Minister unapologetic over remarks

2012-12-10 22:17

Cape Town - Agriculture Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson remained unapologetic on Monday about controversial remarks she made to striking Western Cape farmworkers.

Replying in writing to a parliamentary question, Joemat-Pettersson said her call for all criminal charges against the striking workers to be dropped was justified.

"Each and every criminal case or charge that was laid against a farm worker must be withdrawn," she was quoted as saying while addressing thousands of workers in De Doorns last month.

Several workers were arrested during the violent strike.

Democratic Alliance MP Debbie Schafer asked Joemat-Pettersson on what grounds she thought farmworkers should not be arrested and prosecuted for criminal actions.

On Monday, she replied that in some cases protest action would include behaviour which could be seen as "lawless".

"This however does not make such behaviour illegal. I would not want to see farm workers victimised or arrested for such behaviour, even where it may appear to be lawless, and my comments were made in this light."

Joemat-Pettersson then drew a distinction between the terms "lawless" and "illegal", which are synonyms.

"Where an action is illegal, and the culprits can be identified, the necessary steps must be taken by the police."

She said she would be sticking to her guns on the issue.

"Exhibiting lawless behaviour is not a criminal offence, although certain actions may be," said Joemat-Pettersson.

Earlier on Monday, the DA said that it had written to the Public Protector Thuli Madonsela to probe the conduct of Joemat-Pettersson based on her controversial comments.

"The minister wilfully condoned violence and made irresponsible public promises. This kind of behaviour is unbecoming of a government minister," Democratic Alliance spokesperson Annette Steyn said.

Madonsela's office was not immediately able to confirm receipt of the DA's request.

Steyn said Joemat-Pettersson had contravened the Executive Ethics Act, which set out a code of conduct for Cabinet ministers.

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-12-10 22:25

    But "lawless behaviour" by its very description implies illegal activity. She must be mad!

      lownabester - 2012-12-10 22:39

      Tina (Lots of botox in those lips) you are stupid. Agree, Sharon, she is insane. Too much taxpayers money gone to her head.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-10 23:17

      Now we understand why it is acceptable for government to get involved with certain "lawless" acts - because it is not "illegal". Well SA, we have finally received our answer!!! Nitwit!!!

      chris.barton.1690 - 2012-12-11 00:29

      Well, she painted herself into a corner with those remarks. And this is why the country is going down the drain and our currency plummeting against the dollar at a rate of knots... This is what happens when you appoint a person to a position of power with an IQ akin to the year of her birth. Truly shocking

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-12-11 04:47

      another brain dead comment from an cANCer member.this is why soth africa is F%^&CKED.

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-11 06:05

      Maybe she is the "refugee" they talk about from the Eastern Cape.....of Pluto.

      walter.o.latham - 2012-12-11 06:12

      Like many of these ANC ministers, she rather fancies herself as a legal expert who has the ability to over rule the law! She has no right whatsoever to interfere with legal processes, no matter what. If this sort of thing is allowed to continue, it will lead to anarchy. Bitch!

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-11 06:34

      Why doesn't someone give this excuse of a minister a "lawless" snotklap to wake her up..............

      shaun.miekle - 2012-12-11 06:35

      How does she straighten her hair?

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-11 06:56

      The only progressive item this Individual has been successful at it her thriving culture of female candidiasis. Where you these Comrades come from???.......Do us a favour and jump into the chummed waters off the coast of Hui Gaeb ( That's the correct name for Capetown )

      yrhonour.honour - 2012-12-11 06:58

      She's a F.... IDIOT

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-11 07:03

      Lawless behaviour is maybe something that is difficult to prosecute, but not voilence,and destruction of property e.g. burning down vinyards. You need to have criminal tendencies to condone such acts. There you have it minister

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-12-11 07:08

      Joemat - you are an 1mbec1l..! And just want to know - that fur that she has around her neck - is that real fur? spca??? anyone??? So if I act lawless it is not really illegal? lawLESS by it;s definition means without LAW! So they are acting in terms that are without LAW in their sight, thus making them unlawful, and not abiding by the law! HENCE - NOT LEGAL, ILLEGAL, and as such it needs LEGAL ATTENTION!!! Such as taking them to the slammer..!

      gerasimos.komnenus - 2012-12-11 07:19

      Malema's illegitimate daughter?

      clivegoss - 2012-12-11 07:40

      Dont insult madness.Nothing wrong with a little controlled madness, however she is INSANE !!!

      gideon.walt - 2012-12-11 08:32

      Its like being in primary school and the public protector has to take care of everyone's problems! Grow up and start thinking before you make rediculously retarded public statements.

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-12-10 22:31

    Makes sense, very arrogant woman.

  • ianingwe - 2012-12-10 22:38

    The pot cannot call the kettle black! The minister has allegedly been "lawless" in her dealings with state resources!

  • bennie.kruger.5 - 2012-12-10 22:38

    Die minister se tor is van die prop af !!!

      john.morreira.9 - 2012-12-11 06:56

      LMAO. Ek stem saam Bennie.

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-12-10 22:42

    Stop embarrassing yourself woman.

      Jaap - 2012-12-11 06:46

      Only a person with a value system en principle is able to be embarrassed. Maybe the saying is true - "I have principles but if you don't like it I have other principles" Without the farmers one can't become fat!

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-11 07:34

      Stop embarrassing us all....

  • lesia.mohale - 2012-12-10 22:43

    Our leaders must take care of our funds. If they would fail to do it, who else will?

  • freddie.jones.58367 - 2012-12-10 22:44

    What is she smoking?

      Desilusionada - 2012-12-10 23:12

      Specially grown for her in Pretoria by an ex Somali prisoner. The 'shrooms are for extra kick. Heaven help us if she is NOT on something.......

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-11 07:05

      I believe tik screwes with your mind. Bad news that stuff

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-11 07:06

      I think she must have been sharing with Tony Ehrinreich

  • thomas.visser.12 - 2012-12-10 22:45

    Hier is maar min komentaar. Wys jou. Behandel haar met die minagting wat sy verdien

  • nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-12-10 22:45

    anarchic/lawless or defiant of law - A president who invoke lawless strikes. How insane... or is this 'normal' in Africa?.

  • don.frost.581 - 2012-12-10 22:46

    More insanity from the gang that brought you "Marikana!"

  • rian.dejager.3 - 2012-12-10 22:58

    Vavi (Cosatu) said corrupt minister should resign from their posts. I Tina does the honorable thing and resign... Or will she also be ignored by our corrupt president, who should also resign? You are a shame to this country...

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-12-10 22:58

    God help us all if someone in power starts making these sort of statements. A president with no formal education should be an indication of how SA is being led after all.

  • ernest.letsoalo - 2012-12-10 22:58

    Minister,don't play dumb with us,crime is crime and can't be justifiable..

  • grant.montgomery.5074 - 2012-12-10 23:02

    I wonder if the ministers comments make sence even to her. There must be a reason why Zuma doesn't fire her I hpoe we find out soon.

      john.lonsdale.5 - 2012-12-11 06:25

      He's giving her one!

  • annette.vorster.54 - 2012-12-10 23:07

    Her story is reminiscent of Mama Africa's Sarafina, Angies explánation of school results and Zumas lies about everything! . . . . John Vorster

  • Desilusionada - 2012-12-10 23:10

    I wonder if she knows that the material inside her head is to think with. Instead of keeping her ears apart.......

  • peet.dames - 2012-12-10 23:10

    That is what happen if you allow a under educated, morally deprived, self serving the wright to spend and to be corrupt and get away with it like the rest of the ANC she becomes just more confident to open her big mouth even further but intelligence in what she is saying is avoiding her

  • denise.wilshire - 2012-12-10 23:12

    What a stupid comment. For someone in such high office to make such rash comments, sets a very dangerous premise for our country. How can you make laws for some and not for others. This country is a ticking time bomb. Fire Tina immediately for her reckless comments or if you prefer for her total lack of expertise and vision as the Minister of Agriculture. Oh! Sorry we cannot do this ( I forgot) as she is JZ's close friend!

  • ben.nevis.906 - 2012-12-10 23:25

    Tina, you must really focus...

  • - 2012-12-10 23:35

    Wat sal ons nie doen vir stemme nie!!! Is sy bang sy verloor haar posisie!! Die ANC staan mos nie sterk in die Kaap nie !!! Is hierdie sogenaamde "strike"dus nie 'n doelbewuste poging van die ANC lede in die Kaap om te sê Öns sit darem nie stil nie!!! ) Zuma mag dalk begin vra: Wat het julle gedoen om die ANC te laat groei!! Die stem is dan verdeel vir presidentskap in die Kaap!! Vir R 60,000 - R100.000 per maand, is jou gewete nie een wat plae nie!!! As ek nog kan vlieg ook met my oppasser en kinders!!

  • mynhardt.johan - 2012-12-10 23:53

    Fail... "Exhibiting lawless behaviour is not a criminal offence, although certain actions may be," is like saying "I'll drink some water because H2O tastes different".

  • asdhasgd - 2012-12-10 23:57

    "Exhibiting lawless behaviour is not a criminal offence, although certain actions may be," said Joemat-Pettersson. ok, so i'll go and "pretend" to burn down a farm but you cant arrest me because it's not lawless!! do you understand how retarded that sounds??

  • alan.yates.18007 - 2012-12-11 00:00

    I'm so glad that I'm DA. Otherwise I would be worn out by now after attempting to justify 20 years of mismanagement, corruption, and dishonesty.

  • norman.buchalter - 2012-12-11 00:11

    If this is democracy a la the a n c , I think we need to bring back the dark ages or even the middle ages where we could line up stupid politicians in stocks or the pillories, and throw overripe fruit at them until they repented.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-11 08:30

      These things cannot repent...too thick...

  • kingsley.lonkokile - 2012-12-11 00:45

    Ai ai ai, DA is now beginning to bore me, I know they mean well, but you can't take every issue to the Public Protector, the office is under staffed and overworked. Let's give them time to respond on Nkandla issue and all this big issues that have been coming to them, one step at a time please. I believe there are many other issues that don't show up in the media that the public protector needs to deal with. Its Public Protector not DA protector, I love DA and its the best opposition party SA needs right now, but this is getting out of hand, if you don't like what the Minister said, there are other channels to get this dealt with. Please!!!!

      melusi.myaluza - 2012-12-11 00:56

      Well said,only if the DA listens...........

      Heibrin - 2012-12-11 01:16

      Kingsley, the other channels you are talking about IS the public protector!! Normal channels would have been to go through parliamentary process, however with the Speaker shooting down every request by the DA they have no other choice but to approach the public protector.

      john.rhodes.12576 - 2012-12-11 05:52

      So because the Public Protector is very busy, then we must prioritise?? Wow! I think a better plan would be to increase the size of the public protectors office. Seems like we need it in South Africa with these idiots running our country!

  • phil.laing.7 - 2012-12-11 01:09

    This women is just simply put"Stupid" She is clearly illiterate and also doesn't care how much of the tax payers money she spends on luxury amd unnecessary accommodation.

  • ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-12-11 01:43

    haha what a stupid woman. typical ANC amoeba

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-12-11 01:55

    Dancing on the head of a pin, Tina. Nobody is charged for doing something "lawless" until it crosses the line into being ILLEGAL. And there can be no dropping of legal charges against someone who broke the law.

  • phillys.winterbottom - 2012-12-11 01:58

    look at the picture........ so we have half of the act, now where is that organ grinder to complete the entourage.....................

  • Terence Hermanus - 2012-12-11 02:22

    cANCer has ethics...? isnt that a contradiction in terms....?

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-12-11 02:27

    Gamat Petterssen WTF are you about !?

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-12-11 02:53

    Pieterson is an embarrasment to the ANC and shuld be recalled! She must just focus on being a wedding planner for Jacob Zuma and quite politics!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-11 08:24

      Not recalled, FIRED !!....

  • Erna - 2012-12-11 03:38

    And this is someone who earns millions, is in charge of a section of the economy, and has enormous power - the mind boggles. A very good example of cadre deployment which is not working.

  • sergio.o.williams - 2012-12-11 03:59

    Ai meisie wat praat jy alles, jy behoort te besef dus jou laaste 5 jaar die, dus nie meer nodig om in te kruip nie!

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-12-11 04:36

      Dink haar kop sit teen die tyd al te lank vas daaronder Zuma se _ _ _ !

  • liezl.haramis.7 - 2012-12-11 04:06

    What a moron!!!

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-12-11 05:07

    This woman is pathetically stupid for someone in her position. Scary to think about the responsibility that these ministers hold.

  • stephen.king.900 - 2012-12-11 05:13

    GOD help our beutifull country and rid us of this brainless trash

  • kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-12-11 05:47

    Again another incompetent cadre appointment - her lack of capacity effects the economy negatively and impacts on service delivery to all citizens...!

  • kurt.landsberg - 2012-12-11 05:54

    Weak irresponsible leadership. If you encourage lawlessness you are a criminal too.

  • Neil Alberts - 2012-12-11 06:16

    fire her, she supports criminal activity!!

  • khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-11 06:23

    There goes the DA agen, if its not sprinting to the court it gallops to madonsela's office, when are they doing their job? Or is this sprinting and gallopping their only given jobs?

      nick.tarr.39 - 2012-12-11 07:15

      If they dont hold the ANC accountable for its actions... who will? Carry on DA force these ANC goons to step carefully.

  • Julia Griffiths - 2012-12-11 06:24

    Maturity is'nt her strongest ability let alone her ability. ANC should set up & discipline their members because they dont & will not ANC is also toothless & ïnmature poor leadership

  • hotazhel - 2012-12-11 06:36

    when in doubt - "Google" it - lawlessness - a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government); illegality as a consequence of unlawful acts; defiance of the law - unlawfulness by virtue of violating some legal statute

  • peter.jordaan.5 - 2012-12-11 06:42

    As is official policy in the ANC open your mouth with out engaging your head, or do things first then think about them afterwards. When questioned afterwards about that they turn around and say that the media is not friendly ... duh!!! And then she wants to be a minister ... disgraceful.

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-12-11 06:46

    What a stupid minister, now trying to defend lawlessness in order gain favour with illegal strikers. She should not even be in cabinet never mind government.

  • breinlekkasie.dodelikegif - 2012-12-11 06:47

    I wonder what is going through the minds of people like Tina when they encourages crime and destroy the spirit of corporation? Is it just a propaganda tool to gain support for the next elections?

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-12-11 06:58

    Joemat se moer.

  • jaun.lombard.9 - 2012-12-11 07:05

    cant the strikers just burn her while they are striking ?

  • russmoss - 2012-12-11 07:12

    Once again we see irresponsible statements made by irresponsible and juvinile ministers . What would of happened if the farm owners behaved in the same manner as the workers . Would she of had the same response

  • russmoss - 2012-12-11 07:21

    Is this Minister think she can rewrite the law to suite her immature and irresponsible comments . What an excuse for a Minister