New arms deal probe - 'Why only now?'

2011-09-15 22:28

Cape Town - Political parties have on Thursday welcomed President Jacob Zuma's announcement of a new commission of inquiry into the arms deal on Thursday, but the question of "why only now" seems to be on the minds of most.

The Inkatha Freedom Party's Koos van der Merwe expressed reservations about the motives behind the decision.

"The question must be asked: why only now? The arms procurement programme was initiated in the late 90s, and has since the beginning been under a cloud of suspicion of corruption and bribery."

The only logical inference was that all the evidence might now have been destroyed and that the government could therefore finally proceed with such an inquiry.

The IFP awaited further details on the commission's terms of reference and composition, he said.

United Democratic Movement leader Bantu  echoed Van der Merwe's sentiments.

"We cannot help but wonder why it has taken so long for the government to do it. Could it be related to the amount of evidence destroyed?"

He said the commission would clear any doubts the public might have about the role played by the previous administration in the arms deal.

"It will also shed light on the role played in the arms deal by senior ANC leaders who were part of the previous administration who also hold senior positions in the current administration," Holomisa said.


Earlier on Thursday, the president said a commission would be appointed to "investigate allegations of wrongdoing in the arms deal".

In 2009, legal proceedings were instituted in the Western Cape High Court asking the court to direct the president to appoint an independent judicial commission of inquiry into allegations of wrongdoing, or to require him to reconsider his refusal to do so.

It later transpired that the Western Cape High Court was the wrong forum to hear the matter.

An application was then brought in the Constitutional Court. The matter was set down for hearing on November 17.

Zuma's spokesperson Mac Maharaj said the president assumed office when the matter was already pending in the courts of law.

"He had previously taken a view that since the matter was the subject of litigation in a court of law, he should allow the legal process to take its course," Maharaj said.

"However, he has since taken into account the various developments around this matter and also the fact that closure on this subject will be in the public interest."

Zuma had requested Justice and Constitutional Development Minister Jeff Radebe to take the necessary steps to put the decision into effect.

"The president will soon announce the terms of reference and the composition of the commission, including the time frames," Maharaj said.

Radebe's spokesperson Tlali Tlali said further details could be made available as early as Friday.

"We cannot rule out a possibility of that happening tomorrow [on Friday]," said Tlali.


Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille said her party had consistently called for this course of action for nearly 10 years.

"New information concerning alleged corruption in the arms deal is now emerging in Sweden and Germany," she said.

Zille said the efficacy and legitimacy of the commission would depend on its terms of reference and composition.

"The president must give the commission a full scope to investigate any and all aspects of the arms deal and have the powers to subpoena witnesses and documentation," she said.

"He must appoint commissioners whose integrity and independence is beyond question, and who will conduct the enquiry with particular attention to detail."

Independent Democrats leader Patricia de Lille appealed to the president to appoint a retired Constitutional Court judge to conduct the investigations.

She said: "I appeal that the commission must call on and make provision for all persons with information to give evidence in public."

De Lille said all the allegations contained in the "De Lille Dossier", some of which had led to the arrest and conviction of Schabir Shaik and Tony Yengeni, should be included in the terms of reference of the commission.


SA Communist Party spokesperson Malesela Maleka said in a statement that the SACP hoped the commission would be allowed to get to the bottom of the allegations and lay the matter to rest once and for all.

"This indeed is a bold step that the president has undertaken and we believe as the SACP that it signals the seriousness of this administration in fighting corruption," said Maleka.

The African Christian Democratic Party said the commission would face a "formidable task" given the time that had lapsed and the enormity of evidence involved.

ACDP MP Steve Swart said: “The time-lapse will have enabled those who are alleged to have received bribes to dispose of their ill-gotten gains."

He said the appointment of the commission would send a strong signal that bribery and corruption would not be tolerated.

Pieter Groenewald, of the Freedom Front Plus, said the arms deal had not only harmed the image of the SA National Defence Force, but of the whole of South Africa.

"Through a commission, closure could be obtained about the whole matter and the books can be closed on it."


The Helen Suzman Foundation said it trusted that Zuma would be "mindful" of his constitutional obligations when determining the commission's terms of reference.

"The Helen Suzman Foundation stands by its view that the terms of reference of the inquiry and the composition of the commission will be paramount in determining the legitimacy of this inquiry," it said in a statement.

The Helen Suzman Foundation said it trusted that Zuma would be "mindful" of his constitutional obligations when determining the commission's terms of reference.

  • Coquine - 2011-09-15 22:40

    and it's going to cost a bloody fortune ...

      POLS_G - 2011-09-16 02:48

      Ironic isn't it. About a year ago the Hawks abandoned the investigation they inherited from the scorpions, on the grounds that it would cost too much to finalise the investigation. Now a whole new investigation will undertaken, at numeorus times more than the amount it have cost to complete the old one. As the saying goes: money makes SA .. err, I mean the world ... go round.

      York Hunt - 2011-09-16 07:09

      Yes it will cost a lot (some of which will be pilfered). Amazing though that Thuli Madonsela just said there was no funds to investigate Malema recently...

      Blikskottel - 2011-09-16 07:13

      Especially if ANC cadres are involved.

      gksa - 2011-09-16 08:42

      I say give it to the Public Protector and make sure that she has all the resources she needs to do investigate this diligently and expeditiously.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-15 22:45

    Jacob is trying to distract us from his comrades - Cele,Siceka,Malema. what is he trying to hide? Maybe trying to frame his little-puppy-dog-malema before Juju does it to him? Both corrupt & incompetent racists

      Francois - 2011-09-15 23:28

      Unfortunately Juju could not take part in the arms deal as he was in primary school when it happened and how come in your first sentence Malema is a comrade, but in your second Malema has the intention to frame our beloved president? On the corruptness and incompetence, now that is a worthy point!

      Cynic - 2011-09-16 09:09

      i agree, an old tactic of the ANC. The distract you to the right, to ensure no-one sees what they are hiding on the left. Watch them next time they screw around with the springbok emblem again, then you know they messed something up badly.

  • Bill - 2011-09-15 22:51

    This is the million dollar question..! (excuse the pun)

  • Bull Terrier - 2011-09-15 22:52

    Easy, the "terms of reference" will spell out that the zooma is not to be touched!!!!!!

      PB - 2011-09-16 07:36

      Bull Terrier Yes, I agree, just like his family are also given a free ticket to tenders. Amazing how he can make snap decisions about some issues (Moegoe Moegoe) but others he has "to apply his mind" to for years before he can make up his own mind about what a simple sentence means - HE IS GUILTY! Thank you Patricia de Lille for sticking to this issue - WOMAN POWER

  • Bill - 2011-09-15 23:01

    Maybe now because he knows the Info Bill will come into play before the final findings are available...Which of course will be declared of national security and not released to the public in terms of the Info Bill..!

      WHITE MAN - 2011-09-16 10:27

      Oh bill that is so f true bro. In other words the info bill is a done deal aswell.

  • KarooOstrich - 2011-09-15 23:04

    This probe would only have credibility if it is done by a completely indipendant, non political panel, not chosen by JZ, with access to ALL evidence ( if it all still exists) without any interference from anybody. But I can't see that happening. My feeling is that it is going to be another excercise in spending millions of taxpayer's money from which nothing will come by way of prosecutions or punishment. In other words , a complete waste of time and money. My gut feeling is that there must be a hidden agenda to the whole thing.

  • nn.prv - 2011-09-15 23:08

    Better late than never !

      Mike - 2011-09-16 07:52

      xplain - please

  • solly - 2011-09-15 23:24

    Watch the ANC come out of this one SQUEAKY CLEAN!!!!!

  • James - 2011-09-15 23:54

    well, it takes a whole lot of time to make sure that covering tracks does not leave any tracks. Does not take a genius to work that out. Problem is everyone knows it but yet again - NOTHING will come of the enquiry and all will be revealed to be squeaky clean and the DA will be slammed for always harping on about having an enquiry and for the waste of time and tax payers money etc etc etc

  • James - 2011-09-15 23:57

    just thinking further about it - this is embaressing - the rest of the world will yet again laugh at this "evidence destroying" 10 years and SAfricans will be treated like second class citizens still wherever we visit in the world because we are all painted with the same brush because of our illustrious leaders

      Bantu74 - 2011-09-16 00:45

      We are proud Africans and we treat ourself first class citizens, may be you whites are treated like that because they know you that you did bad things to us Africans and that you are too racist.

      DanG - 2011-09-16 06:50

      @Bantu The problem we have is that you treat yourself as first class citizens with our tax money.

      daaivark - 2011-09-16 07:01

      That's right people. Let's all help things along by playing our petty mudslinging racist games instead of just addressing the useful issue of trying to live together in peace. Good for you. That way you can destroy the good in our country faster than any corrupt politician.

      Mike - 2011-09-16 07:54

      @daaivark - why?

      1stcase - 2011-09-16 09:32

      @ James- The world also looks at this forum and laugh at statements posted here. Look at the dewani case, his solicitor used comments placed by racist bigots, bought black and white, on this forum to try and stop him from being extradited. @ Bantu74 - James is stating all South Africans will be seen as 2nd class citizens, he did not specifically refer to black people as 2nd class, well I hope did ?lol. @Mike – Aardvark is correct, people should start to debate issues based on merit and stop using this platform to air his anger. Start or find a I hate the world forum. Guys let’s wait for he terms of conditions and then we will debate on what will happen.

      RichardS - 2011-09-16 09:47

      @1st Case: The world looks at this forum, and is bemused and laughs at many (maybe a few) South Africans and ex-South Africans who are so one-sided and hate-filled for their own country and they think that the dream of a rainbow nation is really a myth... and laugh at those who fail to see anything positive about this beautiful country and its people. My mantra - Attack the issues (crime, poverty, corruption service delivery), not the country and if you don't like it here in SA, leave... nobody is going to stop you at the border posts.

  • Mike - 2011-09-16 00:34

    Wait for wikieleaks

  • Rick - 2011-09-16 01:36

    The shredder must have been running day and night until now.

  • Mandla - 2011-09-16 02:18

    Its because the ANCYL is calling for the former president to stand for nomination as a Chairman for ANC in December next year.

      Chris Potgieter - 2011-09-16 04:05

      Very very interesting.

  • leonard - 2011-09-16 06:03

    The ONLY way to achieve an acceptable and ever lasting closure to this saga is to get independant overseas adjudicators.If any ANC cadres are part of the probe and investigations,no outcome will be accepted.PS. By overseas I mean this excludes any person from the African continent.The logic behind what I say is this,how can the ANC police themselves when if found guilty,most past and present MP`s would land up in jail.

      Kevin - 2011-09-16 06:44

      United Nations would do a proper job. Come on constitutional court. Lets get the truth

      Blikskottel - 2011-09-16 07:15

      I agree, but how will you convince this commie ANC regime to let that happen? The allready made themselves unpopular with their stance on the libia issue, so they would never ask the UN.

      1stcase - 2011-09-16 09:12

      @ Leonard , why do we need overseas adjudicators when we have reputable retired constitutional judges or don’t you trust our retired white judges. @ Why the UN, the international world sees the UN as a lame duck, an organisation without balls.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 11:23

      @1stcase. Oh dear.I can`t believe what you wrote re retired WHITE judges.If we had a guarantee that they would be used,by all means use them.Can you honestly tell me you believe this would ever come to pass?Don`t think so either.

  • Michael - 2011-09-16 06:09

    You've been calling for it... when it comes you barking that it's late... WTF do you want?

      leonard - 2011-09-16 06:38

      @Michael. You really don`t understand do you.10 years to late,evidence destroyed,bullsh@t in the wind.I believe all sane rational thinking people want to see honesty and justice in our country for a change.Highly unlikely in SA but we live in hope.

      Kevin - 2011-09-16 06:45

      A real investigation . Not a cover up.

      1stcase - 2011-09-16 10:11

      @ Leonard and Kevin, EEEESH guys!!!! Its better late than never. How do you guys know that there will be a cover up? How sure are you that they have destroyed all evidence? Let’s wait and see what the terms of reference are for the commission. Ooooh and by the way there is this guy, forgot his name, who have taken the issue to the constitutional court. He stated yesterday on 702FM that he has allot of evidence. Mrs DeLil also stated that she had evidence and there is the Germans and the Swede's. So please guys as rational thinking people let’s wait.

  • leonard - 2011-09-16 06:10

    @Bantu74. If you want to comment on a topic on any forum,at least mention something relevant to the topic under discussion.Your diatribe against whites just does not cut it.

  • Mavivi - 2011-09-16 06:31

    people were talking when the arms deal probe was closed now that is re-opened still peaople are talking. What do we want from President Zuma?

      leonard - 2011-09-16 07:04

      @Mavivi. You don`t read or see to well.Backtrack and see comment to Michael.

      Reality - 2011-09-16 07:09

      The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!

      Badballie - 2011-09-16 10:10


  • Kevin - 2011-09-16 06:32

    Can we please have proper investigators. let every political party put 3 people onto the the team. This could quite quickly become a cover up rather then a an investigation. We will know the truth when we see quite a few thugs getting charged and marched off to do there 30 years. Anything less would be a cover up.

  • neddy - 2011-09-16 06:43

    The only reason he's instigating an investigation is because of the investigation by the Sweedes into SAAB. He has to because the ANC would end up with egg on their face if wrongdoing emerges and the ANC is implicated.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 07:06

      @Neddy. My friend,NOT if,When.

      BigAl - 2011-09-16 09:01

      Yes neddy, you and I know the truth.

  • jansteyn4 - 2011-09-16 06:53

    Noseweek reported that Mbeki got more than R100mil from the arms deal. With the ANCYL moving closer to Mbeki this action may be a warning. Nothing will come of it though because the whole cabal of gangsters at the top in the ANC including Zuma is tainted.

  • The ABG - 2011-09-16 06:57

    To the people asking why we are still demanding an inquiry: he South Afican government bought BILLIONS of US DOLLARS worth of military equipment. They paid for it with TAXPAYER's money. The companies that supplied the equipment have admitted that they paid bribes to secure the deal. We the TAXPAYERS of South Africa would like to know what happened to our money, and why bribes were paid. If you cannot understand this, then you probably aren't a TAXPAYER.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 07:07

      @The ABG. Right on bro.Good one.

      BigAl - 2011-09-16 09:04

      Yes ABG, we now the truth and the corruption from bottom (police bribes) to the top (millions in top ANC pockets)

      The ABG - 2011-09-16 09:32

      @BigAl Knowing is nothing. We need Action. We need Action from the Politicians and the People We need to demand this from the people we employ with our tax money. This is not about race. This is about people running OUR country into the ground while they drive around in fancy cars and fly around in First Class and stay in 5 star hotels and taking BRIBES.

      The ABG - 2011-09-16 09:37

      Unfortunately there is a small minority that sees nothing wrong with taking money at other people's expense. Their only regret is that they were not at the receiving end of the bribe,and their greatest aspiration is to get into a position to receive a similar bribe in the future because real work is just too hard.

  • Ozymandios - 2011-09-16 07:07

    Then how on earth can anyone come forward with information if they pass the Information Bill. Everyone that comes forward with information can go to jail. ALL THEY WANT TO KNOW IS WHO HAS INFORMATION ON THE ARMS DEAL that they don't know of and then close it down completely,and hey presto it'll get destroyed or never dealt with and will just disappear.Always beware of a politician declaring he wants to show how good and correct he/she is when their track record that says otherwise. And more so in this case as it ionvolves JZ very much so. The last thing JZ wants is somethign coming out of the woodwork that he can't ask those peole overseas to first send to his new committee so they can review it and if necessary destroy it if at all possible from the public. And this committee will never be unbiased it'll have all his "Ja Broers" in it grovelling at his feet for a pat on the back.

      juan - 2011-09-16 07:12

      Clever Ozymandios...this makes sense.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 07:26

      @Ozy. Ja boet,have been saying the same thing since new law was first mooted.Was called a racist plus many other nasty things for even questioning the motives of government.But as with all things,the truth will out.

  • juan - 2011-09-16 07:11

    sniff sniff... I smell a rat!

  • Blikskottel - 2011-09-16 07:13

    Why does not matter..what matters is if it going to be done independly from the ANC and regime.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 07:29

      @Blik. As things stand,NEVER independantly of ANC control and manipulation.SADLY.

  • Sisie - 2011-09-16 07:22

    JZ now has all his ducks in a row - so nothing will be found or it has been destroyed. JZ will come out cleaner than snow. paper trail will lead to dead ends. Clever of the pres.

  • Notuagain - 2011-09-16 07:27

    Election time coming up.....bargaining chips needed.

  • Dingaan - 2011-09-16 07:31

    Why? Two days or so after the ANCYL leaders were charged with indiscipline, the youth league announced they would call for the re-opening of the arms deal investigation. On Sunday 11th it was announced that malema would not appear at the hearing on Monday because he would be in coourt for the findings on the hate speech case. He wasn't there. Where was he? I bet he was meeting with the top anc hoods and most likely threatened them. So now very conveniently, zuma's announcement. As someone already said, amazing timing. All I can say is God help us and save us. By "us" I mean every single citizen of this country. These present happenings are the beginning of misery for everyone because some people can neither think further than their noses, nor do they believe in a tomorrow.

  • Lekgwakgwa - 2011-09-16 07:38

    South Africans today the can sing and dance because we will now's the true of arms deal but i have a concern the commission is going to involve former chief justice Ngcobo and chief justice Mogoeng Mogoeng,Cele,Simelane so the will protect Jacob Zuma and I hope that DA the will not sleep until the end.

  • Danief` - 2011-09-16 07:39

    This is a very clever political move. Zuma first appointed his own buddy Mogoeng Mogoeng and then annouced arms deal probe. Very clever, as he first need to cover his ass and make sure that he will get away again.

  • LaVie - 2011-09-16 07:43

    I smell a rat....

  • Grant_S - 2011-09-16 07:49

    "It will also shed light on the role played in the arms deal by senior ANC leaders who were part of the previous administration who also hold senior positions in the current administration," Holomisa said. HMMMM..The Zuma realised the ANCYL support for Mbeki might cost him a second why not put Mbeki and his old cabinet in the hot seat and so eliminate him from being a contender...

  • tut - 2011-09-16 07:50

    Shaik, pack your vaseline and stripy pj's! You going back to block C.

  • Mike - 2011-09-16 07:50

    Who is this jerk kidding - he has seen to it that all evidence that could be linked to the turd has been obliterated!

  • Daniel du Plessis - 2011-09-16 07:50

    Why on ly now - as all fingers pointing to leadership have been cut off

  • flummoxed - 2011-09-16 07:55

    Just look at the delay in dealing with findings of the Public Protector iro Cele's usurping his authority to purchase new police offices to see how long any kind of a resolution for anything - affecting the ANC - takes to finalise. Don't hold you breath...

  • @ - 2011-09-16 08:05

    Personally I think it is to preempt anything that Julius Malema may say after being disciplined... IF he is of course. Zuma is just getting his ducks in a row for the inevitable fall-out of any significant sanction on Malema. It is clear he knows a helluva lot about a helluva lot... and the spiteful character he is, he will no doubt think that is he goes down, he'll drag as many people down with him as he can. If this happens... we may all owe Malema a debt of gratitude, even is he has done it for the wrong reasons.

  • mac-sdi - 2011-09-16 08:07

    MEnzi Simelani already said there were no evidence of corruption. Si we know what the finding are. whats the point of the commission? to have a legal person tell un what we already know? waste of tax payers money.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 10:45

      @Mac. Ergo my previous comment on overseas people to run any investigation.

  • d2eguy - 2011-09-16 08:09

    whatever the reason , knowing zuma and the ANC it will be a corrupt reason and some ANC member will be getting a kickback .

  • Hugh - 2011-09-16 08:16

    Anyone remember the outcome of the last investigation appointed by the last president?

  • kaMazibuko - 2011-09-16 08:19

    U boers are like all the opposition parties in SA....Twas only last month that Hellen Zille also called for an inquiry into the arms deal because new evidence has emerged, why are u still moaning now????? U always want to criticize this black led gorvenment and in turn undermine us all black people, its disgusting....sooner or later ull realize that apartheid is not coming back,u stupid old things

      Rural Developer - 2011-09-16 08:58

      Lol at you silly litte man. You still think your president has integrity and morals etc. How much evidence of corruption do you need before you will admit it. This is a joke, its just another case of Zuma and co. looking out for themselves. No matter if it takes 1000 years to put a tap into your township, you will vote anc... Poor silly uneducated things. I can only pity your ignorance and be glad that I am capable of thinking beyond the rubbish spewed by your government.

      Reality - 2011-09-16 10:06

      You are wrong. The boers know very well apartheid is not coming back. And many of them don't want it back. They carried too many "non" boers for too long. The problem is that the "non" boers don't seem to get that. So they waste all their energy on trying to stop it from coming back. Just get on with your lives.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 10:53

      @kaMazibuko. You STILL don`t get it ,do you.Government deserves to be critised,look again at every thing leading up to this point and you should realise why there is this outcry.PS I am not a so called boer,just a VERY concerned citizen.BTW without the boer,how the hell would you and yours eat.Be thankful these people are still here.

  • Mandla - 2011-09-16 08:19

    Its the only way Mr Zuma can survive, If he implicates Julius Malema, who somehow benefited from the arms deal, Politics is a dirty game of survival and lack of morals!Thats the only reason South Africa hasn't moved forward to the next level, They fight too much with power hungry status conscious people who are actually criminal, The country has followed the leaders example and has made the country unstable in the media, But its a smokescreen to avert attention from those who should be in jail but hold office. Only when this people have died will the truth come out. I will one day have to teach my children that their leaders from past were bad people and that is why you suffer as much as the black culture did 30 years ago, all because they were not qualified to run a country in modern times, They were to proud to ask for help so they destroyed it, I blame the ANC for all the bad things in South Africa because they do nothing to unite us, They only have their black agenda which dont include me because i dont have power to give tenders, Only when this criminals are gone will SA become a rainbow nation, They are scared to move forward as they will all go to jail, just look at all the bad media around the police, ministers and Julius, even a fool can see its not for us and only them, Im ashamed of my culture who has a chance given to them for free to show the world our culture can survive in a modern world, all they have shown the world is they are nothing more than corrupt

      Mandla - 2011-09-16 08:21

      Criminals, who will walk past people who need help laughing, They will pay with their souls forever for stealing from the poor!

      BigAl - 2011-09-16 09:21

      Dog eat Dog - The ANC pack woof woof - lets cut of their tails or is it TALES.

      leonard - 2011-09-16 10:58

      @Mandla. Consider your hand to have been shaken by me.What a pleasure to have read your post.Now all we need to do is find the other couple of million of your people to echo your sentiments.Suggestion,,join the DA.

      Chris - 2011-09-16 11:16

      Mandla - God is in control. One day every person will need to answer to Him for their actions on earth.

  • cj - 2011-09-16 08:21

    Sedick and Robnob. You have absolutely no grounds for the insults directed at Justice Mogoeng. He is a competent lawyer, maybe not brilliant, and has shown utmost dedication and commitment to justice hi whole life. He has also shown himself to an independent thinker. There are absolutely no grounds for suspecting him of being htere to protect Zuma. He in any event only has one vote amongst th eleven judges. The ill informed, racist comments on Media 24 are worse that on Sowetan Online.

      Mandla - 2011-09-16 08:39

      cj that may be true, but we know how we work to protect our own people even if its wrong and does many bad things, this you know! Because you start with the racist comments make you not credible because its the news24 employees who comment racism for better ratings, Stop putting petrol on the fire, you must say something that will help not criticize because that makes you the problem. You must move forward in a way that will help you and your children, not the criminals who hold office and are busy destroying our country. Only when you realize that for SA to move forward means we have to accept the western culture, its the way forward in education, medical and a better living for all, if you hold on to this Government who are not qualified to run a country in modern times you have robbed your children and they will hate you for it when they suffer as much as the black culture did 30 years ago.

      arthur.amgen - 2011-09-16 08:45

      cj Moegoe is not the best man for the job. You know it. The whole of SA knows it. he has no experience. He hears voices in his head from god and Zuma at the same time. He can not write a judgement . He is not an intellectual legal brain. He is window dressing and a Zuma stooge. Defintily not Chief Justice material

      Chris - 2011-09-16 11:18

      cj - Let us wait and see how he handles this incredable hard challenged assignment he has been given. Time will tell.

  • lenyora - 2011-09-16 08:37

    .... answer: Coz now I got Mogoeng Mogoeng on board to cover my butt!!

  • BadBoy79 - 2011-09-16 08:38

    Wake up people... They just had about 12 years to FALSIFY documents to deflect the guilt away from the guilty parties and to make things look and seem legitimate...

  • Mathanga - 2011-09-16 08:38

    Let the commission then not proceed because it seems as if most people think "all the evidence has been destroyed and no one will be convicted". Otherwise it will be waste of our money as taxpayers! As we don't have faith in this commission, how we going to trust its findings & conclusions?

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-16 08:40

    Julius Malema has threatened he will expose arms deal skeletons if the ANC continues with his disciplinary hearing. Now Zuma can neutralise the threat by controlling the process.” ... There you have it. Love him or hate him. Malema makes things happen. Malema was listed as one of 10 men under 40 "who wield enormous influence in Africa's political and business circles" by Forbes magazine yesterday. What we have here is "The Power Game" South African style. Better than TV sit make and enjoy the entertainment. The drama, the lying, the swirling as big fish try to escape.

  • mnbain - 2011-09-16 08:41

    I suspect Mini me was trying to use information pertaining to this as leverage... so its safer just to get it out

  • mobiles - 2011-09-16 08:43

    @Harvey :) Exactly what I think . Maybe Malema thought he had them by the balls . We`ll see by the outcome of the ANCYL`S hearing .

  • TheUgly - 2011-09-16 08:45

    The only reason Zuma is taking all of the hogwash from Julius is because Julius has irrefutable evidence concerning the weapons deal. Zuma isn't running the show due to leverage. The only way he can remedy this is by destroying all of the evidence. That way he can rule this country as he sees fit. Coward.

  • kanditerger - 2011-09-16 08:56

    To pacify the minorities and keep the emphasis away from the Zumas and the Malemas and the publicity they generate?