Military deployment unconstitutional - DA

2012-09-20 21:35

Johannesburg - The deployment of the SA National Defence Force inside the country over the next four months by President Jacob Zuma is unconstitutional, the DA said on Thursday.

MP David Maynier said the notice on the deployment was too vague.

The presidency said earlier in the day it had authorised the deployment of soldiers to Marikana, backdated to 14 September, until 31 January next year to help the police fight crime.

It said members of the SA National Defence Force would be sent to Marikana and "other areas around the country where needed".

Maynier said the wording "other areas" was too vague and meant the presidency could deploy any number of soldiers anywhere in the country for the purpose of fighting crime and maintaining law and order.

"This is simply not in line with the Constitution."

Maynier said the presidency was required to inform Parliament of the reasons for the deployment of the SANDF, the locations it would be deployed, the number of members to involved and the period of time the deployment will last.

"It is imperative that the president comply with the Constitution when deploying the defence force," Maynier said.

He said the Democratic Alliance supported the deployment of the SANDF to help when there were "exceptional circumstances" which were beyond the resources of the police.

"However, we cannot support the routine deployment of the defence force inside South Africa."

Maynier said he would write to the chair of the joint standing committee on defence to request an urgent meeting to consider the announcement of the deployment.

"We cannot allow President Zuma to have a blank cheque to deploy the defence force inside South Africa for a period of nearly five months," Maynier said.

  • monde.sibisi - 2012-09-20 21:43

    Was it not the same DA that requested the deployment?

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 21:56

      Read beyond the headline. The issue is not that they have been deployed, the issue is the manner in which their deployment has been effected. When the DA called for the deployment, they would have expected it to be done in terms of the constitution, just as they do now. Comprehension - get some.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-20 22:05

      The ANC can use the army where it pleases,but when Helen Zille asked for the army to help in the Western Cape she was told they couldn't.

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-20 21:52

    "Military deployment inside the country" Sounds like Apartheid all over again.

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:09

      The current situation is a serious dose of "deja-vu", indeed. It's like watching rebroadcasts of the '70s and 80's on the news.

  • franklyn.davies.1 - 2012-09-20 21:54

    our army ? last i heard they had outside contractors to fix their own barracks....if it wasnt so sad it would be funny.

  • sglaister - 2012-09-20 21:56

    Ok that's a bit petty from the DA's side. Seriously they acting like they in kinder garden.

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:03

      Protecting the pillars of democracy is never petty. The issue is not that they have been deployed, the issue is the manner in which their deployment has been effected. When the DA called for the deployment, they would have expected it to be done in terms of the constitution, just as they do now. Comprehension - get some.

  • Ditantane - 2012-09-20 21:57

    marikana is stable now, why deploy solders after peace agreement was reachedj or is to prevent malema to go there.

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:06

      What I don't understand is the "back dating" of the deployment. Is it an attempt to seem less indicisive in retrospect?

      dan.cooper.9634 - 2012-09-20 22:13

      Because the days of freedom is over in the country . Bob deployed his army against the population 20 years ago and that was the end of freedom in zim and many other countries . At least you can still use the constitution on your wall as toiletpaper. Today the army is going to keep peace on the streets. Tommorow the army will check my ANC membership card . In a year I will be locked up because I do not ccarry an ANC card on some trumped up charge . In 2 years when Matashe nationalise the mines and most bussinesses the army WILL STILL BE KEEPING THE PEACE In 10 years when there is food roits the army will STILL be keeping the peace Im so furtunate to live in a peacefull democracy

  • melusi.myaluza - 2012-09-20 21:58

    didn't the same DA want military to be deployed in the cape flats where the DA is battling stop gangsters? If this isn't hypocrisy then i don't know what it is

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:03

      The issue is not that they have been deployed, the issue is the manner in which their deployment has been effected. When the DA called for the deployment, they would have expected it to be done in terms of the constitution, just as they do now. Comprehension - get some.

      jacques.smit - 2012-09-21 09:20

      Try to read while focussing on what your reading. slow and focus on the words, maybe have a dictionary nearby...

  • alice.pretorius - 2012-09-20 21:59

    What is too vague about the deployment? Bodies scattered, thousands of hooligans against our Police? Come on, get a life and stop your damn politics

  • greg.quinn.353 - 2012-09-20 22:04

    Uh oh.. here comes the Orwellian police state..

  • clive.toerien - 2012-09-20 22:05

    Wtf DA 3 months ago you beged for the same thing

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-20 22:05

    The DA is trying hard to sit on too many different stools (chairs.) They turned their political backs on the police after the Marikana incident which we saw was the result of an attack on the police with all kinds of nasty weapons and preparation with muti man's invisibility medicine. Even the Freedom Front Plus got into the act. What are we supposed to make of all this?

  • Joshua.Josta.Matroos - 2012-09-20 22:05

    wtf is up with the DA..1st they seek help bt when help is given they complain...what about those people whose life's r @ risk and need the militaty assistance to help the police enforce the law..i hav a right to safety&security...its set out in the constitution!!!

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:16

      Exactly, and part of that safety is the protocol that determines HOW the military may be deployed. It is not the president's personal security detachment, it is an organ of state, and the state must deploy, after the necesary procedures have been followed. We are not ruled by decree.

  • clive.toerien - 2012-09-20 22:06

    Wtf DA 3 months ago you beged for the same thing

      reveng21 - 2012-09-20 22:13

      Read the whole article

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:13

      *sigh* Read the article. It's not WHAT, it's HOW. Sheesh.

      Erna - 2012-09-20 22:16

      I'm sure they remember, and also that it was categorically refused. Now the president can deploy the army when he wants, because it suits him.

  • hallo.daar.56 - 2012-09-20 22:09


  • jason.marshall.1804 - 2012-09-20 22:12

    "other areas" I wonder if Zuma is not trying to keep Malema at bay for the elections. He proved this the other day by removing Malema and not allowing him to say his say.

  • george.pito - 2012-09-20 22:18

    Ag please DA what are you trying to do get votes. The manner in which they were deployed. I am no t a fan of the ANC or the DA but do yo want an election to determine if the army can be deployed. At least the useless lot get something to do and maybe a little training. If the do anything right the DA boo if they anything wrong the DA boo. That all in the name of politics and ther own agendas. Then I dont think the defence force is deployable

      triple.aitch.9 - 2012-09-20 22:24

      Reductio ad absurdem is a poor debate technique. We don't need an election, but we do need to follow the procedures we put in place to prevent abuse of power. This fact has never prevented the deployment of the military when needed.

  • pieter.joubert.9 - 2012-09-20 22:22

    Oh god DA...stop complaining about everything! I vote for you, but really, get a life!

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-09-20 22:26

    aaag maan DA (Double Apartheid) is crying foul because the Military was not deployed in the western cape. Tell those lazy cops in WC to be serious about fighting gangs and drugs in cape flats! Army is not needed there

      Rafels1 - 2012-09-20 22:53

      Hey Buthi, more people have been killed - including children - in the violence in the Western Cape than in Marikana. So why does the Prez not allow the Army into the Western Cape? Do you think it has anything to do with petty politics? It's the same mindset that prevailed at Marikana where the NW Premier said, "Gimme a break".

  • BulletProof. - 2012-09-20 22:27

    Here it comes, the dictatorship, the segregation of minorities we are near the genocide and the communist dictatorship. The ANC continues to act in denial for this genocide of whites in South Africa many killings they just call common assault when they are political motivated and then all is ignored. Here will be another genocide Burundi type or worse.At least already 3000 farmers are kiled.Recently attempts of supress the fredom of the press, now military deployments on a civil society, wait and see what happens next.

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-09-20 22:31

    I want to see a new inspiring opposition party formed, able to unseat ANC on election polls...current ONES are lacking skills for such a particular task, other than resorting on insulting electorate,self-proclaiming to be holy or intellectuals ... I have a serious problem with such claims, cause if indeed they do have APPREHENSION, why is it so difficult on pulling voters away from our beloveable 'antique' ANC ? maybe they focus too much on its weaknesses, targeting to take off ANC manifestos then contest to implement better than ANC. question is ,how possible for an ape to shake its master on his proficiency? NO, its time for feeble-minded groups to acknowlegde their weakness and be flexible for change, its been a while the DA playing a BIG leading opposition party...I' ve had enough of greedy ANC and DA and these small parties settled for survival for national assemby salaries.

  • - 2012-09-20 22:32

    This is a serious concern. The military is not a policing force, they are trained in armed combat and to subdue an enemy. There is a marked difference between a Policeman and a Soldier. A Policeman deals with the community with compassion and in some cases called to defend the victim. A Soldier however is deployed to attack and subdue an enemy following orders from there commanders without question, in most cases. The problem here is that from a Soldiers perspective the public can quickly become the enemy !!! It is not normal to see the military working inside the public during peace time. Beware South Africa, we are on a slippery slope !!!

      george.pito - 2012-09-20 22:44

      Jason are you from South Africa. You probably read a book about what the police and army are suppose to be. Then the public in general are not swinging pangas and all sorts of weapons in there hunderds. Neither is compassion gonna solve the problem with these thugs. Anybody from the public will simply keep away from gathering on a koppie for days looking for trouble. - 2012-09-20 23:07

      @george.pito - Yes i am a South African. I'm not saying that compassion and a soft attitude is whats needed. I understand that there are serious problems that need a strong response. What im saying is you don't cure Aids by giving the the patient Cancer. Deploying the military will create a society that gets accustomed to seeing the military in charge, as time goes on the police force will become more and more militarized and in the end you have a very serious problem where we become a military governed state. Police are meant to be respected and its an attitude that's taught to a person, passed down to the next generation. It can be a painful process, but anything like this takes time. The police need a new look, where the general public sees that man in Blue as your friend, the person you can call when you need help. This does not happen over night. When the general public start to stand behind the police force they will stand up and protect us. Giving them more power is not a problem when the Sword is been used to protect the innocent. A strong police force is something to build up, it used to be an honor to be a policeman, that is what is needed again. Remember who do you call when someone is breaking into your home, its the Police. Show him respect and he will be your friend in time of need. Calling on the military is a show of no confidence in the Police and this is not a statement i can stand behind.

  • amos.motsai - 2012-09-20 22:33

    Shame to you DA frustration of getting votes

  • george.pito - 2012-09-20 22:33

    Reductio ad absurdem is a poor debate ? Crap this is not a debate. While you are debating people get killed. By the time the debate is over the army strikes for R11500 a month.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-09-21 08:53

    Ag DA maan.

  • wackidmaledu - 2012-09-21 09:24

    Histry is about to repeat it self,hehe eh!!i see trble....

  • sifiso.msimango - 2012-09-21 09:41

    looks like da is too much informed about everything that has got to do with going to court

  • vkhafu - 2012-09-21 10:18

    Democracy is so good right now.Army in Marikana,Khayelitsha,Northen Cape? Yes, Constitutional?YES.On DA's plea or ANC's Decision? It doesn't matter.As long as people are safe, thats it.DA is scary, they realy represent Apartheid,get a life DA, never never and never again anikzwanga lokho.

  • tristan.a.scott.7 - 2012-09-21 10:36

    "There's a reason we separate military and the police: one fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." Even in 'exceptional circumstance' we should not utilised the army. We should have trained, special units to deal with these situations rather. Leave the army for the enemies.

      stephen.khaile - 2012-11-29 22:42

      South africans let's know the difference between the army and the police they serve two different tasks please let's try to be realastic.

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-09-22 06:48

    DA julle het dan self vir hulp van weermag gevra! Die weermag is nie net vir elite nie! Sinnelose moorde en verkragtings. D@nner is not the DA that needs the SAP. Also farmers that are killing in the whole country on a daily basis. SAP can not handle anarchy and murders, why is there a military force and paid for? Boere moet onder hulself begin mobiliseer vir hierdie moorde. Duidelik het die ANC hulle uitgespreek om boere te help en nou die DA. Hulle ontken saam die ANC dat moorde teenoor boere is gewone misdaad.

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