Parties not taking voters seriously - Zuma

2014-06-20 14:12

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma told MPs that there has been a “very dramatical” decline in other parties, which indicated that they did not take voters seriously.

On Friday the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) were warned that they risk parliamentary sanction.

Thandi Modise, who chaired the joint sitting for the last stretch of the debate, said an EFF MP had behaved unacceptably as party leader Julius Malema led a walkout from the National Assembly chamber on Thursday night and hinted he could be disciplined.

"While leaving, disruptive and unacceptable behaviour was demonstrated by a member of those honourable members," Modise said, without naming the particular MP.

"This could very well be a matter that could reside under the mandate of the powers and privileges committee."

Minutes before, Zuma had told MPs he believed South Africans watched the debate closely to see how parties performed so that they could decide whether they would continue to vote for them.

"The evidence of the decline - very dramatical in other parties - I think it indicates that they don't take their voters seriously.

"We are about South Africa in the main. The fact that we belong in different parties is because we choose different methods and ideas of reaching there," he added.

"I would like to appeal that, as we continue the debates, we must indeed be seen by the country that we all love our country, that we don't want to deal with one another as individuals because that reduces the debate of the country to individual debates."

Heated debate

Wednesday and Thursday's debate on Zuma's speech saw bare-fisted criticism of Zuma from Malema and DA parliamentary leader Mmusi Maimane, which earned them scathing put-downs from Human Settlements Minister Lindiwe Sisulu.

Malema accused Zuma of being "scared of white people" and Maimane said voters were used to the president being at the centre of scandals and would not trust him until he dealt openly with the lavish use of public funds to improve his private Nkandla homestead in KwaZulu-Natal.

Malema, who was delivering his maiden speech in the legislature, also charged that the "the ANC massacred the people in Marikana".

This statement led to the EFF's unruly walkout, as Modise on Thursday night ruled that the statement was unparliamentary and ordered Malema to withdraw it.

He refused, saying the ANC readily took credit when crime rates went down, and should therefore shoulder the blame for the shooting of striking mineworkers at Marikana, near Rustenburg in the North West, in August 2012.

His colleagues followed him out of the chamber, loudly protesting as they went.

One of them shouted at Modise that she was the premier of North West province at time of the shooting.

She responded: "Yes, I was the premier."

  • Nat Howler - 2014-06-20 14:17

    With the possible exception of the DA, the parties that DO take voters seriously don't get votes. Examples--UDM, NFP, ACDP, UCDP, MF, WASP, ICOSA. You South Africans are your own worst enemies.

      moles - 2014-06-20 14:34

      Then why are they voting ANC Jamba?

      Yin Yang - 2014-06-20 14:35

      Here is the thing: ANCorruption believes that the world owes them, where in fact they owe us (service delivery). They owe us their time, energy and talent (something they lack of) so that no one will be at war! They need to grow up and stop being cry babies ,get out of their dream world and develop a backbone and not a wishbone! They need to behave like responsible leaders!

      Lolo James - 2014-06-20 14:42

      @moles. They vote for ANC because it gave them freedom and liberation. They don't trust other parties because they only exist on bashing the ANC. Me thinks the more insults thrown to JZ the merrier for the ANC. That dumb and unassuming position JZ takes in public in fact works like a charm and has a opposite effect. Just sheer cheap psychology. Believe me JZ is far from stupid.

      KASI4LYF - 2014-06-20 14:52

      EFF and DA new parliamentary leader brought disgusting accussation that were never experienced in parliament since 1994. I think DA must rethink of bringing maimane as their parly leader, i beleive DA has better grade than than guy. Maimane+malema=Moemish of the parly in the whole 2 decades

      Debbie Ryan - 2014-06-20 14:58

      The party that declined in votes was the ANC only... Zuma is delusional & divorced from reality - this typically indicates sociopath traits

      Pierre Pretorius - 2014-06-20 15:26

      @Moles Because they hate white people. Easy.

      Mike Heyns - 2014-06-20 16:18

      @Moles: Cause 25% of adults have only up to primary school education and illiterate? Remember your anc election manifesto of 2009 with your no.1 saying "By 2014 then will be NO illiterate person in SA"? Good thing I didn't take him seriously!

      Omn Basso - 2014-06-21 15:36

      zanc merry band of thieves sound sooooo patronising, blady loosers

  • SunshinyDay - 2014-06-20 14:20

    Yes there was a decline in other parties but an INCREASE in the DA. Even you, the ANC, had a decline in voters. That means, by your statement, you aren't taking voters seriously either.

      Amos Quito - 2014-06-20 14:25

      Yes Mr.ZANC, take a look at Jhb, Pta and PE

      Juan van Schalkwyk - 2014-06-20 14:31

      That is not true. Three parties grew in the National Election. DA, UDM and FF+. And the DA in fact declined in the Wcape as they swallowed up the ID and if you take the ID and DA vote from the last provincial election the DA got less than that combined total this time.

      moles - 2014-06-20 14:37

      the number of people who voted for the ANC also grew ,get your facts right people .

      Colin Craig Broadfoot - 2014-06-20 14:37

      Do you really think that zumhole can understand that.

      Mike Heyns - 2014-06-20 15:01

      @Moles: Let me guess, you never did maths? Ever heard of the function called "percentage"?

      SunshinyDay - 2014-06-20 15:11

      Juan, I never said NO other party grew expect the DA. The DA, being the main opposition, is just an important one to take note of. Another party that grew was the EFF. None of the other parties are the main opposition right now and (because race is such a huge issue for people) they appeal more to the masses than the DA, so for the DA to grow under such conditions is great (as is with the FF+). Moles, the ANC got 11,436,921 this year compared to 11,650,748 in 2009... how does that equal to growth? They lost over 200k voters.

      George Slade - 2014-06-20 15:27

      Moles : if u are Ignorant , why do you chose to advertise it ? I guess its the African way -You cut off your nose to spite your face & claim its a Cosmetic improvement ! God this is a Country of Profound ignorant fools .

      Angle Grinder Man - 2014-06-20 15:32

      @Juan. Why lie????? 2009 PL: DA 51.5% + ID 4.7% = 56.2%; 2014 PL: DA 59.38%

      Michael Ntsh - 2014-06-20 16:39

      @Moles You are right. Absolute numbers increased but percentage shows a decline due to population increase. People comment for the sake of gallery whilst sitting on their brain. They must look at IEC website, it's there for them to see.

  • Musa KamaShobane - 2014-06-20 14:21

    I hope he has told Lindiwe Sisulu the same for calling Maimane a native. Unfortunetely we cant ignore Nkandla because those are public monies Mr President and it is you who must account, there comes individualising the debate

      Masela Dima - 2014-06-20 14:29

      I did not watch who called Sisulu to order..............

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2014-06-20 14:37

      Masela Dime. The only person that can, the Speaker.

  • Eugene Fourie - 2014-06-20 14:22

    So by his own definition then the ANC also counts under those parties as their votes also declined over the last few years...

  • Lolo James - 2014-06-20 14:23

    Mr Preident I think it is the other way round. . It is the voters who are not taking parties seriously. The fact of the matter is that how do they vote empty headed clowns and buffoons to parliament.

  • RDynasty LaFamilia - 2014-06-20 14:25

    "Court orders mental observation for Dewani" same mental observation wer done for Oscar....its tym we do one for Zuma as he doesn't know wat he's talkin about, the was also a decline in voters for anc. But who can blame him number nd percentage it's not his things

  • Chase Cameron - 2014-06-20 14:26

    That's a bit rich coming from a party that lost a few percentage points in the recent election. I hope Malema had something to say about this BS.

  • Lucky Evans Ceo - 2014-06-20 14:30

    look whose talking......ANC not taking voters seriously - Zuma

  • Joseph van Wyk002 - 2014-06-20 14:30

    The circus is getting interesting lol.

  • Joao Duarte - 2014-06-20 14:32

    other parties, what about your own.. Minister Sisulu springs to mind

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2014-06-20 14:35

    Take voters seriously?. When do you start doing exactly that?.

  • Simon Sai Foyo - 2014-06-20 14:36

    Africa natinal comgres is the only party that doesn't take voters serious that is the fact they rule the country is there anychange ? Nop all they do is protecting each other for wrong things they do

  • Joseph van Wyk002 - 2014-06-20 14:39

    You don't take the voters seriosly DROLKOP!!!!!

  • Marie de la Rey - 2014-06-20 14:40

    How can an UNRULY member be an HONOURABLE member? I fail to understand in my small brain this concept.

  • Pogiso Mekgwe - 2014-06-20 14:45

    look whos talking

  • Karabo Juniour - 2014-06-20 14:47

    if so then you also not taking voters are using the money of the voters and build kraal for ur you are taking ur cows seriously more than the people of this belong to zimbabwe my friend....i think you are at the wrong country

  • rory - 2014-06-20 14:50

    Why so many of your members standing down. Zooooms you are on the wrong bus, come down to earth

  • Martin Pienaar - 2014-06-20 14:53

    Speak for yourself!

  • Mapule Ellen Mahlulo - 2014-06-20 15:04

    This is go

  • Tshivhenga Ndou - 2014-06-20 15:09

    With due respect Sir, the ANC is the worst culprit in ignoring the electorate. That is why you are still in office....

  • Joe Black - 2014-06-20 15:10

    The difference between Malema's and Maimame's statements are of course that the the latter was delivered as constructive criticism, advice even, and the other was an aggressive accusation. I do not believe that constructive criticism should be silenced. If that advice was followed to the letter then it would be better for South Africans and even the credibility of the ANC. That is what representative government should be about. Malema's ramblings on the other hand served no purpose other than attacking. He could have aimed his criticism at the ANC's habit of taking credit only for positives and never negatives which occurred under their watch. That would be better than a childish rant. But all in all the ANC is not above criticism. Criticism should be allowed in parliament and any other forum. This heavy handed silencing of any criticism is not right. It serves only the ANC. It constitutes an abuse of power.

  • Nadine Judith Lötter - 2014-06-20 15:12

    General Louis Botha fought for South Africa against British Colonialism. He was willing to give his life for his country.He captured Winston Churchill during the Second Boer War.What did Malema ever do for his country? He is a virus.Do away with General Louis Botha's statute and you'll feel the wrath of "Afrikaners" like never before.

      Nadine Judith Lötter - 2014-06-20 19:58

      The point is this: we all, black and white, fought for our country because we love it. And how could you not love our SA! It's beautiful, vibrant and have the most awesome citizens ever!we are all brothers and sisters black and white.we need to ignore government propaganda

      Phetogo Balican Vuma - 2014-06-21 11:52

      His time is now like that of Botha.everything has the beginning nd an end..nd time to add on get it he is doing it now.

  • Ronewa Marageni - 2014-06-20 15:15

    mr butternut you build a fancy kraal for cows with millions do you want to tell us you are taking us seriously ?

  • Lawrence Shirindza - 2014-06-20 15:16


      Noks Gumede - 2014-06-20 16:09

      if i may ask , hw many years dd the apartheid government rule the country???

      Bernd Kankowski - 2014-06-20 18:45

      To Noks Gumede, the irresponsible way in which blacks in particular deal with family planning or the lack thereof is one of the biggest stumbling blocks in providing services for the masses. One husband, 2 or 3 wives and a handful of children from each wife and the person expects the taxpayers to pay for their upbringing, housing etc. Act more responsible and maybe the few taxpayers can catch up with the backlog. You breed faster than the economy grows. Do the maths.

  • Sonnyboy Mathebula - 2014-06-20 15:19

    we still gonna vote for them,they are right and talking the trueth ANC GAVAMENT KILLED THE PEOPLE OF MARRIKANA THATS TRUE

  • Maxwell Botile - 2014-06-20 15:39

    the president himself doesnot take voters seriously how can he let so much money being spend on his yard only while there are people still living on shacks

  • Hlengani Fickson Makhense - 2014-06-20 15:42

    Why everything happen in previously government,you blame the apartheid government ? For sure ANC killed the people in Marikana.Pres you don't take the Voter's seriously, Why you took Tax People's Money to build Kraal ? Why you use our National Key Point for your Friends ( Gupta's ) and lot of things you are Worst to this Boy.

  • Consortium Scenarios - 2014-06-20 15:42

    My President you truly are the last person to be saying that...don't be a hypocrit!

  • Maxwell Botile - 2014-06-20 15:44

    The ANC is the only party which doesnot care about the voters how can they spend so much money on Zumas house while people of mzansi are still living on shacks

  • Lerato Lira - 2014-06-20 15:48

    ooh is that so yaa JZ

  • Boby Mohale - 2014-06-20 15:52

    Zuma is the one who dn't take voters seriously

  • kevern.upton - 2014-06-20 15:52

    Pot, Kettle......

  • Ewald van den Heever - 2014-06-20 15:59

    No if this does not qualify the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know

  • Grant Wykerd - 2014-06-20 16:00

    Oh my day's, wake up SA! PROPAGANDA is the order of the day! Look it up if you must... you are being played...

  • Graeme Armstrong - 2014-06-20 16:00

    HAHAHA they think political party means they Jol with tax money! Muppets!

  • William Malesa - 2014-06-20 16:02

    My friend says ,he did mistake that will only be rectified after 5yrs,he thought eff will represent him ,instate they play gumboots dance with his vote in the parliament,no man sis,come local election & 2019 are telling truth president.

      phello.khiba - 2014-06-20 17:35

      zuma himself,does not take voters,sirious do u wanna say,by looting tax,payers to take voters,sirious?by building ur self white house at ur home stead? u act as if u care..zuma but shame.on you..

      Phetogo Balican Vuma - 2014-06-21 11:43

      So you seriously standing up for this government. look at home affairs ppl work like thy r taking a late bath, public hospitals walking in there u committed a crime since u'll b treated like nothing. nd no one is doing anything about it..Nigeria are taking over our cities nd he is watching without being shaken..ppl flow like water nd remain like volcanic rock in our country without proper documentations..there is nothing impressive about this not active nd is uninspiring...

  • Alistair Campbell - 2014-06-20 16:03

    U r the one who doesn't take voters seriously jacob

  • Grant Wykerd - 2014-06-20 16:04

    KISS, means 'keep *imp stupid, simple' *imp = Individuals Manipulated by Propaganda... got it, good...

  • Hlengani Fickson Makhense - 2014-06-20 16:06

    People of South Africa we are blessed by this Boy to be in Parlianment.He used to be Baby of this Big Thief's,So now He will revill everything that's happening there.

  • Truth.nnete - 2014-06-20 16:07

    According to Anc 1976 students were killed by apartheid government but Marikana shooting were the work of police. I wonder if they take themselves serious

  • Grant Wykerd - 2014-06-20 16:12

    Inkling of, not one...

  • Sphesh Nondumiso Hlatshwayo - 2014-06-20 16:56

    Mcm as if he's mr serious....was he serious about the voters when he built his palace at Nkandla

  • Zwelithini Mdluli - 2014-06-20 16:57

    Jacob Nkandlayihlekisa zuma u r fool idiot uneducated looting taxpayers money

  • Tshepo Kobane - 2014-06-20 17:10

    Think he has a point. You can't stage a walkout throughout the whole year when you ought to be sitting in parliament advocating for the manifesto that made you a parliamentarian. Remember every time you walkout,parliament will not wait for you,important Bills are passed into law. Walkout during during media briefing,walkout during parliament, end up walking out during church session. And nothing to report to the constituency that put me in parliament, truly worried

      themba.nsele.71 - 2014-06-20 19:33

      We need to have a starting point to serve the people that put us in power. Just now five years will be gone without a single tick of the mandate done.

  • Colly Collystos - 2014-06-20 17:15

    people voted with their heart moron, we don't love u but the movement you are scam and a tribalist.

  • Clinton Van Rensburg - 2014-06-20 19:03

    JZ WAKE UP! The wrong people were called 'the poephols' .

  • Cedrick Fannie - 2014-06-20 19:10

    how about 200million taxpayers misused to benefit your cattle and chickens wherelse the millions who voted your party still expriencing poverty day in and day out.Why zuma???

  • Cedrick Fannie - 2014-06-20 19:16

    you are nothing but diseaster in our society and mind you,in Eff we don't take you and you desperate comments serious.Just put your money where your mouth is mr doublehead.

  • Phetogo Balican Vuma - 2014-06-21 11:26

    Parties not taking there voters seriously..Who told you that voters are your party that doesn't take its voters seriously since you took over, you have no plan for this country but to satisfy your own desires. You only think u deserve the chair becoz u were there wen Anc was fighting for the party that I've voted is doing exactly Wat I voted it to do..actually way much better than I thought.

  • Sibusiso Shabalala - 2014-06-21 11:57

    The president is spot on. You're in parliament to represent the people that voted for you regardless of whether it's you they like, your organisation, your controversies or your manifesto. Staging a walkout only means you leave your voters unrepresented. For that time they are as good as people who spoilt their votes