Numsa decries Malema ruling

2011-09-12 19:12

Johannesburg - Courts should not be used as vehicles to rewrite the country's apartheid history, the National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa) said on Monday.

Songs played an important role in remembering the anti-apartheid struggle, it said in reaction to a court ruling that ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema was guilty of hate speech.

"We are firmly of the view that organs of class rule, the courts, should not be used to rewrite our history of struggles and liberation against the repressive regime," said Numsa spokesperson Castro Ngobese.

Earlier on Monday, the South Gauteng High Court ruled Malema's singing of the song "dubhula ibhunu" (shoot the boer) amounted to hate speech.

Ngobese said: "There are no blank pages in history. Struggle songs are our collective memory."

Deep hatred

While Numsa would only comment further after studying the judgment, it reserved the right to pursue a political and legal approach in response.

"We believe there is deep hatred and irritations in some sections of our society towards ANCYL president Julius Malema, and the song 'dubhula ibhunu' should not be confused with that," Ngobese said.

"People should contest the ideological outlook or posture of the ANCYL president and leave our struggle songs alone."

Some political parties and other bodies praised Judge Collin Lamont for his ruling.

Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder said the party hoped the judgment was the first step in getting the country "out of the swamp of hate speech and racism". "The contrast between the Mandela approach after 1994 and the Malema approach the past year, shouted out for an adjustment."

Mulder said it was a "pity" the matter had to be brought before a court. "In this regard, the judge's decision is a serious charge against the African National Congress which allowed this case to get out of hand and developed so far before a correction was made from outside the ANC."

ANC must share the blame

The Christian Democratic Party agreed the parent body should share some of the blame as the party "went full out" to support Malema in this case.

CDP leader Theunis Botha said it was that hoped the ruling party would "make haste" in removing Malema as president of the league.

"... Malema himself has proven over and over that he is not fit to play a positive role in the country's future," he said.

Afrikanerbond secretary Jan Bosman said he trusted the ruling was the first step in curbing racism and forcing political and public figures to be "responsible and careful".

"The now regularly played. The inevitable consequence is that the broad South African society is becoming more race-based and divided."

Racism "in whatever colour and whatever form" must be rejected.

Bosman said the next step was for the Human Rights Commission to evaluate and assess Malema's pronouncements within the context of the Bill of Rights.

Not above the law

The Congress of the People Youth Movement viewed the ruling as a warning that politicians were not above the law.

"The ruling is not only a victory for those who felt threatened by Malema's harmful and discriminatory utterances, but a victory for the rule of law... and for the Constitution," said spokesperson Marius Redelinghuys.

"The time has come to stop fighting... and respect cultural groups and [different] races," TAU SA president Louis Meintjes said.

"The judgment... has vindicated TAU in its attempt to erase hate speech from South African society and contribute to put an end to violent victimisation of farmers and farm dwellers."

In light of the ruling, the TAU SA called on government to give attention to violent crimes perpetrated on farms and smallholdings.

Meintjes asked government to consider setting up a dedicated unit to act against such criminals, and maintain a database of farm attacks.

The ANC Youth League said in a statement it would study the judgment and consult with the ANC and other fraternal organisations before commenting.

  • Douglas - 2011-09-12 19:21

    I am amazed that this song is seen by people as part of their history and culture. It is definately not part of any black history and culture. It has only been used over a relatively short time in history as an anti aphatheid song ...i.e from the early 60's as a hate song.

      Phlegm - 2011-09-12 19:39

      As far as I am aware this song's history cannot be traced prior to 1990, besides, what exactly did the National Union of Metalworkers contribute to the struggle against Apartheid?

      gmain - 2011-09-12 20:09

      @eurocentric -> You seem a tad uneducated pal. Havn't you learned yet that racism achieves nothing? So stop it. Look at africa and look how priviliged the majory of this country is. Now explain why? Why did those of all races who wanted to succeed succeed? Blind racists like yourself are not helping this countries future one bit. If you want to declare war for whatever reason just do it, stop being such a coward. it is so cANCer like.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 20:25

      @Eurocentric ~ Go to school. Get a job. Go to work. Earn a salary. Buy things. Save some. That's the way things work. NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREEEEE! How hard is that for you to understand? It's got absolutely nothing to do with 'racial oppression' but it's got everything to do with e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n. A street sweeper doesn't earn what a brain surgeon does. Why? One spent years at school, and then more years at medical school. How many years did the street sweeper study for?

      CTatheist - 2011-09-12 20:25

      Eurocentric, so what do you call successful black Africans? Or what do you call poor whites living in squatter camps? What shall we call you then? Where do you draw the line between privileged and underprivileged? Is it tied to a certain income or wealth status? And what would that be in Rands and Cents? Do you realize that anywhere in the world the majority of the populace are underprivileged. Have you been to India, or China? You seem like a person with a lot of hatred bottled up inside you. Go join a boxing club, (I can recommend a few) and take it out on those who are there to help you. Get a life.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 20:26

      @Euro - If you want to see immoral, self-righteous, morally bankrupt not to mention evil and demonic look at your own leaders, Julius for one - To be quite honest, if Satan was in front of a mirror, your leaders will be the reflection image of him. Be honest, think about it. You are just a greedy lazy smug who want everything for free. You want to be tha boss, but you don’t want to make any sacrifices, common, admit it, I am 100% correct. You need to repent of your wickedness, or your judgement will be far greater than a few BEE or AA laws. Once in hell, you cannot immigrate anymore though. Just a warning (Use it, don’t use it)... Ensure the correct spirit is fuelled inside of you.

      DW - 2011-09-12 20:27

      Eurocentric - for the last while people have been stating "for the last 350 years" whites have been oppressing blacks. Never mind that the last thing on van Riebeecks mind was to oppress anyone. He just wanted to establish a stopover where he could plant vegetables to stop sailors sailing to the East from getting scurvy. But he landed in 1652. Every time people of your ilk get onto this type of forum, you add an extra 50 years. Who is rewriting history now.

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:19

      @ eurocentric,all you have said makes sence to an educated person or a government that really cares about its peoples,however in africa the governments leave a lot to be desired and once in power they make shure they hold on for dear life,have you ever seen sharks in a feeding frenzy,well then look at the anc.the only way blacks will improve their lot is to change the current dispensation for a better one, the minority whites here cannot uplift them there is no way 4 millon can carry the burden of keepimg 50 million afloat.your ideas are not bad but in africa im afraid its a pipe dream

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 21:47

      P.S. @Eurocentric - You can't see even one side of the coin with the ANC in government, it is in their (including Malema's) pocket. No coin to view. :)

      Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-09-12 22:51

      @DW, in fact the Whites only met the Xhosa in 1836, but then again, maths was never a strong point of the Black African mind. As far as I can work out, it is less than 175 years since they met. It was under Cecil John Rhodes that the suppression began and that was in the early 1900's. So about 100 years. Apartheid only lasted 42 years, but as I said, maths is not something the CancER is very clued up about. Let alone actual history.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-12 19:33

    what a dimwit

  • Carl - 2011-09-12 19:34

    Racism in any form, cannot be justified. The End

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:23

      @eurocentric, your above comments had my attention but this one gives me the idea you are on tik.this is not a kindergarden - raise your hand if you agree with me

      Protest - 2011-09-12 21:27

      @Eurocentric Are you going to be the one to force the white population to submit to the lie detector test? Ad Carl stated so brutally clear: "Racism in any form, cannot be justified. The End" Eurocentric, your Black Supremist moral high-ground that you insist on taking in various posts smacks of racism.

  • Slapper - 2011-09-12 19:34

    Hate speech has no part in History. If this Song is allowed, it opens a can of worms for other songs, words and music, which would be equally unacceptable to the Black population.

      jbjoe - 2011-09-12 19:44 is part of the Boer 'collective history' to use the k-bomb in every second sentence...isnt it?

      DW - 2011-09-12 20:34

      The judge is not trying to rewrite history (the past). He is trying to stop the history which is being made today (which will be the history of tomorrow) from being a bloodbath. He has done the right thing. You need to stop this type of talk in its tracks. Threatening to kill anyone, whether in a song or talk of it (as Malema did again this past weekend - threatening war and saying that there would be casualties) should never, ever be allowed. As the judge said, words can trigger genocide. And once that genocide starts, it can never be reversed. Better to put the genie back in the bottle now before it is too late

  • Sarel van der Walt - 2011-09-12 19:37

    It's amazing how these wankers don't realize it's THEIR Constitution the courts use. So actually its THEM who rewrote their OWN history. What a below standard IQ bunch.

  • Andy skinstad - 2011-09-12 19:39

    Did Madiba sing 'dubhula ibhunu'.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 19:45

      He did indeed. Look for the link on YouTube - that's why I have no respect for him!

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 20:08

      @pinkpanther, yo respect for him is worthless and not needed. save it for Verwoed, de klerk, derbie lewis and tereblanch. the world respect madiba. who are u?....hahahahahaaaa.

      CTatheist - 2011-09-12 20:18

      So blanco..what exactly did Madiba do? Or not do?

      Kleinjan - 2011-09-12 20:18

      The icon "Madiba" is not so innocent you know!

      BryanJhb - 2011-09-12 20:27

      If blanco_ pta believes the world respects Mandela then he should concede that a high level of respect has also been dished out to de Klerk as indicated by the fact that he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 20:36

      Guys, Madiba is the world hero and icon, you like it or not. He is the most respected man in the world with or without yo approval. @CTatheist, ask the world why they respect him. Google his name, Wikipedia will give you his short biography. @kleinboy, he is not innocent? Well, u will have to prove that yourself. @pinkpanther, I didn’t get that. U can say it again if you care to otherwise. RIP

      CTatheist - 2011-09-12 20:51

      I did blanco, but still I don't get any wiser as to what he actually did. No disrespect, if it is because he didn't call for genocide, then that should be what any descent human should do anyway, and if he did call for genocide, what picture do you think would be painted of him?

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 21:03

      @pinkpanther, i won't respond to that coz i'm not like u. @CTatheis, that's part of his successes. He saved yo white @rse. @bryanJHB, u are right about Mr. De klerk, I personally have a great respect for that man.

      Kleinjan - 2011-09-12 21:22

      Your mom called me kleinboy too. She was so cute......

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:24

      no he sang pink floyds THE WALL

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:26

      @ blanco - these guys have got you in a flat spin,you must be typing yourself stupid

  • Sharkie - 2011-09-12 19:41

    How are they re-writting it? What happened is well documented. It's just saying in this new democratic free and non-racial country it shouldn;t be used going forward. Unless that's not this country? If you want to remember your struggle people - sing other songs...

  • lilo69 - 2011-09-12 19:41

    The end is nigh......

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:27

      malemas a naai

  • brinjal - 2011-09-12 19:42

    "Courts should not be used as vehicles to rewrite the country's apartheid history".....well then the word k****r should be okay as well then & Darren Scott should not be concerned.

  • Jacques - 2011-09-12 19:43

    Singing these songs will only open the door to, once again, open and very public use of words such as the K-Word. If this happens... don't be surprised as to why!

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:29

      he heard it at a yoof camp

  • Ian - 2011-09-12 19:43

    "Organs of class rule". Which communistic journal does this idiotic phrase come from? Do you think Ngobese even knows what this is supposed to mean?

  • BakkieB - 2011-09-12 19:45

    "and NUMSA sticks its head up it's masters ar@e". Unions along with the rest of the hangers on are going to see their collective backsides. Look at how strikes are failing nowadays.

  • bonkypants - 2011-09-12 19:46

    They yearn for apartheid. They long for the legitimacy it gave them. If it weren't for [some blacks], apartheid would have long been dead and buried.

  • Johan Grobbelaar - 2011-09-12 19:47

    Hey Darren Scott, the k word is part of ur history, say it PROUDLY! So is the old south african flag!

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 20:22

      Say that K word proudly and u will kiss yo damn @rse happiness goodbye. just do yourself a favor and say it at yo work to a fellow black colleague. yo fellow white bosses will kick @rse out of there.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 20:26

      @blanco ~ yo poepall

      chaka - 2011-09-12 21:10

      noticed my comment was removed. does the truth hurt!!!

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 21:52

      @pinkpanther, r u one of the boeremag members? hahahaha

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 22:32

      @Blanco ~ No, not at all. I just don't have time or respect for people who use gangster speak. Do yo understand?

  • vasti - 2011-09-12 19:47

    anc please grow up, what is good for the goose is good for the gander, get it?

  • Daveza - 2011-09-12 19:48

    Oh for !@#$'s sake, nobody is rewriting history. It's a song, that's all. The revolution is over - write some new songs that bewail how your own party has let you down and stop blaming the repressive regime for ANC failures.

  • Lorax - 2011-09-12 19:51

    Read the judgement properly, Numsa, read the judgement. The song is inflammatory, and disturbing to a significant number of the SA population - who are part of a minority group, and who have the right to feel safe and protected. It's time to move on, leave the past behind, and for the sake of the country, find a new and more positive song. The old song has no place in SA.

  • Oryx_ZA - 2011-09-12 19:53

    This is starting to look orchestrated. The ANCYL have kept largely quite, while the other arms of the ANC show outrage. Could it be a plan to make the ANCYL seem reasonable? Have a very funny feeling... Anyway...You can not rewrite your past, but you can choose what to remember. The very Constitution of the ANC is to support a representative South Africa...not one dominated by Blacks or whites. This song inspires hate among people among many people who want not even old enough to remember apartheid.

      BakkieB - 2011-09-12 19:57

      Thats what amazes me. A lot of the so called "leaders" of today were children when Mandela was freed. Malema was 13. How can he sing struggle songs. Oh yes, he struggled with school.

  • Daar_is_Hoop - 2011-09-12 19:54

    Staan saam! As jy ook moeg is vir die rassistiese probleme in ons land is NOU die tyd om saam te staan! Ja, ek weet dat daar altyd dwarstrekkers is en vir hulle sal ons met respek hanteer, maar selfs diegene wat altyd hulle eie ding wil doen het die grysstof om te weet daar is die regte en die verkeerde manier van dinge doen is. Wat kan ek aanbied?, NIKS wat nie reeds JOUNE is nie. So as jy belangstel e-pos my dan vertel ek jou meer. Nou is die tyd om iets vir ons nasie en ons kinders te doen! Vir meer inligting epos my by

      Compassion - 2011-09-12 20:43

      @daar-is-hoop - Afrikaner = Persoon/persone gebore in Afrika. So jy sal enige "Afrikaner" meer vertel oor hoe om saam te staan. Hoekom dan nie jou epos na - suidafrikanerstaansaam - verander nie. Of is jy maar nog net "wit" weergawe van Julius Malema? Dan NEE DANKIE... ek stel nie belang in wat jy te se het nie. EN EK IS MOEG, SIEK EN SAT VIR RASSISME VAN ALBEI KANTE.

  • Bruce - 2011-09-12 19:55

    Hello NUMSA - no one is re-writing the history, The only thing taht has happened is the court has decided that the racist Malema must stop inciting violence against other SA citizens, who have every right not to be targetted by a racist, lying bigot who pretends to be on the side of the poor whilst stealing the very monies that could better their lives. How many houses could be built with the"stolen' R 16 million.

  • eradingoana - 2011-09-12 19:56

    Do you know why i hate a Union? Because most of the leadership are just appointed for noise not literacy. If Castro Ngobese understood what a struggle song is, he shouldn't have spoken about it. We thought we have won and the struggle is over or does he also believe that the ANC is new Apartheid Government that the struggle continues? Oh God the struggle is far from over.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 20:40

      Well said.

  • - 2011-09-12 20:00

    If the white creates his song, whould you accept that?

  • scud - 2011-09-12 20:06

    If you are looking for intellectual midgets,the trade union leadership as well as Ancyl can supply them on a conveyer belt.

  • Klip Gooi - 2011-09-12 20:07

    But then if the feared K word is used it should reflect on the positive economy of the apartheids era. Not the mention the excellent state of the military, low crime rate, excellent healthcare and excellent standards of the education in South Africa.

  • Hubbles - 2011-09-12 20:07

    A holes that i Afroforum. Nothing has changed since the Conservative Party. All this is going to do is to strentghen Malema. Boneheads

  • BakkieB - 2011-09-12 20:09

    @eurocentric. Guessing/"rumours" are the sort of things that fuel fires. I still don't see what it has to do with the court ruling?

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 20:15

      He is just angry at God for being black - Ignore him. You can't work with someone angry at someone else over what he himself is / has done. It's like a rapist blaming the victim for flirting with him... or a wife beater blaming his wife for making him angry... or a child abuser blaming the child for provoking him... or a Satanist blaming God for allowing the devil to be cast to the earth... You cannot work with such a being, there is nothing, mentally, intellectually (maturity) to work with.

  • Joe Mabena - 2011-09-12 20:11

    One step forward and a 100 steps back, that's all we are doing. The racist comments on this site are as bad as Malema's song and singing. If the superior race is so better why can't you see that Malema is just a phase. If blacks wanted to go to war they would have done so when Chris Hani was assassinated, and it would have been bad for both sides. Stop being such chickens. ps Not every black man is a blood thirsty criminal...racist maybe but not natural born killers.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 20:47

      No one was talking about racial superiority... We were just reflecting on history. Not selective history, but unfortunately for the ANC and their NDR the entire African history. The conclusion was that it was no better than the white history - Off course the beneficiaries (or the ones who wants to be beneficiaries without achievement) resent this. That's all. People (who intend and plot bad things) recent the truth that exposes bad intent.

      VaalNeto - 2011-09-12 21:20

      One of the few good posting i read so far!! We need more South Africans like you1

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 21:34

      lets get rid of malema first then we can start building,i cant build while i have to watch that no one steals my cement

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 22:34

      @oldbuck ~ or your cheese! :)

      JohnnyOzzy16 - 2011-09-13 13:10

      put yourself in our shoes? would you be upset if the leaders of the country sang songs about KILLING THE BLACK PEOPLE? You should it was called apartheid back then... now its called the ANC.

  • so mouse - 2011-09-12 20:13

    Shame, protecting the past for ur incompetency in all facets. Golden worldwide rule - study, get experience and earn good money. Not, cannot do the work, but want more money anyway. Just another arpartheid excuse. Wonder, the afrikaner never cried about what the english did to them and they became a world respected intellegent nation, untill today, and the Jews after theholocast, they never laid back and blamed it, no they are a intellegent world respected nation. Unfortunately, this cannot be said of the ANC and their comrades. Laughing stock.

  • Twoplusthree - 2011-09-12 20:13

    Ok, let us remember our history, the ANC is a murdering terrorist organization. The white minority created apartheid to protect them from the black murderous majority. Malema wants to murder white people, albeit using the poor people as his foot soldiers. Let the people not forget the ANC murderous history. None of us (civilized people) want a war, however we should be prepared for it. We owe it to our children.

  • Karoogypsy - 2011-09-12 20:14

    WTF ?? whatever i post gets removed immediately but this idiot Eurocentric can make racists remarks and stay put ? MAKE ONE THINK WHO ACTUALLY IS IN CONTROL OF THE DELETE BUTTONS HERE..... just wondering if they also use their power ( the wrong way ! )

  • CTatheist - 2011-09-12 20:15

    SA polymorphism, quite on the opposite scales as far as peace is concerned. Maybe some of us should stop living in the past. Anyway, the disputed song isn't cultural heritage, it started with Peter Mokaba and Winnie the Pooh, as the establishment of the new defiant movement called the ANCYL. You cannot be chanting or singing about killing in any context if you want to promote peace. Bury your song and your attitude or dig your own grave. You will perish of your own doings by your own comrades Mr. Malema and Co, just like your hero Che did.

  • Kleinjan - 2011-09-12 20:15

    What don't these idiots understand?????

  • TamaraSays - 2011-09-12 20:17

    Keyword: HISTORY! If someone treats your grandfather, or your father badly, that does not give you the right to call for the murder of their descendents. It IS history - so why bring it up today? It's old, it's out of touch, it's outdated, and all it's being used for is to incite hatred, because our government is too pathetic and inept to be able to uplift their people, so they want to blame the evil white man who died 20 years ago. Shame.

      CTatheist - 2011-09-12 20:47

      I think personality has a lot to do with it. Some just can't let it go, reminds me of the great vendettas in in Italy, where four or five generations down the line, families still murder each other because someone's great great grandfather called someone else s great great grandad a donkey. It's just a bad breed of people.

      vegetarian - 2011-09-12 21:08

      CTatheist I am glad you have knowledge of the blood feuds of Europe. However, this is not only limited to Italy, many tribal and primitive regions of Europe still indulge in this foolish blood game, especially in countries like Romania. A fool by the name of Crackerr denied this and accused of telling fairy tales.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 22:35

      @VrotCabbage ~ Why not tell CTatheist about your theory of evolution. You know the one you wrote on the Times Live site! Bwahahahahahahaha

      CTatheist - 2011-09-12 22:49

      You're right vegie, but it should not be seen as generalizing and aimed at race. Bad breeds exists in any race, we have to collaborate to stop them by all means necessary within legal bounds. After all, there is a line that divides civil and barbaric, and it seems some barbarians cannot be cured, and that is what jails are for, remove them from society.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-09-12 20:18

    Keyword: HISTORY! If someone treats your grandfather, or your father badly, that does not give you the right to call for the murder of their descendents. It IS history - so why bring it up today? It's old, it's out of touch, it's outdated, and all it's being used for is to incite hatred, because our government is too pathetic and inept to be able to uplift their people, so they want to blame the evil white man who died 20 years ago. Shame.

  • burtfred - 2011-09-12 20:20

    racist NUMSA, racist Julius. Come around to my place, Jules, I'll put you in mu pool and see if you can swim.

  • JudithNkwe - 2011-09-12 20:21

    How do we move forward if we are stuck in the past?

  • Kleinjan - 2011-09-12 20:22

    Can we sing: "Kill the metalworker"? Or "One metalworker one bullet"? NO! SO SHUT THE F%CK UP!!

  • JudithNkwe - 2011-09-12 20:22

    I note "fraternal" organisations. The usual patriarchical stance - women not allowed. Seriously ancient history

  • Yislaaik - 2011-09-12 20:24

    For how long is history going to be 'now' like this? Another thousand years? A million years? If any of of the species are still alive of course. They are more likely to be extinct long before then. They should categorise themselves as an endangered species, endangered by themselves of course. Only another excuse to stir s**t and pretend to be useful. I wonder what THEY are getting out of this. Nothing for mahala, remember

  • Kleinjan - 2011-09-12 20:29

    I have a suggestion: Get off your asses, stop destroying the country and work hard. Those "rich" whites worked their asses of for what they have today, it wasn't a case of "steal the land and all the money trees on it"

  • gory - 2011-09-12 20:34

    Apartheid was never right. This song was never right. Two wrongs... It's disconcerting that a day after the 9/11 10 year memorial the ruling party does not stop to consider that it is in fact promoting terrorism. The struggle is over but nothing changes. Contempt by the ruling party for a race that does not comprise it's majority still exists.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-12 20:38

    If only somebody could explain exactly how the rewriting is taking place. The court says don't sing the song. Which history document has been redacted or rewritten? None. It is at most an interference with an alleged custom or tradition. Whether the singing of the song amounted to the mentioned latter is the subject of dispute. Anyhow, time does not stand still. Even customs and traditions are subject to it. No government that has the interests of all its citizens as a priority will support or condone a chant / song calling for the extermination of a certain section of the population.

  • alexander721 - 2011-09-12 20:42

    i find it very anmusing by NUMSA. childish actually comes to mind. The white coummunity said goodbye to the old national anthem and brought a more colourful, and one for all anthem and we all accepted it. It was because of what the old anthem reminded us off. Whites (afrikaners)__ then, had their own struggle and they battled against the British more than the indigenous population. but their anthem reminded us of the one sided coubtry we grew up in. And with all due respect to the "struggle", it is the ANC that everyone is fighting. "shoot the boer" could be taken literally be many disalusioned people. And with Malema shouting revolution and racially attacking white people as criminals who must be punished is almost the same as being called creatures of distaste and must be cruched (Rawanda)!!!! i am glad he has been found guilty. Time for him to go before he ruins this country. For those that still believe in him, shame on you.

  • beicime - 2011-09-12 21:08

    Numsa should do it, isn't it? Whata losd of c**p. When things don't go the Unions way the world should be changed to please them!

  • Pryce Johnson - 2011-09-12 21:09

    This illustrates why it is time to rid this country of the apartheid era judges.

      Kleinjan - 2011-09-12 21:21

      I agree. So they can put an idiot like you there.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 21:44

      Kleinjan - please delete your comment, this one does not deserve recognition for breathing.

  • Elizabeth Welsh - 2011-09-12 21:19

    @ByranJhb- Bwaahahahhahahah! Nor did they ever build a decent ship. Shoot the non-believers!!!!

  • Vok Foort - 2011-09-12 21:35

    There's a time and place for everything. Back in the (Apartheid) days, myself, as a white conscript serving on the border, learnt and sang all sorts of songs against SWAPO and Sam Nujoma (and the ANC, UDM, etc.). But to sing them now today, when everything has changed, would simply prove that I have another agenda, different to when the songs were initially sung. Which leads us to the question: "What is Malema's real agenda in singing these types of songs?" Certainly not what they were intended for, back in the day... In other words, he is using and abusing our historical legacy to foment fresh divisions, and a whole new war.

  • Vok Foort - 2011-09-12 21:37

    There's a time and place for everything. Back in the (Apartheid) days, myself, as a white conscript serving on the border, learnt and sang all sorts of songs against SWAPO and Sam Nujoma (and the ANC, UDM, etc.). But to sing them now today, when everything has changed, would simply prove that I have another agenda, different to when the songs were initially sung. Which leads us to the question: "What is Malema's real agenda in singing these types of songs?" Certainly not what they were intended for, back in the day... In other words, he is using and abusing our historical legacy to foment fresh divisions, and a whole new war.

  • Compassion - 2011-09-12 21:45

    Numsa --- So you will not be "offended" when people sing Die Stem at public hearings. THANK YOU for your support and agreement, as I see this "song" as part of my heritage to be remembered. “In die murg van ons gebeente, in ons hart en siel en gees, In ons roem op ons verlede, In ons hoop op wat sal wees. In ons wil en werk en wandel, Van ons wieg tot aan ons graf. Deel GEEN ander land ons liefde, Trek geen ander trou ons af. Vaderland, ons sal die adel, Van jou naam met ere dra. Waar en trou as Afrikaners, Kinders van SUID AFRIKA.” TRANSLATION to English of the word Afrikaner = word in the Afrikaans language meaning Person/Persons born in AFRICA - also meaning - A language spoken by people in SOUTH AFRICA. Although Afrikaans adopted words from languages such as Malay, Portuguese, the Bantu languages, and the Khoisan languages. ( ) The more we “classify” each other, the more we fall apart as a society! WE ARE ALL SOUTH AFRICANS – BORN AND RAISED – PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-12 21:56

      While we at it - there is no flag song. Reinstate this one please, Numsa - it's part of our heritage. "Die Vlaglied" Nooit hoef jou kinders wat trou is te vra: "Wat beteken jou vlag dan, Suid-Afrika?" Ons weet hy's die seel van ons vryheid en reg Vir naaste en vreemde, vir oorman en kneg; Die pand van ons erf'nis, geslag op geslag, Om te hou vir ons kinders se kinders wat wag; Ons nasie se grondbrief van eiendomsland, Uitgegee op gesag van die Hoogste se hand. Oor ons hoof sal ons hys, in ons hart sal ons dra, Die vlag van ons eie Suid-Afrika. "The Song of the Flag" Cradled in beauty forever shall fly In the gold of her sunshine the blue of her sky, South Africa's pledge of her freedom and pride In their home by sacrifice glorified. By righteousness armed, we'll defend in our might The sign and the seal of our freedom and right, The emblem and loyalty, service and love; To our own selves true and to God above, Our faith shall keep what our hearts enthrone - The flag of the land that is all our own. Please respect my heritage!

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 22:03

      @Wolraad, keep wishing, its worth it especially that u will never fly the white flag in this country anymore.

  • lordestabia - 2011-09-12 22:20

    It's fine to remember the past. But here is the trick though. Learning from your past, and not making the same mistakes as those before you. Otherwise we are doomed to repeat those mistakes. Years from now, our children will laugh at us, and our ignorance. If we ever get that far... I have two countries for you to look at. Germany - Well be following the same route as Hitler by listening to Malema, and not stopping him now. Zimbabwe - Where well end up should we fail to stop him. The choice is yours, the die have been cast. The ball is in your court. Your move...