Nzimande incapable of debate - ANCYL

2012-10-26 22:24

Johannesburg - SA Communist Party secretary general Blade Nzimande is unable to debate issues of national concern, the ANC Youth League said on Friday.

"Nzimande has reached the lowest levels of intellectual engagement... showing an inability to discuss the merit of issues raised by [former president] Thabo Mbeki, and resorted rather to name-calling," the organisation said in a statement.

According to the Sowetan, Nzimande defended President Jacob Zuma's administration, saying "yesterday's Aids denialists" should not lecture the ruling party on a lack of leadership.

"None of yesterday's Aids denialists must come and lecture us today on leadership when they have not accounted for the hundreds of thousands of deaths they left behind," the Sowetan quoted Nzimande saying in Midrand on Thursday.

Speaking at the University of Fort Hare last week, Mbeki said the African National Congress's current leadership was losing its ability to provide direction to South Africa.

The league said Nzimande was supposed to be a communist, the vanguard of the working class, and capable of a "rigorous and robust" debate.

  • lsfreak - 2012-10-26 22:45

    A Communist that's well paid, drives a nice German car and stands with the corrupt :/

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-10-26 23:37

      Hysterical story this, just look where it originated. The little boys brigade who have no understanding of anything in the grown up world, trying to present an argument. Wasn't their ex spokesman Floyd -no comment, shutup bloody agent- Shivambo? sad thing is, they are correct on this one, Blade is as useless and the ANCYL are when it comes to debating, just that it's laughable they have the cheek to point fingers.

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-10-26 23:40

      lebogang, i was going to give your comment a thumbs down and I briefly thought of replying, very briefly mind, then I figured your head is so far up your butt you have no chance of actually listening to reasoned debate and it would be a waste of my time to even try.

      walter.o.latham - 2012-10-27 05:52

      It's continuing The Rocky Horror Show made even more amusing and ridiculous by such remarks made by Lebogang....... who's obviously very jealous of Ms Zille's achievements in good governance. If we want meaningful change, vote DA or even an alliance of decent non-corrupt, capable people. While the ANC is there, there's little hope for the poor and needy.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-27 07:44

      @lebogang, haybo!

      ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-27 08:01

      Lebogang you are as uneducated and as unprincipled as Blade - i.e. dull

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-27 09:04

      Lebgang, why do you have to bring race into the debate? The whining, not-very-sharp Blade is in the cabinet for only one reason: The King of Nkhandla needs the commies' support so that he can have another five years of bleeding us dry. This applies to his comrades Davies (white) and Patel (Indian) too, so race has nada to do with it. For a party with so little broad support, the SACP is over-represented at the highest level and, in my opinion, is one of the reasons potential foreign investors think twice before bringing their money to SA. Blade and his comrades churn out ancient and vacuous slogans which we hoped would be buried forever under the rubble of the Berlin wall. But, like the USSR leaders of old, they live in luxury, while the masses can barely afford (some can't) the basic necessities of life.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 11:26

      Lebogang.moja. We live in houses we worked and paid for. I am sure you are ANC, so keep supporting them and the likes of Blade who couldn't care about you if they tried. Sometimes ignorance isn't bliss.

      Simon - 2012-10-27 14:48

      Ignore Lebogang. Look at her FB page. She looks very insecure and a bit racist. From the 20th of October; "I have always followed News 24's comments from white ppl,they are very sad, these ppl really hate us blacks nd most of them are always talking about a civil war, do they hate us soo much..." Why you hate so much :(

      alf.pop - 2012-10-27 15:11

      Correction - 2 BMW's! All paid for by (mostly non-commie) tax payers!

      sam.ntshangase - 2012-10-27 16:25

      @Luzuko.mtoyi, stop waffling Nzimande is nt in charge of secondary education , sbhanxa

      gavin.taylor.79 - 2012-10-27 17:42

      @Lebogang.moja.. "how many white ppl stile in huge houses n paying nothing for it" You really do believe that commie inspired rhetoric don't you. Therein lies the biggest problem that South Africa faces....MENTALITY. It is even more damaging than the corruption, because if black people changed their mentality, the scum would be voted out and corrupt politicians would be jailed. Simple !

  • Tando - 2012-10-26 22:51

    I agree with the ANCYL on this one , Nzimade is bit blinded , President MBEKI raised a facts that needs to be debated by south african youth, .

      lownabester - 2012-10-26 22:57

      Me too, for once the ANCYL are right, well done, But remember it will not happen again that I agree with them.

      smellarat.smith - 2012-10-27 04:32

      How about "debating" who should own up to the AIDS denialism that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of our own citizens? And who should own up to propping up Mugabe when he lost the last presidential election in Zim heralding the collapse of the Zim Agricultural sector and millions of Zim citizens fleeing to RSA taking our jobs and adding to our social needs? Perhaps we should start the debate with a definition of what non-idiotic leadership is.

      mlungisi.magada - 2012-10-27 06:33

      Smellarat.Smith is forgetting to ask as well who is accounting for the millions of deaths visited upon us by apartheid policies and brutality.Nobody has accounted and instead we are told to move on and that we are racists when we say that something has got to be done to at least address the ills that these policies visited upon the majority in this country.

      hermann.hanekom - 2012-10-27 07:07

      Classic, the pot calling the kettle black.

      setshubane.ashley - 2012-10-27 08:09

      I thought education gives people liberty to think,with Blade is a drug,he can't debade he takes matters personal as previously was accussed of being a tribalist,history records coming from IFP what more can we expect from him.

      smellarat.smith - 2012-10-27 08:41

      Mr. Magada, you are way off. At the TRC a total of 21,000 civilian deaths in South Africa were ascribed to Apartheid over a period of 46 years - an average of 456 civilian deaths per year. As an Afrikaner I am ashamed of that. One death is too many. I also now that 18,000 Afrikaner women and children perished in concentration camps in the 3 years from 1899 to 1902 (6,000 per year), and that I have forgiven the English, although I will never forget. I also know that Mugabe killed 20,000 of his own citizens in the Matabeleland massacre from 1983 to 1987 (5,000 per year). I also know that the rampant violent crime wave since 1994 in South Africa includes 18,000 murders per year. And that Thabo Mbeki eclipsed everything by his AIDS denial, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 300,000 African citizens in the span of a few years. One does not have to be a mathematician to see the perspective, so I will leave it at that. Apartheid's crime was way more than just a death toll. It was a crime against humanity. However, the civilian death toll because of Apartheid absolutely pales beside other events in the history of Southern Africa. The death toll at Marikana (34) was over half of the death toll in Sharpeville (59). But I bet Marikana will never get as much publicity as Sharpeville. Because it is more convenient to showcase Afrikaners playing the bad guys isn't it?

      colin.dovey - 2012-10-27 08:47

      Actually - the OFFICIAL number is 7000 from 1942 to 1994. Close to 100,000 whites have been killed since 1994. Just to put it into perspective!

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-27 10:22

      Well said Smellarat. I was not so aware of the glaring perspective. This has certainly put a different slant on events. Have you any sats on the staement or lies that the whites got their property etc for zilch??ie Lebpgang statement or should we just continue believing that he is smoking something???

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 11:32

      Mlungisi.magada. Millions of deaths cause by Apartheid policies and brutality?. Is that the best you can do?. Sometimes the ignorance here is unbelievable. While this kind of nonsense exist, forget about becoming one people, one nation.

      alf.pop - 2012-10-27 15:12

      Not blinded - more likely blind drunk!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-27 21:04

      It is the first time I have agreed with the ANCYL. They also need to understand it is not the only thing Blade is incapable of, he is incapable of getting himself into Parliament except on the coat tails of the ANC, he incapable of leading and directing the Education Department and he also seems incapable of realising that Communist/Marxist ideology has failed completely anywhere it has been tried out.

  • tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-10-26 22:57

    Well isn't that rich... On how many occasions have ancyl leaders refused debates on issues of national concern, and defended zumas avoidance of similar debating challenges from political opponents, obviously cos they know they're outclassed and would be exposed for the greedy, crass, fools they are.

  • lebogang.moja - 2012-10-26 23:06

    As if Lamola can debate with anyone without cheap shots..ur suckers for attention,the ANC is not about u nd will neva be.U need to study further,ANC policies r well written bcause of the intellectuals in it,u ur were born obviously as an aweful mistake..Do not assume all black ppl are idiots,nd for the record,not all black ppl survived the system most of our family members are not well learned,am sure u n juju can relate..debate faily n factually,stop telling us nonesense!!

      africa.tshipembe - 2012-10-26 23:46

      "intellectuals in it" maybe you are the one who is supposed to study further.....infact what are you on about,did you just have a bottle of red wine with your daddy Blade

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-27 08:32

      let the YL leaders debate the young DA woman on live TV, then we will see who is idiots and who not. What are you scared off?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 11:35

      Lebogang.moja. It is obvious you are not one of the intellectuals you are speaking about.No one asume all black people are idiots, but why do you think whites are?.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 11:37

      Chikunga. it doesn't take much to surprise you then. Pale devils?. You forgot to mention 'with brains'.

      pienaar.jordaan - 2012-10-27 13:49

      Lebo I don't assume ALL BLACKS are idiots, but you definitely are and show your lack of education clearly! Educated under ANC rule by any chance?

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-27 21:13

      Education in this country has a lot to answer for if you madam are a product of it. There are few if any intellectuals in the ANC, and the number of Bills of Parliament that hve been struck down by the higher courts and been returned for redrafting is at an all time high. The same percentage of black people and white people are idiots, and the comments on these news sites are proof of that. But if you seriously believe that Julius Malema, Ronald Lamola or Floyd Sivambu could debate any subject then your education is seriously lacking. The three of them have no education, do not or cannot read , and espouse huge ignorance whenever they open their mouths.

  • Gert van Coller - 2012-10-26 23:17

    Whichever way the wind blows political toddlers!

  • andile.nokhetshe - 2012-10-26 23:21

    I never thought I would agree with this ANCYL...

  • Shaun Mccann - 2012-10-26 23:36

    is this the f ing same retarded ancyl that had mbeki recallef omfw pathetic

  • louis.scholtz1 - 2012-10-26 23:38

    There is no intelligence in the cANCer!!! Give it time it will implode on itself...

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-27 01:23

      @louis....exactly...they're like crabs in a pot....

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-10-26 23:41

    Everything abt nzimande is questionable, where did he obtain his Phd or doctrate frm? What manner of communist is dis who support de corrupt? oh i forgot, the ex IFP stalwart

      blip.noodlum - 2012-10-27 00:05

      Blade's got a Ph.D in industrial sociology from Natal University.

      Mbavhalelo - 2012-10-27 01:20

      Via plagiarism i guess, but this fellow behaves absolutely like a holigan

      colin.dovey - 2012-10-27 08:53

      The facts are: Nzimande attended the Roman Catholic School, Henryville, and then Plessiers Lower Primary School before going to Mthethomusha School in Edendale, the first school in the area established under the new Bantu education system. He matriculated in 1975 at Georgetown High, Edendale. He completed his Psychology Honours degree at the University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg, in 1980. His Masters degree is in Industrial Psychology (1981) and more recently he has been awarded a PhD for a thesis in the field of personnel management from the University of Natal. with all its flaws, the "Bantu" education system produced Blade........

  • Chaapo - 2012-10-26 23:56

    Who is this faceless "organization"? Nzimande was man enough to come out, whether we like him or not but these little puppies hide behind the ANC Youth League label. Why can't the spokesperson be man/woman enough to put the name out there if indeed the person speaks for the whole youth league?

  • Marco van Rensburg - 2012-10-27 00:05

    Lebogang not a very smart post, school boy error! You are incapable of debate - Honeybadger

  • Phindile Manganyi - 2012-10-27 00:55

    the family tree,branches & in laws are @ locker heads,fighting each other...who will fight for the family name now,cos the mother is part of the squabbles

  • Karabo Phetoane - 2012-10-27 01:08

    Lebogang I concur with you,ANC was formed by intellectuals who had good morals and ethics with a goal of liberating South Africans.Its not a party that was formed to oppress or sleep with an oppressor like other dead parties and their descendants can be traced at the other party that call themselves Democrats.Now they come here to comment as if they know everything and think they are better educated than blacks.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 11:40

      Karabo Phetoane. In most cases we are better educated and you can ask your dear Angie why that is so.

      pienaar.jordaan - 2012-10-27 13:55

      And all those moral upright heros are now dead or too old. What is left cannot even read the thoughts of those early leaders, not understand it and most certainly cannot come up with an innovative new thoughts. Most are stuck under the red cloth of a fallen communist ideology and clueless about the future hence the way they keep on referring to the past. Not a single current leader would have made the ranks if the old heros were still around!

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-10-27 01:30

    The ANCYL is making sense now.The so called communists leader Blade Nzimande, former IFP activist .hahahaha ! is not talking like a doctor.Thabo Mbeki like any other south african has a right to freedom of expression.His aids policy during his era cannot take that consitutional right from him.Blade Nzimande is defending Jacob Zuma's govt. because he is one of ' beneficiaries'.

  • oscar.ndaba.3 - 2012-10-27 03:10

    ANCYL is right, sold the sacp, he is jst protecting zuma because they are eating the money togather, chris Hani is sad where he is to see that blade nzimande has lost the meaning of sacp. i think when he was writing this article he was drunk of his favourite expensive wisky. VIVA ANCYL VIVA

  • bongane.zwane.948 - 2012-10-27 03:53

    Is the ANCYL still part of the ANC?

  • andy.mku.9 - 2012-10-27 05:13

    the ugly bastard must go for plastic surgery the IFP will pay for it

      thulanit3 - 2012-10-29 03:56

      Is mbeki, the intellect not 'aids denialist' who refused to give ART to pregnant women,,,! I dont understand whatsap with u!

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  • Spha - 2012-10-27 05:55

    @rodney well said,lebohang u are an ideological dwarf raising issues out of context.nzimande doesnt really knw what he represent.mbeki will remain an intellect n when he tried to hld on to power little did we knw dt he was tryin to protect us from these moroons with fat mouth n corrupted.

  • Nhlanhla Zondi - 2012-10-27 06:10

    The ANCYL has lost its mandate, they should be focusing on issues affecting the youth. Things like job creation, education and social behavior of our youth not always attacking the mother body. maybe its because we in SA call someone who's 31 yrs a youth instead of an adult

  • mlungisi.magada - 2012-10-27 06:20

    Blades leadership is an insult to SACP. SACP has known better leadership.Please Blade live with the fact that Mbeki is far more superior to you intellectually.You and YOUR KZN clique are the reason the Polokwane faction is in tatters.Some in the so called ANC leadership collective have long been sidelined and Zuma's ear hogged your KZN CLUB.

      BantuHolomisa2 - 2012-10-27 08:43

      Battle of the Comrades ! Dog eat dog situation. Interesting times.

  • Vince.York - 2012-10-27 06:40

    I cannot make up my mind which these remind me of the characters in this awful parody of our politics most?

  • sandy.sutherland.58 - 2012-10-27 07:00

    ANCYL should know - that is their previously exclusive domain - "...the lowest levels of intellectual engagement... "

  • Willie Olivier - 2012-10-27 07:03

    a bunch of dogs with red t-shirts fighting over a Imperial bone! Ha Ha!

      thulanit3 - 2012-10-29 03:47

      Better be dog than a pig like u!

  • thandanani.mabanga - 2012-10-27 07:14

    The current opportunistic leadership of the ANCYL can't survive and YL conference, they would be oust from their positions. Theses comrades are now leading from extreme front of the membership, and they have begun to pervert from the original mondate. \r\n\r\nOne thing they know for sure is that they have been injected by the elitists not charged by young people of the YL anymore. The main reason we continued to elect them was the fact Julius promised the current president JZ that the youth league are the solder of JZ and the protectors, otherwise Lamola and his crew of hooligans would have never been elected.\r\n\r\nI don't want any debate about this matter rather they must just call a conference, but sorry I know they are afraid of losing position since they now lead less than 10% of da youth league.\r\n\r\nRegards \r\nMabanga Ta\r\n0763015888\r\

  • Spha - 2012-10-27 07:17

    @nhlanhla.zondi the thruth has no back or front bone,ull b a fool to believe dt dis current crop of leaders have no morals n r so corrupt.Mbeki made his own mistakes bt kept us afloat,ryt nw we r sinking deeper n deeper.

  • motleleng - 2012-10-27 07:17

    Who cares ? You are all the same, morons...

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-10-27 07:20

    The pot calling the kettle black. Little silly boys trying to tell the commie boss to be quiet. As in the past they have done precious little to uplift the youth except bay at the moon and live a good life.

  • thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-10-27 07:38

    All of you are incapable of debate.

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-27 08:29

    That coming from people who refuse themselves (although I think they are scared), to debate a certain young black DA woman? Yellow chickens are the real name for the YL's leaders.

  • marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-10-27 09:19

    Nzimande is as FOOLISH as our President!

  • julie.j.vanrensburg - 2012-10-27 10:48

    Much as I despise the ANCYL, I have to agree with them regarding Nzimande. He may have a doctorate, but he is still a moron - mainly because of his relationship with the communist party which has never contribued anything good for the welfare of any country which they invaded. Their only contributions are murder, mayhem, providing armaments, but nary a single school, hospital, housing scheme, agricultural undertaking - on the contrary, look at the history of every country where communism gained a foothold - each country/state has gone down the drain and its people know only killing and destroying... And that is FACT - what have the ANC and communists contributed to our once safe, peaceful and prosperous country? Zilch, zero, nothing, nada, lutho, nichevo..........

      thulanit3 - 2012-10-29 03:36

      Not, what abt china, russia, cuba etc, this would have been taken from the white terrorists on simple negotiations,,,! Communists contributed a lot!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 11:23

    Rigorous and robust debate???? Who? ANCYL?. You must be joking.

  • ayanda357s - 2012-10-27 13:41

    Marx must turning in his grave, these guys are black capitalists, bunch of vampires, agh sis man!

  • Simon - 2012-10-27 14:54

    Ignore Lebogang. Look at her FB page :( from the 20th of Oc; "I have always followed News 24's comments from white ppl,they are very sad, these ppl really hate us blacks nd most of them are always talking about a civil war, do they hate us soo much..." why so much hate :(

      thulanit3 - 2012-10-29 03:26

      Its a pity! Fear of unknown!

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