Media not objective on info bill: ANC

2011-09-28 14:03

Johannesburg - The media has not "covered itself in glory" in its reporting on the proposed protection of information bill, ANC MP Luwellyn Landers said on Wednesday.

Speaking at an SA Human Rights Commission debate in Johannesburg, Landers said the media had lost all objectivity on the matter.

"You haven't really covered yourself in glory... some of them [the media] have gone as far as telling outright lies.

"The minute you become the player then where do you go? You need to draw a line. You go without losing objective. The media has no objectivity and I say that with respect."

He said at present, whistleblowers could bypass all internal processes and go straight to the media to expose what they might consider corruption.

"You can't have a situation where the whistleblower leaves his department and comes straight to you.

"Who decides if it is corruption [or a threat to state security]? It's left in the hands of the whistleblower."

This could be a threat to the country's security, Landers said.

  • Pixie1984 - 2011-09-28 14:10

    Well, if you are blocking all other avenues to avoid being outed for corruption, expect the whistleblower to find other means - yes, the media. Get your government departments in order, then whistleblowers wouldn't seem so threatening. Twat.

      Servaas - 2011-09-28 14:12

      ANC Take the info bill and shove it up your @ss.. Talk about a bunch of criminals getting upset about not passing a bill that will cover them while they commit crime.

      Johnny-BB - 2011-09-28 14:31

      ...the ANC is taking this country back to the old days of apartheid....

      Wes - 2011-09-28 14:35

      The ANC is not covering itself with glory with this Apartheid law.

      Servaas - 2011-09-28 14:39

      Nope, they just f it up like they f everything up.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-28 14:45

      - Anc deflection tactics at work again - blame the media this time. Why should we trust the Anc and take their word above the media ? " You have'nt covered yourself in glory " - WTF - and the Anc has ? So they want to decide whether it's corruption or a threat to state security - well we all know how that will turn out. Thieving is one thing , but to deny citizens the right to be informed of that corruption as they see fit, is outrageously pathetic. Under that scenario corruption will escalate rapidly - the Anc really do take us for fools. As with everything they do, their agenda's in this regard are nothing more than downright devious.

      DW - 2011-09-28 14:46

      The ANC has also not covered itself in glory in trying to force this bill through despite massive resistance from the voters. Who exactly do they think they are? Who do they think they serve?

      Oxygen - 2011-09-28 15:07


      AllHoliday - 2011-09-28 15:26

      Spot on!! How objectivfe is the ANC about the info bill? Why not take their own advice and walk away from it??? This has nothing to do about state security, he said it himself "You can't have a situation where the whistleblower leaves his department and comes straight to you. "Who decides if it is corruption [or a threat to state security]? It's left in the hands of the whistleblower."! If the ANC's 'house' was in order they would not fear whistle blowers or the media. What do they define as a thread to state security?? It is in the interest of 'national security' to inform the people of the country if and when their leaders are corrupt and helping themselves to our tax money!! This info bill is only a plot to protect themselves from prosecution. What happened to an open book policy?? Since we pay the taxes, we should have insight into the spending. There are enough laws in place to protect "state security". Get Off the gravy train and stop wasting our money and time on nonsense! "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!!"

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-28 17:38

      Exactly Pixie - There is NO outlet for the truth except via media. Madonsela has given so many reports to Zuma... What has he done: Nothing. Shivambu said the national ANCYL was not planning on disbanding the KZN executive - That was a direct and now proven lie. So Zuma does nothing about corruption and the ANC's word cannot be trusted. Fact is the media has become SA's police - The people have NO ONE ELSE!

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-28 17:43

      @AllHoliday - Exactly! - Since we PAY for the INFO it belongs to us. The country belongs to the people. WE PAY THE TAXES hence we have the right. And once this government has proven they are clean then maybe they can start requesting certain aspects of info to be deemed confidential. The ANC has sunk pretty low but their attitude towards this is very low indeed. The media was a pillar in the fight against apartheid. Now they turn on it when they want to stuff their pockets

  • Pekkie - 2011-09-28 14:10

    Mark Esterhuysen say it best!

  • The Patriot - 2011-09-28 14:15

    Rubbish, the act of 1982 devised by the Nats was as stringent as can be. We were in a war, fighting the anti apartheid activists, shutting down news papers baning foreign media, major censorship's, a major nuclear programme etc. What more could the ANC put in the bill to restrict other then to cover up their inadequacies, theft and corruption? There is nothing that is state secret that isn't covered in the old bill. This bill is there to cover up for the ANC as they rob us blind.

      Dal68 - 2011-09-28 14:23


      Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-28 14:29

      I think that Apartheid bill has been out of the window, long ago.

      The Patriot - 2011-09-28 14:58

      @currie, not at all, the whole debacle is its being changed to suit the ANC, this is the first replacement of the old bill.

  • Greg - 2011-09-28 14:22

    What do you want to hide - Mr. ANC?????....What happened to the "freedom" that you shout about all the time....or do you not want the electorate and the civilised world to know what some (not all) of your "Gravy Train Passengers" are stealing?.....If you have nothing to hide, then leave the Press alone.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-28 15:12

      - Laughable - this is tantamount to the police telling a suspect criminal to go destroy evidence , before they come for him with charges. And they expect us to buy this bullsheet.

  • Pekkie - 2011-09-28 14:24

    The object of objectiveness as objected is once again a fowl cover to protect the bum of the ones not objecting the object which will hide all criminal objectives from those objecting, I object the objectiveness of this object.

      Pixie1984 - 2011-09-28 14:27

      Object much? :)

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-28 14:31

      I believe your statement is Object Orientated.

      Pekkie - 2011-09-28 14:36

      ;)))) Objectively yes! lol

  • alexwrightcapetown - 2011-09-28 14:24

    "Who decides if it is corruption [or a threat to state security]? It's left in the hands of the whistleblower." - No, it's in the hands of the Justice system that seems equally as corrupt. The media allow for the truths and indiscretions of our badly run country to come to light. The court fails to prosecute these people properly (depending on their status ans rank) so we need the media to bring to light these problems instead of receiving falsified reports and propaganda from a badly run organization so that our vote are correctly cast.

  • Faansie - 2011-09-28 14:24

    Thieves are a greater thread to the security of the country and the better exposed the better for the country. Stop seing everything from an ANC point of view and try to apply some statemanship

  • Thelma - 2011-09-28 14:27

    All your internal processes/avenues are corrupt that is why whistleblowers go straight to the media you moron.

  • Wade Mackintosh - 2011-09-28 14:28

    how ironic - the ANC itself has NOT "covered itself in glory" and all this bill is aimed to achieve is silencing the critics of this thieving, corrupt and morally inept governing party.

  • mSholozi - 2011-09-28 14:29

    The bill must be put in place, the media is not dissiplined and abuse power to fabricate stories of our leaders

      James - 2011-09-28 14:37

      Accusing someone or a body of people of lacking discipline and spelling it as you have shows just how little discipline the ANC has instilled in all that it touches. The ANC and those that support it are the sole reason that SA is sliding downwards towards becoming a failed state. SA wil fail with these d1ckheads running it. The ANC govt is wholly incapable of running the country. Not clever enough, not honest enough, not anything good enough.

      Powerman - 2011-09-28 14:42

      Like your ANC abuses it's power?

      Crunchiessss - 2011-09-28 14:44

      @ mSholozi - you must be part of the "gravy train" or you are just trying to get a rise out of people with common sense. Epic Fail.

      Wade Mackintosh - 2011-09-28 14:50

      same goes for the ruling party - so lets draft a bill to keep them silent

      cliffarc - 2011-09-28 15:22

      - Fabricate stories - oh yeah right. You mean like the arm's deal corruption, or Malema's unlawful tenders, or, or , or - the list is endless.

      Theo - 2011-09-28 15:28

      Yep, Africa really is doomed. You guys are the majority and you guys support this sort of thing and the ones who will use this proposed bill to cover up their crimes. Ironically it is also you guys who are getting screwed over time and again... I really don't know anymore hey - maybe it is time to pack it up and get the heck out of dodge while we still can. You go on and support your corrupt leaders. Nothing us white people say will make you change your minds in any case. Just do not come and ask us for food once there is nothing left. Enjoy!!

      AllHoliday - 2011-09-28 15:30

      And one day you will wake up and there will be nothing left in this country!

      canthelpthinking - 2011-09-28 15:47

      and you of course, Msholozi, know the real stories do you? and who told you the real stories? and who will tell the real stories when there is no-one left who can speak except the 'leaders'? and what if they then lie to you?

  • nic - 2011-09-28 14:30

    YOU are telling outright lies, not the media. I would rather believe a journalist who get payed to tell the truth than someone with a very big cupboard full of skeletons...

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-28 14:33

    "Who decides if it is corruption [or a threat to state security]? It's left in the hands of the whistleblower." This could be a threat to the country's security, Landers said. ... What rubbish. Is he saying that a whistle blower is stupid? What war are we fighting that we need state security other than the war against government corruption. Only the ANC believe themselves. No one else does. That want to preach to their own deluded cadre,s. Talk about inbreeding. This leads to mutants and spastics. Kind of like our wonderful ANC leaders. - SAPA

  • daaivark - 2011-09-28 14:35

    My dear Mr Landers, how old or thick do you think we, the public, are? Cnsider just for one moment the possibility that most thinking people in this country (and worldwide - if they give a damn at all about SA) consider your position ridiculous and oppressive. The media stand to be "controlled" by the state in the model you are trying to stuff down our throats, but in truth it is the nation that will be the victims, NOT the press. I know some people may find it hard to think. It seems that you may be one of those. Even for some low level nothing of an MP, this is really a stupid assertion.

  • amabok - 2011-09-28 14:35

    Coming from the most subjective of sources, the irony has me rolling on the floor.

  • Crunchiessss - 2011-09-28 14:37

    If corruption alligations leak to the press and sees the light of day then everone is made aware of the leadership or the lack there of in many of the departments. I say let them be publically humiliated. The ANC themselves said that corruption is the biggest threat facing the people of South Africa. They are all trying to avoid the hammer, all of them.

  • Dave Hood - 2011-09-28 14:39

    ANC talking about "objectivity" ? ? Thats a joke. It is just so sad the way they are steam-rolling this "protection of idiots" act through - no guessing at their agenda and who needs the protection. Another mechanism to cover up and sanitise the rampant fraud and coruption.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-28 14:41

    Unfortunately Landers will not read or bother to reply to comments on this and other forums. Why are there whistleblowers at all and why should they be so upsetting to the powers in control? Now LISTEN for once to some logic, all those trying to justify the concealing of information. Whistleblowers are created by circumstances. If we had a clean and honest administration their would be no whistleblowers around. If we do not have a clean and honest administration then we as the people of this country are entitled to know about it and about the details and reasons for it. The public should seriously question the assumption that the state must have secrets. It is a fallacy. A lie. The state should only be allowed secrets in the most pressing situations and then only if an outside party is also of the opinion that it is necessary. If the concern is that whistleblowers do not follow the correct avenue with their information then surely they should at least be allowed to keep their information pending the correction of the situation. But impractical. They will be eliminated in probably more than the euphemistic sense of the word. The ANC must understand that the concerns are about clean and transparent administration. Honesty and integrity. And of course protection of ALL inhabitants against secrecy inspired arbitrary actions. We need a public forum like this that is compulsory for politicians to interact with the public. Instead we now hear about the media being blamed.

  • Seven9 - 2011-09-28 14:44

    Absolute nonsense! there is no need to try cover up corruption, it will always seep through! I am amazed that the ANC could actually believe its in the interest of the country (the new apartheid is about to start)

  • gary.dasilva - 2011-09-28 14:49

    The cANCer is not hear to tell me what I may or may not know. It is NOT the goverments position to tell me what I must do or not do. The goverment is here to take instruction fromn me - NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Gestopo ApartHATE secrecy bill must be removed and stoped. If the ANC pushes it through the cANCer will be an illigitamate undemocratic dictatorship.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-28 14:52

    Whilst the media should never be censored, they must be ethical, objective & honest in their reporting.

  • AntonioP - 2011-09-28 14:57

    The ANC his finally lost it! They come with a heinous piece of turdish legislation to effectively muzzle the media. (Or put them into jail for decades!) And now this idiot says: they should like it too!!!

  • haroldrvjansen - 2011-09-28 15:00

    The reason for not being objective is due to the fact that very little of the information being provided by the ANC reflects the true status of the country. They are confusing issues with inaccurate "statistics" and thus misleading the public. Take for example the number of jobs lost during 2010 - 395 000, and was this not the year of "job creation" Once the ANC start providing citizens with true, accurate and logic numbers, only then would the media stop over-exaggerating every "stupid" suggestion made by uninformed leaders. Until then : Live with it!!

  • litefeather - 2011-09-28 15:01

    let them do what they want,BUT God says: Money that was obtain through ill gains will taste good at first,BUT you will end up chewing rocks

  • Beverley Pekema - 2011-09-28 15:06

    I couldn't agree more - Daaivark puts it in a nutshell: daaivark - September 28, 2011 at 14:35 My dear Mr Landers, how old or thick do you think we, the public, are? Cnsider just for one moment the possibility that most thinking people in this country (and worldwide - if they give a damn at all about SA) consider your position ridiculous and oppressive. The media stand to be "controlled" by the state in the model you are trying to stuff down our throats, but in truth it is the nation that will be the victims, NOT the press. I know some people may find it hard to think. It seems that you may be one of those. Even for some low level nothing of an MP, this is really a stupid assertion.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-28 15:20

    Let's not be told about objectivity. We don't want to know how objective the media or anybody else is according to your or the ANC's objectivity. Get the point, Mr Landers? Let's be told about the real reasons for the bill. Why whistleblowers are such a curse in the eyes of the ANC or some elements in the ANC. And then let's reply to what you have to say and we will do so with pleasure without even once quoting from the media. NOT ONCE. Howzat for getting the media out of the way. Then nobody can blame the media.

  • jen - 2011-09-28 15:35

    How can blowing the whistle on some MP's overspending (on tax payers money) be a threat to security. It is just a way to hide fraud, greed and laziness. In Nigeria, they have just passed a bill for more openess.

  • AllHoliday - 2011-09-28 15:36

    We must all hope that the oposition parties does not allow this bill to be passed. I have a feeling, they want to cover up more than just corruption under the 'mantel' of 'state security'....

  • Brainbow - 2011-09-28 15:40

    With respect, Landers, even after all these still don't get it. Go and read what the ANC stands for. Read it again and again and when you get it you will see that it is aligned with our constitution. The fact that people like you and your comrades have hijacked the country does not mean that you can change these values, however hard you try.

  • litefeather - 2011-09-28 15:44

    the anc is bussy signing their death certificate,the same way appartheid did,they screwing over their own people and i see allot of violent strikes towards worse services which will end in "Revolt"towards the anc,a country cannot work when run by dishonest leaders,like mubarak,hitler,h f verwoerd,all those have ended "badly"and their names are also permanantly damaged,with their "regimes"

  • AntonioP - 2011-09-28 15:47

    "not covering oneself in glory" in the eyes of the ANC, is so much better than "covering oneself in crap" - in the eyes of the rest of the world, including a large part of SA, which actually has eyes to begin with -ne Luwellyn? (Funny -he don't look Welsh...)

  • Darwinian - 2011-09-28 15:57

    The Media is not objective, everyone with a right mind objects to this, except the majority of voters, they cannot READ this article.......

  • mac-sdi - 2011-09-28 16:41

    Can the ANC give us a simple example of a whistleblower putting our national security in danger? If information of corruption is leaked then surely they too would want to know so they can "act" on their policy of eradicating corruption. the same as they're doing with the arms deal, Property deals and Shiceka. If it wasn’t for a whistleblower they would have gone on with business as usual

  • MandlaSithole - 2011-09-28 16:49

    Then control people in your departments, not the media dummy!!

  • Blikskottel - 2011-09-28 17:59

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. - Thomas Jefferson Now this bill is agaimst the will of the people, against what is considered lawfull internationally and it is plain evil. it is time to change this idiot goverment and work towrds real freedom.

  • Mark Haupt - 2011-09-28 18:15

    Yeah, and I assume that the ANC are being objective. Suggest you stick the bill right where the sun doesn't shine, see how objective that feels.

  • Gramsci - 2011-09-28 23:38

    Is the ANC objective when it comes to choosing the secrecy in the interests of self-enrichment over and against the building of a democratic culture in South Africa? I think not. I've listened to Lumke Mtinde talk about this stupid bill, and he is anything but objective. He is serving the interests of his ANC masters -- not the public interests, which the ANC obviously dispises with obvious contempt.

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-09-29 00:21

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  • kseyffert - 2011-10-04 12:45

    Technically correct. however, If yu maintain a good relationship with that same media, they will then approach you with the info first and you can then demonstarte why it is not in the public interest. When you try to bluster, command and intimidate then you get what you deserve:- distrust and lack of cooperation. Sorry ANC, you brought this on yourself.

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