Nkandla committee at odds over mandate

2014-08-29 12:08

Cape Town - Opposition parties on Friday refused to elect the chair of the new parliamentary committee on the Nkandla controversy until its mandate had been clarified, to ensure the public protector's report is not sidelined.

Democratic Alliance MP James Selfe said the opposition agreed beforehand to argue that "at the heart of it is the public protector's report and we need to be absolutely certain that all relevant documentation will be consulted".

Economic Freedom Fighters leader Julius Malema made plain the opposition feared that the ruling party could not be trusted to uphold Public Protector Thuli Madonsela's findings.

Instead, he said after the meeting, it (the African National Congress) would want President Jacob Zuma's bitterly contested submission to Parliament on Nkandla - in which he declined to comment on her report - to be accepted as the last word on the controversy that had haunted him for years.

"I know exactly what the ANC is going to do. They are going to come here and accept the president's report as an accurate reflection of what happened and say the matter is closed."


The ANC reluctantly conceded that the first meeting of the committee be adjourned, but afterwards appeared at odds with the opposition as to what would happen next.

According to DA parliamentary leader Mmusi Maimane, it was understood that the terms of reference of the committee would be referred back to the National Assembly to be elaborated.

But Cedric Frolick, the ANC's nominee for chairperson, said there was no need to do this.

"It simply requires further discussion but the secretary will be called and the Speaker will be called in to discuss it. I have stated the view of the ANC, as far as the proposal is concerned there is definitely a trust deficit and that can be dealt with without taking it back to the National Assembly."

The issue caused heated debate in the chamber earlier this month when the DA argued unsuccessfully that the terms of reference of the committee were too vague and had to be redrafted.

A motion to this effect was voted down by the ANC, with chief whip Stone Sizani saying the opposition should accept assurances that the committee would consider all relevant documents.

  • Neziswa Luthuli - 2014-08-29 12:16

    Obviously the ANC will try to sideline the PP's report....that is what this whole thing is about...I hope they don't succeed.

      Andre Neuhoff - 2014-08-29 12:34

      People are crying,people are dying because those they trust are lying.

      Made-In SA - 2014-08-29 13:22

      And the EFF voted with the ANC last time around when the DA asked that the terms of reference of the ad hoc committee must specifically include the PP report.The ANC said it is not necessary that the PP report be included in the terms of reference,and the EFF voted with the ANC on that.

  • Rod Glod - 2014-08-29 12:16

    I agree with the EFF tactics in parliament about this Anytime Zuma opens his mouth , the refrain from the peanut gallery or anyone there should be PAY BACK THE MONEY...PAY BACK THE MONEY...PAY BACK THE MONEY...PAY BACK THE MONEY...PAY BACK THE MONEY...PAY BACK THE MONEY...

      Made-In SA - 2014-08-29 13:34

      Pay back the money is not good enough.Evidence should be gathered now for a theft and fraud case to be opened.This is self enriching and I am very sure money was fraudulently obtained here.

      Johan Fourie - 2014-08-29 13:46

      And the tax man must get involved here...If zoomer benefitted from this upgrades he must pay tax on that benefit. Nail him for tax evasion too

  • Beaulah Fortuin - 2014-08-29 12:17


  • piet.vanzyl - 2014-08-29 12:26

    Stone, do you seriously believe that anyone will go on your word? Eish, a lying, corrupt party cannot expect that from anyone (look at your track record). Well, the day the ANC owns up to something they did wrong is the day that I will start getting respect for them again

      adinparadise - 2014-08-29 13:56

      Would you buy a used car from Stone? I'm thinking that maybe it was he who leaked the letter.

  • Danie Nel - 2014-08-29 12:27

    Julle mors 'n moerse klomp geld. Daar kom nooit iets produktiefs uit hierdie ondersoeke nie.

  • lood.klerk - 2014-08-29 12:30

    It is time we all just say it! Zuma is a fraud and thief and must be removed! No more committees and reports! How can you be so dikvellig to always just want to get out of it and get your party to help you! No more! ANC is fed up!

  • mmmmTim - 2014-08-29 12:32

    The cANCer just don't understand that the more they defend the indefensible, the more stupid and immoral they all look, and the more upport and votes they are losing. A lot of people in cANCer need to develop a backbone and say NO, enough is enough to lies

  • Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2014-08-29 12:32

    We've been given assurances, many many times. The investigation into the Arms Deal. Travelgate. eTolls. Etc etc. No, ANC, we don't trust your assurances. We want a clear mandate. That fits the issue. That makes the PP Report (note, it's the only legally binding and constitutionally binding report) the primary report to be dealt with.

  • Julia Meyer - 2014-08-29 12:42

    How many committees and task teams are they going to set up for this scandal? More money wasted! Just pay back the money already!

  • Khutso Bokaba - 2014-08-29 12:45

    What is the ANC trying to hide? Why are they against everyone when it comes to Nkandla? Why can't the matter be discussed without any limits???

  • Ledger Barnard Colleen - 2014-08-29 12:48

    ANCfighting tooth and nail to protect Number 1. The public want answers. 155 million must be paid back. Terms of reference, when and how. Thats it

      Stefan Van Der Spuy - 2014-08-29 13:57

      Number 1? he's more like a 0 on a contract to me. He might be the current president, but I wish people would stop referring to him as No 1, he's not worthy of it.

  • Khuliso Mutsha - 2014-08-29 12:49

    Opposition parties had All their hopes pined on Nkandla during election, that stratergy did not work, It Will again not work after election.

      Khuliso Mutsha - 2014-08-29 13:03

      Ten thumbs down?

      Janine Filmer - 2014-08-29 13:08

      Am I correct that you have no problem with JZ using MILLIONS of rand of taxpayers' money to build himself a compound?

      Khuliso Mutsha - 2014-08-29 13:14

      I do have a problem with that money spent, ANC has a problem Too, thats why heads must roll. But the PP did not find the president To have requested for,these things, My problem is,that,People are,demanding payment from My president as if he requested for,All these things

      Bhekinkosi Langa - 2014-08-29 13:26

      Khuliso elections were rigged particularly in GP. Where on earth have u ever learn that the counted ballot papers are put on the streets like what happened the last elections.

      Jonathan Woods - 2014-08-29 13:48

      Khuliso, you are the type your president likes the most, easily led by the nose . Not like those clever people that he hates because they always want answers to difficult questions. But time will tell and eventually one way or another justice will be done. Open your eyes and look around you. All those who have behaved like zuma is now have mostly met with horrible deaths at the hands of their own people !

  • Freddy Twala - 2014-08-29 12:56

    Just leave the president alone to run the country. Every president had security upgrades at their houses why not President Zuma. I mean it is not his fault that he still want to stay in Nkandla and we know how dangerous that place can be. So the cost is within range. You keep hating and he keeps winning. We are behind him all the way.

      Basimane Molapi - 2014-08-29 13:00

      Wat does chicken run nd swimmin pool hav to do with security, o bua marete fela..

      arthur.salvado - 2014-08-29 13:05


      Beaulah Fortuin - 2014-08-29 13:07

      Freddie does Zuma know how dangerous it is to live on the Cape Flats?????

      Norman Mothomeng Namane - 2014-08-29 13:12

      Wa tagwa son, stop this nyaope thing. Ya go palla boy

      Marius du Plessis - 2014-08-29 13:13

      No hate here Freddy, we only want justice and the truth.

      Bhekinkosi Langa - 2014-08-29 13:18

      Freddy u have an egg on your face u need a bar of soap to wash after that go nd upgrade your 30% passmark bcos your comment tells us that u cannot defferentiate between SECURITY nd LUXURY eg Swimming Pool,Cattle Kraal etc.

      Motlogelwa Seloana - 2014-08-29 13:29

      it ws beta if u wer crazy/mad. instead of being stupid bloody fool.

      Scrotie McBoogerballs McBoogerballs - 2014-08-29 13:48

      Obviously you don't have the slightest understanding the effect corruption has on the economy.

      Jonathan Woods - 2014-08-29 14:00

      Freddy , we understand how difficult it must be for you to understand these complicated things when like you president you cant count and don't understand about cost allocation versus unnecessary cost escalation. And then there are all the unnecessary additions that have absolutely nothing to do with security. Then again everything must be so hard for you to understand when you cannot even comprehend basic right and wrong.

  • Neziswa Luthuli - 2014-08-29 13:09

    We dont want the money for security upgrades. We want the extra money for non security measures...the amphitheatre and all

      Jonathan Woods - 2014-08-29 14:08

      Right especially concidering that the original allocation for the "security upgrades" was only in the region of R27 million, which was still a lot. WE WANT THE OTHER R222 million or so returned for normal tax usage for infrastructure and the good of the citizens of this country !

  • Themba Nsele - 2014-08-29 13:12

    infinite thumbs up

  • Thomas Motimele - 2014-08-29 13:15

    JC thinks he is invinsible but i tell you God is watching and you gonna pay. PLEASE PAY BACK THE MONEY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE...

  • Glenn Owen Watkins - 2014-08-29 13:20

    This whole situation has reached a point of absolute insane proportion. It was published that the budgeted amount was initially R28 mil, which on its own seems exhorbitant,and the intended purpose was SECURITY UPGRADES we now know that R246 mil HAS BEEN SPENT!!! Although Thuli's report does not imply Shower-Head was "directly" involved, in happened at his PERSONAL residence, therefore it is correct to infer he has and had intimate knowledge of the proceedings. Now more money is to be wasted on proving the already known????? Firstly he is in the position of "custodian" of state resources, if he did not put in the proper systems and policies to prevent this he is guilty of not fulfilling his mandate and as such is not fit for the position. Secondly, to spend R246 mil on construction is not a weeks worth of effort, this is something that has been coming a long way down the line, there were plenty opportunities for him to question the non security related alterations, because common sense tells you that it is not within the scope of the original objective. He saw the proceedings and benefitted from them while not raising any flags along the way... Really, this is another delay and divert tactic, a load of rubbish, it does nothing but tarnish the ANC's image and ability in the eye of the public. He should be removed from office with immediate effect for him to answer to this and other related matters. And held accountable. Failing to do this is failing the country at large

  • Solomon Lebelo - 2014-08-29 13:20

    Thank you for being clever,the ANC thnks they can always get away with murder,its high time opposition realises that they have to stick together despite their differences in matters of national interest

  • William Lebotschy - 2014-08-29 13:25

    Will grind to a halt like the arms enquiry. Comrades have rallied around the fat chief, as they know which side their bread is buttered.

  • pmalungana - 2014-08-29 13:27

    Democracy is being tested. On matters of this nature the majoritarian principle needs to be put aside. We can't count the vote of majority of criminals and say the will of the people has been taken into account. The terms of reference should include the retired judgment considering all the inputs and decide on the best outcome.

  • pmalungana - 2014-08-29 13:29

    We are finished if the DA participate on the committee in its current form .

  • Johan Nothnagel - 2014-08-29 13:37

    Aaagggg....this country is so corrupted !!!!!- watch Slimeball Showerhead get away with this.....why can't he just take that wheel on his ANC emblem and just rolls away

  • Nin Ja Kitty - 2014-08-29 13:45

    Oi! No ways, they have just got this shindig together and they are already at odds over it. What are we to expect as this saga goes on. They will eventually all conveniently agree to disagree and this will be something else that gets swept under the carpet.

      Ian Trenor - 2014-08-29 13:57

      That's Africa boet. Won't change

  • Archie Dempster - 2014-08-29 14:14

    Why can't say it will include the PP report

  • Joao Duarte - 2014-08-29 15:03

    If it had been anywhere else in the democratic world, this president would have stepped down already. Not only has it been a miss use of funds for private gain, but now the more resources are being spent on deliberating over it what a circus. Step down mister president for the sake od the country.

  • Sterling Ferguson - 2014-08-29 17:06

    @Eric, the country is more important than the parties so, there is nothing wrong with the DA and EFF working together.

  • Pogiso Mekgwe - 2014-08-30 10:51

    Now I like it,Let the fight for our right to know what happen go on and protect our democracy,ons is gatvol

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