Parliament hit new low - Motshekga

2012-11-01 22:15

Cape Town - Levels of tolerance and respect in the National Assembly have hit an all-time low, says ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga.

Briefing the media at Parliament on Thursday, he said the "disorderly and chaotic" sitting of the House last Tuesday had embarrassed all MPs.

"The chaos and disorder in the NA on Tuesday, which included the banging of tables, notably by DA MPs, in full view of the public, represented one of the lowest points in the history of our multi-party debates."

Motshekga was referring to what happened during the sitting on that day when he moved a motion that Congress of the People leader Mosiuoa Lekota be censured for "misleading Parliament".

Opposition MPs, including DA members, shouted, booed and banged on their desks while Motshekga was speaking.

Earlier, Lekota had been ordered out of the House - by Deputy Speaker Nomaindia Mfeketo - for refusing to withdraw a statement he had made a week earlier, in which he said that President Jacob Zuma has "defied" a court order.

He said at that time that Zuma had "defied an order, by the Supreme Court of Appeal, to hand over the abbreviated transcripts of the tapes that permitted criminal charges to be dropped or withdrawn against himself".

On Thursday, Motshekga said MPs' conduct had been shameful.

"There is absolutely no justification for the abhorrent behaviour, regardless of how aggrieved some MPs were with the decision of the presiding officer.

"Such unbecoming conduct is unacceptable and severely damages the trust, respect and confidence the public should have in this Parliament," he said.

Motshekga said a meeting of the multi-party chief whips' forum on Wednesday had "reflected at length on the matter".

"All parties agreed to work both jointly and individually to maintain order and respect for House proceedings, and defend the integrity of Parliament."

An appeal had been made to all parties at the meeting to respect the rules of Parliament and uphold the decorum of the House.

Motshekga "rejected the charge levelled at the ANC that it is stifling freedom of expression in Parliament".

On Lekota's statement, he said an allegation of "violation of oath of office" or "defiance of a judicial order" by a head of state was a serious matter.

MPs who wished to bring such allegations of improper conduct should do so, in terms of Parliament's established practice and procedures, by way of a substantive motion.

"The claim that some opposition MPs get kicked out of the House for criticising the president is inaccurate and deliberately misleading," he said.

Speaking at the briefing, John Jeffrey, parliamentary counsel for the deputy president, said the notice of motion to have Lekota censured was based on his "deliberately misleading" the House.

"What he said was not correct," Jeffrey said.

Parliament has yet to place the matter on its programme.

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-01 22:25

    Thats because the ANC has absolutely no respect for anyone else other than themselves! ... you reap what you sow..........

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-01 22:46

      In fact, there is so little respect, he has nothing to defend.

      lownabester - 2012-11-01 22:52

      I wonder if they have respect for each other, I doubt that too. Lot of hooligans trying to act all civil, its a joke.

      gary.scande - 2012-11-01 23:00

      Don't ANC members stab each other and throw chairs during so-called "meetings" surely that is a slightly lower point than a boo and a bang. Pot calling the kettle extremely dark grey in my opinion.

      andrew.hendrikse - 2012-11-01 23:08

      The pot calling the kettle black!!

      lsfreak - 2012-11-01 23:49

      Wonder what they'll do if in the next sitting straight after the hello's the whole opposition get-up and walk out leaving only the cANCer in Parliament and the next sitting and the next... No debate...Not enough votes to count. Then what... :/

      honey.deelishus - 2012-11-02 00:00

      how can anyone be expected to respect parliamentarians that don't respect the laws of our land or respect their own people!

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-02 00:22

      Mathole Motshekga. You have it all wrong.... The whole of South Africa is at a "NEW LOW" under the current leadership !!

      Oraniaboer - 2012-11-02 00:50

      Ag man your whole damn country hit a new LOW since the ANC came to power. Everything is going for a bowl of Shizzer.

      denise.labuschagne.54 - 2012-11-02 05:29

      people shouldn't be afraid of their governments it should be the other way around

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-11-02 07:27

      ...and still the cANCer thief's will support the corrupt useless showerhead regardless of the respect of the poor.

      merven.halo - 2012-11-02 07:40

      "defend the integrity of Parliament" Lol, what integrity?

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-11-02 07:47

      DA only practiced what the ANC and its supporters have been showing the country if something does not fit in with their thinking.

      mariuskowie - 2012-11-02 08:25

      I agree with Motshekga that tolerance levels and respect in the National Assembly have hit an all-time low. the fact that he is willing (and clearly proud to do it) to chastise the "culprits" and claim the moral high ground clearly shows his intolerance and disrespect for the opposition parties. His press release is worse than the actual events in parliament. This is something they need to sort internally. Trying to hang dirty washing in public like this is disgusting. It shows the brake marks on the ANC underpants.

      mart.botha - 2012-11-02 08:43

      The ANC is once again 'creating smoke so it can't see itself (or their leader) in the proverbial mirror !' The point actually being made 'f*cknut', is that South Africa is more than gatvol of the ANC, and the people are getting ready to take this 'thing' to a whole..... new.....level !! A watershed moment....a moment of disaster or absolute brilliance will soon change the landscape in South Africa.

      george.outremer - 2012-11-02 08:47

      Exactly on point: There can be no respect for a so called leader and his government who defy a Supreme Court of Appeal Ruling to release tapes.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-02 08:57

      To quote what an MP had to say in the NA "shut up!"

      art5SA - 2012-11-02 09:20

      If the ANC had ANY RESPECT... they would OBEY THE COURT ORDER and IMPEACH the SHAGGA ZULU.... Some people live by a different set of LAWS....

      clive.wannenburg - 2012-11-02 10:32

      They got a taste of their own medicine and did not like it! hahahaha making noise while others speak against problems is common from ANC members over the years.

  • Sharmay - 2012-11-01 22:28

    What do you expect? Look at the collective calibre of people in cabinet... Not all the sharpest tools in the shed.

      goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-02 07:18

      When the civilized start acting like the uncivilized, the uncivilized cannot understand what is happening....When parents start behaving like their unruly children the children become worried.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-11-02 09:04

      Parliament is a place where everybody talks, nobody listens and everybody disagrees later on

  • john.radebe - 2012-11-01 22:35

    ANC leaders are proving Malema right when he says they abuse their power. Arrogance will be the demise of ANC. There's no leadership, no vision etc. The NP ran hospitals, schools, technicons, training centres, etc well. They now bully everybody who makes a point...look at the situation of the mines, now people are going to be jobless. Pres Zuma is now staying in the house that cost R208 million whereas people go to bed without löng as Zuma leads I wont vote for the ANC.

      john.morreira.9 - 2012-11-02 06:27

      My dear John it's fine if you don't vote ANC. But PLEASE then DO vote for another party.

  • rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-11-01 22:40

    I didn't think it could get any lower, it's already lower than the shadow of shark sh*t on the sea floor.

  • bheki.shabangu.10 - 2012-11-01 22:57

    Politicians and bitches have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason(liars,cheating,Corruption,Booze,untrustworthy,Stealing.......etc). But in this Case it's because South Africa don't have a President,let's Vote for a Reliable President.Black or White things will be back to normally.

  • yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-11-01 23:03

    Maybe MP's should toyi toyi with panga's to show their disapproval!!

  • raymond.buis.3 - 2012-11-01 23:17

    Wow the ANC are really good at playing the victims. I suppose when you can not do anything yourself , you blame everyone else.

  • ronnyfasco.kheswa - 2012-11-01 23:22

    I think all mp's should stp behavin like its in a classroom in a limpopo high skul while in da house! I mean banging tesks..wats dat#pissed

  • BulletProof. - 2012-11-01 23:50

    "Such unbecoming conduct is unacceptable and severely damages the trust, respect and confidence the public should have in this Parliament," he said. TRUST AND RESPECT MUST BE EARNED.

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-11-02 00:12

    I would also bang the tables in frustration if I was a DA member having to put up with the arrogant brainless ANC cadres!!

  • Rhulani Coleman Mkhwanazi - 2012-11-02 00:14

    ANC is immaturely ruling and took over our SA Parliament and is defeating the standing of our Republican Justice. They are now owning the parliament. f*k it

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-02 00:35

    Sack the inept deputy-speaker. Disaster dogs her in every deployment.

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-11-02 00:39

    Give the tape damnit and stop playing hide n seed..its enough about your stupidity

  • declan.kelly.54 - 2012-11-02 00:41

    I think "the public" actually rather appreciate somebody standing up for them. Thank you very much.

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-11-02 00:41

    Give the damnit tape bustard you can ride bt u can't hide..

  • dylan.mugabe - 2012-11-02 01:09

    Agreed. As a DA voter I was shocked by their behaviour. This isn't the Congo.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-02 07:44

      What is the difference between making noise on their benches or shouting some-one completely down when that person makes his/her speech? In that persons allocated speech time. Short memories my friend. Visit Parliament and see how the ANC sometimes behave against opposition. None of those should happened, but the ANC opened that "box" long ago. Just for interest. In the Congo they shoot, not speak! lol.

      matthew.john.5686 - 2012-11-02 07:56

      What is good for the geese is good for the gander. Why do they want to make an issue of this situation - beacuase it is a cover up. The times that the ANC members behaves in the same manner is "OK" Wake up be impartial

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-11-02 01:49

    Nonsense the anti Christ Motshekga is a hypocrat, he cries abt public trust when his useless wife is buzy destroying the future of school kids especially in limpopo, I hate the DA and i am beggining 2 hate the ANC

      johnny.matsetse - 2012-11-02 06:53

      @ Mbavhalelo U do not have the reason to hate the DA instead u shud hate the party that is slowly destroying our beautiful country

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-02 07:45

      Hate is a strong word my friend. Calm down. Your hart! lol.

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-02 14:23

      you hate the DA? have you taken any time to research the DA, find out what they all about? or are you just regurgitating something you heard at your oupa's knee? make an informed decision, man.

  • kaven.huang.50 - 2012-11-02 02:53

    This is run by unruly party which will result in an unruly parliament which will then lead to an unruly country. Simple as that my friends

  • richard.turner.7792052 - 2012-11-02 03:30

    Apes I. The zoo

      dbo.kacebisa - 2012-11-02 04:44

      Didn't know that there are albino apes

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-02 07:48

      So in other words you two said we must just put up a sign saying ZOO and we benefit a new attraction in Cape Town?( seeing that the Tygerberg zoo are now closed) Good

  • thulani.sparks - 2012-11-02 03:49

    Parliament is for old people said Malema...I say all MPs are childish freaks!!

      dbo.kacebisa - 2012-11-02 04:39

      Can you really bro qoute that one? Yerrrr

  • dbo.kacebisa - 2012-11-02 04:37

    If our MPs can't behave, I wonder how they can expect a hungry man on a street to behave. I see marikana repeating itself in NA

  • enock.tumisang - 2012-11-02 04:50

    If we choose leaders who are above board and encompasses by Integrity and who displays the level of professionalism,I'm of view that none of this would be happening! For as long there is still mud in your shoes,the maid will always complain whenever U go into the house while she cleans! Rather get ur house in order and set precedent b4 attempting to hammer people who differ with U.

      Erna - 2012-11-02 07:49

      Integrity is a dirty word in the anc.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-02 07:50

      Very cleverly said!

      Antipoaching - 2012-11-02 08:16

      Well said Jacob Motadi! If I could give your post a million "likes" I would!

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-11-02 05:21

    Parliament hit an all time low when showerhead took over - can't get much lower than that.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-11-02 05:27

    A joke coming from the ANC whose members are allways sleeping on the job!

  • ljmostert - 2012-11-02 05:47

    The ill-discipline and disrespect in Parliament reflects what I see outside - even in the streets! Just see how people drive in traffic! Eg blatantly crosssing intersections on red traffic lights etc, Court orders don't need to be adhered to!

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-02 14:27

      um, those are not people driving in traffic crossing intersections on red lights etc. those are taxi drivers! specially cloned with room temperature IQ's. No education and very little intelligence!

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2012-11-02 05:50

    Viva opposition MPs u must show us how to standup against a corrupt dictatorship we will do the same in the ballot box in people must know that the only party that has a chance of winning is the Da so let's vote DA and save SA

  • hein.huyser - 2012-11-02 06:08

    Seems a lot of "new lows" happen on the anc's whatch. Wonder why one people get the worst from you and others get the best out of you

  • Karel du Toit - 2012-11-02 06:08

    Trying to divert attention again. Why must anyone listen to a party with a corrupt leader who refuses to adhere to court orders. That is the african way if no one wants to listen create chaos. you should be used to it as the cANCer

  • sifiso.sosibo.10 - 2012-11-02 06:10

    PArliaments the world over are nothing but kindergarten playgrounds. Even 1st world country like UK its a madhouse but nothing surpassed East Asia and South America where MPs always come to fist fightings and chair throwing matches!

  • Onke.Dali - 2012-11-02 06:10

    Oh really? Coz I and about at least 20 million others will agree that the ANC has been hitting the lowest of lows for a good 5 years now.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-11-02 06:11

    i have no confidence or trust in the so called parliament so i dont know what the hell you talking about ,what about the heckling of the ANC in the parliament when the opposition bring up motions , so please concentrate on the motion that the member has raised and stop stone walling .

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-11-02 06:13

    How low can you go??? President publically plundering R240 million for a private residence, R675 billion known to be lost to corruption, etc etc etc SHUTTUP!!!!!!!!!!

  • richard.madhopershad - 2012-11-02 06:14

    why are we deviating from the truth...Zumer has not adhered to a court order and must face the music...all this delay is a clear indication of guilt and corruption... he must join his buddy Shabir...perhaps play golf together!!

  • lion.afric - 2012-11-02 06:19

    Parliament has become a circus. This democracy needs to grow up very fast.

  • richard.mbuly - 2012-11-02 06:23

    come General elections...[*]

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-02 14:29

      oh Richard. elections, where have the 'elections' gotten your people? sorry but you deserve this : TWAT! what about the 'elections' dont you understand? the ANC decides on a 'candidate' and there is not one of them trustworthy enough to be let loose on the public purse! elections my skinny white **ss!

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-11-02 06:27

    If I had it all my own way, I'd have all of you shot! Pink Floyd. I truly believe if that you have no job skills, no ambition for good, no moral compass, you'll make a fine politician...........or lawyer.:)

  • Bongeka - 2012-11-02 06:29

    That's why I always say that politians and diapers have one thing in common----they both should be changed regularly and for the same reason.

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-11-02 06:35

    Only because ANC bullying and dictatorial conduct is on an all time high. Parliament is no loner functioning democratically as all opposition is silenced, such as The Lekota incident. LET' OUR LEADERS ALSO SPEAK! HHOORAY DA, MAKE PARLIAMENT 'UNGOVERNABLE' HA HA

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-11-02 06:37


      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-02 14:31

      Go Lekota Go! Viva and wamshini wam and all that other crap! he he the dog is devouring itself from the **ss up! he he. anyone for McDonald's? i am lovin' it.

  • peter.jordaan.5 - 2012-11-02 06:41

    As said before the more the ANC tries to cover up things the worse it is all getting for them. Even a black uneducated by the ANC can see that, yet they persist. It shows that the ANC is try its level best to be thrown out over time. If they want it so badly assist them.... they would be so grateful for your assistance ... hey bro how can we help you on your way?

  • Kalari - 2012-11-02 06:44

    After 18 years evidence become clear, reality cannot be hidden anymore, masks coming off and the world sees the real anc and it is ugly. The lows will still get lower. Watch Mangaung , we have seen nothing yet. If the current non leaders are voted in again then we are in real trouble. masks coming off and the world is seeing the real anc

  • eduard.marais.5 - 2012-11-02 06:50

    Lekota was right, give the tapes / transcripts, obviously Zuma is hiding something very serious, its been months since he was ordered to hand'em over

      Erna - 2012-11-02 07:39

      We all know he is guilty. Otherwise why fight so hard to keep out of court?

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-11-02 06:50

    The ANC is forever telling the public that when they fight amongst themselves it is called "robust debate" and that is how it should be. But if the other parties climb in it is called "a new low". It must be frustrating when a party has to argue against the majority who are just out to make money and to destroy the country!

  • mbulelo.pikoli - 2012-11-02 06:51

    I think before u become MP,u mst hv grade12 nd Diploma.we don't need natural born leaders we need graduates de dats y parliament hit new low

  • craig.s.pepper - 2012-11-02 06:52

    Kudos to Lekota, Showerhead's pissing on the law again with his actions! In any other law abiding country, he would have been impeached and in Jail. cANCer is destroying this country

      Erna - 2012-11-02 07:35

      In any other country that I would've been proud to live in, he wouldn't be president! I used to be embarrassed admitting that I lived in SA during the apartheid years but am equally embarrassed now! Particularly when zuma opens his mouth and makes some stupid statement, like he has been doing often lately. Hard not to make comparisons between him and Obama!

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-02 14:33

      only if we let them! we have a voice, we have feet to march and we have the power of the pen Craig. we are not powerless and we are not victims! i have lived in SA all my life am a law abiding tax paying citizen and i will be fuqd if i will let some jackass destroy my life!

  • juannepierre - 2012-11-02 06:58

    Parliament hit a low when Zuma was called a president. Oh well, I guess retarded people need to work as well.

  • chris.kleynhans - 2012-11-02 07:10

    I agree. The behaviour of the DA and other parties does not befit the framework set for a one party democracy!

  • thifulufhelwi.masala - 2012-11-02 07:14

    Mr motshega wat do you know about tollerance? The only thing you know is bullying small party because you have more rights like your uncle zuuum said.

  • jacob.k.motadi - 2012-11-02 07:16

    \Section 58 of the Constitution explicitly safeguards the rights of members of the National Assembly to freedom of speech in the Assembly and in its committees, subject only to the rules and orders of the Assembly. In terms of this section, MP’s are also not liable to civil or criminal proceedings, arrest, imprisonment or damages for anything that they have said in, produced before or submitted to the Assembly or any of its committees. The purpose of this provision is to protect members of Parliament against censorship by the majority party and to create a free space within which elected representatives can criticise and attack each other. In order to allow robust debate to flourish in Parliament MPs can say what they want in Parliament – even if they cannot prove that their claims or allegations are true and even if what they say defames somebody else.\ This is what the anc and its speaker must know. From Pierre De Vos' blog.

      Erna - 2012-11-02 07:24

      Lekota said the same thing when he was booted out. This anc lot are so arrogant that they think they are above the law. Plus the fact that they don't know how to handle 'power'.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-02 08:06

      Thank you sir for the insight!

      Antipoaching - 2012-11-02 08:14

      Well said Jacob Motadi! If I could give your post a million "likes" I would!

  • mat.dewey.33 - 2012-11-02 07:25

    Haha, What about all the MP's that sleep during meetings of the national assembly? Is that not embarrasing? The fact that transparency is in fact part of another universe and that important questions are not being answered...... Is that not embarrassing? It seems that un answerable questions are dealt with by asking persons to leave the Assembly.... not embarassing?