Pallo Jordan: ANC in crisis

2012-09-08 10:32

Johannesburg - The ANC is facing a crisis because of internal corruption and a lack of dignity within the party, national executive committee member Pallo Jordan said according to a weekend report.

The Saturday Star reported that Jordan said during the Bisho massacre memorial lecture in King William's Town, Eastern Cape, on Friday that the African National Congress's credibility was at its lowest point in 22 years.

"The leadership of the ANC has been stripped of its dignity. The ANC has lost legitimacy," he said.

Jordan said the party needed a "dignified and moral" leadership to take over and clear out corruption.

  • norman.bigdawg - 2012-09-08 10:38

    One need to asses the comments made by ANC NEC members one by one as we head toward October and can tell the position every1 taking.

      bernpm - 2012-09-08 22:51

      Took a little long for Pallo to figure this one out. But better late than never! Dancing for the next job?????

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-09-09 03:11

      The word overseas are that the ANC is just another corrupt gangster type party.

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-09-09 09:26

      These anc crooks are afraid of losing power because the next ruling party is going to throw the book at them and jail time will be their future and they, the anc crooks know that. Make my words the anc will not give up power peacefully even if they are defeated at the polls. The only way of removing this corrupt vermin will be by force of arms. Most revolutionary organizations that come to power never give up power because they become too used to the luxury life style and will use their followers as cannon fodder that is how stupid their supporters are. This Palo Jordan is just getting in on the act to secure his future luxuries with whoever comes to power next. Where has he been for the last 18 years…. Asleep or too busy doing you know what. The anc is a sick corrupt party that should be banned again

      henryian73 - 2012-09-09 11:09

      We in this crisis thanks to Malema who wanted to 'Kill for Zuma'. When the DA warned our nation to 'STOP ZUMA' Malema said we will kill for him and now. Our country have become the laughing stock of the world and all the top leadership in our nation only interested in their own back pockets and that includes Malema. Its not about the poor. They just being used for the power hungry and greedy lot stealing millions form us all. Where did all Malema's millions come from? In Limpopo you will find the answers. No school books for the poor but a few very wealthy leaders. And yet the millions follow blindly hoping he the hero to help them. If he was why did he pocket the miilions he did that was meant for the poor. Interesting times and yet the poor follow the corrupt like nothing.

      christopher.shining - 2012-09-10 10:04

      anc in crisis...never!

  • wendy.craig.9655 - 2012-09-08 10:38

    Whoa, hold on for a bumpy ride.

  • thulani.pityana - 2012-09-08 10:42

    I agree.

  • sechaba.molete1 - 2012-09-08 10:43

    agree 100% minister Jordaan

  • jan.human - 2012-09-08 10:44

    They have been in crisis for 100 years!

  • lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-08 10:46

    Their entire reign has been underscored by one crisis after another. The whole concept of collective applying of minds has resulted in nothing ever been done. Jordan's quite right; we are way overdue for someone to step-up and actually DO something

  • Jason - 2012-09-08 10:46

    Jordan said the party needed a "dignified and moral" leadership to take over and clear out corruption. If that ever happens I might vote ANC!

  • john.barbarian.9 - 2012-09-08 10:47

    Lowest point from the last 22 years? I don't think that 22 years ago was in any highest point anyway.... Wait in december haven't seen anything so far.

      mihaip007 - 2012-09-08 23:27

      didn't they say they'll rule till Jesus comes? I heard december 2012 is the end of the world........maybe these idiots are onto something LOL....

  • eduard.marais.5 - 2012-09-08 10:56

    That happens when your leader is the way he is

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-08 14:35

      A pathetic gangster to the core.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-08 10:56

    The ANC played on the emotions of the world and had their support. Now they are on their own and cannot cope. It is a dying party and has no vision.

      sifiso.msimango - 2012-09-10 11:53

      but anc is much better than the dead and stinking da

  • justice.forall.7140 - 2012-09-08 10:56

    This is wat happens when you vote for thugs, our leaders potray black people as incompetent leaders which is really sad, its a pity that in the modern world we lack true leadership, people are elected based on popularity not based on leadership skills and proper academic skills. If you go to some companies as well, a person is appointed a manager of department but cant even greet his people in the morning, what kind of leadership do we have in todays world, its embarrasing. Having said so i still believe there are competent leaders out there, a generation of people driven by vision to influence the world into a better place, whether its in Goverment, private sector or public, i still believe we have a generation of young and well educated deserving individuals to shape these country amd i mean BLACK and WHITE and all COLOURS.Even when i was at high school, when we voted for any form of leadership, people always liked to vote for big mouth individuals like Julius Malema and being a big mouth doesnt mean you are a leader. A leader must be a servant not an opportunist,leader must sacrifice for the sake of masses not sacrifice masses for own interests. We have a youth league that stages expensive bashes worth millions for 5 to 8 hrs of booze and women yet we have young people in the streets in need for bursaries to study further, youth leadership should mentor, equip and help young people to be a success.LEADERS WITH NO VISION, ITS SAD.

      justin.massyn - 2012-09-08 11:06

      Very well said!

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-08 11:13

      A cornerstone of Leadership is *solving* problems and making sure things get done. These aren't leaders. They get elected on fear, awe and outright lies. Citizens need to be as any employer would - hiring people on their ability to deliver and fire them if they don't. What we have right now is a bunch of people who simply refuse to do the job that they were hired to do.

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-08 14:37

      Madise - grow up!

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-08 17:12

      You are looking for competent black people? You have been searching for 18 years?

  • jacques.swanepoel.372 - 2012-09-08 10:56

    Crisis... What Chrisis? Actually a Fu$&*p if you ask me.

  • wouter.basson.5 - 2012-09-08 11:07

    The winds of change...

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-09-08 11:07

    Call a spade a spade!

  • PeterJohn - 2012-09-08 11:08

    Gee, \ya think?\

  • magomarele - 2012-09-08 11:09

    the problem is right at the top. It's hard for dignified party members to keep defending the president't actions. The man who keeps sleeping with his friends' daughters and says sorry eacth time the secret breaks out. How long should the citizens keep forgiving? Needless to mention that he keeps getting married every festive season, at the state's expense of course.

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  • hendrikvs - 2012-09-08 11:13

    And the trolls are all quiet now?

      jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-09-08 11:16

      Quite like church mice. SssssHhhhhhhhh

      harley.quin.334 - 2012-09-08 11:45

      That's because it's saturday and they dont have acces to their work computer

      bless.boswell - 2012-09-08 13:34

      They are quiet because they cannot refute what has been said ...

  • mxolisitwothreefourfivesix.southafricans - 2012-09-08 11:14


      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-08 12:24

      Mxolisi23456 Pallo Jordan and bodyguards do not go together. He won't become more active in politics because those at the top won't allow it. They don't like honest people sharing the room with them.

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-08 16:14

      Bodyguards are for gangsters and scum who have to watch their backs because of all the people they have shafted.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-09-08 16:50

      I hope he wansnt shopping in Woolworths?

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-08 11:15

    Nelson Mandela is the only respectable member of the ANC, the rest are just corrupt, plundering, wasteful, lying thugs. ANC is going down. Anyone who votes for ANC must know they are voting for more of the same.

      pierre.walt - 2012-09-09 13:04

      Remember he also killed..

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-09-08 11:16

    I wonder why so many of my innocent comments that are far less insulting and derogatry, far less near to real curse words (see some currently sitting around proudly) get deleted...I must be saying something true

  • mandla.thwala.10 - 2012-09-08 11:18

    No matter how you look @ it,it no longer the peaple shall gorven,but the corrupt shall gorven,Ohh cry the beloved country.

  • lums.zindela - 2012-09-08 11:20

    Jaa, they only have themselves to blame and no one else. Come next election I won't be amazed at how the vote is gonna change.

  • thabo.mkokeli - 2012-09-08 11:30

    ANC sld jst hand the power 2 a potential opposition-clearly thy cnt handle the heat and most importantly,this country should'nt be about race but South Africans.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-09-08 12:23

      Amen !!

  • Innocent - 2012-09-08 11:32

    Thanks from other ANC officials,Ruel Khoza of Nedbank mentioned lack leadership in ANC current led by JZ. Gwede Matashe extinguished Khoza comments tell to look financial. What happened know are silent.

  • robes.spear - 2012-09-08 11:35

    It is hard to believe that any credible person still wants to be associated witht the ANC.

      Vince.York - 2012-09-09 08:40

      a large problem is that the cANCer has wide open doors to all entities from outside of SA regardless of race who can provide a quick buck in the back pocket, and local legislation RACIALLY CONTRA "SOUTH AFRICANS" WHO CAN DO BETTER prevents that interaction within SA. The ANC will be regarded correctly as the most racist regime in the world until they remove the legislation and only then the hard work and a LONG TIME will be needed to remove it from the national psyche! They are still string pulled by too many bitter & twisted racists in the background, that they cannot see the damage they are doing in trying to repeat past mistakes to rectify something. Rash comments by the ilk of for example Khaya Dlanga (an mbeki remorseful id), that "purple bleaters of reverse racism' are misguided is not the real case and there certainly should be any color employed based on the employers requirement and decisions! No state document should ever call for a classification tick, and no journalist should ever have to refer to a person by race or color, and only then SA will 'start' to breathe free from the bonds of racism Genuinely, two wrongs can never make a right, and the zuma's and little fatso's of this world need to be shown that when they have transgressed, they must atone for it in the courts, the face of the nation - OR have it fester as putrescence!

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-09-08 11:37

    the ANC cadres are becoming tired of their own s$*&

  • Michael - 2012-09-08 11:38

    ANC is always in crisis according to any leader who is not holding cabinet post, Pallo Jordan statement does not suprise me.

  • jacques.stander - 2012-09-08 11:38

    Could not say it better myself! The need a leader with dignity, respect, etc

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-08 11:39

    He should know, he's one of them.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-08 12:44

      douglas.reid921. It is obvious you do not know Pallo Jordan.

  • Ashley Coetzee - 2012-09-08 11:43

    The poor is getting poorer, the corrupter and corruptee is driving black cars, have parties, flash notes and the poor will be again swallow the empty promises to vote for corrupter and corruptee and the circle is getting bigger and bigger and we open our borders to rest of AfrIca to take their shares - our people can stay next to refuge dumps and foreigners in RDP houses. Wisdom God wisdom God cause Greediness is taking as down like gravity.

  • Zahir - 2012-09-08 12:05

    Then the next step is the anc must step down from power and give it to a party that can bring us back from the abyss

      khathutshelo.muafrica - 2012-09-08 12:26

      Apart 4rm da anc which party do u think should do dat?

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-09-08 12:40

      khathutshelo.muafrica - Only the DA have that capacity

      Madhi - 2012-09-09 11:40

      For the record, only the ANC can heal itself and no voters will. Remember that South Africans are generally racists - both black and white and people will continue voting the ANC just for blackness as much as no matter what the ANC can do, it can never win the majority of white people. So, no stepping down and just hold on to your seat for at-least another 20 years.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-08 12:12

    Pallo Jordan,one of the few sane voices in the ANC wilderness. That's why he has no position to speak of.

  • cliffadams007 - 2012-09-08 12:21

    You guys put those guys in power and now you cry foul. Cowboys don't cry! At your next ANC Conference you will unwittingly be repeating the mistakes of yesteryear and the "cancer" will only worsen. You guys "reject" Zille input for a rejuvenated South Africa, resultantly all inhabitants are here to "suffer my little children". You don't have to put the DA in power, all you guys have to do is to appoint Zille as your Leader and South Africa will blossoms at all levels - guaranteed!

  • diebongs0412 - 2012-09-08 12:23

    Its true, the Anc is in reputational crisis. Some of the things responsible for that include corruption at the highest levels of the government regime and Malema on the other hand is spreading his negative agenda about the Anc, exacerbating the situation

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-08 19:57

      @Calvin ~ Don't laugh too loud my boy. It's coming.

  • Bfoq.Za - 2012-09-08 12:28

    Where are they going to find that? Pluck it out of a hat? Yea right. \r\nAnyway, the ANC's corrupt and incompetent ways, rendered them useles s an a farce a long time ago. The proof is there. Plain to see. The education debacle. The health care horror. The ramant police - a law on their own. The delapitated RDP shacks? The unfair and one sided labor policy... The lirt goes on. Under their leadership our, once proud and respected army, became the weakling on the continent.\r\nWhem will be enough be enough?

  • Bfoq.Za - 2012-09-08 12:29

    Where are they going to find that? Pluck it out of a hat? Yea right. \r\nAnyway, the ANC's corrupt and incompetent ways, rendered them useles s an a farce a long time ago. The proof is there. Plain to see. The education debacle. The health care horror. The ramant police - a law on their own. The delapitated RDP shacks? The unfair and one sided labor policy... The lirt goes on. Under their leadership our, once proud and respected army, became the weakling on the continent.\r\nWhem will be enough be enough?

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-09-08 12:57

    The ANCorruption is a crisis.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-09-08 12:59

    Hamba kahle Jacob!

  • sandor.l.varga - 2012-09-08 13:21

    Excellent news for a weekend.

  • Ntobane Setabola - 2012-09-08 13:23

    I agree! But it had done better things 4 both races than the apartheid goverment and its corrupt actions are not swept under the floor.

  • brian.ocinneide.7 - 2012-09-08 13:29


  • bless.boswell - 2012-09-08 13:33

    It's funny how every time a politician makes a statement it's just an affirmation of what everyone already knows. The ANC has been in crisis mode for years. It's just now that the media is more accessible and people are more aware that we are all finding out how bad it is, and has been all these years. No wonder they want to gag it. Our wonderful country is dying, the people are dying - all that thrives is the queue at the trough. Snuffling and grunting as they guzzle their way through the futures of many needy and desperate people. 800million in unspent health budgets? I wonder where that went - and how many died because of it - or how many businesses went out of business because of it? How the ANC has the gall to show their faces and make profoynd statements about the future - "the ANC will be in power till Christ returns" or "God wants you to vote for the ANC" is just beyond me. They obviously have no shame, nor any sense of morals - they are a pathetic disgrace.

  • siphiwo.maurice - 2012-09-08 13:51

    Well said Com. Jordan. Something urgent, that needs to be done if the Movement wants to continue leading the people of SA to a better life. We cannot realise that dream under this leadership which scorns at its own people, bulldozing issues, forcing issues down the throats of ordinary people. In South Africa today, it's like everybody is standing by, watching this order, running amock, defending their connections, stealing from the poor, not caring for the young graduates, killing their own people, running away from urgent issues/situations, busy parading their wealth. We need a changed ANC. I still believe, it is the ANC, that has a progrssing national agenda to deliver people from poverty, but this cannot be done, under this leadership which is divided into whacks and doves.

  • pws69 - 2012-09-08 13:52

    Pallo, you are ANC, that means this applies to you too. I had to laugh at that scum Frene Ginwala finding her moral compass only AFTER leaving parliament. Meanwhile this piece of excrement bailed out ALL her travelgate buddies with MY tax money.

      khathutshelo.muafrica - 2012-09-08 14:05

      U r totaly a fool or politicaly immature if u r nt a white who craves apartheid 2 sugest anc's policies and ideals is shared by all its -1 million members

      pws69 - 2012-09-08 17:40

      Are you drunk Khathutshelo? What the hell are you going on about? Where did I mention Apartheid, or even allude to it? Where did I mention ANC policies or ideals?

  • mzuvumile.g.mnqanqeni - 2012-09-08 13:57

    It does not take rocket of science to see our movement is in paralysis. We hoping things will turn around

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 14:03

    This is another practical example that a black African man will never become a successful leader of any country in this planet, all they know is corruption,dictatorship,nepotism,murder,torture,destroying everything,greedy and all bad things under the sun. If we want to make south Africa a Sweden of the African continent give Helen zille power and she will show those ANC idiots how to govern a country, criticize me if you can but that's the truth and facts what I said.

      mthetheleli.ntshobololo.1 - 2012-09-08 14:15

      that incudes you, you are still black, right?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 14:57

      Ngobeni you claim that a black man cannot be a successful leader ... but also claim to be black and successful. I find that to be a very strangely twisted logic. I know of at least 2 black African leaders who have been successful. One of them is Nelson Mandela. Only if he had been younger, he would have had two very successful terms of leadership don't you think?

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-08 15:38


      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 15:47

      Learn to read clearly before you jump for conclusions Wena thwala, did I said that iam successful at politics or leading a country? Yes iam successful at creating a good income for me, don't bring Mandela into this discussion because he's not an idiot like these current ANC leadership, it's a fact a black man does not know how to govern a country, just look at Zimbabwe and other African countries that are governing by black government and tell me if you see any good coming from these countries.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 16:01

      Okay, I'll leave you out. But why must I not bring Mandela in? He was an African leader who successfully led SA, an African country, or wasn't he? Yet in your moment of stupidity, you came to an absurd conclusion that “a black African man will never become a successful leader of any country.\ Use your brain next time, not yoiu behind

      mlungisi.fynn - 2012-09-08 16:11

      all these things they learnt from your innocent white masters boy and oh before I forget,which white European is leading a country without some of the negative tendencies you mentioned?

      ntloko.yamazizi - 2012-09-08 16:40

      Ngobeni you've been brainwashed by white ppl what make you think they are successful leaders. If u know your history you wouldn't hv commented u know P Bota

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 16:40

      Arguing your statement by using only Mandela to highlight your examples it's called vulnerability, African continent has got 52/53 countries and out of all the leadership of these 53 nations you only see Mandela as a good leader that just prove my statement when I said a black man is clueless when it comes to lead a country. about your foul language Wena THWALA you learned it from your father because he was using it when abusing your mother.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 17:05

      Ngobeni you generalised you idiot! You could have said Mandela was the exception! Instead, you painted him alongside all the corrupt and incompetent leaders of Africa. In your determination to prove your point, you also run to West, and seem ignorant of the fact that the West also had stupid leaders such as George Bush and Adolph Hitler. Lastly, what prophetic powers do you have to prove that SA will never reverse the current rot unless a white person becomes the President? What about people such as Lindiwe Mazibuko? The fact that you expect SA, a country in which black people are the majority, followed by coloured people, must be led by a white person after what apartheid did to black people, shows that you are psychologically damaged. Black people are the majority. It will be a cold day in hell before the majority voted for a white person to run the country after 18 years since apartheid was formally abolished. We must find competent black people who can lead the country alongside whites, in the best interest of SA, not of any specific group. If we find white people who can contribute to this realisation, that`ll even be great. But if you prefer white rule, go to Orania boet

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-08 17:12

      Keith.....Russia, Columbia, Venezuela, Mexico....etc were/are led by Black Africans neh?!......if you dont know yo history shut up!! Im a product of this struggle.......product of this governments policies........we know the challenges we have as the ANC, we are man enough to admit to them. Take yo Uncle Tom a$$ to the pages of the Mail

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 17:29

      THWALA, you understandstood my first comment very well but because you were trying to be a clever for nothing you showed your stubbornness, 18yrs in power it's long enough for any responsible government to come up with solutions that can help the citizens, but your ANC are doing the opposite, more people are living in dire poverty now than 30yrs ago, and you want me to still sing some praises to the ANC, you're not even 30yrs old but you're crying for the disadvantages of the past apartheid get real man ANC needs be voted out of power they have failed the people of south Africa.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 17:34

      No you idiot, I did not understand your stupid point that SA must be governed by a white President.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 17:39

      There you go again you idiot! I am not a member of the ANC and have not voted for them in the last 4 or five elections. I saw how the ANC was headed for the sewerage shortly after T Mbeki`s first term. But to say a white President must take shows how stupid and narrow minded you are. You don't understand SA`s history and the complexity of our society at all, or you would not be displaying such stupidity.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 17:53

      WENA STUPID THANDO, have you ever been outside south Africa before? Iam positive that you don't even have a passport, what struggle you're hallucinating about? You're one of those drop-out high school kids who were born in the eighties but claiming to have been disadvantaged by the apartheid, as long as you remain with no educational qualifications on your name you'll end up stitching trousers because of poverty, the corrupt ANC you're trying to defend is worthless to waste your energy on it, but imbeciles like you can't see that, yes south Africa need a new government like DA to move forward in the right direction wether you like it or not.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 18:07

      THWALA IDIOT IS YOUR PEANUT BRAIN, are you saying its ok for the ANC to destroy south Africa because they're black government? First it's you who don't understand and know your history very well, helen zille isn't not the same Helen who was showered with praises and accolades by the same ANC that is governing south Africa today before she formed the DA because of her hard work of exposing the brutality displayed by the past regime, now Helen is a enemy,racist etc because she went on to form a strong opposition political party, your problem is to do with a race it's not about making south Africa a better place for everyone, why did you stop voting ANC if you don't want a white woman to govern south Africa? Themba go to school so that you'll understand the world in a better way not in your shallow hell mind, Iam not going to respond to you anymore because you're a lost soul which needs help.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-08 18:15

      Keith there you go showing yo true mettle......stupidity!! Brief profile check: born in th mid 70's from a middle class family, went to THE private schools, went to varsity(UCT)...BSc:Civil Engineering. Worked for consultants, municipality......due to BEE got my own company. Im an owner of a very successful small/medium construction firm. I grew up in an environment where every 5 years we visited our relatives(exiles) in th UK, US, check yo 'facts' before you spew yo crap all over this thread. The ANC is doing very well considering what the doomsdayers were saying. Albeit that, we can do more as the ANC to change the lives of the majority of our black Africans for the better.

      fedix.makwala - 2012-09-08 18:29

      This guy cannot be black. Blacks know how to speak African languages. Keith Ngobeni from which planet? Shame on you FAKE

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 18:31

      Good! Shut up because all you keep doing is brag about how~well travelled you are, but still remain a warp minded retard

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-08 18:59

      Keith......inoba uthi xa ujonga espilini ubenolunya, if you are black then you really have a mental problem with yo blackness. Steve Biko said a lot about people like you.....its a pity his life was cut short by your 'blood brothers'!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-08 19:58

      @Keith ~ It's best not to waste your time on the brainwashed illiterate.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-08 20:57

      Tannie Irene.....get yourself a life, while you @ it......get a sum vanish!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-08 21:25

      Yes, listen to your “baas” Keith: this fake troll that hides behind a black surname

      B.b. - 2012-09-09 17:14

      Nah, a colour can never run a country, but only a competent person can run a country. It depends on the mind of that particular person and his/her suroundings. If u know the criminals, then the law must take its course. Busy talking about corruption, y don't u arrest the criminals? Remember, according to the constitution, nobody is bigger than or above the law.

  • luvo.luvos - 2012-09-08 16:18

    What everyone's been saying all along. Only the dumbos believe the ANC can change their circumstances

  • normboolalor.scizaar - 2012-09-08 16:19

    T had to b seen by some1 within the party! Why is it seen as political risk? Is it bcoz he tells it like he sees it or bcoz he knows he's not part of corruption? I take my hat off 4 u Pallo!

  • kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-08 16:26

    No kidding Einstein? It was apparent to all who could read 10 years ago.