Phosa: Afrikaans bodies worried

2012-05-08 22:40

Johannesburg - Afrikaners are worried about the state of governance in South Africa, ANC treasurer general Mathews Phosa said on Tuesday.

"There was a feeling that leadership needs to shape up and address the issue of good governance," Phosa said after a meeting between the ANC and 19 Afrikaans bodies in Johannesburg.

He said other issues of concern related to service delivery, especially at local government level, security in urban and rural areas and the position of the Afrikaans language and culture.

Afrikaans groups at the meeting included the Afrikanerbond, the Nederduitse Gereformeerde Kerk, the Voortrekker Monument, the Afrikaanse Taal en Kultuurvereniging, the Afrikaanse Taalraad and the Federation of Governing Bodies of SA Schools.

The ANC delegation included Phosa, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe, Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson and Public Enterprises Deputy Minister Enoch Godongwana.

The convenors of the ANC Progressive Business Forum, Renier Schoeman and Daryl Swanepoel, also attended the meeting.

Phosa said he felt the discussions were going well.

"There were no holy cows... we said talk like you talk in the northern suburbs, don't hide things, we want to hear things," he said.

"We must embrace them and deal with the issues. We are not here to be buddy-buddy. We made it clear to them we not looking for votes, we are looking at issues that affect the nation... things which worry the nation."

Phosa said the organisations spoke about their reservations, and said their merit was being undermined by government appointments.

Some raised issues about black economic empowerment.

Phosa said he was touched when one of the organisations spoke about positive citizenship.

"They want to participate, they want to give input into the policies."

He said the ANC had also raised issues, such as rural security, with the Afrikaans organisations.

"We said, well, there must also be security for farm workers, you must treat them in a humane manner. We [are] giving each other both sides [of the story]... so not one perspective dominates," said Phosa.

Ulterior motives

The Freedom Front Plus earlier said the ANC had ulterior motives in holding talks with Afrikaans groups.

"[It] has more to do with the ANC's forthcoming election conference and the political survival of Mr Gwede Mantashe, then it has to do with a real concern for minority groups' and Afrikaans people's interests," FF Plus leader Pieter Mulder said in a statement.

"Talks with hidden agendas, however, bedevil relationships, break trust between groups and result in nothing."

He said the FF Plus had always been in favour of talks, and the party's history of talks with the ANC proved that, but he wanted to know what the "sudden interest" was.

"If the objective with the talks is to go gain the political support of minorities for the ANC and to boost individual candidates' images with a view to the ANC's election conference, it is doomed to fail," said Mulder.

Mantashe said the ANC had an obligation to understand the concerns of Afrikaans bodies in the country.

"Whether they vote for us or not, we have an obligation to understand where they are coming from, and their concerns."

He said the organisations had voiced some concerns, and wanted to make a contribution to South Africa.

"People want to make a contribution in making South Africa work and making South Africa a better country to live in."

The Afrikaans language also featured in the discussions.

"What came out was that there is no intention of elevating Afrikaans at the expense of other languages," Mantashe said.

Phosa and Mantashe said more meetings of this nature would be held and there would be feedback on the progress made.

"Our view is that maybe we should meet more with not only them [Afrikaans groups], but with many other stakeholders in a much more structured and regular way, and give feedback to each other about problems and issues raised in this meeting," said Phosa.

  • thebe.tau - 2012-05-08 22:44

    The female or the male bodies, well they look ok to me except ofcourse the bodies of the ones that consume too much braaivleis.

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-09 00:01

      Another fine example from @TAU that illiteracy is alive and well in SA....JUJU is that you? I bet you put your shoe on before your sock too.....

      Billy - 2012-05-09 00:58

      lol thebe.

      Carry - 2012-05-09 06:01


      Gieljam - 2012-05-09 06:40

      Its the Blue poop water , any case you need to be to be heavy/healthy to feel less secure standing before the woman e- Bus like figures you encounter at the roads blocks what still to say about most of those in parliament

      Smell - 2012-05-09 07:06

      Oh guys, get a life, the tjoppies and wors we Afrikaners just love eat do have a tendency to stick around the middle, if you know what I mean. Thebe, I thought you were funny. Everyone in South Africa should begin by having a good laugh at themselves. We are a very peculiar lot. On a more serious note, if the current initiative is a serious attempt to approach the Afrikaner, then it is very heartening and should be applauded. Us Afrikaners have been unloved, often for good reason, by the outside World since 1948, and especially since Sharpeville. However, beneath our crusty exterior we are a group of people that feel threatened and many of us is afraid of the future. I know it is much to ask from the ANC to come to us with an outstretched hand, after all we have done in the past. But many of us would just love to make a huge contribution to the benefit of all citizens if Africa finally embrace us as somewhat odd brothers and sisters, but family nevertheless. We originally came uninvited, but it is perhaps time to make the ones that wish to help feel welcome.

      Msika - 2012-05-09 07:15

      Ha! ha! ha! thebe.tau just cracked me.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 07:21

      Nothing will come of this............... The disadvantaged of all cultures with REAL issues requires attention yesterday,

      Lorain - 2012-05-09 08:12

      @ Thebe Nice one my man.

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-09 08:47 look at this header comment and think it is of a standard to "crack one up" or "LOL", or even comment "LOL", so clearly means the readership intellect of news24 is on a rapid decline..... I think i would just hide if my comment hit triple figure thumbsdown. No not this lot, they think TD is a case of A$$ about face.....

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:21

      Thebe, I don't consume braaivleis and you should see my waist. Nice laugh.

  • WhiteNut - 2012-05-08 22:56

    Even though I still do not understand the purpose of this meeting, but I want to warn these white farmers that, to avoid possible violent land grabs, they must make some compromise and give small portions of land to their black peasants who work on these farms like slaves and get evicted at the end of the day. I'm very disappointed with the ANC though..

      Thando - 2012-05-08 23:01

      White nut 2 crack..........

      rickvcooper - 2012-05-08 23:24

      The ANC must 'give' government owned land to the 'people'. There is more than enough state owned land that is not being used, but, that is of good farming quality. We don't have to take from whites, if giving land is a solution to anything.

      Sean - 2012-05-08 23:27

      @Thando - Oh here you are , did woodwork class finish early today ?

      Thando - 2012-05-08 23:35

      Yes master Sean.......

      WhiteNut - 2012-05-08 23:51

      I live on a 'farm', even though my family has been staying there from the 1700 when there was no white owner. The area divided into farms in 1929 owned by white pple, we suddenly became their workers! Let me tell you this if you care, even today we are not allowed to raise more than 10 cows! We can only cultivate a small portion of land not even enough for our own consumption, development in the area is banned by these white people, so we do not have water, lights, roads, transport, proper housing. Note this poverty is man made! We are restricted on our own land! We don't say the farmers must go! But why not give us freedom? Why not share?? Finally nothing is permanent, the day will come and the sad question is how?

      Chris - 2012-05-09 00:36

      @whitenut, why do you Africans always believe that Whites have to "share" and divide the wealth we have created for ourselves? I guess it's true what they say - Africans are generally consumers of wealth - not creators of wealth. You and your 'bruddas' have had 18 years to prove yourselves to Whites and the rest of the world. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Stop blaming Whites for your own shortcomings and create your own wealth.

      Thando - 2012-05-09 00:49

      Chris if only i wasnt drunk..........

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 05:15

      Now I understand Uncle Bob's actions

      henk63 - 2012-05-09 06:26

      @Thando - "years of apartheid messed us up" - Yeah sure! And you had no say in the matter of being "messed up"? Have you ever heard a white man say that they are "messed up" because of the current system? You are sidelining us economically and we will suffer more, but mentally we will not be "messed up". We will get up from the ashes and prosper again, not by numbers but by ability.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-09 06:32

      You definately are a Nut (or just a common troll), and totally out of touch with the way farm labour is treated. Nice try, it is a devious tactic of anti white politics - to create false impressions about us evil farmers.

      henrileriche - 2012-05-09 06:43

      Let me put it in simple terms. South Africa under white rule, compared to the rest of Africa, is a jewel, created by Afrikaners and whites in general. You can be glad you didn't grow up in some other poor part of Africa where poverty is far worse. Germany and Japan were levelled during the Second World war - 1939 - 1945. Onward look at those countries now. Again stood up from the ashes and build up the country. 200 years ago Haiti got freedom from slavery and managed to rule themselves. That was 200 years ago, and today, 2012, it still look like some country bombed the crap out out of Haiti. Nothing came from the 200 year old freedom. They still live in slavery of the mind, like many blacks live in South Africa. It is the likes of these blacks (no all) that I hope all whites could be removed from SA so these blacks can cannibalise each other to the point South Africa looks like Haiti. You create your own stereotypes with your narrow mindedness, and anti-progressive attitudes. Love living in the dark ages, not just phsysically, but also with ideas, and idiologies. Re-inventing the wheel is the problem with the black man, and the best is, you are your own worst enemy. It's in your nature to blame others.

      William - 2012-05-09 06:55

      I think there definitely are problems on both sides, but taking an extreme position does not facilitate discussion or the 'compromise' you are calling for. Warning & threatening only serves to divide people, not bring them together to find a mutually acceptable solution. Also, if the farm workers really are being treated that badly, as you say, then Government must step in & find a democratic solution, one that respects the laws of the land. Why have they not done so? Why do they continue to allow such terrible treatment? Finally, why should farmers give their land up to their workers? How much land? What parameters do we need to consider in calculating this? Only farms? Why not businesses, too? Same principle...I work for you so you must give me a part of the company...then I move to another company? What happens? I get a part of that too? Then I would just move from company to company DEMANDING my share while do absolutely f*all for the company & they will all fail & go bankrupt & I will end up on the street with my finger up my nose.

      Piet - 2012-05-09 07:12

      Henrileriche, they have not yet invented the wheel.....

      Leon - 2012-05-09 08:10

      i see a lot of white arrogance here. it shames me. i also see a lot of black ignorance here. WhiteNut, you applied for land restitution on that farm yes?

      Kevin - 2012-05-09 09:16

      Whitenut and Chris are examples of all that is wrong in South Africa. Chris believes that the whites came to South Africa and created all this wealth without exploiting and coercing blacks. Blacks on the otherhand cannot see that it is not simply about "sharing", but about creating. I simply dont have the enthusiasm time or space to expand on this other than to say, both are victims of an abysmal education system.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:22

      White nut, what an appropriate name.

  • Cornelius - 2012-05-08 23:17

    # "Afrikaners are worried about the state of governance in South Africa, ANC treasurer general Mathews Phosa said on Tuesday". Patronising, hypocritical nonsense. ... EVERYBODY is worried [more accurately: in despair] about the state of (non-)governance. # "They want to participate, they want to give input into the policies." What have "they" been trying to do these past 18 years? # "... we want to hear things" / "we are looking at issues that affect the nation... things which worry the nation". Don't you read the newspapers and watch the streets"?

  • Geronimo - 2012-05-08 23:19

    All well and good trying to cosy up to white Afrikaners but why is the ANC completely ignoring the white English section of SA?

      Modimolle - 2012-05-08 23:42

      maybe is because you dont whine and complain like the boers they are annoying

      Koos - 2012-05-09 02:39

      All liberals are English.

      zaatheist - 2012-05-09 04:36

      Because the ANC wants to thank all those ex-Nats for helping them to reintroduce the old Apartheid style censorship and security establishment.

      Koos - 2012-05-09 04:59

      Correction, some are Greek :)

      Victor - 2012-05-09 05:53

      English SA are nomarly not hard to deal with, hence they will be dealt with later. History tells us that the afrikaans speaking groups are very difficult, hence we need to start with them and when we are done the same formular can be applied to others. Am glad the ANC is doing this. I feel it is neccessary .

      phillip.havenga - 2012-05-09 07:19

      Koos I'm english you ass and I'm far from being a push over, maybe you should look at your own people that sold the Afrikaaners down the river you racist twat.

      Raymond - 2012-05-09 07:26

      I couldn't agree more Phillip.

      Martin - 2012-05-09 07:28

      Koos, rough name bro

      Marion - 2012-05-09 09:11

      Koos the troll is having a field day again. Laager mentality.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:42

      Don't worry they will get to you eventually.

  • rickvcooper - 2012-05-08 23:23

    Please, Afrikaaners, don't fall for this ANC crap. They are just trying to manipulate you by playing on your patriotism. They are not your friends.

      Xulu.Thulany.Xaba - 2012-05-09 00:22

      They are not your friends. What r they enemies?

      Musa - 2012-05-09 01:43

      ANC they want nothing from the racist like you ANC are governing this country

      Victor - 2012-05-09 05:42

      As expected there will be those who are negative in every positive move. Ur one of them.

      Koos - 2012-05-09 06:28

      Piet Retief springs to mind.

      Martin - 2012-05-09 07:27

      Rick, the anc is out of their minds if they think they gonna swing even 1 vote, it just wont happen, i think its just about trying to get e sliver of action from the anc toward improving whatever needs it

  • Bobby - 2012-05-08 23:30

    I'm not Afrikaans, my wife is a (brown) Afrikaans woman, most of our friends are (white)Afrikaans people, I therefore feel connected somehow and I would like to say that this is a good gesture from both sides. This was very necessary. Now the ANC could go further & have chats with other minorities feeling neglected: the Muslim minority (probably best separately Cape Malay and Indian/Pakistani origin) and Indian/Hindu culture origin-South Africans. After this, the ANC can feel again how it is to be the ruling party of a diverse rainbow nation made up of many minorities, to whom the gouvernment of the day has an obligation to make them feel at home too.

      Modimolle - 2012-05-08 23:41


      Xulu.Thulany.Xaba - 2012-05-09 00:25

      Spot on

      Fred - 2012-05-09 01:45

      The big problem is that we live in a country where 99.99% of people have this schoolboy mentality of \we won, you loose\ and \you this\ and \you that\. We don't need that. We need to acknowledge that this country belongs to all who chooses to live in it and that we need a workable relationship with each other in order to make it work for everyone.

  • Modimolle - 2012-05-08 23:34

    everybody is this boers are nothing special

      Fred - 2012-05-08 23:40

      What a dumb comment, but shame, you are giving it your best shot!

  • Arnu van der Merwe - 2012-05-09 00:13

    Thando, you are clearly racist!!! Hope you are asked to leave the country your forefathers once fought for and won in such a disrespectful and ugly manner!!! It's people with your attitude who should leave this country and back to Botswana, Zimbabwe or where ever else your forefathers come from!!!

      Thando - 2012-05-09 00:44

      Van der Merwe nd who r u 2 dictate my movements??...........i come frm continent.........ths is my land u refugee wannabe.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-09 01:11

      Thando, which continent do you come from? Where were you born and where we're your parents born? And where we're your grandparents born? Please tell me?

      Thando - 2012-05-09 01:20

      Africa.......bless bridges

      joseph.moabi - 2012-05-09 06:15

      u first. oops. forgot that u are not wanted in

      phillip.havenga - 2012-05-09 07:22

      Thando I suggest you heed my advice from my earlier post the more you comment the more dimwitted you appear.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:47

      Thando, don't pretend you are stupid. This is not your land and you know it. Go tell the Nigerian because you are from the continent his land is your land. He is going to kick your behind so hard, you'll be standing for a month.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-09 20:17

      Thando, please answer the rest of the questions. Or can't you?

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-05-09 01:09

    There is more than a feeling that leadership needs to shape up ... Currently it's a bit like a runaway train - a runaway gravy train, with nobody at the helm because they're all in the dining car - making pigs of themselves.

  • songezo.kilani - 2012-05-09 01:25

    I thnk ths is a gud move by the gorvenment, this will go a long way in uniting us a country. Addressing the needs of minority is a gud initiative (hopefuly da r no hiden agendas). Now fight coruption in ur cabinet, dnt give zuma da 2nd term and wl b fine.

      Thando - 2012-05-09 01:39

      Who do u want for second term bra?....y?

      Marion - 2012-05-09 07:53

      @songezo - Extending a hand to Afrikaners is a good thing. Jacob Zuma was the last in the queue of who I would have liked to be president of this country. I see you have singled out the cabinet to be investigated for corruption. Do you recall the Travelgate scandal? That didn't happen under Zuma's watch. I see corruption being exposed at every other level. Am I right in saying that since Zuma came into power corruption case after corruption case has been exposed? That exposure has happened under Zuma's watch. Did all the corrupt individuals who are now being exposed suddenly become corrupt after Zuma became president or were they corrupt long before that? Easy for us to blame Jacob Zuma for everything that is wrong in SA because we do not like him, or because we believe that he was corrupt before he became president, or because we disapprove of his lifestyle that costs the taxpayer so much, but the empty promises of service delivery etc., have been happening for 18 years already. We cannot, in all fairness, lay everything that is wrong in SA at JZ's door.

      songezo.kilani - 2012-05-09 12:02

      Yes curruption has been around for a while bt its gotten worse since he's become president, i agree that corruption has been exposed bt hw many hv faced prosecution? (charges are being dropped left ryt n center)

  • Musa - 2012-05-09 01:53

    There are very important S Africans than afrikaaners

      Gigo - 2012-05-09 03:52


      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:49

      Yep, like you and Sganja.

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-09 04:22

    Bee is hampering this countries grouth and sciels levels.

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 05:08

      Considering your spelling I can see what's hampering growth

      henk63 - 2012-05-09 06:40

      Ag Lerato I too sometime press keys and they don't register on this site. I have to proofread everything and then insert characters I missed. But yes his spelling could improve.

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-09 07:15

      Lerato it's not his spelling that hampers this country, we all know that, it's your lack of brain capacity

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-05-09 04:51

    No matter what anyone says anymore the whities are not wanted, that has been made very clear.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-05-09 05:42

    i swear, afrikaners in this forum don't know what they want. First they complained and whined about being marginalised. Then they complained about farm murders, perserverance of their language and good governance. But when they're engaged for their inputs they're suddenly running and suspicious. The anc is not campaigning for your votes. It doesn't need them. It can win without. But it was doing what you've always asked for; including the minority, hearing your side and still you're not satisfied.

      Victor - 2012-05-09 05:44


      Oom - 2012-05-09 05:52

      So you think the ANC has an honest agenda? Like they allways have? You must also believe in Father Chrismas, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. You policical naivity is astounding. Just because you speak English apparently make you clever, it is not YOUR language, institutions and culture that is under siege from a criminal government, it is ours. Funny how Stellenbosch, a traditional Afrikaans university has suddenly become a haven to Enlish students, must be the water they drink there, or maybe it is because of the influx of blact students to English universitities, actions speaks louder than words!

      Oom - 2012-05-09 05:56

      And next time you enjoy that lovely food on your table, remember where it comes from, maybe in twenty years time when all the farmers have fled from the platteland because of farm murders you will realise what sacrifices a certain population group has made.

      Victor - 2012-05-09 06:00

      @ Oom , beware of any racist mentality it can make u look very stupid. But in this forum you will get thumbs up for such comments.

      henk63 - 2012-05-09 06:45

      @mohau.moloto - Don't you think you asked a stupid question here? The NATS met with ALL the terrorist organizations, planned and discussed their own downfall and followed through right up to their own demise! They do not exist anymore by their own design. What more would you expect?

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-09 07:13

      I swear all your people hate whites but you can't help yourself wanting to be us,.....

      Althea - 2012-05-09 09:51

      @Pixie86- Of Course Afrikaners has the right to complain about all these things, Wie sal nie kla as jou family dood gemaak word nie, They have all the right to complain, and as I see it the same people who meets with them to hear their concerns are the very same ones who is the cause of their complains. Of course South Africa NEEDS the farmers, where will we get food from? What's wrong with everyone? We all need each other but yet...I just don't know anymore, forget about who was here first because The Khoisan might just win this battle and even they immigrated to South Africa but yet you don’t see them fighting on forums and rioting and burning their schools and loitering the very same streets that they are using… I give up Finish en Klaar!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:52

      Pixie, forty years of my life I gave to the struggle. There is no way I would vote for the ANC as it is today. Bring back what Luthuli etc, stood for and they can count on my vote. Until then they have a long road to travel.

  • Lazarus - 2012-05-09 05:53

    I am black and equally worried.The Zuma government is the worst corrupt in the history of democracy.People entrusted continue to steal as if it is a given.

      Marion - 2012-05-09 08:16

      @Lazarus - and they continue to be exposed. When their corruption started should be more pertinent than when it is exposed in my opinion. If it started while Zuma has been president, then blame him. If it started under previous presidents, then blame them.

  • Carry - 2012-05-09 06:00


  • Carry - 2012-05-09 06:07


      sharkboy90 - 2012-05-09 06:18

      Like your lyrics at the end (big thumbs up) but overall agree with you 100% and its a sad sight

  • jacob.mphatswe - 2012-05-09 06:10

    It is very interesting how the ANC sends a special senior delegate to meet the Afrikaner minority to assess how they feel about governance,but never does the same to find out from poor majority how the feel about their continued daily suffering.The wiseman calls it"Expediency" and it seeks to merely cause lack of trust and more harm.

  • Terence - 2012-05-09 06:16

    There's no point even having these meetings we all know the ANC is all about EMPTY PROMISES

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-09 06:28

    I'm sorry, the ANC already knows everything they are hearing in these meetings. It's impossible for them not to. This is just a politically motivated move to make afrikaners feel a bit better before elections. Obviously they are targetted due to the high number of afrikaans speaking coloured people. They also hope it might help divide the support base of the DA a bit, you can be sure they'll through in the odd comment to try to alienate afrikaners from english speakers too. Devious ANC as usual.

  • Thabo - 2012-05-09 06:42

    If indeed its a legit meeting, without ulterior motives as mentioned, with the understanding that a common ground will be established, Serious issues affecting minority groups will be addressed, I wish you all the best. Just bring to mind that other minority groups want to be heard as well.

      Piet - 2012-05-09 07:20

      Damn bt the ANC has brainwashed you okes....I cant believe.......D

      Marion - 2012-05-09 08:56

      @Piet - and some people just cannot admit that something has the potential to be a good move for the country without ulterior motives. Wonder who brainwashed you.

  • Mark - 2012-05-09 06:45

    its not just afrikaaners buddy

  • Letitia - 2012-05-09 06:48

    This is such a great country we have to fix these issues we have everything going for us no place like this in the world may god bless us all

      Alvin - 2012-05-09 08:37

      Agree wth u!

  • godesha - 2012-05-09 06:51

    @Thando. If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say it. Your so-called wit is really annoying. You are nothing but a troll. As for the rest of the article, all I want to say to the ANC is that action speaks louder than words. This I would like to believe is not only a wish from the Afrikaans speaking community, but 99% percent of all citizens feel the same. (The remaining 1% is Thando).

  • Louis - 2012-05-09 06:57

    Oh come people are going to think the ANC is trying to be honest about these issues. These issues are not new, they know about all these problems and they know why so many afrikaans-speaking citizens have left the country. The black community has also been up in arms about these issues with strikes, etc. The ANC should just bugger off, we won't be fooled. People shouldn't let their intelligence be mocked by these guys!

  • Amos Morwape - 2012-05-09 07:15

    Mr Mulder Afrikaaners will never vote for ANC nor any black political party

      melania.nel - 2012-05-09 07:44

      You are wrong. 20 years ago I would have voted for the anc. Now we have more choice and a nice mix of colours and cultures.

  • Hilda - 2012-05-09 07:16

    Put the word Afrikaans into the headline and the racist worms from all sides, come crawling

  • karl.vanrooyen - 2012-05-09 07:21

    why the sudden concern about minorities ? never were in the past .was it dingaan who told piet reteif to leave their rifles outside the kraal ?

  • Riaan - 2012-05-09 07:22

    This slippery snake called the ANC has blatantly ignored the rights of Afrikaners since 1994, why would this all of a sudden change? Be awake Afrikaners, don't be fooled by these nice words.

  • Mzamo - 2012-05-09 07:24

    I am really concerned that ANC meets and "listens to the concerns" of the minority and ignore the masses who voted them. The only time they will come to the masses again is the election time "bribing" us with food parcels and promise us jobs and free education so we can vote for them! Alternatively we have to toy-toy, burn property and block roads with tyres so we can get their attention!!! People, don't get me wrong, I am not by anyway implying they should not listen to Whites/ Afrikaners but I am only against their (ANC) approach, i.e. they make time to meet Afrikaners but they are always busy when they have to meet the masses who voted for them. This implies they value and listen the minority more than the masses who voted them.

      Alvin - 2012-05-09 08:13

      you ar definetly right Mzamo!!!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-09 09:06

      Mzamo, I thought on the same lines. Must say they maybe prefer to meet with the Afrikaners due to the less aggression, but If they had meetings with the masses before these masses had to resolved to action all of the parties would have now be around that table. The point stay that the ANC is too big, specially between the masses. Lets call it what it is. Between the masses black people. When calling for representative, in these masses, you will see it is the same than the elected ANC representatives and when daddy(ANC HQ) said we not going to hurt each other they have to listen. If not, the rest takes a mob representation stand. That cant work. In other words. The ANC/Government knows that when dealing with representatives he has them under control and when dealing with the mob group he just do promises. Thus, the ANC see most of his supporters as not so intelligent, but loyal. That is there reason for getting away with it. As long as the votes are reflecting it they will follow these procedures. The Afrikaner/Afrikaans and we can call most of them white and brown are using the courts. This process is time consuming and put them directly in a bad light and therefore it will be clever to meet these people to open channels and fore-come these actions. What is the solution? I wish I knew, but I believe that if we can get the masses black vote to start using their vote. Spread it more even. We than will have a government that will listen more as well as doing more.

      asivhanga - 2012-05-09 12:27

      I say Mzamo deserve a bells.

      asivhanga - 2012-05-09 12:28

      I say Mzamo deserve a bells.

      asivhanga - 2012-05-09 12:28

      I say Mzamo deserve a bells.

  • Victor - 2012-05-09 07:28

    Not just the afrikaaners, just about everyone in the country ! Wake up and smell the coffee !!!!!!

  • Daniel - 2012-05-09 07:30

    My opinion, I will vote for the party who can fight crime, fight corruption, who sypplys good security to all industries of the country, who treats all races and cultures and languages the same, who makes makes corrupt officials pay for their crimes, and who brings back the death penalty to protect the young and elderly from the oversypply of criminals on our streets! And I don't care if he is black, white, purple, green or pink, I will vote for that candidate, and so will many others!!!

      Marion - 2012-05-09 09:04

      Recently the 'death penalty' debate has re-surfaced in South Africa, due to an unacceptable increase in crime. African National Congress (ANC) president Jacob Zuma said in March 2008 that if enough people want the death penalty returned, South Africa should hold a referendum on the matter.

  • Thinus - 2012-05-09 07:31

    Shame on some of you commentators. See that rassist remarks is not colour bounded and it seems that the mayority of you are rasist. Its clear from the comments on this forum that solutions for problems will not be found easily. No wonder South Africa is in the state it is now. Everyone that is born in this country enjoy citizen and should be treated the same. Clearly see that a lack of education will cause the down fall of South Africa. Wonder to which countries will run who if South Africa is destroyed by greet and racism?

  • Thinus - 2012-05-09 07:32

    Shame on some of you commentators. See that rassist remarks is not colour bounded and it seems that the mayority of you are rasist. Its clear from the comments on this forum that solutions for problems will not be found easily. No wonder South Africa is in the state it is now. Everyone that is born in this country enjoy citizen and should be treated the same. Clearly see that a lack of education will cause the down fall of South Africa. Wonder to which countries will run who if South Africa is destroyed by greet and racism?

  • Phillip - 2012-05-09 07:36

    Eish... This afrikaans body is worried. Reading all the comments made me realize that this country is really filled with hatred, mistrust and mis information. If the ANC wants to talk to the Afrikaaners, it is their right and as Gov, their duty. It is a good thing to listen to what other people think and want, and more important, to hear their views. Unfortunately it does not mean that they will implement those views and requests, but it is a beginning. It amazes me that people still remember Piet Retief and think back fondly of those days, but forget that since 1949, people were blatently (and with the sanction of the church) removed from their properties, killed, treated like cattle and children... and then still have the audacity to say that they built this country on their own... It seems as if hatred and racism have become the national sport of SA.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-09 07:47

    We can build therapeutic relations with all minorities provided they don't feel alienated.\r\nThe Q How can we work together for mutual benefit. All Africans are Africans so they need to embrace humanity and do the honorable things

      Muisie - 2012-05-09 12:45

      Agree,..Afrikaners, should also be seen as a valuable human resource to make food etc. cheaper for everybody.Other countries see Afrikaners as proffesional food producers(Congo,Croatia,Zambia etc), why can't the ANC use this fact to build relations...

  • melania.nel - 2012-05-09 07:48

    Its a good thing. They should do this with all minority representatives. We have so much to learn and give to each other. I hate when the commenters bring race into this. I know a lot of afrikaners that aren't white. All you racists are idiots and not worth anything in this country. We need to strive to be better and give a better country to our children and their children.

  • Sello Jacky Majadibodu - 2012-05-09 08:21

    Well said Mzamo.

  • Hadebe - 2012-05-09 10:22

    So nw anc, to hell with the majority? u tired of them, okay u can have your minority, just please dont come knocking on my door with a parcel of those goodies u usualy give me just before elections, il make u swallow it, i swear.

  • Andricca - 2012-05-09 12:05

    I have never witness an annoying afrikaner conservative right wing like this Mulder thing. Even when the ANC government has reach out to his party by offering him a deputy ministerial position, he still can't cure his negative mouth diarrhea. Thats why we say ANC is selling out by pleasing these unreconciled Afrikaners. They need Mugabe-like attitude because they are hard to please indeed. We just can't nurse their fear forever

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:19

    Phosa, one day at the shoulder of Julius Malema, the other day at the shoulder of Zuma and now speaking to Afrikaners. Another wind blown individual, neither here nor there.

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