Minister begs forgiveness from miners

2012-08-21 22:17

Marikana - Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula apologised on Tuesday to angry workers at Lonmin's Marikana mine who held up plastic packets of bullet casings, the first government official to beg forgiveness for the police shootings that killed 34 striking miners, wounded another 78 and shocked the nation.

The minister's apology came at the site of the killings where hundreds of mourners walked barefoot earlier in a ceremony to bless the site.

The minister spoke after one furious miner demanded to know why President Jacob Zuma has not come to address them, and threatened not to vote for the African National Congress.

"If Jacob Zuma doesn't want to come here, how does he expect to gain our votes?" One man shouted as a posse of government ministers gathered before hundreds of striking miners.

Another piped up: "Don't you know if the miners here don't vote for you, the ANC is going down?"

Defence Minister Mapisa-Nqakula responded: "We agree, as you see us standing in front of you here, that blood was shed at this place. We agree that it was not something to our liking and, as a representative of the government, I apologise."

When miners started shaking plastic bags of bullet casings at her, evidence of the many bullets that police fired in volleys last Thursday, she said: "I am begging, I beg and I apologise, may you find forgiveness in your hearts."

She added: "The blood that is boiling is not helping anyone here at all."

Police commissioner Riah Phiyega was criticised this week for absolving her officers of guilt saying: "It was the right thing to do" to fire in alleged self-defence.

No police officer was hurt in the shooting though two were savagely hacked to death by strikers last week.

The government did intervene in favour of the strikers, persuading mine managers that no striking miners should be fired in the week that South Africa officially mourns the killings, the presidency said on Tuesday.

Managers of Lonmin had ordered strikers to report for duty by 07:00 Tuesday or get fired, even as some family members still were searching for missing loved ones, not knowing whether they were dead or alive among 260 arrested protesters or in one of the hospitals.

Zuma rushed home from a regional summit in neighboring Mozambique on Friday to attend to the crisis. He flew directly to the area of the Marikana mine and visited wounded miners in the hospital. But he did not come to address the grieving and furious strikers.

Tuesday's visit by an inter-ministerial committee was the first official visit to the scene of the shootings.


The first politician to venture here was former ANC Youth Julius Malema, who came on Saturday and was welcomed as a hero and used the opportunity to promote his vendetta to get Zuma ousted.

Malema, who was expelled from the ANC in April , on Tuesday told reporters that "President Zuma doesn't care about these people [the striking miners]".

He spoke outside a police station near the mine where he went with strike leaders to file a criminal case of murder against the police for the shootings.

"We strongly believe that it is within the laws and constitution to hold all people who kill other people accountable within the confines of the law," Former ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu told reporters.

Malema said he does not trust a commission of inquiry being arranged by Zuma because it would be "manipulated by the politicians."

Earlier onTuesday at the dusty site of the killings, hundreds of mourners walked barefoot as church leaders blessed the ground, with a Methodist bishop drawing a large cross in the dirt.

"Church members have come to express solidarity in the wake of what really has been a shocking event," Bishop Gavin Taylor said.

"It's almost indescribable that people could have been killed in this way."

As others sang hymns one woman, Alakhe Nombeu, sobbed. She said her brother was one of the strikers killed by the police and that she finally found the name of her missing husband among those arrested only three days after the shootings.

Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane announced that officials by late on Tuesday had identified 33 of the 34 bodies of shot miners, including one man from Lesotho.

Chabane's spokesperson Harold Maloka said it had taken days to check the mine's data base, the government data base and ensure that families were able to identify the men.

"It becomes a long process because some family members were looking for their loved ones and they might not be among the dead at the morgue or the wounded in hospitals," he said.

Brown muti

Meanwhile, two men who survived the mass shooting by police say a traditional healer told the strikers that police bullets would not harm them if they used traditional medicine, the Daily Dispatch newspaper reported on Tuesday

They said many of the miners drank a brown muti to strengthen them ahead of the confrontation with police.

"They were cut several times on their upper body and a black substance was smeared on the wounds," Nothi Zimanga said, according to the newspaper in East London.

"They were then told when they confront the police they must not look back and must just charge forward. If you look back then the muti will not work."

Miner Bulelani Malawana said he was offered the muti for about R1 000 but turned it down, as did Zimanga.

Some 3 000 rock drill operators started the strike 10 August demanding higher wages. The operators are among the least educated of mine workers, often illiterate and pride themselves of doing the most dangerous job in the mine.

In Cape Town, legislators held a special memorial service in Parliament in Cape Town on Tuesday.

It was opened by ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga, who addressed an apparent growing tendency to resolve disputes with violence in South Africa.

"It must never be in our psychology as a people that to achieve our demands, we must engage in violence and kill," Motshekga said.

"It surely must never be part of our being as a people that the maintenance of law and order should have to end in bloodshed."

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-08-21 22:31

    Please tell me she did not beg.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-08-21 22:43

      Yip, honestly:-) Leave the miners to their threat of not voting for the ANC. Let them "go down" as the one person said to her.

      Claudia_Meads - 2012-08-21 23:30

      You read this and you have to pinch yourself... I am too embarrassed to share this people in the rest of the world. Where else on this planet do you find the minister of a country begging a bunch of inebriated thugs with the collective IQ of a brick. They should all be on their knees begging for forgiveness from South Africa's real tax-contributors - a handful of people who are among the most exploited on earth. Less than 2% of the South Africa's population are bona fide tax-contributors - without these people the ANC and the hooligans they are pleading with, will not be shooting each other, they will be eating each other... This lot have got nothing to mope about – in 1922 Jan Smuts sorted out striking white miners with 20,000 military troops, artillery, tanks, and bomber aircraft. I think it is the reason white South Africans, are to this day, still too scared to strike (and I am actually being serious).

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-22 00:31

      JohandeBeer, Erm... Was it not the police who was shooting? Now the Army is begging? What was that minister doing there anyway, except on a nice public paid holiday? "When miners started shaking plastic bags of bullet casings at her," Show how up to cr@p the Police is as well. Surely if there were 'non-police' casings and/or 'non-police' fingerprints on them it would be evidence in this court case called for by the KFC Champion? As for begging, how many times have we been begging for the Army on the Flats, for visible policing, for the death penalty (though not my choice), for firing corrupt civil servants? But you see Ms Minister, you do not have to mean it, but we do...........

      atholl.canterbury - 2012-08-22 02:20

      The first aunty who arrived said : ... 'it's (Shoot) the right thing to do' --- because it suited her. The next aunty who arrived said : ... 'as a representative of the government, I apologise (for the shooting)' --- because it suited her. When the Uncle from the Union Buildings arrives he'll say : ... 'where can I get that Muti ... I need some too' --- because it suits him (on his spear).

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-22 03:03

      craig.demontfortbraganca Me ne frego dei suoi, fessacchione, faccia di culo. Anybody can babble in ancestral tongues - keep to the forum...

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-08-22 03:14

      She begged for votes, as the gravy train is under threat

      tw2066 - 2012-08-22 05:47

      Gerald .... Salting those chips Gerald, on on each shoulder.... Want to buy a pack of cards.....the RACE is on to get them....

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-22 06:27

      Enter the NCA. Will the witch doctor have to refund the R1000.00 payed to become bullet proof

      brian.exmachina - 2012-08-22 07:31

      @craig.demontfortbraganca If she's wrong, why does the general population seem so hell bent on proving her right? You think attacking armed policemen with spears and handguns is clever, do you? You think it's genius to burn down and destroy the little infrastructure that is available in some areas because of poor service delivery? Is it a smart thing to have many children when you earn a tiny salary? Will you win a Nobel Prize for burning down trains when they come late? Intelligent to vote for the same party over and over and then complain endlessly about them? This is how most of the population acts on a regular basis. It isn't clever. It's stupid and counter productive. In my school we had a bully. He was quick to anger and had a destructive personality. He was also very stupid. The two usually go hand in hand.

      jannie.devos.56 - 2012-08-22 07:40

      To ask/beg for forgiveness is admitting guilt. That is waayyy premature! Let the court proceedings begin!

      hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-22 07:41

      Johan, when we translate the apology into African it will read "the authorities are weak, next time take them out" - this is Africa, we are not dealing with educated European crowds, the mentality is totally different. She may still have to eat her apology one day.

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-08-22 09:10

      the boats in Simonstown are lying broken and cannot go to sea and she is mendind broken heartsin Marikana 1000km away.

      tw2066 - 2012-08-22 09:17

      @gerald .. Ok if you say so,. Sorry that others have opinions that differ to yours. After all, your opinion is the only one that counts.

      mo.matt.14 - 2012-08-22 09:53

      And so the joke that is the SA government continues. And they are too stupid to realise that the world are shaking their heads, laughing at them.

      markus.sharpley - 2012-08-22 15:07

      Claudia Meads Its a shame that you think that way and that so many people like your somewhat ignorant comment. What happened was inhumane however the fact of the matter is that 34 South Africans and above all people died that day. You come across as someone who has some sort of education, yet educated people do not rationalize in that manner. YES there is a problem which needs to be addressed, but we are not going to find solutions with mentalities like yours. That is why change in SA will take longer than it should, however it is up to the rest of the moral and sensible South Africans to help people like Claudia Meads to positively influence their mind sets.

      chris.novak.9235 - 2012-08-22 15:16

      Guess what, they still going to vote anc, and guess what, many more are going to die...if thats what they want, let them then!

      tw2066 - 2012-08-22 15:27

      Gerald, neither do I.

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-22 18:51

      gerald.nchabeleng How do you know you have won an argument against a black person..? He/she tells you that you are a racist. How do you know you have won an argument against an ANC apologist..? He/she tells you to leave South Africa. You make absolutely no point whatsoever. Your arguments read like a dog chasing his own tail - it is either the product of the same kind of bigotry you so eagerly accuse others of, or the cognitive vestiges, of an aptitude unable to formulate anything more than the shallowest of rhetoric. My "brick" assessment has far more substantive mass than anything in any of your meandering posts. If anybody is so overwhelmingly idiotic, as to vote for the ANC, simply to spite whites (viz as a consequence of puerile insecurities) - then frankly they deserve little more than the ANC dystopia waiting in the wings (an those are not KFC wings). Equating the collective intellect of anybody who storms a mass of heavily armed police, with that of a brick, is in fact an insults to all bricks - I apologise accordingly. Btw – compassion is mutual and not mutually exclusive. Calling the ANC ‘probably the only "compromise" party’ is like canonizing the devil's advocate... On any day I would chose to be a "highly impressionable little girl" versus being a highly unimpressive little boy...

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-22 19:18

      It is your presumptive and grandiose sense of self that highlight the some of the problems we are facing in this country. Your first rhetorical question i will skip as i did not call you a racist, i did though allude to your arrogance by your very ignorant remark when you equated so many to but a brick. Your second silly question, rhetorical as it is, further highlights your simple mindedness and inability to read deeper. My suggestion that you vacate this country is based simply on your obvious aversion to your countrymen, refer "I am too embarrassed to share this people in the rest of the world..." and "Less than 2% of the South Africa's population are bona fide tax-contributors - without these people the ANC and the hooligans they are pleading with, will not be shooting each other, they will be eating each other... " and has nothing to do with me being "an ANC apologist". Assumption is the mother of all...Nor did i insinuate or suggest anywhere for anyone "to vote for the ANC, simply to spite whites". I said people like you are the reason why black people will never vote for the DA, the other alternative to not voting DA or ANC, is to vote for othe ther parties or not to vote, i believe the latter to be more prevalent. Wether you like it or not the ANC is the only historically black party that still has some white support, hence my term "compromise" party. Note in my later posts how i warn of doomsday if they should lose, that does not mean i support the ANC

      maphasa.lenkoe - 2012-08-22 23:34

      @Claudia_Meads, so your people are the only "real tax-contributors" in South Africa? About your IQ point... perhaps these miners have a collective IQ of a brick as you claim, but with due respect ma'am, you don't seem to have too many functional brain cells yourself. But then again, this is typical rainbow nation- you have as many white retards as you have black ones

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-23 01:05

      maphasa.lenkoe - ha, ha, ha, coming from you, I will take that as a compliment...

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-23 01:18

      gerald.nchabeleng You persist with disconnected accusations - in every instance, while my message passes over your head by a country-mile you put words in my mouth, yet you still make no cohesive point and simply continue to circle the drain of you own meaningless verbose contradictions. Note - I would hardly call 'white communists' a "compromise" - certainly as opposed to tokenism... Listening to you is like asking a two year old to say pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-23 03:58

      @claudia Just back from work now, so to keep it simple. Pity news24 didn't keep or deleted the second part of my comment to u from earlier on. So to keep it simple... my second part of the post , which didn't come through point all along is I am not going to trust one to qualify a 100+ as is impetuous to assume, after a couple of cctv footage and news clipings, to come to your illustrious conclusion. A reasonably inteliigent human being will at least wait for the results of the inquiry before they blabber. Did u know that the police barricaded the area with barb wire and guarded the only exit...mix tear gas with and see how any human being will would you react...intelligent assessment as you put it or musings of a prep school girl? Furthermore, to highlight your intelligence, u refer to events of 1922, when J Smuts was busy selling out the Afrikaner and deployingn the freshly established air force against his people, how long after that did the Union Party stay? What happened in Lomnin was sad enough, sad enough not to need your type of political commentary. And to think at 3am I come home after work to read your type of drivel its enough to make me not even want to work. We edge that closer to civil war because of your kind. I love my country, and i fight for her, I would have hoped that travesty in Lomnin would unite us all, for our collective future, but methinks its best if u left, then at 3am i will deal with my real countrymen

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-23 08:45

      my God...asking a two year old to say what...pneumo what...therein is your problem...hopelese case of vanity and pure try so hard to seem clever, again...musings of a prep school girl. Never heard of that word but you and your clever 2 year old are clearly cut out for better things than this country. Get the hint?

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-23 13:47

      gerald.nchabeleng I will ignore your irrelevant meandering prattle - you are missing the point by a million miles and as such you are simply augmenting my case. Please ask yourself what kind of an 'intellect' drinks some brown fluid and then thinks they will become invincible to bullets..!?!?! It presents a new bar on the lowest axis of the bell-curve... You keep accusing me of somehow 'promoting' the onset of civil war - on what grounds do you make such an absolutely absurd deduction, you free-roaming idiot..???

      sauvignon.blanc.31 - 2012-08-23 14:11

      to all black south africans: please note that news24 readers are not an accurate portrayal of how white south africans feel. They are a concentrated group of whinging idiots who miss the old south africa and could never afford to immigrate. IF YOU ARE A RACIST, WHAT ARE YOU DOING LIVING IN SOUTH AFRICA...IF YOU HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THE 34 PEOPLE SHOT DEAD BY POLICE, THEN IM SORRY, BUT YOU ARE A RACIST!!! Claudia meads - you are very, very far from being as intelligent as you think you are. In fact the highest form of ignorance has to be the individual who thinks they are much smarter than they are and is blind to their own lack of foresight. i cannot stand whites who think they are smarter than blacks because they use better english and have a bigger vocabulary.. pathetic. and im white, and i can tell you my intelligence penis is much longer and stronger than yours, but i only use it to f**k up small minds like you

  • Nathan - 2012-08-21 22:48

    this "muti" thing... are we infected with a race of imbeciles in our country?? why do black people insist on confirming to the world that they are idiots??.. there are NO ancestors. there is NO muti.. there is NO tokoloshe! are you ALL STUPID??

      Visko - 2012-08-21 23:38

      Hey, if they believe this sht, who are you to stop them. The ancestors are ruling your country there. Just let things slide....

      Chris - 2012-08-21 23:40

      @veldt66: Actually there's more historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth than there's even for Alexander the great. And you're not going to make the argument that there's no Alexander the great, are you?

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-22 05:11

      @ Chris I think you know that veldt66 says that is quite as superstitious to go around that god came down and sired a blonde bye eyed Demi god that then went around and propagated world oppression. His saying there is no Jesus means that as in Jesus was no son of a God

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-08-22 05:28

      zZzzZaatheist.... this argument based on ignorance that Jesus never existed is not supported - not even by atheist that are serious scholars of this topic. There are better arguments for atheist than to focus on that. Anyway this have little to do with the topic under disucssion. The muti confirmed that the attack on the police was premeditated and confirm that the police reaction was correct. The only argument against the police I could see is that the shooting took longer than was absolutely needed but only by a couple of seconds.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-22 07:23

      Hahaha the troll sticks his horrible little head out of the hole to scream at Christians again...

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-08-22 10:47

      There's a big difference between believing in the existence of a God, and believing that some guy can get God to protect you from bullets! Very few Christians will believe somebody when they proclaim that "the end is nigh". It does happen though - cults are proof of that - but here in SA, we seem to have a MASSIVE cult following of these sangomas! You give your life to a cult, well then, sorry for you - enjoy the other side...

  • infijar.ken - 2012-08-21 22:49

    How the heck did they get the bullet casings? What were the forensics (we saw on film of the aftermath) doing?

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-08-22 10:49

      Probably from the robbery the committed at Checkers the other day...

  • stanton.clarke - 2012-08-21 22:50

    Why apologise, these thugs were a threat to the police and others. They should be apologising to the country and the family of the 10 dead people who were murdered in the week before our brave SAPS members instilled law and order.

      Visko - 2012-08-21 23:39

      The MINISTER OF DEFENSE apologize. Where in the world....?

  • elvis.nkoana - 2012-08-21 22:51

    Hahahahahahaha! "They were then told when they confront the police they must not look back and must just charge forward. If you look back then the muti will not work." hahahaha!

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-21 22:51

    We then take it as settled that the charges against the 258 or something miners in custody at the moment will be withdrawn and they will immediately be released from custody. Of course we also then anticipate that there will be no efforts at prosecuting those responsible for the killing, torture and other nasty things done to the security guards, the two police officers and the other miners. This is a reference to the ten people killed unconnected to the deaths that resulted from the charging of the police officers. We also assume then that the police and the other officers responsible for protecting the minister will be undestanding of it all. As will all future potential protectors of the minister and the rest of her co-politicians and other high-flyers.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-22 06:25

      Exactly. No consequences for evil deeds. This is what leads to anarchy. This country is led by exceptionally weak people, hence this sort of incident will occur again. I'm losing respect for the majority, as they seem happy with anarchy. Read the comments, most seem to be on the murderous strikers side, none seem to care for the 10 people that were brutally murdered, not a peep about them. Its just disgusting.

  • infijar.ken - 2012-08-21 22:52

    The Muti doesn't surprise me. It probably came from the mutilated bodies of the Policemen previously murdered.

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-08-22 06:30

      Most likely from the cartridges stolen from the cops they murdered...

  • juicecard.tshaka - 2012-08-21 23:01

    A gvt in disarray,each responding according to his/her own whims. Shows lack of direction from up there no wonder why the Malema`s are pouncing

  • ruan.lacock - 2012-08-21 23:02

    Shut you gob and get back to work now !!

  • ntshuxeko.mashaba - 2012-08-21 23:03

    inyangas must deal with this inyanga as he tarnished their practice.anc has failed black people long time.things get worse and worse while you still give them your votes.well your vote is your them so that they can eat alone and gun you down when you protest.

  • infijar.ken - 2012-08-21 23:14

    Yes, one question needs answering, who gave the Police orders to issue/use live rounds. Another is, who gave the orders to the miners to charge the Police. Has the Sangima been caught, he is also complicit? He charged R1,000 per man for this Muti. He also sent these miners to their death.

      denis.gomo - 2012-08-22 07:27

      R1000 per person....that's at the very least a cool R114,000 (34 killed plus 78 wounded). Where can I train to be a sangoma?

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-08-22 10:56

      @Denis - you can start your practice now! Just act like an idiot, and they wont suspect a thing!!

  • herman.heil - 2012-08-21 23:46

    Those casings are evidence, but again our majority does not know anything, just how to rob, kill and rape!!

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-08-21 23:55

    Beg..."defenece minister"...if there a war....."sorry people WE must shoot you" wonder..everything is BEE

      crackston.jack - 2012-08-21 23:57

      I want what you smoking brew

  • michil.chegwidden - 2012-08-22 01:14

    I am working outside of South Africa and it’s quite difficult to explain to the other expats that we in South Africa are educated. My only response is that most of the miners are Zimbabweans, which are true. Send the Zimbabweans back and employ jobless South Africans which have respect for South Africa.

      Chaapo - 2012-08-22 01:48

      You should be embarrassed by your imbecility in thinking that people will actually believe you and by displaying your ignorance. You may be schooled but you are certainly not educated because you get a big F on critical analysis. Zimbabweans do not go on rampages killing people and destroying property even at the worst of times. They feel for other humans; not this dehumanized and dehumanizing society we see in SA. Compare the crime statistics in Zimbabwe with those with South Africa with its culture of violence and criminality: rapes, murders, violent thefts etc. If Zimbos are working in the mines, it is only to fill a gap because lazy South Africans feel the jobs are below them and would rather settle for the stipend they get from government. You are so used to that culture of dependency and a overblown sense of entitlement and when you do not get your way, the default action is to kill, destroy property which you benefit from whether public or private and loot. Most Zimbabweans do an honest job and have been able to hold their own wherever they go that is why they have survived despite Mugabe's best efforts. Show me how much infrastructure in Zim has been destroyed or how many people have died at the hands of demonstrators. Therein lies the difference in thinking. Do not try to shift responsibility with this xenophobic search for a scapegoat or to cover up your embarrassment for a dysfunctional society.

      denis.gomo - 2012-08-22 07:37

      That's the most idiotic comment I've read on this site. If you are working outside SA and are not sure of the truth on the ground here, why not ask those in the know? The report says it for itself....of the 34 killed, only one was a foreigner from Lesotho...that should tell you something about the make up of the striking miners. Most of them are Xhosa speaking from the Eastern Cape, and Tswana speaking from Majakaneng, Bapong and other areas in the NortnWest surrounding the mine. Where do Zimbabwean come in? Zimbabweans are generally cowards who break a leg at the sound of a log cracking...that is the reason why they all ran away and failed to face up to Mugabe...the same cowards wouldnt wake up brave enough to face live bullets just because they are now in SA.

      Chaapo - 2012-08-22 23:40

      to denis.gomo That is not cowardice but an act of survival informed by pragmatism. And at least they are savvy enough to know that magic portions do not make them invisible against bullets. Are we re-living the Maji Maji Rebellion in this day and age? Zimbos also know when they are being taken for a ride. We have seen in the past how lives are sacrificed only for the leadership of both ZANU PF and MDC to then conduct themselves just like the masters they replaced - if not worse- Animal Farm scenario). Why then bother? There are many ways of protesting and one of those is to vote with your feet- which is what many have chosen to do and no one need apologize for that. They killed nobody.

  • Chaapo - 2012-08-22 01:31

    What of the 10 who died at their hands? Who apologizes to their families for the dereliction of duty to clamp down on the miscreants early which could then stopped this tragedy from evolving. Ministers should not pander to these hyenas who were hellbent on creating mayhem. They are killers and had already demonstrated it - and the solution was to meet force with force. They have to know the rules- for every action there is a reaction. Let this be the event that has drawn a line in the sand; that there will be no more standing back helplessly and watching while people go about rampaging, killing and looting in the name of "demonstrating".

      lmanonose - 2012-08-22 03:39

      Chaapo, you see what amazes me is to see a minister of Government begging the DEVIL.God help this nation.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-08-22 01:33

    And the miners are growing into their victimhood even faster than the authorities and the callous, baying mob who applauded their slaughter are growing into their villainy...

  • nick.sailer - 2012-08-22 01:36

    OMG What an idiot. The miners got what they desereved. What the f@#k is this twit 'begging apology' for. She should keep her stupid trap shut. Moron!

  • tomas.evan.5 - 2012-08-22 02:03

    WEll done Police Commissioner for standing by your police officers. They have a right to defend themselves and if you shoot at armed police officers - what the hell where you expecting in return ? Sadly, the Defense Minister is a terrible leader and I would not like be in the armed forces under her - she obviously would not stand by her troops - shocking.

  • steveroodt - 2012-08-22 03:56

    Begging For Votes should be the headline

  • christopher.collings.9 - 2012-08-22 04:49

    Another ANC blunder!

  • denzil.davan - 2012-08-22 05:07

    Bullet casings ... that was supposed to have been evidence. Just goes to show how inefficient the police investigation is already.

      diederik.vanthof - 2012-08-22 09:11

      Who says they were the bullet casings from the actual shooting?

  • Andre Van Zyl - 2012-08-22 05:34

    The miner threatens to not vote ANC next time... So despite what has happened he actually still supports the ANC, he is just a little upset with them. The police minister has not resigned and there is no real pressure on him to do so... Politicians are literally getting away with murder and the electorate are allowing it. I feel like we are living in the twilight zone.

  • George - 2012-08-22 05:49

    When will Joe Citizen get an apology from the cANCer society for making SA the laughing stock of the world while leeching billions from the hard working racially discriminated white minority. Vote DA!

  • carl.lutzer.3 - 2012-08-22 05:49

    How pathetic......

  • sagren.padayachie - 2012-08-22 05:58

    The ANC should negotiate a refund from the Traditional Healer, seems the only winner in this situation is the Traditional Healer at R1000 per person.

  • Dylan Dillboy Allison - 2012-08-22 06:02

    I've heard stories that the 2 police officers that were 'hacked to death' actually had their jaw bones cut off before being hacked to little pieces by barbarians... Now where is their justice? Who is going to investigate their gruesome murders at the hands of those people (miners, union members or Wonderkop residents) and who is going to be charged with treating fellow human beings worse than they would treat a dog or goat? There is NO moral compass here... Thousands can claim they were hard done by because they refused to respect the law... Yet they remain lawless themselves?

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-22 06:05

    Like I said. It will always be only about the ANC. And votes. And "power". The only way to get this country under control and moving forward, is to depoliticize the management and scrap all political parties. It is time we implement a democracy that works for the PEOPLE.

  • iceman196 - 2012-08-22 06:14

    omg, thats our minister of defence, God help us to help ourselves if we are ever invaded. we would need to organise rebel divisions to fight the enemy

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-22 06:15

    Cowards. Why don't they beg for forgiveness for brutally killing 10 people? The miners disgusting savage behaviour is what led up to them being killed. I'm glad they were killed, if you commit evil there has to be consequences. Cowardly ANC does not condemn what the miners did. The whole situation makes me want to vomit. And the threat as usual is just votes. This country is in a dark hole, and its not just because of apartheid. What incredibly weak people ...

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-22 06:32

    Now the Minister of Defence and the Minister of Police can start fighting with each other. Then the Minister of Labour and the Minister of Mines can join in. After that the BEE Mining Billionaires can join the fracas. When it is all over they can start begging each other for forgiveness and figure out a new and better way of screwing the people of South Africa. "Together, we can take more".

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-08-22 06:42

    Really? Only read the first paragraph.... Nosiviwe, you need to grow a backbone. These miners should be begging for forgiveness from US... they broke the law, they charged the police with weapons. They were rioting.

  • breinlekkasie.dodelikegif - 2012-08-22 06:47

    We are so sorry because we want your votes, eish!

  • devenjoey.theron - 2012-08-22 06:58

    You cannot toss a brick into the air, and expect flowers to rain down. You cannot consider yourself as a group, hacking people to death, and expect a salary increase! There is nothing to apologize for, if your own action is in equilibrium with your opposition. You cannot expect someone to pay you R12 500 if you are not capable to generate such money.- without assistance, meaning, you must know what you are worth standing on your own two feet. Everyone have a primary opportunity to generate their own income. If you fail to do so, then you have to work for someone else, and you cannot demand anything! Is it not so that you will die from hunger if Lonmin did not pay you the little that you had agreed upon? Now that the workers are angry, they do so because of exterior hardships that Lonmin had no part in. The good drill rig operators, did not change overnight into criminals, NO! They are much appreciated by the white people of this country, because they take the work, and they walk with it, meaning that we respect their efforts, and if we don't thank them, it is simply because we are just so suffering as whites at a different level, but it is all caused by this situation of which whites have no control over, perhaps one day, we will get their vote, and together we can make a life for their children, unlike the ANC that make the white males to be the snakes, but now the real snake had lifted, and raised its ugly racist head, and the truth is raining BRICKS!

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-08-22 07:13

    Eish how degrading........what the ANC will do for votes. Instead of begging they should start laying down the law so that something like this never happens again. In future, no protestors or strikers may carry weapons when engaging on a strike. They may not burn trash or destroy public property or they will be JAILED. Unions must have proof they have gone to all lengths and exhausted all the channels for wage negotions before engaging on a strike. Unions may not encroach on another unions territory, these are just some of the guidelines that they should be working on........begging is not the answer, that admitting that there very own police force was at fault. Who in the police force would want to work for this government put their lives at risk and you get sold out to an unruly mob for.......yes wait for it...A VOTE. Absolutely degrading and disgusting for a country that has no control on anything anymore. We are in the pits.

      Nadia de Lange - 2012-08-22 07:26

      I am disgusted by the way in which this is being handled by the political parties. The miners are solely to blame for this, actions have consequences, and although it might be tragic that bloodshed had to be the consequence of this, this would either have led to the bloodshed of innocent civilians and policemen, or these rampaging miners. Now everyone's giving these barbarians the power by begging for forgiveness. Pathetic!

  • Nadia de Lange - 2012-08-22 07:13

    According to our constitution the strikers were in the wrong, regardless of whether or not they shot first. They have the right to strike, but the responsibility to do it peacefully. They were armed and in no way peaceful. They should take responsibility for this, they're human beings with their own brains, they should know that killing and threatening police is not going to end well for them. It's ridiculous that the blame is being pushed to everyone and every party except the actual miners themselves.

  • ashleigh.m.miller - 2012-08-22 07:14

    Why exactly are you begging forgiveness. Would they beg forgiveness if there were 34 Police officers dead. NO they wouldn't. it would all be part of the "Struggle" What Rubbish. They got what they deserved. You talk about bread winners, were those bread winners thinking of their families when they went to attack the Police. NO, they weren't. I am ashamed to be South African. We can't even defend what was right. The Police Minister isn't defending his staff by begging forgiveness.

  • robaddinall - 2012-08-22 07:25

    As all of you sit behind your computers, argueing about who knows what, the problems is still on going. Firstly you need to look at both side, for one the goverment needs to find the person responsible for sending the poor guys in a drugged up rage to storm into n crowd of police. ( And if any of you can truly say that you would not open fire if you where standing the in police shoes ) then you are lying. Secondly the strike has nothing to do with race, it's about money. Between a london based company and there workers. So please keep the i am white or i am black out of it. unless you live in a communist country you work for what you have, plain and simple. You go to school and you try and make it thru. Then you go and try and get a job, if you have the right attitude you will find one and make something of it. Once there you keep studying and keep working and if you lucky you pay for a house and save a little money for when you to old to work the grind anymore. World wide there are old people that buys canned dog food as it is cheaper then meat to survive. There is still a big problem heading our way. The cost of living is steaply on the rise in the world. Basic food items are getting more and more expensive. We are soon going to pay R12+ a liter of petrol, That has a huge snow ball effect, Then our beloved toll roads, another snowball effect. So before you go and say well because i am this colour look around you. And ask where is the money going.

      devenjoey.theron - 2012-08-22 12:41

      well, let me tell you, the other day there was xenophobia violence. Our Rock Drill Operators, are treated in the exact manner. We have to get these victims to unite in a front against the deterioration of our people. Not even in apartheid did we ever killed our workforce that was unhappy, but we did try to help them by giving them a stable economy, and our farmers always sent food to our neighboring countries, so that workers are not being exploited. We need the support of our Rock Drill Operators, because us whites are also suffering at a different level in this country. Apartheid will never happen again, so grieved people must lash out, and vote for those that can understand. Together we can move forward. What rainbow did the Mandela regime promised us. We had burnt the bridges behind us, because we trusted the ANC. Its time that the people of the eastern cape unite,with us, the northern cape, and our impi's, so we can fight this injustice. You cannot stay in Africa, without loving the earth, and the people that it brought forward. These people are abusing us with their lust and jealousy, and we will win, and we will be good to our Rock Drill Operators.

  • christian.helberg - 2012-08-22 07:30

    I have no sympathy for the miners at this mine, they got exactly what they deserved. Everyone seems to have forgotten that they murdered ten people a couple of days before they got shot. How many times had the police tried to get them under control, firing rubber bullets etc, and they hacked two security guards and two policemen to death, even animals don’t behave in that manner. If you live by the “panga” don’t cry when you get shot by those who don’t!

      devenjoey.theron - 2012-08-22 12:52

      We have a court to judge people, you cannot do it in a flash of violence, and shoot, because you are afraid. These Rock Drill Operators are friendly people. When you meet them, you will find that they have families, they share their money with many dependents, and they always have a smile on their face, when you talk to them. Perhaps you don't know the people of africa. The traditional people is very good and friendly. Their weopons is only part of their culture. But the ANC turn their back on all of us, they selfishly steal from our tax money that we pay to help to create jobs. You cannot lead in front, if people ask you where we are going, and then lash out to them in a blaze of bullets. You cannot turn your back on people that suffer. It is not Lonmin that create high foodprices, corruption, and no jobs, or burn textbooks, or say sorry...

      christian.helberg - 2012-08-22 13:40

      @Troll "Perhaps you don't know the people of africa" I have lived in Africa my whole life, I know the people of Africa! I dont care how kind and friendly you think the people are, the fact of the matter is that you CANNOT damage property, kill ten people, and open fire on the police without facing the consequences. And dont give me that crap about "weapons being part of their culture" You can try as hard as you like to make excuses for them, the fact is: THERE IS NO EXCUSE! It sounds like you condone this sort of behaviour. If you are shooting at people, they have a right to shoot back and defend themselves, dont even try and convince us that you would stand and let a mob of armed thugs hack at you or shoot at you, without trying to defend yourself. here are the facts, if you are interested: it appears now that there is evidence that the miners actually opened fire on the police first:

  • rita.jaquire - 2012-08-22 07:36

    WTF? Apologising for what? Police doing their job?

  • petrus.kok.1 - 2012-08-22 07:37

    and what about the two murdered police officers - no regret there are they?

  • richard.barrett.739 - 2012-08-22 07:44

    so we say sorry for doing the right thing ,the police did there jobs well, sorry but the ANC is who you voted for , now you dont get what you want and say you wont vote for them again , woohoo some sense coming out your mouths

  • darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-08-22 07:45

    @Claudia Usually your comments are well thought out...but this has the tinge of Julius about it...insulting other people's intelligence just because they have another view is inane and childish...they are real people who also get hungry and cold and feel pain over loss regardless as to why it happens...while your view is your is both unhelpful and insulting to all South Africans...we never agreed to be the world's leading intellectual ubermenchen…rather stick to what you are good at...assessing the macro position and coming up with alternatives that are helpful.

  • vloftie - 2012-08-22 07:52

    And non of these politicians says anything about the dead police officers... Should there not be an apology for their deaths too??? They were killed first...

  • dolce.mapheto - 2012-08-22 07:58

    claudia fessachione Honestly if you think ur tax contribution means people should be on their kness begging you for forgiveness, then you must be smoking something. Attacking and insulting and soundong very bitter doesnt make you sound in any way more intelligent than those miners. Attack the problem and not individuals, your type blames BLACK AFRICANS for all the problems in our land and SWEETY there was lots of groups of "thugs with the collective IQ of a brick" during Jan Smuts Goverment and many of them still roaming around. We see lazy white people on each robot, street corner begging and begging, rather beg is that what Jan Smuts taught them?.... The main problem is puppet alliance Government putting all kinds of pro labour legislation in place, where it is virtually imposisble to fire under performing staff, companies have been forced to survive by placating NUM and a comfortable co-existence has evolved. Crispen Chinguno has hit the nail on the head, however, when he points out that resorting to violence and guerilla tactics has given opposing unions such as Amcu the means to extract better settlements from employers, leaving workers with little alternative but to join the fray or face a dirt nap themselves. It is not enough for Lonmin simply to call in the police - they and Government need to take a hard look at the living conditions of miners, and for that to be possible, Nedlac needs to be revitalised or replaced urgently. you dont sound like your I.Q

  • guy.snelling.3 - 2012-08-22 08:00

    Did someone beg for forgiveness for hackingto death the two police officers last week?

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-08-22 08:13

    Please tell me she did not beg to these numbsculls.

  • Phumlani Madlala - 2012-08-22 08:34

    morning everybody,i think she asked for forgiveness so that she can ve their attention,it is said that you cannot argue with a fool if she did not practice peace we were gonna label her as another Malema,on the other side one said that they were given remedy for protection against the police they were told not to go back they must confront them,so a sober mind can figure out the intentions of the miners on that day,may be the muthi was for the rubber bullets not the live ammunition

  • customdesign - 2012-08-22 09:01

    They should hold the witch doctor to account as well.

  • Desilusionada - 2012-08-22 10:46

    @craig.demontfortbraganca Some people react with epithets when angry, rather than inciting violence on cardboard offering rewards for Policemen killed. Sometimes the truth is reflected off the behaviour, whilst the expression thereof results in stark pictures penned. How can you take the country back? You (collectively) already have it sans law and order, with all the attendant laws and regulations and best-in-the-world Constitution. Stop being angry at ghosts and blaming others when the constitution is too uneducated to make informed voters choices.....

  • sarel.brits - 2012-08-22 11:31

    LOL O!!! How the ANC chickens are coming back to roost, a violent knife wielding mob under the cover of a democratic protest.