Month-end hearings for Malema, Shivambu

2011-08-19 20:01

Johannesburg - The disciplinary hearings of ANC Youth League president Julius Malema and spokesperson Floyd Shivambu will take place on August 30 and 31.

"The dates that have been established... are the 30th and the 31st of August, which we believe gives them adequate opportunity to prepare themselves for the case," ANC national disciplinary committee chairperson Derek Hanekom told eNews on Friday.

"The members have already been informed of their rights under the [party's] constitution, including their right to appeal whatever the outcome of the hearing might be.

"These matters will again be presented to the charged members... so, as the charged member sits in front of us he will be informed of his rights, and the charges will be presented to him, and then the charges will be dealt with in more detail by those that have levelled the charges," Hanekom told the broadcaster.

Malema and Shivambu would be "charged individually".

"The member then will be given the opportunity to counter those charges, or to defend themselves against those charges, and at the end of the day there will be a ruling by the national disciplinary committee as a whole.

Hanekom in an earlier statement confirmed the ANC - through its national officials - on Friday served charges on the two over comments made about Botswana.

The national officials include ANC president Jacob Zuma, deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe, secretary general Gwede Mantashe, his deputy Thandi Modise, treasurer general Mathews Phosa and chairperson Baleka Mbete.

"Both... have been charged with various violations of the ANC constitution, including bringing the ANC into disrepute through his utterances and statements on Botswana and sowing divisions in the ranks of the African National Congress."

Malema and Shivambu would be entitled to representation by an ANC member in good standing.

"We are not commenting on that... we are not commenting on that at all," Shivambu said.

Malema recently said the league would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and help bring about regime change. It believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

The ANC publicly rebuked the league. The league in turn said it did not believe it was in the wrong or going against ANC policy. It expressed disappointment at being publicly rebuked before the matter had been internally discussed.

Mantashe said the league's challenging the ruling party publicly was a "serious transgression".

On Saturday the ANCYL withdrew the statement on Botswana and apologised to its ruling body.

  • Rok - 2011-08-19 20:07

    The swallows are happy at last, but they cnt win...the gods will defend the son of the soil and we will voice for your defend Juju the President.

      Grant - 2011-08-19 20:14

      Then Rok you had best be starting a new opposition political party and win a national election because they are history in the ANC.

      Kevin - 2011-08-19 20:14

      I wish I could give you a THOUSAND thumbs down you ignoramus - you have been brainwashed by a pea-brain

      I Like Everything - 2011-08-19 20:17

      I like when people reply to trolls.. Therefore I like everyone who replies to Rok

      Macho Mike - 2011-08-19 20:21

      Malema and Shivambu - i seem to recall that these were the names of the two warthogs in some Lion King movie or other. Time for them to be roasted.

      EuropeanAfrican - 2011-08-19 20:21

      Rok. I always knew that Julius Malema supporters are as thick as concrete but you take the cake for moron of the year! You must be one stupid mother @#$%^&!

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-19 20:33

      Lol@Rok The moment Juju stands for president, the ANC vote will collapse to 40% - mainly the unemployed support Juju as they think he will give them free minerals!

      czovczov - 2011-08-19 20:57

      Chickens have come to roost. ANC needs to take a stand against idiot-ism and chuck these two trouble makers out. They have had their 15 minutes of fame, now its time for a lifetime of shame. Let the liberals take charge and implement policies that do not destroy the economy as a whole. I bet Malema does not even know what Nationalisation means. If Cuba, China & Russia are running away from socialism, what makes you think it will succeed here? Capitalism is the way to go. Socialism promotes corruption, laziness, inefficiency and total failure.

      Christelle - 2011-08-19 21:00

      Which gods??? There is only one God and I cannot believe that He agrees with the hatred that Malema is sowing! And the false promises etc etc. Rok, what do you actually believe Malema will give you? I would love to hear your answer

      Not Black - 2011-08-19 21:12

      ROK, Seems you are enjoying the ride or breeze on the ANC Gravy Train. If Juju become President, then you will become the QUEEN of MONGOLIA. Dream on..... YOu AGENT.

      ZA_R - 2011-08-19 21:44

      Rok ...names suits you well, now please go and hide underneath the rock you crawled out from, Down with Malema...down down down.

      Nikki - 2011-08-19 22:07

      ...been playing too much God of War on your playstation there Rok? "... the gods will defend the son of the soil...the swallows are happy"?? Ha-ha-ha-ha! This is Sparta!!! ;-)

      braamc - 2011-08-19 22:32

      The gods must be crazy

      Alan - 2011-08-20 03:15

      Hey Rok... you may have left school after grade 3 but you talk like someone who is still in grade one.. You dont make any sense at all

  • PinkAndProud - 2011-08-19 20:12

    I sincerely hope that Fatboy and SnakeEyes are going down. The majority of South Africa are sick and tired of these evil twins.

      vegetarian - 2011-08-19 20:40

      Majority, what majority. The majority is actually against what you wish for.

      czovczov - 2011-08-19 21:02

      Malema's plan to hoodwink the masses with pretensions of socialism while he dines and wines with capitalism seem to have hit a brick wall. I love it when an ill-conceived plan falls apart.

  • Die Bees - 2011-08-19 20:30

    What happened to 'The YL is independant and not answering to the ANC?'. Talk about double standards.

  • blanco_pta - 2011-08-19 20:50

    If the case will be fair, the ruling should be "dismissal" as Malema is already on a two year suspended condemnation. If he gets dismissed, then it will be "wrong turn" in the political landscape. ANC will experience a serious fraction. So, what should be done to Malema?

  • Johan Erasmus - 2011-08-19 20:51

    It would be nice to hear "today Julius Malema and Floyd Shabamvu will start their life sentences for inciting the murder of all the 4000+ racially motivated farm murders"

  • maseratifitt - 2011-08-19 20:57

    "ANC charges Malema with misconduct" He doesn't need to be charged any more. He was fully charged a long time ago. It is now time for a discharge.

  • czovczov - 2011-08-19 20:57

    Chickens have come to roost. ANC needs to take a stand against idiot-ism and chuck these two trouble makers out. They have had their 15 minutes of fame, now its time for a lifetime of shame. Let the liberals take charge and implement policies that do not destroy the economy as a whole. I bet Malema does not even know what Nationalisation means. If Cuba, China & Russia are running away from socialism, what makes you think it will succeed here? Capitalism is the way to go. Socialism promotes corruption, laziness, inefficiency and total failure.

  • Sinudeity - 2011-08-19 20:58

    Only people in the ANC, care about their 'internal hearings'. Im looking forward to the public protector probe.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-19 21:07

      Hello ... nice to see you've migrated here too.

  • Rupesh - 2011-08-19 21:00

    " It expressed disappointment at being publicly rebuked before the matter had been internally discussed." What about the ANCYL's not discussing Botswana in the internal structure of the ANC before publically embarrassing his party to the outside world. It takes two to tango. I hope they bring him. I hope Zuma realises these two are the most dangerous to his presidency.

  • Sky - 2011-08-19 21:08

    Watch your back Mr Zuma. I think allot of people wants to see if you have what it takes. Perhaps when all this cleaning up is over we, the people in this country will take hands again. Malema caused a deep devide, and allot of damage. It might take time to heal. Ps. Don't forget about the snake Sexwale......

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-08-19 21:14

    I would like to see a little more seriousness in the comments. This issue is a crisis point for the parent organisation in terms of how it effectively deals with it and more importantly seen to be dealing with it. Botswana our neighbour has been stable since the time of Sir Seretse Khama and resisted at that time the efforts of the Soviet in both Lusaka and Gaberone to create a new leader (Kenneth Khoma paid by the Soviet)to lead a political Party favouring the Soviet and/ANC. A project at that time created by Vasilly Solidovnikov Soviet Ambassador Lusaka. Malema is following that old Communist line with his ANCYL and directly interfering with the politics/policy of a friendly government. An interesting problem now exists for the ANC, who are not known for punishing their own for wrongdoing, no matter how serious the offence.

      Sky - 2011-08-19 21:21

      Michael, allot of people will probably swear me for this, but the ANC did not get where they are by being stupid. The leadership of the ANC are highly intelligent, and that is where most of us makes the mistake. They know what is going on. And they will sort it out. Malema was given enough rope, and now he has hanged himself.

      maseratifitt - 2011-08-19 21:29

      Seriously, Michael. Embarrassing the ANC is classified as wrongdoing. Crimes committed by the ANC against the people of SA is not considered wrongdoing. So, seriously, how can anyone take the ANC seriously?

      realist - 2011-08-20 07:33

      Sky to call the anc leadership as 'highly intelligent' is melodramatic and stupid. They are sly politicians who have been taught well by their masters, North Korea and Russia. Read The People's War for more information on the anc tactics and history.

  • Blue - 2011-08-19 21:20

    Ag you all reeeaaally believe that the anc is going do anything other than give these two a small, slight, slap on their wrists?

  • Tomas - 2011-08-19 21:21

    Precious! Malema is to be tried by a white man!! The very race he hates.

      realist - 2011-08-20 07:35

      Yes, and the white man will never find malenema guilty. He is too weak and scared.

  • Wayne - 2011-08-19 21:32

    Before we assume that we have seen the last of these two nebulous lunatics... remember that the ANC has a poor track record of actually implementing meaningful sanction on so many more serious transgressions... Winnie, Shabir to name just two who are found to be criminally negligent but are penalised so lightly... I wait for the outcome but I'm not holding my breath... I dare the ANC to surprise me !!!

      Sky - 2011-08-19 21:42

      You are right Wayne. Let us wait and see. Things cannot go on like this, we are wasting too much time and energy on hating each other.

  • Kalla - 2011-08-19 21:39

    I think this might be a watershed case for Mr.Zuma it could determine the future of our beautiful country.

      maseratifitt - 2011-08-19 21:58

      Watershed case? Are you suggesting another shower?

  • Nipcat - 2011-08-19 21:45

    @vege - which doesn't say much for the majority's brain power!

  • eradingoana - 2011-08-19 21:46

    Oh! You know what decision will the DC take? It will just give the two thugs return tickets, meaning they can just expel them and place someone on appeal board to return them with complete clearance. If these charges were really, Malema and Shivhambu would be history in the ANC just like Lehlogonolo whom they expelled even before hearing. No one would discipline juju, he has a very hidden secret that cannot be afforded exposure.

  • Monica - 2011-08-19 21:53

    Nothing will come of this as Malema and Zuma is one of a kind. Just to en-rich themselves and want the white people to bow down to them. Even if you build your own company in Sout Africa; you have to obey to affirmative action and can not choose the best person for the job; even when there are so few white people in the country! Affirmative action have caused white; educated people to be without employment; when you have black teachers employed with only a matric certificate. Mr Zuma; take away you apartheid once and forever and sort out your tender fraud in government and remove affirmative action that I can find employment!

      Sky - 2011-08-19 22:12

      Monica, I know for a fact that Mr Zuma have personnaly a genuine concern for job creation. If every breadwinner in SA had a job, would we still be fighting? Now, allot of people can't find work, young people with absolutely NO hope. So what happens next? Opportunists like Malema steps up and say the things they want to hear. He gives them (false) hope and in doing so cause so much damage to this country that it sets us back even more. We should all live in this country and have equal opportunities. I hear you.

      realist - 2011-08-20 07:39

      Monica even previous domestic workers who can barely read and write have become teachers to fill vacancies. The anc will not appoint whites so they will find anyone, regardless of their qualifications. Can you see why this country is in such a mess? The civil war is approaching fast.

  • Heaven.Tux - 2011-08-19 22:02

    Nock nock in prison's door for malema, yo days r numbrd

  • Monica - 2011-08-19 22:13

    It is time that you send both of these people to Robben Island and let them start their own country on the Island as the tender fraud have just become too much! The are stealing from the poor!

  • MarkL - 2011-08-19 22:20

    This is all theatrics for the media, the ANC depend way too much on the YL vote to ever cause a true rift. In fact I am very sure and so are many others that Julius operates on que's from the ANC to press issue that they can't be seen to push. Who cares anyway what they have to say to the so called youth wing, in reality these "kids" (some almost 40) are not elected or have any mandate. The only reason we are so obsessed with seeing them punished is because of the corrupt way the influence to spend of tax payers money. Obviously the ANC has now removed all of the independent bodies that can hold them to justice. So dead end again. The only effective body, the scorpions, got killed the minute Zuma walk into office.

      Sky - 2011-08-19 22:33

      Mark, you are right, but think about this - Say the ANC manage to get rid of this Malema, there will have to be a new ANCYL leader. It will then be up to this person to engage the youth to secure the YL vote. If the new leader is the right person, this can easilly be done. I personnaly can see a young black girl doing this with ease.

      MarkL - 2011-08-20 04:12

      Not sure I follow your point Sky - they ANCY is a militant brigade that feeds on the hopes of uneducated, poor, jobless youth. A T-Shirt is normally enough to secure support. If Malema ever goes you'll probably see the ANC crumble first. Enrichment is their ultimate goal sofrom a leadership perspective it's not going to be in their interest to rock the boat that much.

  • Garth - 2011-08-19 22:25

    Q: How does Malema change a light bulb ??? A: He turns it counterrevolutionary and says these magic words "you bloody agent"

  • braamc - 2011-08-19 22:32

    "The members have already been informed of their rights under the [party's] constitution, including their right to appeal whatever the outcome of the hearing might be. Almost like your right to appeal is where the process is going. None of these criminal politicians end up in jail or off course without an income for months/years, still living the life.

      Sky - 2011-08-19 22:48

      Braam, it shows that they are following due process. Thats a good sign...(Not so good for Malema though)

  • Tired - 2011-08-19 22:37

    I think it's the fist time in History were people will look forward to more than there monthly salary at the end of the month!!! lol

  • Janine - 2011-08-19 23:06

    I really wish that these hearings would be televised although I know that there is zero chance of it actually happening. Would love to watch Julius and F***loyd frantically trying to backtrack. I imagine there will be a few "it was taken out of context" responses!

      realist - 2011-08-20 07:42

      I wonder who does the bending, jules or floyd or both.

  • Alan - 2011-08-20 03:18

    Rok .. You spell your name wrong.. should be rock cos thats how thick you are. You might have passed grade 3 at the second try but you still talk like a grade one... geat a life man!

  • Baas Frik - 2011-08-20 03:30

    His days are counted. He is currently under a warning suspended for two years that if he is found guilty his ANC membership will be suspended. I wonder who will be the next President of yhe ANCYL.

  • Die Bees - 2011-08-20 09:29

    They are going to get a slap on the wrist.

  • Da.Liva.Delvira - 2011-08-20 12:29

    I don't know if I'm right, but at least Zuma is NOT a racist. He may be yellow-bellied when it comes to Malema, but at least he AINT a racist...

  • struth - 2011-08-20 20:40

    And Blah blah blah blah blah! What a load of utter rubbish, Hanekom has been put out to dry to defend the ANC! He had better start looking for a new post soon, he will soon be history, the ANC are using him as cannon fodder against the ANCYL! Watch the next news report from the ANCYL about the white anti revolutionist within the ANC, it is coming folks.

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