Mthethwa: Corruption undermines democracy

2011-06-24 22:23

Johannesburg - Corruption undermines democratic processes in South Africa, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Friday.

"Its impact tends to undermine democratic processes and corporate governance, while eroding social cohesion and values," he told the SA Policing Union (Sapu) anti-corruption symposium in Midrand.

Mthethwa said when public officials displayed unethical conduct public confidence in government processes and institutions was eroded.

Legal and policy prescripts were being strengthened by his department and disciplinary regulations were being reviewed within the SA Police Service.

Problems in combating police corruption included reluctance to report corrupt colleagues, as well as that of some police administrators to acknowledge corruption.

An improved anti-corruption strategy focusing on "prevention, detection, investigation and restorative actions" was under deliberation, Mthethwa said.

"In brief, our programme... consists of achieving better policing, ... [an] efficient criminal justice system, involvement of society in the fight against crime, and a campaign to refurbish the moral fibre of South African society," he said.

Trade union officials from a number of Southern African Development Community countries, advisor to Norwegian ambassador Ingrid Skjolaas, Washington-based naval researcher Dr Nathan Meehan, and Lawyers for Human Rights representative Kaajal Ramjathan-Keogh also attended the symposium.

  • Anonymus - 2011-06-24 22:31

    and it has taken you 17 years to work that out!

      Jousa van Dyk - 2011-06-24 23:00

      ANC motto: STOP corruption or let me be apart of it

      Boer - 2011-06-25 00:18

      Ja a long time to wakeup.

      Francois - 2011-06-25 04:57

      No, he is only paying lip service to it. IT is one thing to say something about it and another to do something about it. Nathi, how many "doctors" have your crony Bheki arrested for botched circumcisions and rural elders for statutory rape? None, however this subtle form of corruption of buying votes from rural chiefs in exchange for not prosecuting offenses is okay - you rather need the votes than the future of innocent boys and girls. When last have you spoken up against possible arms deal millionaires? When are you going to investigate Malema? Welcome back Boer, what is about to follow is not a criticism of you. Nathi has not waken up yet, he is just playing with words.

      senkgisha - 2011-06-25 07:19


      cliffarc - 2011-06-25 08:46

      - And that corruption is perpetrated by ? - So by logical extension, one must conlude,it's the Anc that undermines our democracy.

      p123 - 2011-06-25 08:57

      Bizaare, it is the ANC that is doing all the corruption, and further it is the ANC that covers up all the corruption committed by their Comrades, what a circus, or should I say circle of ANC corruption. Look at the Arms scandal, ANC cadres stole milions that the brain-dead ANC voters could had for housing!!!

      Risen Ape - 2011-06-25 09:48

      Mthethwa' words mean nothing. Zip. We've heard this type of talk many times from the ANC and then nothing changes. Mthethwa sit down and keep quiet. You are part of the problem.

  • onetickie - 2011-06-24 22:41

    Really? Only just starting to figure that out???

  • Hennie - 2011-06-24 22:47

    mmm.....isn't this the same guy that spent R200000 in hotel bills?

  • POLLENYS - 2011-06-24 23:14

    Well, start rooting corruption out. Start at the top. Mind you, then we won't have a government. Which can be a good thing.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-06-24 23:14

    Wow! Amazing insight.

  • jock - 2011-06-24 23:50

    you are the man!

  • croix - 2011-06-25 00:05

    Profound! Now pay back the money you (illegally) spent on fancy hotels you 'underminer of democracy'! "Involvement of society in the fight against crime"??? Yes - they are so frustrated with shoddy policework, they have to now punish the tsotsis by themselves (which breeds all manner of social ills), so just FIX IT!

  • Christopher - 2011-06-25 01:55

    Tell us something we don't already know minister. Then DO something about it. Talk is cheap, money buys the whisky!!

  • Kevin - 2011-06-25 05:04


  • Joker - 2011-06-25 05:06

    It must of been a symposium for grade 1 learners

  • JadedJay - 2011-06-25 05:08

    What? Lip service? This guy forgets he is an instigator, not an opponent of same. What is he trying to cover up for? I smell a Mthethwa scandal about to be revealed. Suzie Mthethwa!!! Oh the good ol days....

  • Deeteem - 2011-06-25 06:12

    Minister - open the arms deal investigation then we can talk corruption !!

      OZNOB - 2011-06-25 06:57

      MAY THEIR ACTIONS SPEAK louder than their words - though as being said before they are only paying lip service or appear to go through the motions of doing the right thing though nothing actually gets done

  • Niekie - 2011-06-25 06:58

    Yeah Nathi! Tell that to your bosses in charge of this country! Lie, cheat and steal is so deeply rooted in your peoples' DNA it wil go on forever!

  • TDP - 2011-06-25 07:07

    Talk, talk talk..... never any action Heard this all before! And then let's destroy the Scorpions because they were getting too close to us politicians and stopping the gravy train

  • Ozymandios - 2011-06-25 07:44

    This sounds like a stuck gramaphone record. We the unwilling, lead by the unknowing and corrupt, for so long now (17 years), can now do anything with F%!#*^(& All.

  • Karoobloed - 2011-06-25 07:52

    Children please.... Africans were denied power for hundreds of years and you guys expect perfection in a mere 16 years. Am I alone in feeling thankful and positive when problems are at least being acknowledged? Note Mr. Mtethwa did not try to shift blame. Whenever the ANC makes a move in the right direction they get no credit; whe they don't they are severely criticized. I am not a supporter of any political party, but there is way too much negativism in RSA. Really time to start differentiating between the two and to give credit wnem credit is due. Good on you Mr. Mthethwa.

      Ndlovu - 2011-06-25 08:37

      I have given you a "thumb up", neverthless, 16 years are a lot of time and there was no war nor any destroiment. The SA has been taken over smoothly by the new leaders with an intakt infrastrukture in governance as in the technical sector eg roads, railways hospitals aso... und what haeppens now. Would you go fe to a public hospital in case of...???? ahaa Have you seen the roads aside the highways.. Have you seen housing and cars of the "governors"?? Sure lot has gon bether than before, but lot of promises has been broken by wasting funds to other countries, subsidising nonsens - projekts aso.. and making a lot of expensive for fun . Ok give them another 16 years. i wont be hier anymore, I guess. (I'm 70...)

      FartaWorks - 2011-06-25 08:43

      Denied power for hundreds of years? Hau! Please explain. Cannot expect perfection in a mere 16 years? Then why do they continue to vilify people with the necessary know-how and expertise? Me thinks it's because they are too bright and white oh' wise one... The ANC has had yonks to prove themselves. How do you reconcile yourself with the fact that, despite their serious shortcomings, the 'masses' still keeps voting for them? You, my friend, are just another pretentious and deluded tree-hugging libtard with a fuzzy feeling in your pants. Time to grow up - both emotionally and politically. What is new about the Minister's utterings? Nothing! They have been saying this for years. Will anything come of it? No chance ou grote. Time to make peace with reality. The South Africa of old has had a massive stroke and will never be the same again. The liberal experiment that is 'Post-Apartheid South Africa' AKA 'the rainbow nation' is just another gigantic African failure.

      Grayman - 2011-06-25 08:50

      @Karoobloed, You have a point there, but I cannot agree with it. It is not about POWER but about GOOD GOVERNANCE. It is interesting that when you have good governance, then the entire group becomes more powerful. With a small core of despotic megalomaniacs ruling a country, then entire country becomes weak. The people have tolerated the ANC's shoddy governance for too long and now even the natives are getting restless. Witness the violent protests that are happening all too often. This latest utterance from Mthethwa is too little too late. Stop talking and start doing. No reputation is built on promises of what you are GOING to do.

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-25 08:54

      Getting one "thumbs up" from a 70 year old gentleman named Mr. Ndlovu means more to me than a million "thumbs down" by brain dead racists.

      cliffarc - 2011-06-25 08:54

      - Oh sure- Mthethwa for president.

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-25 09:14

      No snartass - I am just suggesting that even small positive steps by our democratically elected government should be acknowledged. Where do you think your negative passive aggressive attitude will get you? Constantly alienating the Black majority seems like such a moronic thing to do.

      cliffarc - 2011-06-25 09:34

      - And alienating the white minority is just dandy. Whose the 'snartass' then ?

  • Ndlovu - 2011-06-25 08:26

    Oh.. but Malema has another sight of view about this matter.

  • sainsaudi - 2011-06-25 08:29

    Start with yourself, Mr Mthethwa. Then influence your comrades.The ANC loves to have conferences and symposia dealing with issues such as these, yet the biggest offenders of these decisions are the comrades themselves. This seems to be an appeasement to the American and Europeans' fears of absolute anarchy in South Africa.They are not fooled.The test is whether there is the will to carry out their decisions and apply them rigorously and with the intent to ensure that the state becomes corruption-free. But, while the ANC is intent on forcing unworkable and outmoded socialist and communist practices onto the populace which will further impoverish them, this cannot happen.Added to this, these systems require the non-transparency of government and absolute control of the press. This will not curb corruption, but hide it. What has been happening in the last 17 years is a steady centralisation of power and the erosion of democracy. This has led to the present circumstances, not apartheid, or white farmers or white business. It's the need to control all centres of power under one centralised one party-controlled government.

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-06-25 08:34

    what a profound statement! tosser

  • Vince.York - 2011-06-25 08:50

    Is there anything left in SA that suddenly does not belong to a zuma?

  • Roy - 2011-06-25 09:56

    Who are the corrupt people and why do they get away with it??????

  • horsehair - 2011-06-25 10:13

    No Sh1t Einstein

  • thobsa malope - 2011-06-25 10:42

    In this country thre are hundreds of individuals who have been convicted of corruption but are corruntly millionaires and well-connected to powerfull government officials. The essential message grasped by everybody and privately encouraged is this: CRIME PAYS. Especially corruption since one does not steal from anyone in particular. When a person gets a government job, his relations expect him to open opportunities for his immediate kins in government employment. This has become a cultural trait.

  • Atoombom - 2011-06-25 12:08

    What corruption, you plank? The ANC have no corruption, only murderers, rapists, thiefs, terrorists, but no corruption

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