Open Mangaung debate: Cosatu unions

2012-09-20 16:06

Johannesburg - Cosatu affiliates at its national congress called for a discussion on the ANC's leadership issue on Thursday.

National Union of Metalworkers' of SA (Numsa) general secretary Irvin Jim said the issue of Mangaung, where leaders will be elected in December, was a "hot potato".

"As the metalworkers, we know many of us have campaigned and said so much about Mangaung," Jim told delegates in Midrand, Johannesburg.

"With humility we are persuading the federation... that we must reflect on Mangaung."

Numsa was supporting the SA Democratic Teachers Union's (Sadtu) proposal that the congress discussed its options for the African National Congress' leadership.

Jim said it was an important matter and there would not be another time when Cosatu delegates would be together.

"We second that a discussion must be taken here," he said.

But Cosatu deputy general secretary Bheki Ntshalintshali said the congress was busy with the socio-economic report and not political matters.

"We can't in the middle of discussing [the] socio-economic report decide to bring this up."

Discussions on Cosatu's political report were moved to its central executive committee and Ntshalintshali, who was chairing the session, said that decision had already been taken and it was not the time to revisit it.

The National Union of Mines (NUM) agreed with Ntshalintshali.

"If Numsa wants to open the discussion on leadership they must say so clearly," a NUM delegate said.

Ntshalintshali put a stop to the discussion, saying the issue had passed.

The SA Municipal Workers' Union asked congress to adopt the summary on the socio-economic report and police union Popcru seconded it.

Jim was seen leaving the congress hall. When approached for comment he said: "I will comment later - I want to see this debate through."

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-09-20 16:17

    I think Zuma's days are numbered.

      ernesttebogo.gama - 2012-09-20 17:01

      That's what u think Charles hoping u r not crazy

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-09-21 11:25

      I hope so, but who's next???????

  • heini.botes - 2012-09-20 16:17

    Damn Irvin Jim.....I don't know whether to smile at you or kick a field goal!!

  • joe.tansa - 2012-09-20 16:42


      ernesttebogo.gama - 2012-09-20 16:59

      Joe u r mad my brother Zuma 4 second term,u want 2 replace him ngonyoko

      pawmetmhla.mqadi - 2012-09-20 17:27

      If u think Zuma wil b raplaced, knock urself off coz they won't succeed against him, FACT!!!!! Zuma will b anc president again, like or not.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-20 18:15

      If you could replace him with the madam that would be a good idea :-)

  • bbooyse - 2012-09-20 16:47

    Funny how News24 has not mentioned yet that Cosatu is planning on petitioning the removal of english and afrikaans from the national anthem.....

      tseliso.molukanele - 2012-09-20 16:55

      isn't that old news. even the reply from FF+ was covered in the news

      bbooyse - 2012-09-20 17:27

      Perhaps it's old news to you..but it seemed to have only been made known by some of the Indepedent Online Newspapers and the Sowetan..troubling.

      lums.zindela - 2012-09-20 17:43

      That would be absolute madness.

      bbooyse - 2012-09-20 18:59

      Indeed Lums, it seems they want it to be restored to \the original\...which as far as I can see means the Sesotho part will also be removed and the whole anthem will be IsiXhosa.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-09-21 11:26

      News to me.

  • Michael - 2012-09-20 18:34

    Some folkes here at news24 i dont know which politics you are following, how can you hold the view thay Zuma will be out in Mangaung when he is actualy cementing his authority and numbers in the ANC, the fact is the whole top six will retain their positions uncontested, the trend of retaining leadership that started at NUM congress, and now at Cosatu is what we are going to see in Mangaung. Zuma and Mothlanthe will retain their positions respectively. Watch the space.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-20 18:40

      Give this man a bells!!

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-09-21 11:27

      I feel sick.

  • nathi.ntshobodwana - 2012-09-20 19:15

    This is a true reflection of what will happen in Mangaung..... People will be silenced if they are not in favour of the present ANC top 6.... But we dont care what happens in mangaung but come 2014... We will remove them from power through the ballot paper.

  • Johnson - 2012-09-21 06:49

    Perhaps the ANC should consider the population growth and number of foreign immigrants roaming our streets today - if you have a population growth of 10% and economical growth of 2% {You will have unemployment} currently the unemployment is say at 20% - add the 8% above annually. You will never eradicate unemployment unless these two balance.

  • joubert.tlou - 2012-09-21 08:36

    zuma s getting second term it's a blow to sum of us but s fact cosatu lost it

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-09-21 11:30

      The ANC have lost their marbles. I vote for ABZ.

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