the expense of you and I!

      Sheik - 2012-01-15 18:26

      DEETEEM, the ANC don't have any real leaders. So recycling is required.

      George Bennie - 2012-01-15 18:38

      One should value the president you've had. I would gladly recycle a Rolihlahla Mandela. Hell, I'd recycle Chris Hani at this stage (be he SACP) - we're a country that functions by its citizens, not its Bureaucrats. It'd be a nice change to have a thinker (or at least someone with a matric) back in charge - recycled ot not.

      Last Outpost Of The British Empire - 2012-01-15 19:11

      Ol' Beetroot is back with his fancypants modern day cures for AIDS. We need more jokers in the ANC like him, Malemoron and Zooma....zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom's the ANC Comedy Show on SABC 1 2 & 3!!!!!! State television funnies for the masses.

      Boer - 2012-01-15 19:41

      ANC CIRCUS. The wole world is laughing at South-Africa because of clowns in the ANC.

      frangelico - 2012-01-15 19:41

      @DEETEEM,Mbeki had his chance at success when taking office after Madiba but lets face it he blew it.There is only one person to blame and thats himself.He is past his sell by date,he's now turned sour.

      Hadassah57 - 2012-01-15 20:23

      He's so sour... should join ranks with the "kubus" king, what a show that will be!!!

      Gerhard - 2012-01-16 09:30

      At present I cannot think of anybody better than Mbeki. Let's face it, Zuma is a national disaster. - 2012-01-16 09:57

      I say YAY to Mbeki

      flyswat - 2012-01-16 14:39

      That's a good thing! There should be more of him/them. The more there are, the smaller their pool of votes. Welcome back, Mbeks!

      oscar.manamela - 2012-01-18 09:38

      Jan Mahlangu, under Mbeki the was not much corruption, really now, if you dont like him, better leave the country to gether with your buddies here

  • kbleboea - 2012-01-15 10:47

    Ja mense, poli tiks - let us allow this to play itself out and watch the last man standing in Mangaung,...

      Herman - 2012-01-15 18:30

      More idiots has yet to be born than the anc has under their wing

  • slagol1 - 2012-01-15 12:16

    Its about damn time the voice of reason is heard in the ANC corridors...

      Irene - 2012-01-15 16:13

      Not so sure Mr Denial is a good choice but the one good thing about Mbeki is as least he's more sophisticated than Zoomer which gives SA slightly, just slightly more international credibility.

      Sean - 2012-01-15 17:16

      I agree with Irene and Mbeki does have a brain !

      Tony - 2012-01-15 20:47

      @Irene - Agreed Thabo was a bit brighter than Zoooomer, but then again, a 40W light bulb is brighter than "political solusheeen" Zoomer,,, The only 2 things thicker than Zooomy are ash bricks and the fools (who now protest) that voted for his party.

  • jan.kritzinger - 2012-01-15 12:26

    Mbeki > Zuma > Malema

      Irene - 2012-01-15 16:14

      Downward spiral.

      Neville - 2012-01-15 17:26

      Sorry Jan it is Mbeki Malema Zuma now it is Zuma Malema Mbeki Malema the medaitor

  • Sinesipho Mbusi - 2012-01-15 12:26

    What sensationalist nonsense! Smdh! I have lost all respect for journalists.

  • siyabulela.s.ntlale - 2012-01-15 12:34

    Its about damn time!!!!! Amaaaaaaandla!

      Anthony - 2012-01-15 16:45

      @Siyubulela.s.Nthale, This is the man, who even today, believes Aids falls out of the tree........ He is responsible for the death and suffering of thousands, if not tens of thousands , of South Africans!!!!!

      ArchAngel - 2012-01-15 19:17

      @Anthony: Please explain just how Mbeki is responsible for the deaths of those tens of thousands of South Africans you mentioned?

      mbossenger - 2012-01-15 19:27

      @Arch - Because of his ridiculous, uninformed stance on HIV not causing AIDS and his refusal to roll out ARV programs.

      Anthony - 2012-01-15 22:30

      @Mbossenger, Thank you for putting it soo clearly !! @Trevor, No, people that have Aids, did not get it through "humping like dogs on anything that moves" This is a disgusting, despicable and sickening comment. YOU ARE A DISGRACE !!!

      Patrick - 2012-01-15 23:21

      @siyabuljahgashdjbhv?gvjafut??ejhfbjAJ??/.... u donkey!! sa is heading to become another zimbabwe and u happy about that???

      ArchAngel - 2012-01-15 23:36

      @mbossenger: Given that Mbeki had some very weird views on the origin of AIDS and its treatment, just how was he responsible for those deaths again? Those people died because they contracted HIV, the MAJORITY by some suicidally motivated act (UNPROTECTED SEX) or the minority by other means (accidental exposure to the virus or exposure under duress) I don’t recall Mbeki being the one that had unprotected sex with HIV+ women. I also don’t remember Mbeki being investigated/charged with rape. The virus killed those people. Plain and simple. @Anthony: Please refer to the above response to mbossenger on how HIV is transmitted. Whilst Trevor’s comment was not quite politically correct, it was correct for the majority of HIV infections. UNPROTECTED SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH INFECTED PARTNERS. Prove us wrong please. It is your attitude that is disgraceful in trying to transfer the blame for those infected people to an innocent party. IMMORAL.

      Anthony - 2012-01-16 02:41

      @ArchAngel, Yes, "unprotected sex" has been a cause that Hiv Aids has spread to such extend in Africa. Mbeki; an innocent party ?? It was HIM that rediculed Hiv Aids, as being a sexually transmitted decease, and stopped the message being spread, that to condomise was the FIRST step to fighting this dreadful decease. Can you recall, how Mbeki send his Minister of Health, to an Aids conference in Canada, with a box of GARLICK AND BEETROOT!!!!!!! And thereby not only embarrassing SA, but insulting Aids sufferers the world over?? Mbeki and the Pope should be arrested , and send to the ICC in The Hague, to stand trial for crimes against humanity. "Trevor's comment was not politically correct" !!!!! This site is actually unlawful, as it has become a breeding ground, for racism, hatred and filth!!!!!!!

      Anthony - 2012-01-16 08:17

      (Trevor's comment, being referred to, has been deleted!!!!)

      mbossenger - 2012-01-16 09:30

      So according to Arch everyone who has had unprotected sex must be condemned and not offered any assistance. Interesting stance.

      flyswat - 2012-01-16 14:44

      Interesting commments! Maybe Mbeki had population control in mind.

      ArchAngel - 2012-01-16 20:02

      @mbossenger: "So according to Arch everyone who has had unprotected sex must be condemned and not offered any assistance. Interesting stance." What LIES!!! Please post your proof that I actually said any such thing. Your unbelief has left you blinded to reality. You, I cannot add sir in there, are a liar and a fabricator.

      ArchAngel - 2012-01-16 20:11

      @anthony: the fact that Trevor's comment has been deleted is DISGUSTING. You probably reported Trevor's comment quite a few time, not so? It was HIS OPINION and he was entitled to it. YOUR ATTITUDE is disgusting and you obviously have NO CLUE as to what constitutes DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Disgusting!!!

      ArchAngel - 2012-01-17 16:22

      @mbossenger and @anthony: I'll bet you are just jumping with glee that you could have my comments removed as well? Comments that were nothing but the truth and in no way discriminated against anybody? Comments that underscored and identified your skewed hatred of Mbeki to the point where you actually advocated instituting criminal charges against him and the pope? You are a sick individual. @news24editor: that YOU allowed yourself to be manipulated by these two morons does not endear you to the majority of the thinking contributors to this site. The erosion of free speech is speeding up. DISGUSTING.

  • Molefi - 2012-01-15 13:10

    Politics are so interesting,it's always a leader in front and a bunch of followers who run over (you when you fall) in pursuit of what your successor can give to them. When they get not what they wanted from the new one, they look around to see who,s the next milk cow, badmouthing you.

      pws69 - 2012-01-15 16:22

      lol. Best description of politics I have read in a long time! Nicely put.

  • Mandla - 2012-01-15 13:55

    These stories are essentially mean't to kill ANC and are perpetuated by power mongerers and their cronies masquarading as journos. It is so sad to observe that City Press is actively conniving with these power mongers. Read faceless sources, unmentioned NEC members etc.

      pws69 - 2012-01-15 16:29

      Yadadadada. It's apartheids fault, its imperialists fault, its whites fault, the press' fault, neo colonialists fault, the DA's fault, COPEs fault, coconuts fault, the weather, little green men, the alignment of the stars, ocean currents etc, etc, etc. Yup, EVERYONE is wrong, except the ANC? Right? RIGHT? 500 years from now we'll still hear the same excuses.

      lydonmcg - 2012-01-15 16:41

      Faceless sources, unmentioned NEC members etc? Then who, exactly, are these faceless and nameless "power mongers?" Do you actually believe your own drivel? Regardless, if all it takes to topple the ANC in the end is a few cronies masquerading as journalists, then the ANC can't be very rigid at all.

      SarelJBotha - 2012-01-16 08:43

      Any way to remove this corrupt party from RSA will be good.

      Gary - 2012-01-28 09:47

      please, give me a break.... Sounds likle JuJu's rants have hit there inteneded target. The "Power Mongers and their cronies masquarading as journos..." You should do yourself a favour and make a little road trip to Zim.

  • Malik - 2012-01-15 14:23

    Hmmm,this is interesting. President Mbeki comming back to play active politics should be for the advancement of the country, to act as an adviser, a mediator or simply to front a new pressure group with individuals of proven and enviable records. It will be a mockery of statemanship and foolhardy to align forces with anti Zuma agents just to be vindictive. It will be like cutting your nose off in other to spite the face. As an Ex President, Mbeki should understand that he stands head above most of the warring members of the ANC, whatever he does today should be for the good of all South Africans and not teaming with people of questionable character all because they wanted President Zuma out of Office. In this matter, the country should come first, and even if it means he has to endorse another political party that can serve the interest of South Africans better, he should do it.

  • Thabo - 2012-01-15 15:03

    It's about time that Mr. Thabo Mbeki had returned to ANC and continue with his leadership gift because both ANC and the country need him after the realisation that Mr. Jacob Zuma is more worried about saving his skin for the near future than concerntrating on development of our country.We see him putting people of his personal choice in positions of leadership of our country rather than people with potential-his flaws are embarrasingly exposed!!!

      busi.carol - 2012-01-16 09:56

      do you really think Mbeki is a good leader or he is just a better option compared to Zuma.

      Andries - 2012-01-16 18:52

      That is what I want to hear: "His leadership gift" nogal. OMG... what has become of voters? If THAT style is viewed as having been from a gifted leader SA truly leads the world in lack of logic.

  • Faizie - 2012-01-15 16:03

    Whats of more interest is who will Graca Machel marry ofter the old man leaves stage left

      John - 2012-01-15 22:29

      Really? Was that comment necessary?

      busi.carol - 2012-01-16 09:56


  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-15 16:13

    things change hey?

  • Bongani - 2012-01-15 16:14

    Hail Mbeki "the lion of Africa" hail! SA misses your intellectual accumen. We love u.

      StarStruck - 2012-01-15 16:39

      I don't know hey. Things did seem more controlled when he was president but something tells me that he has an agenda. If he doesn't start his own political party then my guess is that he made some influential friends the past 3 years and is making plans to fill a few pockets.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-15 17:44

      hail grootbeki the spineless wonder thanks to him we have 3 million zimbo's taking work from us hail the old goatface hail

      Lordwick - 2012-01-15 17:53

      A lot of thumbs down is from the majority of white people,i fail to understand this nation? What's wrong with you people,you need to adapt and live happily!!! I don't recall this nation ever praising any president from Mandela up to zuma.

      Theo - 2012-01-15 19:35

      @Lordwick - What the eff is wrong with YOU mate? Adapt and live happily??? Are you f**g kidding me? Do you not think that we have plenty of reason to disapprove of these idiots governing the country? I don't care whether the president (or government for that matter) is black, white, coloured or whatever colour or race. Just do the job that you were elected to do. FFS!! Is it that dam difficult to understand?? Also, this is not a monarchy. The president is not a king. He is an elected government official. We have a right to voice our disapproval of the government.

      Irene - 2012-01-15 20:01

      Lordwick ~ What is to praise?? Please do fill us in!

      Garth - 2012-01-16 07:12

      It is opinions like lordwick's that we do not need. A democratic government should survive or fall, based on the opinions of the people of that country. No one in a democratic government is beyond criticism or praise. The problem with the useless anc is that they see themselves above criticism, as the saviours of modern man and free to do with this country as they please. It is idiots like lordwick that assist them in maintaining this illusion.

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-15 16:22

    K Motlanthe will come out tops on this one by the end of the year. This man is sneaky, always in the background. INJT personality type like me.

  • Max - 2012-01-15 16:31

    So the gravy is finished already?

  • Newsreader - 2012-01-15 16:41

    The circle of retardedness continues!

  • Mzeen - 2012-01-15 16:53

    Propaganda and Sensationalism at its best ! Time will tell................

  • Craig - 2012-01-15 16:56

    Would it not be GREAT if these guys took only half of the effort used in all the infighting and used that effort for the betterment of the country ????

      George Bennie - 2012-01-15 18:30

      Wouldn't it be better if all this energy was utilized to improve education as specifically education? Perhaps even to the point, that we start using grown-up words like "improvement" instead of neologisms like "betterment".

  • aruan999 - 2012-01-15 17:20

    2012 will see word wide power overthrows, and SA will def be part of it. Z's huge appetite will be stopped. Whoever replaces him, PLEASE, get someone not as Rand & asset hungry as Z!

      Jerhone - 2012-01-15 17:46

      did you look into your own b*ll or did you use a crysal ball?

  • Alan - 2012-01-15 17:22

    Where is Mangaung?

      Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-15 17:27

      That's the name change for Bloem, Free State

      Newsreader - 2012-01-15 17:47

      Where is Umtata now? Did they move it to Ficksburg? All these changes - eish

      Melanie Purge - 2012-01-15 17:56

      its a rural town in australia

      DraganTrenk - 2012-01-15 19:12

      It is lighthouse in Alaska,if I am not mistaken.LOL

  • Gavin - 2012-01-15 17:35

    Who will save the African National Crisis?

      aruan999 - 2012-01-15 17:43

      Mbeki owes Zuma a get-back. So does Prince Malema. Two with influence and following so far against the poor Z. Add Sekwala to this... Ouch! At least the country will save millions by a reduced wife & children corpse flying free. How much? Was it like R20 M last year? Should the country in future only pay for a max of 2 wives & 10 children? or is that far too little? Saving the ANC crisis?: FW de KLerk still looks fit.

      Garth - 2012-01-16 07:15

      What the hell would we want to save the anc for?

  • Gerda - 2012-01-15 17:35

    And so he should feel threatened. I believe in the wheels turning. Mbeki is at least better than Zuma but even better is Mbeki's brother Moeletsi Mbeki who has some economical sense in him and might turn a bankrupt country into a prosperous one for its inhabitants. Pity he is not interested in politics.

      Sinjoku - 2012-01-16 06:34

      @ReunionofIntelligentMinds. Interesting point you make about his brother. I have been to breakfast where he spoke, Very interesting speech. He is by no means a person lacking vision and ability nor brains. AND he wrote his OWN speech :P The question is why he has No interest in politics. A question someone there asked and he played down. Seems it is not an easy answer. Seems he does understand what is needed in SA, unfortunately he declines to answer as it would create a situation he would rather avoid. Cant say I blame him. I would also have nothing to do with politics if I were him.

  • Carlo Hayes - 2012-01-15 17:56

    If you were fired, suspended or incarcerated in this country and your black. Not to worry, you'll be fine and dandy.

  • Phill - 2012-01-15 18:15

    It's about time. I think Mbeki should come and help get rid of the liability that is Zuma. With the ANC certain to win the next elections, we'll continue to be the laughing stock of the world if somebody is not brave enough to get rid of Zuma. (By Phill from Elim)

      aruan999 - 2012-01-15 18:27

      P, I guess Z will loose and fall out: we shall never hear of him again, being stone rich now. The next ANC leader? working for self enrichment again? then the youth will then turn things around!

      flyswat - 2012-01-16 14:49

      Aruan, stones get rich? I thought it just stinks??

  • George Bennie - 2012-01-15 18:25

    Oliver raised a pius son. Watch the beast devour itself then gouge its jugular at its most vulnerable!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-15 18:48

      whose "the Beast", Geo? The old NP, who was worse than the ANC? Who? Or are u ref to Rev 13's "Beast"?

      flyswat - 2012-01-16 21:13

      AAAURGHH, aruan999, just shut up already. Take your uneducated, brainless, numskullness elsewhere. You're clogging the interesting stuff with your stupidity.

  • Andre - 2012-01-15 19:42

    May God save us from this "African itelligence" mampara! He is never in the country anayway and was never in touch with the needs of citizens.

  • aruan999 - 2012-01-15 19:49

    ja, wel, Gabba, how will u ever beat ANC?: They are laughing at u, acting & screaming as grade-1 idiots. U have not progressed to basic knowledge. Mister Zuma has! Regeer nou 'n land met sulke IDIOTE hier vandag!

  • Mike - 2012-01-15 20:08

    Another round of 'quiet diplomacy', see, hear and say no evil!

  • Alex - 2012-01-15 20:09

    3 years of contemplation sounds about right for Africa. There is no need to rush around here!

  • braamc - 2012-01-15 20:18

    Looking for some tender money probably. Once a thieve always a thieve, like the rest.

  • jacky.wrighton - 2012-01-15 20:31

    great news!

  • Trevor - 2012-01-15 21:17

    When Zuma ran for President even the whitties supported Mbeki, now Mbeki is making a comeback and almost everyone is whining...LMAO..what, Zuma is now the favourite, did we all forget this mans history,rape charges, Scorpions dissolved...fraud...corruption..Shabir Shaik being given, people do forget..Mbeki was removed for being TO MUCH of a "businessman", always out of SA to get investments for our country......and his Aids policy...well Zuma, came in dancing in his animal dress and white takkies, Julius supported him, called Mbeki a Julius Supports MBEKI and wants Zuma out...So who will it be, Tokyo, Mbeki or Zuma for President, go ask Julius, he seems to know more that is going on that all of them combined...scary

      aruan999 - 2012-01-15 21:30

      T, what u say rings true. Mb was no better, but more advanced, not blatantly getting rich, etc. We need new blood, which can only come out of the ANC, not from them moaning whites, who always think & boast they kno better, but could do no better. Surely Sekwa needs no more riches? And he is civilized...but he is not a Xosa!

      Garth - 2012-01-16 07:29

      @ trevor - what is a whittie? A `whit' is something small, an iota, not big enough to rate a mention - probably like your brain. If you are in fact referring to us `whites' then you are probably correct in naming us as `whit's, which is all we are to the useless anc - something not worth caring about. Well they certainly care about our money, the useless ineptocrats. @aruan999 - you are a moaning `whit'.

  • Cracker - 2012-01-15 21:20

    He is not back. What nonsense. All the little snippets in the article do not make him a comeback. Anyway, still no reason to silence the media. Watch how this news item leads the usual call for press censorship. Anyone with a tiny evaluation ability should be able to laugh at the cr.p represented by the news article. But THEN also, the media should also contemplate how they are able to manipulate and be manipulated. This news article is probably an example of how manipulative the press can and sometimes - despite denials - wishes to be.

  • Adrian - 2012-01-15 23:15

    Thabo was victimised and expelled from the presidency because he fired Zuma for his "generally corrupt" habits. The ANC and ANCYL demanded it. Now Zuma is being hounded because he wants to stop the loose cannon, Malema. Survival in the ANC depends on turing a blind eye on corruption. In Africa, the one who kills the goose that lays the golden eggs will always be the most popular leader. Robert Mugabe has proved repeatedly, that is what the African voters prefer. The ANC understands and manipulates this logic, the alternative is imediate loss of popularity.

      Grant - 2012-01-16 00:18

      Adrian I lived in Rhodesia during the transition to black rule. At one of the first election debates, party leaders were trying to out-do each other with promises (one promised every man would get a plough and oxen). Mugabe calmly said, "Vote for me and I will end the war in 24 hours". This was what most of the people wanted so ZANU-PF won by a landslide. Bear in mind though that Mugabe has lost the last 2 elections but refuses to give up power.

      Adrian - 2012-01-16 01:40

      Agreed, Grant, Mugabe lost but though he has less than half the votes he still has the army and police leadership with him. They rule by fear. Voter numbers are still high enough for him to claim fraud or faulty counting. Typical African dictators know that such details can be brushed aside.

  • Daniel - 2012-01-15 23:33

    Malema is clever than both Zuma and Mbeki, just see the way he is treating the so call leaders of the party,they are not only dancing to his tune but also knocking their heads together.

  • TonyPerkis - 2012-01-16 00:02

    Mbeki wasn't fired. Ok?

      Adrian - 2012-01-16 01:51

      The wording is "fired as president". Or are you on about the "re-deployed" party wordspeak?

  • Grant - 2012-01-16 02:18

    A few people have commentated here that Mbeki must have run out of money hence the need to return to the 'trough'. Well my understanding is that he has no need to. An ex president is made for life. A pension that keeps pace with the current presidents salary, free air travel for him and his family, houses, cars etc. Am I wrong? If true, I wouldn't mind being forced to resign or not be re-elected after being called 'president' but doing virtually no work for a few years whilst traveling the world.

  • Vusi - 2012-01-16 06:38

    He has played his role in domestic politics. i dont see him becoming more active in our politics. About the committee of the wounded. Who are those who are wounded? Malema lacks discipline,he is a comedian. Mbeki was not expelled from the party,he was only recalled in presidency office. But he is still a member of the ANC

  • malcolm - 2012-01-16 06:50

    Why dont they do the democratic thing and let the choice go to the people. Surely we should be allowed to elect our president.

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-01-16 08:02

    Seems to me the ANC is running out of competent leaders...reaching out to Mbeki, who failed miserably as a leader, is like scratching the bottom of the barrel. The DA will be foolish not to expoit the weakness in the ANC.

  • Tshiamo - 2012-01-16 08:40

    nice...President my President!!!

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-01-16 08:41

    Mbekhi has his particular kinds of evil, but next to Zuma and Juju, he looks like some sort of saint.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-16 09:34

      Juju is by far the clever one

  • TheWatcher - 2012-01-16 09:22

    I'm just sitting back and hoping that the ANC implodes completely and a new more competent party is elected into govt (don't really care who as long as the are competent)

      aruan999 - 2012-01-16 09:37

      The ANC will fall, or bust, but more water must flow. Let's hope the power unrest predicted generally for 2012 hits SA via the could'nt care, high-and-mighty ANC!

  • Kekeletso Nakeli - 2012-01-16 09:31

    My President!

  • busi.carol - 2012-01-16 09:55

    is there no decent leader within the ANC...

  • Mphotent - 2012-01-16 10:18

    Cde Mbeki is a world class cutting edge seasoned political leader, I wish he could be reinstated.

      Garth - 2012-01-17 11:09

      Your comment lacks potency. You should inject more power into your words otherwise they will always lack the vigour to sustain people's attention spans.

  • Anakin - 2012-01-16 11:05

    Need we say more than "does HIV cause AIDS?" Mbeki is a sick joke, with his sidekick's cure for AIDS...beetroot and potatoes etc. UNfortunately far too many citizens became permanent victims, ie literally DIED as a direct result of Mbeki's incompetence and reluctance to allow for proper treatment of AIDS patients. Now he wants to sneak back onto the stage, how sick. Mbeki should have been charged with genocide instead, it's that serious, along with Dr. Beetroot. Mbeki must disappear forever, his AIDS victims had to (don't forget that the TAC had to intervene to get the correct treatment and medicine for AIDS sufferers...why was it THEIR job and NOT Mbeki's?) I only suffer from hypertension and migraines, but imagine all the medicines are withheld with the attitude of "you can't have it: rather eat healthy African potatoes and herbs, it will stop the migraines". The same applies for all other medical conditions that are TREATABLE WITH THE CORRECT MEDICINES and suppose patients are then denied access to their required medications. NO THANKS MBEKI, PLEASE STAY AWAY, HIV DOES CAUSE AIDS : your ignorance and stupidity knows no boundaries: WHO speaks for all the AIDS victims that passed away that still HAD a chance with the correct treatment? Mbeki stands accused of genocide and must answer.

  • Gail - 2012-01-16 11:38

    Honestly, don't people who respond on here even read the article they are responding to??? It states clearly that Mbeki is being used to bolster anti-Zuma supporters and personally having heard Kgalema speak at the centenary and get quoted sensationally I believe a Mothlanthe/Mbeki coalition might not be so bad. Mbeki may be anti many things and inclined to be less of a populist and more of a pragmatist but he is certainly better educated and understands economics. Despite his stand on AIDS and his support for Mantho he was certainly not the only smart person who took this stand against antiretrovirals in the world. Many other highly qualified people felt the same way. Kgalema definitely seems a more flexible person than Mbeki and more approachable but I believe he could benefit from Mbeki in the background who has had experience and the chance to think about where he went wrong perhaps. I do not believe that Mbeki has any desire to be Pres. again but I do believe he understands numbers better than Zuma. Part of the ANC's problem was that they came to power on a ticket which promised FREE education, hospitalisation and security in terms of housing and land without realising the implications in terms of numbers. Not only that but the First World have screwed up royally financially as well which has dragged everyone down globally including China. Thabo's friendship with Moegapie up North was unfortunate as well but one must remember the history there and respect it. Be positiv

      Andries - 2012-01-16 19:06

      Do you call Greece and Spain and Italy first world? The Germans and the Hollanders and the Belgians and the British and the Swedes and the Fins and the Norwegians and the Swiss do not.

  • Sandy Houston - 2012-01-16 12:20

    Ow my ow my, Zuma watch out! I don't wish to be anyone of you all now.

  • annempho.masenya - 2012-01-16 12:35

    Divisions within the ANC are seriously worrying- I wish they could all get along for the greater good of the country as their slogan suggests : 'Together we can do more' and stop dragging each other down and making a mediocre of our country.

      Andries - 2012-01-16 19:03

      Division with the ANC is a seriously good thing, not worrying. It will give true democracy the opportunity to be born.