Motlanthe to take on Zuma - reports

2012-12-12 17:25

Johannesburg - Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe will run against President Jacob Zuma at the ANC's national conference in Mangaung, radio stations reported on Wednesday.

SAfm "reliably learnt" that Motlanthe would accept nominations for the top position in the African National Congress.

Reports also said that current ANC treasurer Mathews Phosa had accepted nominations for the position of deputy president.

Phosa told EyeWitness News: "I confirm that I have accepted the nomination... to be a candidate for deputy president."

He said he accepted the nomination out of respect to the ANC branches.

Jacaranda FM on its Twitter page said Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula had also accepted nomination for the position of secretary general.

  • kalabafazi - 2012-12-12 17:28

    I propose a vote of no confidence. Anbody that indecisive about whether to run for nomination is hardly likely to be decisive in matters concerning the coutry.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-12-12 17:56

      He IS brave but in terms of custom and practice in the ANC he apparently has no choice at this late stage. He should have made it clear long ago that he would not be available. Apparently also not permitted practice by the ANC. One can't help but imagine the worst if the voting result is close.

      BulletProof. - 2012-12-12 18:14

      The flies may change but the SH****T will be the same.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-12-12 18:44

      Hi Kalabafazi, The President has spent the last four years preparing for this, in fact that is probably all he has done this last few years, and the branches have been stacked in his favour. In the ANC, he who controls the branches through membership wins. I think his indecision has a lot to do with the knowledge that he has a small chance of victory, knowing that the odds are stacked against him.

      YOUguessed - 2012-12-12 18:55

      It is not a matter of indecisiveness, its a matter of political timing and quite exceptional

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-12-12 18:55

      Hi Delusion and Crracker, I agree that the man has courage. He knows that it is the political wilderness for him should Zuma win. Whether he loses by a big margin or a close one, the ANC is heading for trouble in the next few years. If he loses by a big margin, the chances of many people abandoning the ANC are great. If he loses by a narrow margin the ANC is going to be at war with itself in a big way. For us the problem is that 4000 or so people in this country actually choose the next president of the country, as it is a party that we vote for, not personalities. Some democracy that, 4000 out of 50 million choosing the president, as the majority will still vote ANC out of loyalty and fear. if the vote was all about policy and the parties record the ANC would have lost the last election.

      pedicure.manicure - 2012-12-12 19:00

      @kalabafazi, does silence means indecisive, does boasting readiness for another run means capability#justasking

  • christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-12 17:30

    Now we will see the gloves coming off. This should be fun

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:49

      Bring the popcorn :)

  • queenroxy666 - 2012-12-12 17:31

    from bad to worse!!! GOD do not bless but SAVE SA!!!

  • TsietsiMaruping - 2012-12-12 17:31

    Its about time that the people stand up and eliminate the confusion that existed.

  • debduplessis - 2012-12-12 17:31

    How is he going to run... he was singing Zuma praises last week! or is this just a fronting???

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-12-12 17:41

      he will first join a gym for a couple of fitness lessons, then he will start running supposedly with 2 legs. Those were forced speeches to deliver, dumped upon him by the somebodies in the background - referring to the songs of praise.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-12-12 19:05

      Its all a game. In all of the pictures of them together they appear quite cosy with each other. Behind the scenes I am sure the knives are being drawn. He is going to run and then keep on running. Indeed it would be a political miracle if he won, and he might even save the ANC if that miracle occured

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-12-12 17:32

    We shall see if this is actually true

  • osmaseko - 2012-12-12 17:35

    Should Mothlanthe win my vote goes to ANC should he lose it will go to AZAPO

      musawakhe.ngubane - 2012-12-12 17:50

      He will NEVER win chief! In fact we will be committing political suicide. Comrades in Cosatu were trying to save his day, but he has failed to distance himself from Malema and his friends. I am telling you chief, he is gone!

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:55

      Ngubane, then he and everybody else that are fed up with Showerhead can swell the ranks of the SANC - party that was registered secretely just in case Showerhead's impepho enables him to defeat the forces of change). In that event, the ANC splits in three directions: ANC, COPE, (cANCer as some people here call the current bunch of shameless crooks). That will speed up the death of cANCer, which can only bode well for the country, don't you think :)

  • JanGrimbeek - 2012-12-12 17:37

    dear mr Kgalema Motlanthe, please do not fly in any dakotas (or any other SADF aircraft) or go for any jolly drives in any state sponsored motorcades as from nou untill that day of reckoning.

      john.morreira.9 - 2012-12-12 18:01

      Hey Jan, point of order. Surely you mean SA N DF aircraft?

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-12-12 18:53

      No john, i mean SADF because all the planes in use are coming from that era. And I am not in acourt of law or any official meeting to be called to "point of order" this is an open forum, sort of socail, and you could just say correction, that will do. But if it makes you feel important, good for you !

  • Mphikeleli Naphtal Motha - 2012-12-12 17:38

    No problem for Kgalema Motlanthe taking on Zuma, but as for Phosa in running for deputy, the man has failed Mpumalanga.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-12-12 19:08

      Has anyone other than Madiba and Naledi Pandor, Trevor Manuel and a few others like Kader Asmal ever succeeded in anything in the ANC

  • Bongeka - 2012-12-12 17:38

    Gosh, reshuffling the same fruits from the same bascket is not going to make that bascket look appertising or healthy, but it will still give you the same thing. Recycling is even better than reshuffling. Our leaders have to be tought responsibility and the only way to teach them that is by showing them that they are not irreplacable.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-12 17:46

      You are so right. The ANC has moved so far down the wrong path, they will not be able to turn around by a mere change at the top

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:35

      Agreed once again. The current leadership is entirely responsible for the mess SA is in. Democratic "centralism" or "decisions of the collective" is what the ANC calls its style of governance. Motlhanthe was part of the Cabinet and top 6 that drove SA and continued the slide down the Zimbawe route. Where are young people in their 30s and 40s? Why are we still putting our trust in old men with old outdated mentalities to steer SA into the future when they will not be around in the future!

      Bongeka - 2012-12-12 18:55

      Themba, I told you before that I'm not shaken by external forces but stick to what I believe is right for the people of South Africa.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 19:09

      I'll drink to that mfowethu. Cheers *raising glass* :)

  • freddrickfm - 2012-12-12 17:39

    kgalema kgalema,pls save the country from jz corrupt government,i know zuma has more support but pls try to stop him,i cant stand another term for this man

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-12-12 19:09

      Another term will either explode the ANC or implode it. Either will do

  • andre.j.devilliers - 2012-12-12 17:40

    Sadly both are really bad choices!

      debduplessis - 2012-12-12 17:42

      this is best ANC could do! ... time for a complete party change

      lawrence.smally - 2012-12-12 17:54

      Motlante is much better than man.

  • Francois Petzer - 2012-12-12 17:40

    this is actual good news :)

  • dentamokhabz - 2012-12-12 17:43

    The road has been long, lot happened now the destiny is near, who will be victorious.

  • craig.thom.376 - 2012-12-12 17:43

    The better of two evils ?

  • sonwabo.ndelemane - 2012-12-12 17:45

    Interesting, my money on deputy

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-12-12 17:45

    And all this time,, I thought a poepall was a useful thing.

  • musawakhe.ngubane - 2012-12-12 17:45

    Wrong move! If this is true, the DP has just scored a political own goal. He is history,he will never make it! We have already indicated our intentions: Second term is the ONLY way. As for Phosa: sorry chief, you wrote yourself off the moment you decided to represent ill-disciplined Malema. You are too ambitious, we will not elect you!

      Sibusiso - 2012-12-12 18:20

      Which ANC rules/policy did Phosa break by representing Malema.ANC supporters, I beg u ,learn to understand what democracy is :Freedom to choose,freedom of speech ,association etc

      nicky.saaiman.1 - 2012-12-12 18:29

      Booooooooo never say never

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-12-12 19:28

      You are too ambitious, we will not elect you! Come on man the ambitions of the current president are way off the board. In five years Zuma will retire as president with a palace. He states that the extra facilities are for his presidential bodygaurds etc but when he retires he is going to inherit own private clinic, and all the buildings which are supposed to be for his security personel. Do you really think that he will need all this security when he is no longer president, no they will move on to the next president and he will take ownership of it all for his family, a retirement gift from the tax payers... But then again maybe he is going to need plenty of security to save him from his own supporters

  • salee.sithwell - 2012-12-12 17:47

    Zuma must go. End of story.

  • MrDinwiddie - 2012-12-12 17:47

    Exactly as planned. Get everybody talking and cheering then bam, Zuma is still president after mangaung

  • Madimetsa Mashishi - 2012-12-12 17:52

    thank u mr motlanthe,mr phosa nd mr mbalula 4 accepting dis nd i blv u hv already won de race m 100% bhnd u guys

  • nonofo.marokemosimege - 2012-12-12 17:55

    that is democracy this what Anc fought for kgalema and his core u did a gud din comrades.but pls after mangaung acept the outcomes of democracy pls.I smell the rat.frm deputy president to odinary member from tresurey to ordinary.fikile shame boy.cyril is you time comarade grab it.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-12-12 17:59

    KM is the only hope for the ANC and the country. Zuma will totally destroy and plunder this country into the dirt. Please God he gets rid of Zuma once and for all. The gravy train full of corrupt cadres must be stopped now.

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 18:25

      Yes he might be, but for the ANC to lose power quicker we nee Msholozi to remain at the top. If Motlante wins the ANC will be much stronger than before. The man has got stature and credibility no doubt about that.

  • classwar.trotsky - 2012-12-12 17:59

    The individual is irrelevant. Whoever leads does so as part of the collective. Liberal and capitalist media are more concerned with the superficial.

  • Makgobe Khala Morwamotshe - 2012-12-12 18:00

    we thnx u Mr Motlhantle for accepting nomination,we hope the conference wl come-out wth good leadership of the Organisation*Goodluck

  • thandohtdk.makwakwa - 2012-12-12 18:00

    Motlanthe uryt for the position of being a president but Phosa being a deputy-i don't support that

  • ignatius.ntwampe - 2012-12-12 18:00

    Here comes the winner takes all situation in Mangaung. I have a bad feeling about this, Motlanthe's future in politics either make it or break it.

  • sphamandla.s.ntshangase - 2012-12-12 18:02

    Thanks to accept we were waiting long time so u ready to be defected phosa,mbalula and former depurty president monhlante lol zuma will win u waste your time boys

  • Thabisoul Motsome - 2012-12-12 18:03

    If Motlanthe doesn't win then i'm gonna vote for DA.#MyChoice!!

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 18:11

      Democracy don't work like that, you must not be a member of ANC anyway, if your choice do not win in the DA you are going to vote for the PAC, who are you blackmailing, what you doing is called political prostitution

      sandi.mblashwa - 2012-12-12 18:12

      motlanthe is better than zuma

      Thabisoul Motsome - 2012-12-12 18:18

      @Zulu. who do u bloody think you are?? whether i vote for DA or AZAPO its bloody doesnt concern you. for your info I am an Anc member..#MyChoice @Sandi thats true. we wont allow dictatorship.#Never!!!

      vuyisan - 2012-12-12 18:22

      I used to say that before I came to this forum but reading what people think about blacks here, not a chance.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 18:28

      @Motsome ha ha lol you must be one comrade we won't mind loosing, a kind of comrade that when he looses, he goes and vote for DA shows spine less tendencies and is not worthy of being a member of the ANC, whoever win, we as members of the ANC we will support as we understand that its not about the leaders but about the policies of the ANC which are the best to uplifting the lives of many SAns,

      Thabisoul Motsome - 2012-12-12 18:30

      @Vuyisan nt all white ppl talk negative things abt blacks, yes racism still exists in SA bt we can end it if only we start to respecting each other and working together, so that SA can be a better place to live in..

      Thabisoul Motsome - 2012-12-12 18:41

      @Zulu 18 years we still have pple who go to be hungry.. we stil got children who attend school under the trees, we still got pple like u who thinks that voting for another political party will bring back apartheid. we stil got pple like u who dnt wanna accept change. NB: every dog has its own day.. Anc one day will go down if it doesnt wipe its ass!!

      Thabisoul Motsome - 2012-12-12 18:48

      @Kagiso Ha ha ha lol! Malema nt fit to be a president of any country..

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 19:23

      @Motsome so you are saying by voting the DA all that is wrong will be corrected just like that, I'm sorry I see a future where nothing else is important but the privileged, you can't tell me that cape flats and khayelitsha is now better, Cape town today is the Western Cape and everyone define the success of the DA based on that, the fact is the ANC is not doing very well but show me one party that is proud of its poor people as well,

      vuyisan - 2012-12-12 19:36

      @Thabisoul: I can understand when someone say"these people are animals, worse than animals, fools" I turn to think those words are said because of anger but the one thing I can't stand is to be told how lazy I am purely based on my skin color.

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-12 19:42

      Thabi, ""@Zulu 18 years we still have pple who go to be hungry.. we stil got children who attend school under the trees, we still got pple like u who thinks that voting for another political party will bring back apartheid. we stil got pple like u who dnt wanna accept change."" It is quiet clear you have no idea how far behind the 8 ball this country was in 1994. Other than the Fact that the West removed practically every dime invested in this country, Other than the fact that the smaller tax base now took care of 50 million people rather than 8, OTTF, Over 90% of this country's wealth is with a particular race whom refuse to let go and re-invest in RSA( We have Billions sitting idle in Bank accounts ) OTTF,In the last 8 years RSA has tripled it's GDP ( If you own your own company , you would know it's the bottom line that counts, These are international facts beyond re-proach, Google it ) We have more People whom have access to Education, Infrastructure has grown( new Universities etc.) and continues to grow ( I personally construct Port Infrastructure Maintenance programs/regimes ) I have lived through Apartheid and you will ( speak as you were too young to have experienced it )never know what value of life we have today. I suggest you verify facts Internationally and stop being a lazy grazer living off Indoctrinated Anti-Black Empowerment,This tool has always been utilize to divide us.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 20:38

      @zapadela.tistarocha2012, well written unfortunately some of these people are so indoctrinated and so lazy to read and understand the facts, most of them a commenting on order to get the most thumbs up and in the process make fool of themselves

  • manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 18:07

    That's the ANC I know, internal democracy at its best, people must allow the ANC to elect its leaders and stop being surprised by leaders contesting positions, it has always been the culture of the ANC, Viva Comrade Motlhante and Comrade Zuma Viva, may the best man win, woza Mangaung

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:37

      "Internal democracy" my foot Ndabezitha! Motlhanthe waited until 5 Provinces nominated Showerhead. How can he hope to win? I suspect this is all staged for morons like you to think "internal democracy."

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 18:46

      Ha ha Thwala if morons are like me, and those who can think are like you, I will prefer to stay a moron, amongst another thing to determine if what one says have substance or not in a debate is to see if he is using name calling or not, and if he is you must not worry too much about him cos he has little to offer( very low IQ )I can have you a my drinking mate though lol

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:58

      Ndabezitha, you are a moron because you are led by a moron (Zuma). But I don't mind having a beer with you because once we are done drinking, impepho kaZuma iyobe iphelile la ekhanda lakho :)

  • Mbuso Siera - 2012-12-12 18:09

    the Motlanthe's proposed top six have poisonous serpents nd traitors in cannot be trusted to govern this country effectively....these ppl have their own personal agendas....

  • tshepiso.komape - 2012-12-12 18:10

    I guess the name says it all Kgalemela corruption u wil mosdef get ma vote

  • khumo.lebone - 2012-12-12 18:12

    So Father Christmas arrived early and gave Motlanthe a pair of bronze ones. He desperately needed them cause he didn't have any to rub together.

  • lazarus.masilela - 2012-12-12 18:14

    By the Grace of God,well decided Mr Motlanthe Motlanthe.

  • luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 18:16

    I like this Motlante faction as it is not tainted by corruption and greed from state coffers and they look humble in public and are airing their views in a professional manner. But under the circumstances they need a lot of luck. I predict discontent after Mangaung as there will be a lot of purging.

  • piero.mendace.5 - 2012-12-12 18:16

    Manqoba, you are right anything is better than the ANC.. Your party of corrupt, selfish hippocrates.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 18:33

      What is your political party Piero? I promos I won't stoop to your level and call it names as i stick on facts and not go with what people say, and I will do that to show respect to your intelligence,I just need to know that so I can respond to you properly.

  • piero.mendace.5 - 2012-12-12 18:18

    Ya, Mbuso you are probably right. Problem is so are the test of your nominees... serpents. What will you do now..

  • piero.mendace.5 - 2012-12-12 18:19

    By the way Manqoba, in your nominees there is no best man or woman. The blind leading the blind.. Elected by the blind..

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 18:55

      Lol I'm sorry I but you are not making sense, can you produce facts and compare, allow me to respond only then we will be talking,

  • ntloko.yamazizi - 2012-12-12 18:23

    Don't u think its late

  • themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:24

    ah well, the spineless Motlhanthe only accepts now? The horse has bolted. Five provinces have already nominated Showerhead under the influence of his incence. Nevertheless, goodluck backboneless Motlhanthe. Hopefully ANC sheep would have recovered from Zuma's incence and change their vote in your favour.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 19:06

      @Thwala: ungangithuki baba, lol: if you had the power to change thing, who would be you next president? And why?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 19:14

      From the current ANC Ndabezitha? I'll probably go for Dr Pallo Jordaan amongst the elders, or Parks Tau if we want new young blood to take us into the future. They both have brains and education.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 19:27

      My other choice amongst the young lions would be Ramogopa, the City of Tshwane Mayor who is highly educated and therefore has a brain. In the DA I will go with "Tea girl". Now that is a ball of fire!!!

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-12 20:47

      Kwaaaaaa Mr Thwala, good choices, but do you understand though that some of these people who are my leaders did not have a choice in terms of formal education, they did not sit back though and complained but they educated themselves, they have been leaders all along and have been leading the same sophisticated leaders that you are tensioning, and those leaders from the days of exile have always admired and still confess to have leant a lot from the same leaders

  • sbongezulu - 2012-12-12 18:24

    Interesting, thinking of the Zuma lecture that Motlanthe delivered.

  • aroka.murombe - 2012-12-12 18:26

    Guys don't get me wrong for those who don't know I'm black, but is sad to be black and stupid.. How can we be giving praise to the anc after all they've put us through

  • julio.sanfona - 2012-12-12 18:27

    This may sound like good news but I just can't get excited about Kgalema Monthlante running for leader of the ANC. I don't think we have many choices coming from within the ANC. There are too many rotten apples in this party and no single individual is going to turn it around.

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-12-12 18:27

    Hounarable. Sometimes loosing does not meant you lost at all. If he would loose againts for now JZ, his reputation wud still be intact, even the justice system lost against him for now. For as long as he will never be mentioned against those who brought the ANC down.

  • Sabelo Nathie Zulu - 2012-12-12 18:29

    you might as well leave ANC now you bloody untrusted member!. Motlante slate will lose all positions. Zuma will do a clean sweep at Mangaung. Motlante is trying to honour his word that he stand if asked by the branches. he knows that his political career has come to an end. I feel sorry for Mbalula coz he's still young.....mara he must learn that one must face the consequences of bad choices one make

      peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-12-12 18:36

      U Sabelo, probably from KZN, voting with hearts than mind. Don't think Zuma will rule the country forever, but count the cost that comes with uncredibility.

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-12-12 18:29

    Mmmmmmmmmh! This is got to a very interesting one. Just wait and see what will happen after the conference if things don't turn out their way, is it a red card or what? it is cold outside the ANC just in incase yal forgot! LNN!

  • zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-12 18:33

    No matter whom is at the helm of the ANC,,,eventually he/she will be the Enemy of the Detractor

  • dbo.kacebisa - 2012-12-12 18:34

    Let the games for Aroka it is your choice to vote for whoever u want. I for one will forever vote ANC

      aroka.murombe - 2012-12-12 18:36

      My point exactly. Stupid

  • thoka.mphoka - 2012-12-12 18:38

    There you go my President. You have my vote, many other shall follow. Enough is enough with Nkandla comrade.

      FinalJustice - 2012-12-12 18:53

      Hallo, sorry: Where did you get a vote? Are you a member ANC deligation in the National Assembly? This is the tragic part, the general public doesn't have a vote or a choice when it comes to our leaders. Once you vote for the ruling party, you're stuck with whatever they decide when it comes to leadership, first sign of a broken democracy.

  • mluleki.krwempe - 2012-12-12 18:43

    I have been waiting for him to stand up and accept the nomination even if he loses a strong message will be sent out, what I urge Zuma to do is stand up and decline the nomination for the sake of unity and canvas behind Motlanthe this will deepen and entrench a sense of unity within the NEC and as for continuity Motlanthe already knows what needs to be done and therefore the is no need to cry continuity because programs won't just be dropped they will still run under Motlanthe as they did under Zuma with more vigour