Presidential jet: DA challenges Sisulu

2012-07-03 14:33

Cape Town - Former defence minister Lindiwe Sisulu must produce proof that tender process to buy a new presidential jet was sound, the Democratic Alliance said on Tuesday.

"Sisulu should produce documentary evidence that the minister of finance, Pravin Gordhan, approved the deviation from normal competitive bidding processes," DA MP David Maynier said.

Sisulu on Monday said she was "absolutely convinced" that the department had followed correct procurement processes regarding the R2bn Boeing 777-200 Long Range business jet.

She said the defence department had taken advice from National Treasury as well as the accountant general on the potential purchase, which had been making headlines since the weekend.

A spokesperson for Sisulu, who is now minister of public service and administration, on Monday said she had called for the deal to be suspended to allow her successor at defence, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, to redefine the department's priorities.

Maynier also took issue with this step, calling it an attempt to distance herself from the matter.

"This sounds too much like a useful pretext to extricate herself from a dubious deal to purchase a new jet for President [Jacob] Zuma," he said.

Die Burger newspaper reported that Sisulu had planned to use a refund the government had secured on the cancelled purchase of eight A400M Airbus military transport planes to buy the new jet.

The daily said Sisulu wrote to Gordhan last month, asking to be exempted from the normal tender rules because buying a new plane for the president was a "matter of national security".

Maynier said if Sisulu produced documents to prove that Gordhan approved the deviation from the normal bidding process, he would withdraw his request that the public protector investigate the matter.

Both the DA and the Inkatha Freedom Party said it was unconscionable that the government would spend that much on a presidential jet when so many South Africans lived in poverty.

"This money could be better spent in trying to alleviate the many burning issues our country faces, such as our socio-economic challenges," the IFP's defence spokesperson Albert Mncwango said.

  • Ryno - 2012-07-03 14:36

    corrupt, corrupt, corrupt, corrupt, corrupt...

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-07-03 14:59

      If corruption was an illness the ANC would have long since died.

      smili.fication - 2012-07-03 15:09

      Poliodonkey... Shm... We are glad that you like paying for the Zuma's joy rides and hooker... but the rest of us don't have the money. Oh, I forgot, you earn a living going around the ANC! It's not even tax deductible.

      Revelgen - 2012-07-03 15:14

      Sisulu's 'absolutely convinced' statement simply means that the deal is definitely crooked. It's the ANC way - deny, deny, deny. And Polytroll - it's not about Black or White - it's about standards, results, honesty, integrity - all aspects where the ANC has conclusively proven to be an epic fail.

      matt.ratcliffe.796 - 2012-07-03 15:14

      @poloy, the ANC are not a government, they are a liberation movement. They are incapable of running a country. This has nothing to do with black and white. Stop trying to use the race card to cover up your incompetence.

      john.turner.58760608 - 2012-07-03 15:17

      Hey, poloyatonkim, do you know the aeroplane your beloved showerhead wants is a Boeing 777-200. This aircraft, if fitted out in only economy class, holds 400 people. It is not a little executive jet. I suppose JZ needs a plane this big for his expanding harem.

      altusvanzyl - 2012-07-03 15:34

      @poloyatonkim. ryno is black. Who told you he was white? Racist moron.

      cyberdog.breath - 2012-07-03 16:13

      @poloyatonkim: Yes, you are correct, I do hate the ANC, and yes, for the same reasons. Corruption, racism. And Yes, the ANC should stop the corruption, whether they hide behind it or not is irrelevant.

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-07-03 17:48

      Is that a wig or stress?

      Dee - 2012-07-03 20:30

      this Liberation Movement is liberating us from our money HEELLLLPPPPPP

  • smili.fication - 2012-07-03 14:47

    Corrupt ANC condom comraded. Pravin Gordhan has bent over for Zuma's spear. He is just as corrupt as the rest of them... so I would not trust his "tender" processes. We should not be buying plane, whether they are for the military or the fat man at the top. We should be lowering the taxes so we can all benefit.

      Walter - 2012-07-03 14:59

      I thought I read in the paper yesterday that the idea had been scrapped as government (Pravin Gordhan) has said it's unaffordable? I do think he has more ability than most.... other than Trevor Manual.

      alan.gernet - 2012-07-03 15:07

      Tosses the PoloTroll another Bag-of-chips to carry on his shoulder whilst trolling forth in his delusional state.

      Ze Don - 2012-07-03 15:09

      @poloya, just think if start working and stop waiting for handouts you too can have a good job, house and car... TROLL!

      smili.fication - 2012-07-03 15:13

      Poliodonkey - You are still excluded whilst moaning from a cell at sterkfontien. Walter- You should of heard this idiot on a al jazeera news clip... Journalist/Host: You are optimistic about 5 million jobs that you would need to meet Zumm's expectations... Pravin: We just came out of apartheid, we have to be optimistic. He is just another ANC condom comrade.

      poloyatonkim - 2012-07-03 15:56

      Smilification@ZUMA'SPEAR.COM .... Your comments are pathetic grow up...

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-07-03 16:08

      @ Polo Do you really defend a purchase of a R2bn jet when there are other issues like pverty, housing, education, health etc to be dealt with. The Prime Minister of England can fly the national carrier, so why cant our President. Your comments are pathetic, to keep harping on about Apartheid... look at today and beyond, and tell me you want to live under a corrupt regime. What happened in the past cant be changed, but the future can and I don't think those that gave their lives to rid this country of an evil system would have done so , if they had known what the ANC would look like in 2012. You are a shame to those that gave their lives for you and the rest of us. They died for a better place not to have it replaced with an equally evil one . Shame on you !

      smili.fication - 2012-07-03 16:15

      Poliodonkey...What is really pathetic is you comming onto this forum, screaming how Malema and the ANC is your savior from all your sad problems. What is pathetic is the fact that you are still screaming apartheid like some bloody drunk whore. YOU ARE PATHETIC! I DONT GIVE TWO $HIT$ THAT YOU ARE BLACK! OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS INSECURE ABOUT YOUR SKIN COLOR!

      Dee - 2012-07-03 20:41

      @ Polo. you sound like a black who cares more about well-off blacks than the poor who being well and truly raped by this no-good rubbish running the country to the dogs. all they do well is win the elections and steal. the poor suffer the most under their rule.

  • andrew.arde - 2012-07-03 14:49

    Being a matter of national security may be correct, but it still aint right to buy a R2bn jet when there are more pressing issues that need the guv's attention!

      Dee - 2012-07-03 20:42

      he cant pay that much attention

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-03 14:50

    "A matter of national security"!? Ha! Ha! Corruption! Abuse of office! Miss-management! anc fat-catting again! Vote DA!

  • Kyle - 2012-07-03 14:52

    Our president wants to ride Boeing? Perhaps its time he took a SA Roadlink bus over Easter.

  • whyeti - 2012-07-03 14:54

    Never mind if the correct procedure was followed. The country needs to pay for housing not purchase a new Presidental jet to enhance the ego of JZ and KM.

  • Bush - 2012-07-03 14:56

    Just remember, it is not as if JZ does not already have a VIP aircraft. He has, in fact, four: two Falcon 50s, one Falcon 900 and a hardly-used Boeing 737. What more does he want???!!!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-07-03 16:04

      More more more.....I wuuuunt it allll.

  • kmaruma - 2012-07-03 14:59

    Wish it explodes in the middle of the ocean

      angel.moonsamy - 2012-07-03 15:08

      Hell No Why do u want to pollute our ocean life ?

      Nicolaas - 2012-07-03 21:38

      @KMARUMA, So that he can spear the fishes! God please no!!! Even the fish do not want their gene pool to be poluted by this idiot!

  • sbu.mahwai - 2012-07-03 15:02

    If its a matter of national security then our own AH-2 Rooivalk will do

  • angela.salloway - 2012-07-03 15:05

    Why do we need a new presidential jet,costing R2billion, when we have homeless and starving people in our country. Our defence budget is also much too high for a country without enimies. Some of it should be put into the police service to help fight crime and corruption.

      angel.moonsamy - 2012-07-03 15:17

      I tink that our "Spear" wants to join the Miles High Club : Lol

      fussed.anderson - 2012-07-03 15:23

      So he can take the homeless for another ride

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-07-03 16:05

      We don't need it - he wants it.

  • lawson.lutchman - 2012-07-03 15:07

    Sad, sad, really sad. How many RDP houses, public works programs, schools, hospitals or ARV's can we have gotten with the money?

      raol.luyt - 2012-07-03 15:16

      Well said. We want to redistribute wealth or is that just whties income,time to stop talking trash and rouse the people to reclaim their freedom from those who have truly stolen it - The ANC

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-03 16:58

      they wont get and are getting nothing from me, i share with blokes i like, not with criminals,

      Dee - 2012-07-03 20:48

      with all the money they've stolen, squandered etc, they could have housed all there voters. how sick and perverted is that??

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-07-03 15:08

    A matter of national security would be to see to the poor, uneducated, homeless voters and end the corruption within the government and tackle the out of control crime in SA.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-07-03 15:08

    I don’t really understand what DA is against now, is it they are against the procurement procedures, the purchase of the jet itself or what. Now that the deal has been suspended they are also against that, don’t just oppose for the sake of it. I’m happy that the deal has been suspended as it is only proper to know that a proper feasibility was done before the decision to purchase the jet was taken.

      Ze Don - 2012-07-03 15:29

      They're against wasting 2 bil, they're against the fact that normal tender process were ignored and they're against the minister trying too sidestep her responsibility in the matter. Any more questions?

      duma.nkabinde - 2012-07-03 15:31

      100% true

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-07-03 15:52

      @Ze Don   Sisulu called for the deal to be suspended to allow her successor at defence, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, to redefine the department's priorities. So what do you mean by that she is side stepping her responsibility? Defence is no longer under her portfolio and its only proper to give the incoming minister time to make her own decision.

      amani.marapyane - 2012-07-03 18:17

      with ur million questions, ask urself when did she really suspend de deal? afta what happnd? den tel us if she stil a saint

  • indianajohn - 2012-07-03 15:09

    The money "saved" from the A400M order doesn't exist. SA was to be a launch customer and loads of money was lost with the cancellation. All the deposit money from that order is gone forever. Now they want us to believe that the money "saved" from this embarassing cancellation can be used to buy an absolutely massive jet for the least deserving person in SA. You know what I think? He can bloody fly SAA until the deposit from the A400Ms is made up before even THINKING of his own damn plane, never mind one of the biggest planes in the world. By the way, do the kids have text books yet?

  • Clive - 2012-07-03 15:09

    C'mon mr Gordham, this is your chance to be honest to the taxpayers !

      fussed.anderson - 2012-07-03 15:27

      Come on Clive, He started lying about the toll roads remember now he wants us to be honest on our returns. Not bladdy interested

  • Gus - 2012-07-03 15:14

    Looks like the Air Force budget is solely for J Zuma's use.

      gert.grobler.94 - 2012-07-04 07:19

      Maybe zumas wives are each pushing for a private jet--they want to be vip and they are actually behind all this??

  • Joao - 2012-07-03 15:17

    Be as honest on your tax returns as your goverment is too you...they are failing the country every single day, self serving disgraceful behaviour. So much hope and so much expectation for the future, only to be trampled by selfish lazy narrow minded fools.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-07-03 15:17

    Typical of the ANC and how to waste billions on themselves. Stuff the poor ppl starving and living poorly. They worry more about there luxurious life style. U ANC voters need to catch a wake up now. Your ANC government does not care about except for when it comes to wanting your votes. Then once they in power they go back to wasting money and buying a plane our president does not need. Its obvious our president is to scared to fly SAA.

  • carolyn.myburgh - 2012-07-03 15:18

    I need a new jet my god man that money could have sorted out a lot of issues in this country. Are you all insane??

  • James - 2012-07-03 15:23

    Nice piece of bling largesse, JZ. Should wind Cosatu up. SARS will provide. Just what is needed to keep you motivated into doing a great job for all us ungrateful citizens.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-03 15:25

    How does her mind work? A new plane for the president a matter of "National Security". WTF !? Even if all the people had jobs, were all well fed, well educated, safe in their homes and the President wanted a new overkill luxury aircraft, there are still procedures to be followed. It is just plain wrong on so many levels. ANC arrogance. Eat cake, you peasants !

  • pieriewaaier.zooms - 2012-07-03 15:31

    And so much for national security! We all know about it! We even know about Mdluli and Mthethwa and the secret state security slush fund! Etc etc. So, get one thing straight ANC: We will find out& we will get the facts and you won't get away. POSIB se m**r! And that goes for Zuma & his lackey Pravin the twit as well!

      Clive - 2012-07-03 15:36

      Shall we now refer to them as the slush puppies ?

  • NePhTron - 2012-07-03 15:46

    It would not just cost R 2 billion as no projected costs have been included such as security detail when Mr President Zuma lands at Cape Town international as Ysterplaat Airforce Base landing strip would be to small to accommodate the Boeing 777. Cost to ACSA (Airports Company South Africa), maintenance, Training, Insurance etc. would surely inflate the burden on the tax coffers. Should Mr President Zuma and any future presidents utilize SAA as it is a parastatal asset would surely assist with their income statement. There really is no benefit us the constituents see from this.

  • rui.d.barros.7 - 2012-07-03 15:54

    Just a thought - how have the presidents been traveling the past 18 years? Why need a 2 Billion Rand plane now????????

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-07-03 16:17

      there is already three jets, just one more and it will be equal 1 per wife. Do your maths man, we are being screwed!

  • Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-07-03 16:16

    David, I understand we have different tastes. She is a very attract

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-07-03 16:37

    Why does the dumb sh*t Zoomer need another the fothermucker a DONKEY!! That as far as I am concerned is all he qualifies for!!

      Nicolaas - 2012-07-03 21:50

      @Gerald, please, the donkey is a blessed animal because Jesus ride on it. Please do not lower this blessed animal to the level of Bloomer! He can buy himself a walking stick if he wants to get anywhere quickly!

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