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Nkandla: Zuma says still paying bond

2012-11-15 22:24

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma reacted angrily on Thursday over reports about his Nkandla residence, maintaining that he and his family paid for the construction, and that he is still paying off a mortgage bond.

Zuma insisted that "the buildings and every room we use in that residence was built by ourselves as family".

He said when he became president he and his family decided to expand the home and called in contractors.

"I took the decision to extend my home... and I built more rondavels. I engaged the bank and I am still paying the bond," he added.

Zuma said he had never asked government to build a home for him, and it had not done so.

"On TV, they showed the house that I paid for. And they lie that it has been built by government. It has not been built by government.

"I have an opportunity today to explain this. Because my name is being used wrongly. My family is being undermined. Even by Honourable Members, who don't ask... what actually happened. And I feel very aggrieved, I must tell you for the first time," the president said.

"I have been convicted, painted black, called the first-class corruption man on facts that are not tested. I take exception.”

A clearly upset Zuma was answering questions in the National Assembly where he said he was "aggrieved" by media reports that the government had paid more than R200m for his home.

Zuma said the only money spent by the government on his home was for security features, including fencing, bullet-proof windows and a bunker.

"I was advised that the security upgrades were... necessary in terms of the National Key Points Act," he said.

Zuma said he had hired contractors to build extensions to his Nkandla residence. The work started, but on his becoming president he was told certain security features needed to be incorporated.

He also drew a distinction between work he was paying for himself, and construction work outside the perimeter of his residence.

"Any other construction undertaken by government outside the perimeter of my home, such as the accommodation for government security personnel, are not part of my residence," he said.

Laughing stock

The question about his Nkandla home was posed by DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko.

In a follow-up question, Mazibuko asked Zuma to explain the "security enhancements" made at Nkandla.

She said these included 31 new buildings, six of which cost R8m each; a R2.3m lift to the bunker; R1.5m for airconditioning systems for each of the houses; a visitor centre; a gymnasium; and guest rooms.

"Are these security enhancements? The fact that this is the Honourable President's private home is something that we take exception to. The government does not have a responsibility to upgrade, at a cost of R250m, the private home [of the president]," she said.

Responding, Zuma told Mazibuko she was premising questions on information that was not accurate.

"Speaker, there are only... five additional houses in my home that I can speak about. She is [speaking of] a huge number of houses I have nothing to do with. She then adds the amount of money on houses that [I] have never paid... I paid for my houses. There are five... Don't include things that don't belong to me."

The other houses were not part of his residence, Zuma said.

Referring to a DA march on his Nkandla home earlier this month, led by party leader Helen Zille, the president said he took exception to this.

"You... have leaders of political parties - who don't know whether they're provincial or national - making trips to come and photograph my house.

"And making a laughing stock of my family. I take exception to this."

Comments
  • andrew.fischer.5891 - 2012-11-15 22:35

    I take exception to you using our money for your "security". Like twenty SUV's in a convoy isn't enough!

      art5SA - 2012-11-16 05:29

      He is AVOIDING the question...Once again!!!! What the people of South Africa want to know is WHY ARE WE, THETAX PAYERS PAYING for your "SECURITY UPGRADES"?????????? FFS!

      erich.goosen - 2012-11-16 10:39

      Is Shabir Shaik the bond holder?

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-11-17 04:28

      Zoemies , if normal people pay a bond on R200mil, they must pay R1.7 mil per month installments, but then again it must be a Anc calculation, Julius earn R20000 per month with a R16mil house

      tyson.love.94 - 2012-11-17 08:23

      Hey u Stupidos, R200 m is for security because he is the president of the country not because of his choosing, which the same money is still paid to secure Apartheid presidents.

      lekkeperd.chevyss - 2012-11-17 08:28

      " Reactid angrily. my ass Shower head, that is what you should do right now while our country is bleeding and you are building your kaya. You are the worts ever thing that could have ever happend to this country. I hope a mirracle happen soon and you are not part of it. Go to your Kaya in Hell!

  • FinalJustice - 2012-11-15 22:36

    Give and take a few in any direction, my simplified calculations at 1% indicates a monthly premium of approximately R2mil per month? Unless it was financed by the 'Rational Bank of Mugabe' of course.

  • Sharmay - 2012-11-15 22:38

    No, the taxpayer is paying your bond..

  • di.hingley - 2012-11-15 22:40

    If he still has a bond on his home he then can add the R250m to his existing bond and hand back the money to the government coffers so it may be used to build RDP houses, hospitals and schools!

  • asdhasgd - 2012-11-15 22:42

    If his statements are true and this his family is paying for the residences...how did they accumulate SO much wealth in the 4 years Zuma has been in office? HOW THE HELL did they over 200 million rand?? THAT is what i want to know and if he can explain that i will believe him.

  • kaapse.snaai - 2012-11-15 22:42

    oH So, these house have nothing to do with you? tell me more about why they are being built if they are not for u?

  • SharonE - 2012-11-15 22:42

    I can't decide what's worse, the fact that he tells these stories, or the fact that he expects us to believe them!!

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-15 22:58

      Or the fact the believes what he is saying ne?

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-11-15 23:33

      or that there's stil a few stupid enough to believe him

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-16 08:39

      The fact we're all paying his salary.

  • gungets.tuft - 2012-11-15 22:53

    Yeah right. So the banks loaned you R200 million, against what income, R3 million a year. Say every cent of that goes to the bond, it will take 66 years to pay if off, without interest. With 5% interest, over 66 years, the monthly payment is over R9.5 million. Sorry bru, it doesn't add up. If it did then why wait 2 weeks before "defending" yourself, did old Liar Liar Mac Maharaj need time to teach you the little speech. Keeeeeeeeerrrapp. We are paying for it. And finally .. key point my fat backside. Bunker means you are expecting a little "Arab Spring" .. bad news chap, they will pour petrol down your little bunker and smoke you out.

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-11-15 23:29

      zuma probably understand half the shyte he gets up to. What a moron. Oxygen thief

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-16 06:35

      Well.......@gungets......I want to be a customer of THAT bank then. At his age, and small salary, a R200 million loan?? nah. What did he put up as security?

  • shadung.raymond - 2012-11-15 22:56

    It has reached the boiling point.......

  • Tony.Montana.Moelenyane - 2012-11-15 23:05

    Well done Lindiwe Mazibuko for being my Voice when I needed it most,even though they tried to scare you,but you just outclassed him

      ravit.reddy.3 - 2012-11-16 06:16

      Does not take much to out class this i***t. however hats off to her for having the guts. she has my vote come 2014

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-11-15 23:05

    There were so many conflicting stories about who owns the property..first it was reported that it was state owned, then it belonged to a Trust, then it was communal, and Zuma never owned the title deeds, now it is his private property!!! When all this started why didn't he just open his mouth and tell everyone the truth (well I don't know if this is even the truth)!!!! By doing this he just makes himself look more guilty why couldn't he have been more transparent!!!

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-16 07:17

      Terry, "the African way" aka JZ is proof that they are too arrogant or just plain dof to realize the value of transparency on important matters in a democracy. Seems we live in another country than these fools. They are genuinely believing themselves when they think they "own it all", instead that this country belongs to all of it's citizens. They were merely given an opportunity to govern out finances, security etc. I bet you my last cent that if the secrecy bill was in effect, any information about this thievery would've been hidden from us

      luytster - 2012-11-16 08:46

      This is tribal land and cannot be sold therefore there are no title deeds and no bond.

      zondra.hoffmann - 2012-11-16 10:41

      Transparency is MUD in this country. We were promised that would be the goal for all Government activity as from 1994. What may have started out that way in 1994 with Madiba, has now gone horribly wrong. Under the carpet, behind closed doors, under the table, jobs for cader brothers and family, fraud and corruption, interference in our justice system, denial of accountability, race preference (BEE first and foremost) and rife and inexcusable incompetence abounding. We are in a sorry state indeed. Transparency bedamn!!!

  • Erna - 2012-11-15 23:11

    Prove it!

  • maruis.kleynhans - 2012-11-15 23:11

    Dear mister president. It's very easy to stop the people complaining about 'your' private house and harassing you about it. Show the legal paperwork as it has been requested and we will keep quite. It's as simple as that. Wow you would have thought of that. But I do have my doubts a out it considering you don't have the most cleanest past. Once again show the public the proof and we will keep quite and stop harassing you. It is so true that when you hear less about a goverment of a country the more efficient they are. And my word we do hear a lot from our goverment. I realy had to bite my tongue on this as I'm getting real tired of you and your stealing, lying, corrupt bunch of friends making it almost impossible to say anything good about our goverment.

  • thabo.swafo - 2012-11-15 23:13

    Just resign mr president.

      mzokhonaaaron.vilakazi - 2012-11-16 04:00

      In ur dreams

      ravit.reddy.3 - 2012-11-16 06:24

      Sally: No shame dear. Just have a shower it will wash away the shame, like a shower will wash away AIDS. LOL

      david.herr.963 - 2012-11-16 09:09

      He can't resign, he will go straight to prison for corruption.

      maredi.mello.75 - 2012-11-16 12:04

      Tama Morena, ke kwana nago.

  • jac.visser - 2012-11-15 23:16

    "I was advised that the security upgrades were... necessary in terms of the National Key Points Act," he said." So in fact he expects to stay the president of this country, because why would he need all the security? I've heard some whoppers in my life but this one... and he expects us to respect him? Damn... He's good.

  • dee.bone.39 - 2012-11-15 23:54

    if Zuma is stealing so much and his cronies are stealing their share, then what kind of troble are we in financially as a country. By their example, we are in serious trouble as a country. Especially as they will be running riot for few terms at least. Besides the money THEY are stealing, every foreign investor will jump in to take their cut. How can anyone measure the *** we are in? we need to make a serious effort to make the electorate understand the danger of ANC rule. Racist comments are certainly counter productive.

  • wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-11-15 23:56

    "Making a laughing stock of his family.?" Well, his indecent behaviour as a person has brought this perception upon himself. His 700+ criminal charges; his 2009 lovechild; his involvement in the Arms Deal Scandal; his involvement in the convenient shortening of Shabir Shaik's prison sentence; his many wives and many, many children; his "Showering cures AIDS" fiasco; his efforts to silence his critics through unconstitutional Laws; and now this nonsense. Jacob Zuma has always been an absolute Joke, but a joke which is more nauseous than funny.

      zondra.hoffmann - 2012-11-16 10:52

      You've hit the nail on its head. Don't forget the "appointments" he made all over the show to cover his tracks, to enable him to manipulate the law, making a mockery of our country as a whole. Now he even wants to stop us from joking about him when he is the joke of the year, but the tragedy of the year to boot!!!

  • edwin.phadu - 2012-11-16 00:03

    Its too late Mr President the damaged is already done, you had opportunity to clear your name but you were advised otherwise,therefore we have lost confidence in your leadership as a nation, you are the most luckiest President I can think off because majority sympathyse with you,because they feel like you are the victim of circumstances and they will keep you in power,in order for them to continue looting states funds.

  • seun.mogotji - 2012-11-16 00:06

    Zuma paying bond?

      maredi.mello.75 - 2012-11-16 12:17

      I doubt it very much, he is too used to freebies!

      chris.phago - 2012-11-16 16:03

      With stolen money

  • steve.luckie - 2012-11-16 01:01

    The man is lying to his teeth, zuma is it quite easy to see through you.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-11-16 02:42

      Yes, he thinks we are all stupid or he believes his own BS.. Typical NPD

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-11-16 02:26

    I dont believe

  • joseph.mantsoe - 2012-11-16 02:29

    You better bail yourself out of your Homestead Nkandla stories Mr President, I'm 1 of those people who don't buy your story with regards to your top luxury life. Just step down from the Gravy train, you've chowed a lot of money and your children are the Tycoons of today so do you really want to have some more? Ooh please don't be greedy just resign, if you go for second term that means you are going to marry another 5wives yss!

  • archie.mooki - 2012-11-16 03:52

    there is a tax evasion scheme here , family members must be earning millions and their tax declaration need to be checked...caught with your pants down .I don't buy bond story....worse in rural .

      Otono Otono - 2012-11-16 04:34

      fully agree wit u Mooki, i don't buy dat bond story its jst a cover!

  • Lekgetho Tseki - 2012-11-16 04:17

    leave the President alone hao madoda,

      neil.ross.5473 - 2012-11-16 09:23

      @ Lekgetho. He's my president too. He is paid for by me by my tax money. He works for me. I am his boss. As with any boss anywhere in the world, it is my job to point out an employee's failings in order to get him to perform a better job. That's all, Lekgetho. Don't you want the people you pay for to do the best job they can?

      maredi.mello.75 - 2012-11-16 12:29

      why must we leave him alone when he is stealing our money?

  • mfanah.radebe - 2012-11-16 04:39

    la e Means they are people who just wanna bring down adaz so that they can also get a chance to be THERE?\r\nAn that zille must stay there in cape town,lot of shirt is happening there in cape an she's like behind ANC all the time.\r\nGet over yourself try an fix that racist cape town if you so good,wara wara all the time.\r\nI think Zille must be the real Gobhoza presenter she's so good in gossiping liars

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 05:46

      Zille doesn't spent millions and millions of our money on bunkers, helicopter pads, private clinics and bullitt proof windows. She still drives to work in her 6 year old Toyota Pruis ! - the attributes of a true leader.

      ernesttebogo.gama - 2012-11-16 06:31

      The more u hate him u make him more strong

  • bobby.jaan.92 - 2012-11-16 04:55

    Dear Mr President - we are not questioning who paid for your property but WHO is going to pay for the security upgrades. The real question is: why do you need such extensive security measures at a private residence? Maybe because you are planning something revolutionery in the very near future that will require you to have such extensive security measures such as underground bunkers, etc.?

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 06:47

      ernest..... agree 100% the country is "ruled". The anc can NEVER govern.

      zondra.hoffmann - 2012-11-16 11:24

      This is exactly the reason why Zuma want to borrow from the Apartheid era it's "secrecy" laws, and media coverage blocking. Now he even wants to add "stop poking fun at the President". He has already succeeded in getting away with side-stepping the Judiciary - eliminating their efficiency and clout - now he wants to even add to all these stupidities by trying to make a mockery of our Constitution? I may just add that proof is impossible to find in South Africa - no Investigation has EVER been properly concluded sine 1994, nor has jail sentences been equally carried out. Just be a friend of Zuma, and you will not go to jail, no matter the guilty verdict! Proven fact!!!

  • Mamokwee Rathipa - 2012-11-16 04:56

    People hate Zuma for nothing.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 06:49

      If you understand "nothing" to be the sum of "783", I fully agree and so will many, many more!

      maredi.mello.75 - 2012-11-16 12:32

      People hate Zuma because he is a thief, period!

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-18 14:40

      I detest him because he is enriching himself and not fixing anything. When so many people are poor and jobless, is it right for the man who should be leading this country to spend R200 million on his private home? He has no shame!

  • Karabo Phetoane - 2012-11-16 05:11

    @papama I think the acid is exploding in your head and you thinking with a white man's head,they convinced you apartheid was good for you and they still convincing that our new SA is bad.wake up hothead!

      linda.horsfield.77 - 2012-11-19 08:25

      It shows a lack of intellect when a person cannot stick to the topic - and have to bring in irrelevant subjects! NO ONE has said that apartheid was good - but by raising it you are hoping to divert attention away from the topic being discussed - namely THE THEFT OF TAXPAYERS MONEY TO PAY FOR EXCESSIVE ENHANCEMENTS TO A PRIVATE PERSONS HOME... Capital letters so you MIGHT be able to understand.. except you clearly have the moronic mentality that Blacks can never be critized or doanything wrong because of apartheid

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-16 05:13

    Show us the bond agreement and your bank statement or we won't believe you.

  • barry.pointeer - 2012-11-16 05:13

    hes such atit-- oops am i aloud to say that???

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-11-16 05:17

    Bring it on William! Lets sort this out once and for all and rebuild this country as our forefathers did before. Whats left of it!

      bongani.nzimande - 2012-11-16 05:59

      Mxm

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 06:03

      ..Kenneth and you back to West Africa where you flee from to get away from your next door tribe!

      William Mohlolo - 2012-11-16 06:56

      Your forefathers were nothing but greedy people who used our forefathers. They didn't build this country but they stand and watch when my forefathers build this country. If you want it don't worry we blacks take time and we can carry pain for long time but when time arrives no one would stop us. To that lost minded who said some blacks are from west Africa, he must go back and feed his empty head with more information even if some of blacks in South Africa are from West they are Africans. Anywhere around the world where you see black man know that he's an african. Remember that once we fight for our country the whole Africa will be over you because they are waiting for that day! South African whites are don't even liked by their fellow europeans because of their devil thoughts and treatments. You are disgrace world wide.

      karel.dutoit.50 - 2012-11-16 21:13

      William as you say the whites are not like world wide. Have you seen what the world think of a person without propper schooling with corruption charges dropped with rape charges that was brought agains him. What about the joke of a law proposed not to make fun of his stupidity? You think the world doesint like the white South Africans. Please do yourself a favour and look at what the world has got to say about this joke of a precident.

  • rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 05:28

    The SARS ATM at Zoo-gate NEVER runs dry!

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-16 05:30

    Zuma will be removed like any other failed leader in the world. His own people will turn on him. 'You can fool some people some times, but you can't fool all the people all the time.' I hope that bunker has enough food for the rest if your life Zuma!

      ernesttebogo.gama - 2012-11-16 06:05

      Hey wena Altus Kirsten or whoever u r what r u planning 2 do with ur right wing family as r talking abt the bunker : don't even try uzonya msunu kanyoko

      karel.dutoit.50 - 2012-11-16 21:14

      Its the black that will remove zooma the whites will only stand to the side and enjoy the popcorn.

      brendon.napier - 2012-11-17 02:41

      And what about the blacks killing blacks of a different type? zenofobia? when the whites where here the blacks lived in the bush. You are still living in a system created by the whites; computer, technology, clothing. You want it all, want to live like us but you hate us? William?

  • kenneth.hlabane.5 - 2012-11-16 05:33

    Thanks Mr President for explanation, but I still think is rite tym 4 u

  • gerry.klos - 2012-11-16 05:38

    On you salary pay off a bond for R 250 million? Do the maths yourself Mr President.

      ernesttebogo.gama - 2012-11-16 05:53

      Hey Gerry or whoever u r stop talking abt figures u r not sure abt,this propaganda material is making u more racist : Zuma is ur president like it or not jou gat

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 06:23

      sam: "...........and from his [zuma] private businessess....." The president of South Africa are NOT allowed to have a private business.... but nouja, why do I waste my time trying to explain it to you. You will never understand how a democracy works. Zuma and every single government official are our "employees". We pay their salaries - they have to serve us.

      dave.hardman - 2012-11-16 08:02

      Fact: the Government paid the R200m! Question: What is his bond paying for? Fact: he will remain in charge because he is a BLACK ZULU, and not for any other reason. FACT: his supporters have the same mentality, it's not about leadership or governance, it's about having a BLACK man in charge. From the excuses, comments and retorts in these pages I am led to believe that the BLACKS are the racists. It is clear that Zuma and his government are incompetent

      sam.ntshangase - 2012-11-16 09:03

      @RockyBel, are u refering to your apartheid you enjoyed as democracy

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 10:23

      Sam, I would go as far as to say that apartheid was closer to a democracy then the present day anarchy.

      brendon.napier - 2012-11-16 21:25

      A black president is fine but he is spending the hard earned money of all the south african people.

      brendon.napier - 2012-11-16 21:27

      At the end of the day it is black people who sit without homes or education because of self serving spending. But I guess those things are not so bad as long as he is black?

  • AntiThesis - 2012-11-16 05:41

    When you start taking exception to people not belelieving your lies.....

  • matthew.hendey.50 - 2012-11-16 05:56

    Does anyone know if all these comments reach Mr Zuma or Even has the time to read them ?

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 06:24

      ...with a std 3 education????? Agree - will take quite a while nd then again we will have to listen to even more BS and lies.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-11-16 06:02

    kenneth we are going NOWHERE! WE going to sort out this mess you lot have made

      Whzzgud - 2012-11-16 09:25

      I hope so Bru, I hope so coz these mense F'd this country up solid.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-11-16 06:04

    Doesn't matter! He ignores official petitions handed over in public,so don't expect him to respond here either.

  • sakhile.makhathini.7 - 2012-11-16 06:08

    I think we are pre judging the outcome of the investigations. We need to be asking questions not accusing. Who can table the facts eg the invoices paid to the contractors of the Nkandla security upgrade? He said the upgrade done on his home perimeter are bulletproof windows, bunker n perimeter fence. The rest of the houses for security personnel are outside his perimeter fence which I think incl the gymnasium. So what I gather here there is no denying that houses were built but what he is saying there were not for his family use. He holds the view that even that upgrade can't cost 200m. Let's get all the facts n then make sound judgement. Remember Mdluli

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-11-16 06:10

    If you live in zoo expect to be photographed.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-16 07:33

      ZOOgate?????????? lmao

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-16 06:12

    Arms deal money now comes in handy! Laundering the money before releasing the tapes.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-11-16 06:13

    If you live in a zoo expect to be photographed!

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-16 15:36

      remnant of appartheid! Passing on the legacy! You should be ashamed old man!

      brendon.napier - 2012-11-17 02:45

      look how the blacks today create apartheid towards other blacks?

  • spyaffe - 2012-11-16 06:13

    Zuma sits there in his high tower with All the security in the world. Not realizing that by each passing day ordinary South Africans are struggling to make ends met each month. The more he enjoys the luxury of his life the more the struggle becomes meaningless as he becomes just like those responsible for apartheid. If he truly cared for the welfare of South Africans he would even use his own money to help those in need instead of jet setting, home improvements and paying labola for every new women that he marries. He is a man like every other who once gets his hands on money becomes greedy and just wants more and more. He lost his integrity and moral compass along time ago. So what was the point in the end for him to have fought so hard for freedom when you live to become the person you fought against for so long.

      zondra.hoffmann - 2012-11-16 11:44

      Spyaffe - Congratulations on saying it how it is. The best comment I have read today!

  • Sarah Maphologela - 2012-11-16 06:19

    we r facin alt of poverty,unemployment n yet our president is usin tax payers' money 2 built a house worth millions,blk ppl arent good leaders evrywhr,thrs always corruption behiind em,evn our president is promotin corruption,i hop motlanthe will do far bettr thn zuma,cnt w8 4 mangaung

      William Mohlolo - 2012-11-16 07:44

      For your information black people are not good in leadership. Is Motlanthe white? You are so fooled that you can't even see when you insult your own people.

      karel.dutoit.50 - 2012-11-16 21:17

      Motlanthe is not a leader he is a follower. a true leader would have spoken out against corruption.

  • promise.ozuzu - 2012-11-16 06:20

    I cry for SA..... The way we talk and things we say to our President!

      maredi.mello.75 - 2012-11-16 12:43

      i also cry for South Africa because we have a thief for prsident.

  • DAZZLEHEAD - 2012-11-16 06:22

    Man o Man dont insult OUR intelligence....

  • John.Yossarian22 - 2012-11-16 06:25

    Notice "every room we use". Protecting himself I don't use my children's bedroom or bathroom either, so why must I pay for it? And all those "guest rooms"?

  • koloanea - 2012-11-16 06:28

    We seem to have difficulty in separating fiction from facts. Victim mentality always shadows reality and brings forth sympathy. We have mastered this game whilst the country is on a spiral downfall.

  • Happy Eric Sekgobela - 2012-11-16 06:28

    Promise r u a safrican coz what u just said u sounded like u r not resident of this country or maybe u r not paying tax

      promise.ozuzu - 2012-11-16 07:45

      @Happy, yes am in SA, i pay my tax.. Seen all the comment here i feel sorry! I may not like him;We don't need to use words and call the President names for we to make our poin! That will not change anything!what are we saying to our kids?