Nkandlagate bickering continues

2012-11-06 22:16

Cape Town - Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi on Tuesday roasted the DA for "self-seeking antics" linked to an outcry over security refurbishments to President Jacob Zuma's private home.

Nxesi and two government colleagues reacted to calls from opposition benches in the National Assembly.

This was after they were urged to condemn Zuma supporters who blocked Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille from carrying out an "inspection" at Nkandla, KwaZulu-Natal, on Sunday.

"These were the tantrums of a spoiled child desperately seeking attention in a world where they've become largely irrelevant," Nxesi proclaimed.

Deputy International Relations Minister Marius Fransman also weighed in, accusing the DA of being "dishonest".

He suggested violent protests in the farming area of De Doorns in the Western Cape over poor working conditions and wages the past few days were as a result of farmers connected to the Democratic Alliance.

"It is very hypocritical to come to another province, while in your own backyard you have this dilemma... that's what you have to answer for," said Fransman.

Sensitive issues

Earlier in the House, DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko drew comparisons between the security afforded to the president at Nkandla to that provided for pupils she recently visited at Ga-Molapo, Limpopo.

Mazibuko said four children had been raped in the past two years as a result of the dangerous path they had to walk to school.

"The learners of Limpopo need the same level of security afforded to president Zuma in Nkandla," Mazibuko said.

She said it was unacceptable that dozens of homes would be built in Nkandla to house police and air force personnel.

"While there's no clear and present danger at Nkandla, it is clear what danger the children of Ga-Molapo are in," she said.

Deputy Education Minister Enver Surty said it was unfortunate that violations against school children were being used by parties to score political points.

He said while the DA-led Western Cape had the highest levels of foetal alcohol syndrome, children affected by gang violence, and substance abuse among pupils, it was not seen as dereliction of duty by the provincial government, but a national responsibility.

"We do urge the honourable leader of the largest minority party, to caution her against the exploitation of sensitive issues of abuse for political purposes," Surty said.

DA MP Debbie Schafer said the fact that ANC leaders did not condemn the actions of its members, who prevented Zille from inspecting Nkandla, was "shameful".

She questioned the police's conduct in stopping Zille from carrying out her walkabout at Nkandla.

"We know Helen Zille is scary, but what threat did she pose to the security of the president?" said Schafer.

  • geronimo.feather - 2012-11-06 22:26

    We support you DA! Expose the shameful Nkandlagate and the shameful ANC! Don't stand down to these ignorant, uneducated, thieving, dictatorial ANC bullies!

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-11-06 23:34

      Amazing, the last report I saw on the De Doorn protests, the police said it probably wasn't pay related, leave to the ANC to twist the story to their advantage. That way we can bamboozle the voters and lead them away from the real story, that of corruption, theft, nepotism and tender fruad within the ruling party. Why the heck can't the voters see the reality?! The ANC has lost it's principles, it's way, it's vision, it's dream, all in pursuit of wealth and wealth by any means.

      paul.meso - 2012-11-07 11:42


      steward.debruin - 2012-11-09 00:59

      @wesley.bischoff Zuma is an atheist at best, so his comment/statement is sarcastic. As to God existing or not, please point me to the one that proved to you that he does not. I would love to hear how he/she got to that conclusion. As far as I know the greatest scientists in the world cannot prove or disprove it, yet you can make that claim with absolute certainty. You are just too cleva.

  • Adil Smit - 2012-11-06 22:31

    The timing of the sudden Western Cape strike will help to take away the media's attention from Nkandlagate and Marikana.

      morwen.fourie - 2012-11-06 22:37

      I agree! De Doorns was the perfect ANC diversion from the mess they have found themselves in.

  • goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-06 22:32

    And that is why we don't like the African way....not because of anyone's skin colour but because of the idiotic behavior...

  • nkosinathi.khanyile.9 - 2012-11-06 22:33

    What did the DA do wrong now? The moment JZ's house is upgraded using Tax Payer's money, the house then loses being a private home. Its becomes a puplic property!

      Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-06 23:09

      Last reports were that many Rmillions had been poured into land registered to a tribal trust and not to a private person's ownership AND THAT IS NOT ALLOWED! If that is the case, then the created establishment should be turned into a resort stopover for international paying tourists to frolic from game reserve to safari close by and the zuma/mfeka etc lot moved out. Right or wrong? Business opportunity & incoming revenue stream - all the things most sought after by SA. Maybe even a few celebrities can arrange weddings there with zulu dancers in the moonlight, though most have better taste in venues.

      penny.stone.589 - 2012-11-07 07:01

      I wonder what type of residence all those "bussed" ANC members live in. It would have been great if they'd all had a photograph of their "residences" to show that they too lived in a huge "compound" like their oh, so wonderful prez, with helipads and underground bunkers served by lifts. Bet they don't though.

  • stef.fourie.7 - 2012-11-06 22:36

    Go DA go! Xpose these corrupt africans

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-06 23:11

      oh no bro they'll get offended if you call em africans. you can call em either tsotsi's, izininyoga's, skelms, idiots, shmuks, morons...they seem to like those.

      dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-11-06 23:41

      Stef the DA is smarter than these ANC Fcknuts! Helen Zille is a pain in the ass for the Anc because she is exposing their devious ways. Everyone that votes for the ANC is totally retarted but hey there is no cure for stupidity. Like showerhead said let's do it the African way. Soon you will all see what it means to wage real warfare. But then again let's hope it never comes to that. Viva DA viva kom tannie Zille v#k hulle op!

      penny.stone.589 - 2012-11-07 07:05

      You are the quintessential idiot. I too am "african". Just because I have a white skin does not mean I am not "african". I too was born in Africa - hence I am African - and proud of it.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 08:57

      @Mwande it definitely is not ok. People like him are few. There aren't as many racists as we think. They are in the minority.... stupidity is in the minority.

  • pieter.calitz - 2012-11-06 22:45

    What are the ANC doing in Parliament? Don't they know it is racist to go to a place paid for by the tax payer?

      patricia.lee.9484 - 2012-11-07 12:09

      hulle gaan om die pap@vleis af te slaap,en om te droom vir wie hulle next gaan defraud.hahaha.

  • dali.mpofu.9 - 2012-11-06 22:54

    They talk about public money, yet they want to privatise Telkom n everything that is public. Isn't that not robbing or disowning the public?

  • Jason - 2012-11-06 23:03

    The DA should institute a class action and reclaim the money stolen from the tax coffers.

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-06 23:11


      patricia.lee.9484 - 2012-11-07 12:14

      Make it a Johonny Black,hahaha

      elizabeth.bothma.58 - 2012-11-08 13:08

      I just wish we could all lay a theft charge - its our money they are stealing!!!!

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-11-06 23:10

    Nothing wrong with self-seeking publicity. it helps the rest of us to see what is going on and to make up our own minds. Self-seeking? What is wrong with it if it helps us to appreciate reality. The self-seekers benefit and in the process the rest of us benefit when the truth and reality show the ugly facts and potential harmful consequences. Maybe the propandists for the outdated ANC and SACP should find new words to express their nonsense. We have by now become quite immuned to their childish abuse of language.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-06 23:11

    The self-serving one is Zuma. The DA are carrying out their democratic mandate as a watchdog over the actions and inactions of the ruling regime.

  • Carlton - 2012-11-07 00:28

    I cant believe people still vote for the ANC, but yet again I still cant believe people cant pass matric.

  • msizi.luthuli.14 - 2012-11-07 00:37

    Mr President umvimbeleni uHellen Zille ezobika isisu ngesonto????? plsease answer me Mr President.

  • izan.botes.7 - 2012-11-07 01:42

    wow I did not think it possible that someone could sound and look more stupid than malema o jz .....

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-07 01:48

    It does not matter the reason but if it is legal why stop it. The ANC does not condemn the illegal actions of it's members but want to criticise the DA for it's antics. The whole reason why a Marikana happened was because of the lack of assertive leadership and once again they are displaying it here. Shame on you ANC, the day that you are voted out can't come quick enough!

  • izan.botes.7 - 2012-11-07 01:50

    Jamba please stop using the race card...race is the common denominator in most of the problems in this country.

  • Tyrone Grobbelaar - 2012-11-07 01:56

    @ishmael, hate speech like this is a serious offence. It is possible to track your internet address.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 09:08

      Him and Kenny have already been reported :) they can track you IP address morons! HaHAHAHAHA!!!!

      carl.debeer.52 - 2012-11-07 10:29

      Kenny you seem to understand english...thats a start! Now maybe you will understand this...telling somebody they are a moron or stupid is nothing more than an opinion (if you dont know what it means use Google - im assuming you know what that is?). Telling somebody you will rape and kill them as I have read on this site more times than I could ever have imagined is a criminal offence and is considered a threat to someones well-being and safety. Its also considered attempted assault with 'the reasonable apprehension to do harm' to another person. I however dont blame you for not knowing the difference and being uneducated since the money that should go to educating you is currently building Nkandla and lining the pockets of all those leading the ANC. PS - no need to thank me for educating you today! PPS - Anyone born in africa is 'African' (Wow you are learning alot today)

  • john.morreira.9 - 2012-11-07 02:10

    "self seeking antics"? "tantrums of a spoiled child"? rich coming from the ANC. It wasn't DA supporters, rolling around on the ground, like brats in a shop, who can't get what they want.

  • Concerned_RSA - 2012-11-07 05:28

    Another antic to prevent taxpayers from uncovering the true nature of the interest of the ANC in the people of South Africa. This isn't political inticement, this is a wake-up call to everyone who values education, basic needs of each and every South African achieved and a better South Africa. Stop wasting money on personal enrichment and look after the old, young, weak, disadvantaged and deprived. Stop hauling racial comments at the people who just want to expose the whole truth. This isn't for 'Political Brownie Points' its to open the eyes of the blinded!

  • lulama.mbelwa - 2012-11-07 05:49

    What a bunch of idiots, how can you still defend the president from this?? But I'm not surprised you all benefiting from Zuma that's why he's got idiots like you fighting his battles. You should be ashamed ANC

  • leon.toerien - 2012-11-07 05:53

    Look at Nxesi's pic. Another big fat useless lump of s&@t like all the cANCer in parliament.

  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-11-07 05:53

    The anc just does not have the brain capacity to comprehend why people are angry over wasting all of this money. Fransman and co should get their heads out of a certain dark hole, and see what the money could have been used for.

      Nigel - 2012-11-07 06:50


  • rheinhard.silima - 2012-11-07 05:55

    mayb zuma is ryt,nt forgeting hw u triting us evn 2day @ work(whites)

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-07 21:44

      We are a mixed bag at my work. Some do well, some never will. Some hate everything and everybody, and they are those who contribute the least. Others take any challenge head on and mostly succeed. Those are the guys who get promoted and paid well. Who are you?

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-11-07 05:58

    anc trying to defend their dishonest action and deflecting attention onto the da march , they the whistle blowers not the thief . everybody complains about crime but now this theft of tax money and some people condoning it

  • PointBlank - 2012-11-07 06:01

    strange how these farmworkers suddenly had issues after the DA went go nkandla, the fact that these farmworkers were wearing tshirts with 'farmworker refugee' on them has ANC written all over it. ANC is nothing more than a terrorist, thieving party.

  • barend.steyn.9 - 2012-11-07 06:06

    The biggest mistake the ANC has made is that they thougth that the people were stupid and were having a wonderful time of the gravy-train. The ANC is collapsing.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 09:20

      I agree... their days are numbered.

  • mike.watkins.9889 - 2012-11-07 06:12

    how ironic?when the real children play in the Tripartheid kindergarten

  • joe.whiteman.9 - 2012-11-07 06:18

    @mawandewonderman Africans generally insult themselves through their behaviour !! Time to get educated I'm afraid, however the ANC would rather have them stay uneducated.

      Sello Makgato - 2012-11-07 07:25

      nothing but the trueth!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 09:21

      True, the ANC knows that it is easier to control people that are uneducated. It's so sad, imagine all the potentially great minds just sitting out there, not being nurtured. Thanks a lot ANC

  • joe.whiteman.9 - 2012-11-07 06:22

    @ishmael If you want something in life then work for it ! Not demand it , not steal it , WORK for it. I know its a difficult concept for the Black Hole in your head to grasp but please try.

  • louis.hager.12 - 2012-11-07 06:35

    Just too pathetic to comment on.

  • kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-11-07 06:42

    I read comment of Ishmael, nd others of whites, and reality is that you are racist

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-07 21:53

      kenny, we are all racists. You and I alike. The differance is that I will tolerate you, but will you do the same for me? Thought so. International accepted law states that you have citizenship in the country of your birth. Africa accepts that we are a "white tribe" of and from Africa. So accept that and grow up. I can quantify my contribution to South Africa, the jobs and wealth I have and am creating for people of all races. Can you? Have you ever started a business of your own? Have you ever created one job? Come now mr. Racist, please do tell of your contribution. Ps: last business I started was without money or government help, unlike you who have access to billions of my taxes. What is your excuse

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-11-07 06:42

    Spending tax payers money on a private residence is very wrong. DA is 100% right in inspecting the Zuma palace. I just find it very worrying that they are not making noise about the fact that whites earn 6 times more than blacks. Are they not worried about this disparity?

      bosveld.reaper - 2012-11-07 06:58

      because whites are more educated. education is the key which you all ignore.....u

      Brian Dorning - 2012-11-07 07:20

      You are right, whites EARN their money, not because of their skin colour but because of what skill and contributions they make to their workplaces. Whites are only 9% of the SA population, it proves that our parents used proper family planning in order to be able to afford us an education. Blacks bread like rabbits, still they get government education, still they have BEE and grants and their ANC government has been in power for almost 20 years. I think its time to take responsibility for your own uselessness and shortfalls.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-11-07 07:25

      The whites I Know or have worked with, only had matric and a 6 months diploma in some cases but earn more than blacks who were graduates. Does it mean the degrees are worth less than the grade 12 certificates they have? Go to any manufacturing company you will understand the situation better.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-11-07 07:34

      brian.dorning please don't make me laugh. What you say is what you were taught to mumble when you were a toddler.

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-07 22:02

      Sefaco, my 35 years with matric trumps your diploma/grade and bad attitude. My production capacity trumps any entitlement attitude My quality output and lesser returns from experience gained over many years make me a better and productive asset that contributes positively to the bottom line. My starting hours/money was a tenth of what the most unproductive individual gets today, but insists to get the same wage as I do. If you can't see the problem here, you wonder why I question the validity and standard of your degree/diploma?

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-11-07 06:48

    If Helen Zille was to use R200million of tax payers money for her personal upgades the ANC would be up in arms and the public would riot.....but its ok if a black man does it.

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-11-07 07:05

      So because Zuma is president its ok then? Dick!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 09:32

      Neither is Zumba... he is just a clown in leopard skins

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-11-07 07:15

    Amazing how the ANC minister tries to compare the situation of public funds being used to upgrade a private residence of the president to that of a spoilt child. Where is the similarity? Then to try and justify the costs due to security requirements. It is being dishonest to ascertain how taxpayer money is spent according to the deputy minister, well I would suggest these smokescreens are where dishonesty lies.

  • braamc - 2012-11-07 07:49

    Thulas, the madam will have you for breakfast - you are a criminal like your boss showerhead

  • sandy.sutherland.58 - 2012-11-07 07:56

    The ANC is clearly showing the world now how corrupt they are - no-one really has to do anything more - it is blatantly obvious that they have no shame it stealing the tax base blind for their personal gain!

  • customdesign - 2012-11-07 07:57

    I do not see how they can dismiss the DA as being irrelevant. The Day ripped the Western Cape from their control and will probably take much more from the ANC in the next election. It seems the ANC is feeling exposed and very afraid.

  • morwen.fourie - 2012-11-07 08:18

    News24, please report ishmael.tshehla for hate speech. This is a crime in SA. Please do not be a Vehicle for this kind of crime.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 09:37

      Oh please, these moderators do what? They only remove comments they personally don't believe in.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 10:30

      Like the one i posted above... not offensive at all. They are a bunch of pathetic hypocrites.

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-11-07 09:35

    hell what have we let ourself infor with these bafoons

  • mxeki.maduvula - 2012-11-07 09:36

    No wonder why our education system is a mess! The comments made regarding the security vulnerability of ga molapo students by the education deputy minister are of high level of stupidity.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-11-07 09:42

    Amazing that this entire issue has boiled down to race. And there are repeat offenders as well. All the usual feeble-minded parlimentarians and the usual feeble-minded contributors on this forum spew their usual racial garbage at every opportunity. The issue is a criminal and corrupt president and a corrupt and incompetent ruling party wreaking havoc with our nation and stealing our taxes under our very noses. It does not matter the colour, gender, height, weight or religious persuasion of the miscreants. All that matters is that justice be served. If all of the racist idiots leave aside their selfish feelings for a moment and focus on the problem, the contributors here could unite and go some way to replacing our corrupt leaders. But our hatred for one another is a huge factor that will cause our country to slide further into social and financial ruin. Many whites continue to demean blacks on this forum and criticise them for continuously voting the ANC into power. The reason that they do, is that they see the DA as a white party and fear that all whites are as dumb and antagonisic as you. Many blacks are failing to vote on merit, but are voting traditionally because they continue to have this deep resentment for 'colonialists'. At the end of the day all that we are collectively doing is cutting off our nose to spite our face. Future generations will not think of us very fondly for our utter failure to consider their plight.

      barnie.huysamer - 2012-11-07 13:21

      Vernon, I take my hat off to you. I am on early retirement and spend a lot of time reading comments on headlines that interest me. It is very disappointing to always find that the comments ignore the crux of the matter and go into "racial garbage" as you say. Soooo sad. I think most people on this forum want the same thing: Stop corruption & wasteage of money that should be spent on creating a better life for ALL and the only way to do this, is with your vote. Each person should ask him/herself: Am I satisfied with what this government did for me after 18 years in power, or could they have done more for me? Are they acting in my interest or their own? There are no valid excuses anymore for non-delivery of the promises made to the people in 1994. This is a beautiful country and it must be saved for our children's future. My family & I have nowhere else to go. I can only pray & trust that God will heal our land.

  • matshane.seleko - 2012-11-07 09:47

    So people are becoming irrelevant for wanting to know why more than 200 million rand of tax payers' money is splashed on upgrading the president's private residence.Look,we don't care to what extreme you'll go trying to justify this \sensitive issue\.We know that deep down your hearts you know that it is wrong.You are forced to defend it because it is your bread and butter.Misuse of power,that is.So,go on.Fire up your racial slurs and accusations.

  • mammone.tau.5 - 2012-11-07 10:31

    I still cannot understand how can this be justified cause of Race or Apartheid. Even ANC cabinet ministers can't explain why is this Nkandlagate necessary or beneficial 2 any1 else but Zuma. What about millions of people without basic needs? I'm jst happy I didn't vote for this Thieves!! I saw this coming long ago.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-07 10:36

    Nxesi is an antic waiting to happen. Where did they find him?.

  • willie.botha.9480 - 2012-11-07 10:48

    irrelevant ... ? Oh boy are you in for a suprise

  • paul.meso - 2012-11-07 11:24

    a president's home is a matter of national security... we can't just let anyone visit without a formal invitation/appointment.

      heinrich.spreeth - 2012-11-08 10:27

      When I am paying directly for someone's private house these rules kind of gets a bit grey don't you think?

  • paul.meso - 2012-11-07 11:26

    The president's house is a matter of national security... we can't just let people visit without being formally invited... the madam has no business there(using juju's tone)...

  • bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-11-07 11:45

    I think we are taken as fools who could not differentiate between wrong and right, I am a taxpayer why on earth do I need to contribute to the president private house or estate. Is the ANC implying that the DA must do the same as they have done in Marikana by saying the DA must deal with issues in the Western Cape? The question to be answered is why are we paying R240m which will not help the man on the street?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-07 12:36

      True, why not use his own money? He gets R2mil a year from us anyway. But it seems having 9 wives and kids is expensive, so he needs to use our money to build himself a hotel. The simple answer is: the ANC and Zumba don't give a sh*t about the person on the street. We as citizens of this amazing country need to stand together and care about each other... screw the selfish politicians.

  • mzondistanley - 2012-11-07 13:12

    Whites of South Africa you know nothing about reconciliation except insults can you wake up that one day you may provock Lion beyond the limit and it will bite you!! You have play within the parameters of the Laws of the land, Zuma has done nothing illegal but for a Political Party Leader to leave your house and provock Zuma Family is unacceptable and against good governance! and Parliamentary political ethics!! Zuma is not the first State President to get a retirement Home!! This is Freedom of expression rather you are Tresspassing and aught to be disciplined!! Physically or other wise!!

      acm.munro - 2012-11-07 15:12

      It is not just a retirement home!! 31 buildings being built - houses for wives, family members, friends, underground bunker, elevator, etc etc ... And as far as I know the previous presidents bought their own retirement homes out of their own pockets. While they were still the president, they lived in homes belonging to the Government which the Government maintained. The way our hard earned money .. yours and ours .. is being spent on this 'retirement complex' is a disgrace. Many houses could have been built for the poor with this money.

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-07 22:16

      Viva Mzimba, you have just proven why the anc must never get one more opportunity to run this country. Do you even understand the basics of democracy? By your post here, I can assure you a grade oner will outdo you. Maybe it will be better if we are given our own province. You can stay in kzn, and be the footstool of your dictator, whilst we will have our own democracy. That is the only lesson I need from you.

  • valentino.ndaba.9 - 2012-11-07 14:01

    If this goes on, everything that happens in future will turn into a "Marikana" similar incidence. Things could get way worse because the moment you feel you "own' a place, or try to defy the constitutional rights of citizens, than you might as well remove them from the picture inorder to spare you the effort of dealing with the dreadful consequences of your corrupt and self-serving actions.

  • KennySven - 2012-11-08 13:39

    Go back to your mud hut and through the bones,Yoooo the bones say I am an idiot with no education mmmmmm I am going back to my free house in Jo'burg,there must be a bad luck tokalosh in my hut.