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Protest over reported Kleinfontein racism

2013-05-22 20:47

Johannesburg - The reported racial exclusion policies of Kleinfontien farm settlement, near Pretoria, will be the target of a Democratic Alliance Youth protest on Thursday.

The settlement, which reportedly only accepts "white, Afrikaans Protestants who abide by the Blood River Covenant" as residents or workers, had no place in a democratic South Africa, DA Youth leader Mbali Ntuli said on Wednesday.

"We cannot allow racial nationalists on the extreme fringes of South African politics to try and bring apartheid back."

The protest aimed to liberate Kleinfontein residents from their "apartheid mindsets".

"While others divide, we will unite," Ntuli said.

"Tomorrow we will show South Africa what a reconciled and prosperous nation looks like."

Details of the planned protest would be released later.

Earlier, government expressed dismay that there were still citizens who did not want to integrate into a democratic South Africa.

"This disintegration is extremely disappointing, as it perpetuates the ills of the apartheid era," acting government spokesperson Phumla Williams said.

"Such acts were the main causes of a divided South Africa," she said.

She was reacting to a report in The Times that residents of Kleinfontein settlement had vowed that only Afrikaners would be allowed to live there.

Reality

According to the newspaper, all the settlement's residents, from the security guards at the gate to the gardeners, were Afrikaans.

Williams said all South Africans were governed by the Constitution, which catered for people of all races and religions.

She said Kleinfontein residents benefited from government services.

"We strongly discourage them from lobbying for the town to be declared independent from the Tshwane municipality, as this will be contrary to the Constitution of this country."

The Times reported that Kleinfontein's controlling body chairperson Jan Groenewald said it would lobby the Tshwane municipality for the settlement to be declared independent.

"Eventually, the African National Congress government will have to approve what we are doing here," he was quoted as saying.

Groenewald told the newspaper a resident had to be "an Afrikaner with Voortrekker heritage, a Protestant Christian, and abide by the Blood River covenant".

"We do not think in terms of race, we think in terms of culture... [but] you cannot ignore the fact that we have different races. That is the reality," he reportedly said.

Residents included the leaders of several rightwing groups, but the community's directors kept them in line, he said.

"We do not fly the South African flag because [South Africa] is a unitary state - the reason we find ourselves in this situation."

Comments
  • HASANIMA - 2013-05-22 20:52

    For a change the DA can see racism through the Black mirror

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 21:10

      hector, apartheid created those kinds of surburbs. there were blacks only townships and whites only suburbs. indians only suburbs and so forth.

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 21:11

      when black people move to white suburbs, the whites normally move away. black people have no problem living with whites, its the white who seem to have issues.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:19

      I dont agree with kleinfontein, but what is the difference between them and their neighbor Mamelodi? If a white person move into mamelodi he will be killed before the end of the day. Mamelodi is for blacks only, they just don't advertise it.

      Marius Fourie - 2013-05-22 21:23

      Zeepolar half of what you say is true except that whites don't move away when blacks move in. My neighbour is a black female doctor. Best neighbor I ever had. My other neighbor is white and I would love to klap him with a baseball bat. The majority will have a problem with a neighbours that is noisy and inconsiderate and do not keep to the bylaws of the municipality

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:44

      @Thusi why get so angry? I am a coward- why? PLEASE you know you are lying! Have you been to Mamelodi. A white person wont last one hour in the dark their.

      trev2 - 2013-05-22 22:06

      I am sure these people will be welcomed with open arms in Orania. I suggest they move there.

      Mfaniseni Thusi - 2013-05-22 22:08

      @Ritz40 - His wife is from Mamelodi and he is a teacher. Relaxe this is a true story. His name is Trosten... Some people are not paranoid because of their colour. Grow up.

      lacrimosewolf - 2013-05-22 22:14

      Does it really matter? There will always be a group of people who want to live their lives the way they want to. It might be archaic, it might make no sense in 2013 - to us. To them it's important so let them get on with it. Where's the damage? Is it less or more of an issue than retaining tribal beliefs? For which we have (and fund) a House of Traditional Leaders and which beliefs are nearly always diametrically opposed to our Constitution, yet are still tolerated under this magical House.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 22:14

      @Moleu why am I a coward again? Do you know the meaning of coward? Anyway I was talking about Mamelodi. Show me one white person that stays in Mamelodi and I will show you a black Afriform member. @Thusi stop making up lies! You know Mamelodi is for blacks only, and you prefer it that way.

      JD Weilbach - 2013-05-22 22:19

      As long as the ANC has AA, BEE, EE and alike, Apartheid will be alive and well, in SA...

      Takudzwa Mugwangi - 2013-05-22 22:26

      Lets not pretend these people did not see this coming. What do you expect if you start settlements like these in Africa of all places, worse still SA.They have at least 41 million people who hate them. This is one of the saddest case of denial.

      MastersVoice - 2013-05-22 22:36

      HASANIMA - the DA are wrong on this one, as are you. The rules of association do not make them racist. The exclusion of other races and cultures from their farm does not make it a threat to other races and cultures. If their settlement succeeds, and they manage to sustain themselves or even improve themselves, without interfering in anyone else's ability to do so, then so be it. We are a tolerant, accepting and free-thinking society, are we not? Haven't we been liberated from Apartheid, minority rule and racism? What are you so afraid of?

      Phillip J Fry - 2013-05-23 07:45

      I was denied to go and live in a zulu settlement. Not because I can't speak zulu but because I'm white. So there's more to be done to unite people

      Morton Christie - 2013-05-23 08:43

      Zeepolar, in every major city in the world you will find a Chinatown or an Irish, Italian or a whatever suburb. live with it! and as for whites having a problem with mixed neighbourhoods! will we dont to be honest, we only have a problem when people start keeping and slaughtering farm animals in a block of flats or collecting chickens and scrap cars or hanging the washing on the fences or when 20 people are packed into a one bedroom flat! then we have issues and when we complain about it you call us racist! if you want to live in town then you must must live by the rules of urban dwelling. end of.

      MysticBoer - 2013-05-23 09:25

      Ag people don’t be so damn serious about things like this! See this as a typical South African cultural idiosyncrasy, the stuff that makes us who we are. I remember as a child my father took us to see a traditional Zulu village or kraal. It wasn’t a tourist destination as such, the inhabitants just preferred to live that way. Everybody there, as you might guess, were black and went about their lives doing the traditional things traditional Zulus do. Nobody complained, nobody thought it strange or insulting… Now imagine the surprise (shock really) on the poor American tourist lady’s face if she was to see ME sitting there in the sun in my khaki shorts reading the Landbou Weekblad and blissfully puffing away at my Springbok tobacco in my pipe? Live and let live-

      Marev Audioslave - 2013-05-23 09:32

      Viva DA viva!!!!!

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-23 09:38

      @ OOM: and there's one simple reason that the area then turns to sh*t with property value, In a nutshell,cultral differences people. And i've seen it happen. But i've also had the pleasure of seeing mixed cultrues all living in one area as happy as happy could be. I prefer those areas...where people are colour-blind and open minded.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-23 09:49

      Maybe they see racism throigh the anc's glasses, but it places them in the "stupid category", seeing they, like Williams and most of the anc and its supporters do not know or understand the basics of the Constitution.

      Joe James - 2013-05-23 10:31

      Do't see why everybody is getting worked up. This is probably the Sanddrift/Postal Clerk/Trailer Park/Coronation Park kind of white people, the type who need their five minutes under the spotlight of victimhood and want to blame everybody else for what they ended up as in life. Other white people wanting good safety quietly move into gated communities and Clifton Beach etc. The white community also has its undesirable elements. These are just nobodys who are best left alone. They are not the kind of white people who you can mention in the same breath as Chris Barnard, Luigi Galvani, Daimler, Ernest Rutherford and of course Richard Gere. Guys, there is a kind of white people you wouldn't even want to be in the same room with and the ones mentioned above are an example. This is more sad than anything as these people have decided confining themselves to corner is a solution while most of the worlds successful people ar going international.

      Andre Jacobs - 2013-05-23 10:55

      @zeepolar --if you didn't have apartheid in SA then you wouldn't have had white, black, Indian white suburbs--they would all have been ---black--either because whites and Indians wouldn't have bothered to stay in SA or they would have been wiped out or the country didn't present enough economic stimulus. They would have as a majority, pushed out other as they are doing now. THEY HAVE THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY now to show all how a country should be run as a non racist democratic country. Is it happening ___NO__The national anthem should have been the Beatles's song --LET IT BEE---

      Heibrin Venter - 2013-05-23 12:55

      Tell me, what is the difference between these people wanting to live their own culture, and say the Mormons in the US? Provided they don't harm anyone, why not let them live as they want. Otherwise put: can a non-Zulu attend say the Reed Dance? I think not. Therefore it is racist. Stupid argument, hey?

      Rainbow Nation - 2013-05-23 13:42

      I as a white english person will never accepted in orania. How does this make them racist.

      Eddie Rocher - 2013-05-23 13:55

      Right over the world different cultures and Language live in the same suburbs. If you look at the US, Italians, Jewish, Chinese Indian all live a suburbs with their own culture,so in the UK. What make South Africa's so different, if the Afrikaans people want to live on their own let them be. Why is everything in South Africa a racial thing

      Sipho Mathabula - 2013-05-23 20:00

      The DA's policies on BEE and AA are the same as the ANC Zille was an ANC member so why does it surprise you, they are just another racist party will a truly non racial party please step forward, Okay so there is no one in order to get cotes you either have to be pro white or pro black I give up will we ever live together in Peace.

      Themba Mazibuko - 2013-05-24 07:20

      Has anybody been to Cyrildene (Little China) lately ?- Every Shop , stall , house , is chinese , Only chinese writing on shop fronts , chinese Gates to enter the suburb etc - For all intensive purposes you could be in China . I love it ! Traditional chinese restaurants , herbal practitioners , markets etc without leaving Joburg. Is this also racist ?

      ed.gutsche - 2013-05-24 10:07

      personally i think its a joke. BUT, if they want to live like that, they have every right to...as long as they are not going out beating people, harming the environment or CONSCIOUSLY trying to negatively affect others, then let them be. from what i know, not many white guys can live near Nkandla either or get to live and work at any of JZ's spots. If someone is not harmong someone else, leave them to live in peace, even if they are a bunch of koeksister eating, rugby supporting, braai loving folk...hang-on, wait, thats all of us???

      ed.gutsche - 2013-05-24 10:08

      very good election ploy by the DA to get more Black voters.

      Louise Cook - 2013-05-27 05:26

      Rits40: WOW, shows just how ignorant you are. Beyers Naude and his family lived in Mamelodi for years - I don't recall anyone got killed. Or even harrassed for that matter. Your ignorance is sooo IRRITATING! I know you won't but I wish you would just LEAVE SA so the rest of us can get on with our lives in harmony.

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-05-22 21:00

    Its simple, cut off their electricity and water. Give them a week and watch them come crying to government like little screaming babies begging for those essential services back. And government should refuse unless they change their racist ways.

      Garth Bellingan - 2013-05-22 21:07

      Bet they wont, rather they will work and make it a working prosperous environment, which your Government cannot do, rather more likely the likes of your brethren will queue up to work and get hand outs at the gates. By the way what essential services do you refer to?, the crumbling Electricity and Municipal jokes!!.

      Logic - 2013-05-22 21:08

      that is an abuse of human rights

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 21:11

      lol, garth...riiight!! hahahaha.

      Mnyama White - 2013-05-22 21:15

      Then the government can also not tax them. Hmmm.. Previous time someone tried the same thing some of these blimey racists started extracting fuel from coal and also building their own weapons so good that they became a serious player in the world market.

      Hendrik de Villiers - 2013-05-22 21:22

      They are not you!

      Philip Johnson - 2013-05-22 21:55

      Private land, private choice. The government has no right to dictate who can or can't go onto this land. Cut off their power & water, but I bet they will maak n' plan. Thats what Boerer do!

      jacobus.m.vantonder - 2013-05-22 21:59

      BBEED... these people had been living like this for some time now, and never bothered any one, why now suddenly all the noise..

      Liz Rudy - 2013-05-23 08:44

      Go read the article again so that you can educate yourself with the facts. They are on private property, nowhere in the article does it state that they are not paying for services, or that they owe municipal fees. I bet if you gave them a year they would still not coming running back to Government.

      Leatitia Ferreira - 2013-05-23 11:00

      At least they pay their rates and taxes, not like other paying citizens that has to support those that don't. Leave them alone, did they kill anyone, no! Did they enter someone else home and rob them blind, no! Do they hold any threat to anyone? NO, so just let them live the way they want to. Does the government count in any other settlements the race ratio? No...for gooness sake people. There are crime, toll gates, and real criminals to fight!

      Charlie Massy - 2013-05-23 11:11

      Actually they will most likely simply become completely independent from government, generate their own electricity and create their own water capture facility / water source... - Mormons can do this quite happily in the US.... I can't see how what is essentially a cult group is worthy of all this attention...

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-23 22:27

      Oh please do, so that we can provide even further for ourselves. Do you really think we cannot think of or provide infrastructure for ourselves?

      Jess Jayden Smit - 2013-05-24 10:44

      troll alert!!!!

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-05-22 21:01

    There is no place in democratic South Africa for small minded racists like these. They should all move to Australia. We will be better off without these people.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:07

      Your name suggest that you are a small minded (reverse) racist yourself.

      Mathata Fela - 2013-05-22 21:17

      @Black parasite, if you see nothing wrong with BEE, the black lawyers association, black association of property owners and a long list of only black this and only black that, how can you be so hypocritical to call these people that wants to do something white only, racists? Don't be a stupid black person you make all of us black people look stupid.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:22

      Well said Mathata

      Hendrik de Villiers - 2013-05-22 21:24

      So, when are you moving? Not to Oz, but to the DRC, or Nigeria, or Kenia, or wherever in Africa - try uncle Bob's Hell in Africa.

      Hendrik de Villiers - 2013-05-22 21:25

      Mathata, I like you!

      Skhumbuzo Khumalo - 2013-05-22 21:55

      @Mathatha im sure if a white or chinese or wateva tried to join those so called black associations they will nt be denied membership based on skin colour. I dare any white person who meets the requirements to go apply for membership instead of squealung on these forums crying wolf. Are u black @Mathatha? I doubt. also back to article, if those ppl decide to live amongst themselves and exclude other ppl its their right. Its pvt property. Besides im black and wud never want to live there. Id rather live in Mamelodi. Their backward views are theirs alone, so i dont knw why this is even news.

      Mathata Fela - 2013-05-22 22:31

      Skhumbuzo, with regards to the first part of your post, you are wrong brother they are discriminated against based on their skin colour and that is why I think it is wrong and hypocritical to cry wolf over this non-event. With regards to the second part of your comment, I totally feel you on that one, it is backwards thinking to exclude yourself from the mainstream but it is still their constitutional right.

      Jess Jayden Smit - 2013-05-24 10:46

      black BEE= Troll instigator. Just a white dude claiming to be black to fuel the fire on N24

  • Mfaniseni Thusi - 2013-05-22 21:01

    DA - Ntuli said "Tomorrow we will show South Africa what a reconciled and prosperous nation looks like" DREAMER keep on dreaming girl start here on News24

  • Kosie Nel - 2013-05-22 21:01

    Remember to visit the Black Lawyers Association and Black Accountants Association as well! No Whiteys allowed!

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 21:12

      those are organizations. whites have their own organizations too.

      Papapipo Mzapi - 2013-05-22 21:25

      nel have you ever tried joining them or you are just assuming

      Sipho Mathabula - 2013-05-22 21:31

      @bipolar name one white's only organisation.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:34

      Mzapi The name of the organization suggest that whites are not allowed, Zeepolar name a few please.

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 21:52

      afriforum...AWB... just coz they don't call it "white .... organization" doesnt mean it aint whites only. come on now.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:59

      Thats true Zeepolar. So you agree then that blacks are allowed to have "blacks only" and whites "whites only"?

      Marius Fourie - 2013-05-22 22:00

      Zeepolar remember your thumb is not a source of information. You say afri don't alow black. Pls read the following. Why I joined AfriForum Rabelani Dagada 05 February 2013 Rabelani Dagada says the organisation provides a platform for those who wish to fight against new forms of racism

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 22:09

      marius, and there's white people in the BMF. so what's ur issue? UCT BMF society's poster had a white person on it.

      Marius Fourie - 2013-05-22 22:16

      Zeepolar I am merely proving that there is blacks in afri. I have no problem with black and white mixing. As matter of fact I am so for it. Read my first comment where I said I half agree on you one comment. But don't post false comments.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 22:16

      Zeepolar you didn't answer.

      Motlalepula Matshwe - 2013-05-23 17:45

      rabelani dagadi is a made up name just so afri racist forum can claim to have 1black member.....propaganda

      Marius Fourie - 2013-05-23 18:04

      Yes and Motlalepula Matshwe is a made up name so that you can be counted with other intelligent human being which you are clearly not. Pls read the following Rabelani Dagada was born in Alexandra Township, Johannesburg, South Africa on 23 July 1971, but spent most of his childhood and youth in Limpopo, formerly Venda.[3] Dagada holds a Masters of Education in Computer-based Education and a Masters of Commerce in Information Systems from the Randse Afrikaanse Universiteit and the University of Witwatersrand respectively. Dagada completed a short course at the University of London: Institute of Education, and he is currently completing a PhD in Information Systems at the University of South Africa.

  • Joe Johnson - 2013-05-22 21:02

    bunch of retrogressive minds

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-05-22 21:03

    And watch the comments sympathizing for these people come flowing onto this page. The same people who will sympathize with these people will whole heartedly condemn black people if they say something racist. Bloody Hypocrites!

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:11

      We actually condemn all racist comments, coming from black or white. The more comments you make the more racist you sound. Who's the hypocrite here?

      Sipho Mathabula - 2013-05-22 21:14

      Black Diamond, The Constitution says we have right of freedom of association they do not allow English whites in so how can that be racist, to be one race and despise that race is not racist, to despise other races could be rascist and you fully flaunt your BEE status, now that BEE eish she is rascist. So sit down mafuta and didimala wena.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:23

      Thumbs up Sipho!!

      Mfaniseni Thusi - 2013-05-22 22:23

      @Ritz40 - you are so easily misled, Sipho is not black, there is no African surname Mathabula we know Mathebula ask your buddy to correct it.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 22:34

      @Thusi my thumbs up is for the comment, not for the skin color of the one commenting. You are a true racist.

      Mfaniseni Thusi - 2013-05-22 22:55

      @Ritz40 - was trained by your regime.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-23 05:51

      You are well trained Thusi. How is that working out for you? You must remember "my regime" as you call it trained whites to be racist, black racism was a byproduct.

  • Sarel van Deventer - 2013-05-22 21:04

    Leave them be. They are hurting no one. Its cultural, not all whites can even go there. Thats now the da's way of winning black votes, rather focus on service delivery and anti corruption protests

  • Zee Madlala - 2013-05-22 21:07

    I wonder if some of the racist News24 peepz (who normally claim to be DA supporters) who supported this "Afrikaaners only settlement" in the other article will join the DA Youth's march.....hehehehe. ya'll are in a sticky situation.Your beloved DA doesn't support this it appears. They must bring this protest to Cape Town so I can join in. Down with racism! Down with stupidity!

      Sehlaremang Tladi - 2013-05-22 21:33

      so true, they must have started in cape town, where they rule! before they look far away

      Zeepolar - 2013-05-22 21:54

      lmao!! oom. oh wow, i'm waiting for handouts?? hahaha. hahahahaha. ROTFLMAO!!!!

      Marev Audioslave - 2013-05-23 09:46

      Viva DA viva.

      Takie Van der Proes - 2013-05-23 12:02

      @ Oom, If the youth do not take part in this world which you old people (assuming you are) are shaping for them (chances they will remain behind long after Afrikaner worms have decomposed you ), how is that suppose o be helping anyone. I am personally against all those old bitter people standing here in the name of preserving their culture by planting a seed of hatred and segregation.

      Annelene Meterki Minnie - 2013-05-24 18:48

      or they could've voted for FF+... I really don't understand this whole whites vote for DA, blacks vote for ANC theory... DA wants more black voters ANC wants more white voters So in retrospect, none of them are exclusive "white only" or "black only" parties...Some whites vote for smaller parties like FF+ and some blacks vote for smaller parties like Agang. freedom of choice. I don't see the ANC going to black communities and demand the people of those communities to mix with whites.

  • Joel Mingas Mathope - 2013-05-22 21:07

    What are we really doing to this beautiful country.

  • Jacques Loots - 2013-05-22 21:12

    I don't see a problem here let the racist segregate themselves, one less problem really.

  • Ricky Singh - 2013-05-22 21:12

    Fantastic DA and at least now we can stop blowing that proverbial trumpet about the ruling party.Racism is a South African problem so we can't be picky about our battles.All of us as a nation needs to stand together and boot "it" into an oblivion.Its a Bishop Tutu chant and A Mandela dream,lets all do our part.

  • Hendrik de Villiers - 2013-05-22 21:21

    Start with your protests at the Black Layers association and everything else that is exclusively for Blacks, only!

      Joe James - 2013-05-23 12:55

      Hendrik, 400 years after some white guy JvR landed on the Cape Shores and outwitted everybody, Some 50 plus years after some white guys Yuri and Armstrong did the Space/moon thing, you guys are still fighting the natives? Bet you look like a midget next to your cousins who sent some pieces of metal to Mars.

  • Refiloe Thelma Shikwambana - 2013-05-22 21:21

    Yo!

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:25

      Yo Yo!

  • Phany Ramatswi - 2013-05-22 21:26

    trying to buy African vote

  • Dorino Kalamaras - 2013-05-22 21:26

    I am a South African from Greek parents. Does it make me a racist because I prefer to hold on to the Greek culture ? Am I wrong that I prefer to have a Greek partner ?? I think not. Clearly, we have the right to choose our own friends, language choice, and religion. These people are not hurting anyone, but choose a life of wanting to protect their cultural heritage and language.. It is strange how fingers are pointed when we are not happy with someone, but yet, we forget that we do have a choice as well...

      Papapipo Mzapi - 2013-05-22 21:39

      culture isnt the issue here the fact is these people practise segregration which is unconstitutional and if in greece they do allowed people to'create their own country within the greece thats fine but not here in s.a

      John Corner - 2013-05-23 10:23

      Dorino did you read the article?

      Hannes En Brianda Barnard - 2013-05-24 04:34

      The principle is freedom of association on cultural grounds. People like Papapipo and John Corner get confused as South Africans often equate culture with race. They see cultural criteria as a smoke screen for racial seggregation. South Africa is a cultural rich society and should celebrate their cultural heritage - all of them, but as soon as Afrikaners talk about culture they suddenly become racist. There is an obsession with racist and they find it even if it is not there to be found.

  • Siyanda Kobo - 2013-05-22 21:28

    I believe the first intergration needs to start from the government. If we had a "rainbow" government people of all races wouldn't see the need to have these racial organisations. Even less people would follow people who come with the ideas of grouping them. I think it is justifiable if they do this because they think the government does not satisfy them.

      Dorino Kalamaras - 2013-05-22 21:34

      You make sense Siyanda. I fully agree with you.

      Sehlaremang Tladi - 2013-05-22 21:51

      what you are saying is so stupid! people vote who they want in power, that's where the logic is, majority rule! and why can not they allow non Afrikaaner to live there? its against the constitution and this must be brought to an end!

      Heinrich Nel - 2013-05-23 08:34

      The fact remains Tladi, it's PRIVATE PROPERTY, can you grasp this concept? In the same way in which your house lot is private property, so is Kleinfontein, its a farm (a farm the government has not yet confiscated and dismantled) would you allow a white family to come and build a house on your lot next to your house? Or any family for that matter? whys is BEE not unconstitutional? It says 'Black' in the bloody name, which means its only for blacks! can't you understand this? Furthermore, freedom of association, does it mean nothing to you? Why are certain cultures in SA not allowed to have something to call their own while other cultures expect to get free handouts just because of their physical appearance?. . .But honestly I don't expect you to understand, I can see the cANCerous government has already corrupted your mind in the same way they are corrupting the country

      Annelene Meterki Minnie - 2013-05-24 18:56

      to make it understandable....say kleinfontein likes koeksisters and the rest of sa likes mieliepap....are you seriously going to force a spoon of mieliepap down their throats to make them less like themselves and more like everybody else?that is why they are doing their own thing, because they like koeksisters, it's their herritage and they would like to keep that herritage alive instead of choking on mieliepap that they don't prefer?

  • Jacques Loots - 2013-05-22 21:29

    SA was exclusively white for many years, we have to except that if our society was racially integrated from the start most of these problems wouldn't exist today.

      Sehlaremang Tladi - 2013-05-22 21:46

      so true

      Boichoko Dichaba - 2013-05-22 21:51

      jaco you are talking sense there the main focus should be how do we come together and share in dis bigger pie

  • Phuphudlelwe Vukayilahle - 2013-05-22 21:29

    Separation is the best way to achieve ones personal freedon as long as we all going to be treated equally.

      jacobus.m.vantonder - 2013-05-22 22:03

      PV... very true words.

      Willem De Jager - 2013-05-23 11:15

      Dude, I'll have you as my neighbour any day because you think like a man not a muppet.

  • Jacques Loots - 2013-05-22 21:31

    In other words let the black lawyers association have there time in the sun and lets hope that the more we understand each other the less need there would be for such associations.

  • Patricia Dewet - 2013-05-22 21:36

    DA youth target all the black forums and black communities run by the chiefs, after you have done that try these people. They stay on a private farm not being paid for by this useless government, so leave then, doing no harm to anybody.

      Papapipo Mzapi - 2013-05-22 21:45

      dewet a person without the knowledge of his history is like a tree without roots those black communities you are refering to where created by the former apartheid regime

      Don Frost - 2013-05-23 21:52

      Papapipo it would seem you are the ignoramus here! Supposedly the black settlements were here before the white man! Did they send e-mails saying the Zulus must stay here and the Xhosas there? Bloody stupid comment if you ask me!

      Hannes En Brianda Barnard - 2013-05-24 04:38

      Papapipo learn you own history as your roots are very shallow. Whites did not put the Zulus in Zululand, they moved there before the whites even got there.

  • Democrazy - 2013-05-22 21:38

    So sad really. The dream is fading like Mandela!

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-23 22:41

      Well what did you expect? Of course groups will start forming when you hear about the brutal farm attacks, kill the boer songs etc. Just like the ANC in the apartheid years. But for some reason it is not permitted for whites but only for blacks - why?

  • Sehlaremang Tladi - 2013-05-22 21:41

    DA you expose yourself, lets see how many DA loyal supporters will be there! excepts our coconuts like Lindiwe Mazibuko. Funny you don't start anti-racism protest at home(WC).

      Ben - 2013-05-24 13:10

      You do realise that "coconuts" is the same as calling somebody a "K-lover", right? You're the same as them. You're just in denial... Door swings both ways buddy...

  • Mfaniseni Thusi - 2013-05-22 21:42

    @Ritz40 - you are lying I have a German friend whiter than you who leaves in Mamelodi since 1999. You are a coward. Lots of white priests leaved in the townships and they are still alive. So cut the crap.

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 21:47

      @Thusi why get so angry? I am a coward- why? PLEASE you know you are lying! Have you been to Mamelodi. A white person wont last one hour in the dark their.

      Lourens van Niekerk - 2013-05-22 22:00

      *lives* & *lived*

  • Boichoko Dichaba - 2013-05-22 21:47

    its a great idea let them have that kleinfontein, but b4 they go in they must declare that they are no more part of south africa and they will not participate in our economy by simple issueing their full identity so that we can bar them from all south african companies or even do business with south africans

      helizna - 2013-05-23 08:48

      Yes, Please! Give the Afrikaner their own country! Do you even hear yourself?

      Willem De Jager - 2013-05-23 11:20

      Boichoko, why shout abuse at these people? you sound a little jealous to me.

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-23 22:44

      I agree Helizna, Give us our own little piece of land and then we will be out of your hair You do hate us so much after all

      Hannes En Brianda Barnard - 2013-05-24 04:41

      Boichoko, like your thinking. You may be surprised on how successful they can be and South Africa is not the only country they can work in while having a place they can call their own to go back to.

  • Cedric - 2013-05-22 21:48

    @least dey ain't faking it like most do. nd hey luk @ da bright side dey ain't using black gadners nd maids. let dem screw demselves up hu cares realy...laaag

  • jungleboy - 2013-05-22 21:50

    Maybe they should ask the black lawyers association or the black lawyers forum or even the black business council or perhaps the black association of commercial property owners to investigate these nasty racists?

  • Shaun Swart - 2013-05-22 21:50

    A publicity stunt if I ever saw one. DA jumping on the band wagon much the same the ANC did with Mandela pics a while ago. Focus on the real issues for a change like corruption , education ,crime etc.

  • HJS - 2013-05-22 21:52

    Sorry DA this is one I DO NOT agree with you. If a certain group of people CHOOSE to live together, that is their business. Where does "freedom of association" go if you want to DENY people their choice with whom they want to be? There is one hell of a lot of South Sfrica where all kinds can live if they so choose. I can not see how I could be forced to share my house with anyone unless I choose to do so, why should they share their 'farm' with anyone they do not choose?

      Trevor Matthews - 2013-05-22 22:16

      Ya boet - I want my own bollywood too....lol

      Ludwig Van Wyk - 2013-05-22 23:45

      Totally agree my friend. Gimmie groete!

  • Paddy Lindhorst - 2013-05-22 21:53

    Lets not get hyped up about this now....they can be South Africa's armish.....hehe. every country has a group of ppl that prefere to live in the past....now we have one to....

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2013-05-22 21:56

    Racism is becoming a way of life again in South Africa like it is in the rest of the world.

  • Cedric - 2013-05-22 21:57

    k let me b naive...let's say all whites r racist(which dey r not) nd all blacks r also racist(which again not) hu ecxactly will b @ odds by numbers pesperctive though.....

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-22 22:05

      What?

  • Adepoju Mosebo - 2013-05-22 21:58

    I say let them have their Kleinfontein!!!! it is their choice!!!!!

  • Kamo Khunou - 2013-05-22 22:02

    one of the privileges that came with democracy is the freedom of association. If they want to be around people of their kind in their own property then I see nothing wrong with that. They are not outwardly demeaning anyone - they are not insulting blacks or anything- they just want to be around their people. So let them .

  • Toby Mcbride - 2013-05-22 22:05

    I don't get this, essentially we all live under the same big roof. For people to try and live seperatly to others will just cause more conflincts.

  • Mfaniseni Thusi - 2013-05-22 22:19

    @Ritz40 - Talking to you is a waste of time and energy, you have a serious problem. Ask Mazillebuko to help you.

  • Motlalepula Moloi - 2013-05-22 22:23

    Give that man (Jan) a bells.

      Syphor Zit - 2013-05-22 22:42

      Maybe Klipies (Oil clock)with coke this time.

  • Syphor Zit - 2013-05-22 22:24

    Charity begins at home, if you were raised like that, who can change you, only consequences if you come across, tribalism is also here.

  • Chris Du Plessis - 2013-05-22 22:24

    DA denies peoples right to self-determination, the basis of human rights. Article 1.1 of the International Convention of Political and Civil Rights, which was co-signed by South Africa, states that : ‘All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

      Sehlaremang Tladi - 2013-05-22 22:32

      carry on code again, what does it say about freedom of location? does it also grand them the right to never allow other cultures and races?

  • Kellé Alberts - 2013-05-22 22:31

    Maybe start taking a look at Black Economic Empowerment as racism?

      Sehlaremang Tladi - 2013-05-22 22:34

      racism is the economy that is racially dominated and not represented by National demographics, share there economy and countries wealth and BEE will not be there! idiot

      John Corner - 2013-05-23 10:13

      good one Sehlaremang.

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-23 22:59

      Sehlaremang: And what about the Jacaranda orphanage that won't be getting funding form government because of BEE - there are to many white children and not enough black? your sick

  • Syphor Zit - 2013-05-22 22:32

    Sounds like there is a hidden agenda behind this,sound like what I read before of the guns hidden found under the pulpit floor.

  • G.I Jane - 2013-05-22 22:41

    And I thouhgt that if I have a farm and I paid for the farm that I can do with it the way it pleases me

      Rameetse Benjamin Mokgoatjana - 2013-05-22 23:01

      Including condoning racism? We fought against racism and we are not about to stop now. From whom have the farms been bought anyway?

      helizna - 2013-05-23 08:51

      Rameetse Benjamin Mokgoatjana it was bought from the bank.

      Motlalepula Matshwe - 2013-05-23 17:28

      helizna since when did the bank own the land,g.i.jane your great grandfather was given the land u mean bcos of his skin colour

      Antebellum Axiom - 2013-05-24 11:48

      So Motlalepula, You suffer from the same ignorance as many other of your ilk that make the same claims. You firstly assume that black people occupied every sqaure km of South Africa, when in fact, they only occupied a small percentage. Let me give you an example: Jan van Riebeeck came to the cape in 1652 and the white settlers only encountered Xhosas(Eastern Cape) for the first time in the second half of the 18th century. For more than a hundred years they did not even know Xhosas existed. The Zulus were first encounter in the 1830's(another 70 odd years later). And these two tribes made up the vast majority of indiginous black people. Just think on that for a while then try to claim that black people lived EVERYWHERE. Secondly, you seem to think(like many others) that whites are just given things for free or that we buy cars and houses with cash. When you buy a car or a house, the bank pays the full amount to the seller. The bank then becomes the OWNER of that property untill you have paid them back in full(with interrest) So the banks do own land, in fact they probably own more land than the government.

  • Justice Jones - 2013-05-22 23:16

    Let them be. Its in their genetic gift

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-05-22 23:33

    What u people don't understand is that they will racially exclude someone just because they have a different skin color or have a different culture or listen to different music. And that Is what a have a problem with!

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-23 23:02

      O please like you would love for me to come and live next to you. Me with my boere musiek, Church on Sundays and sakkie sakkie on Saturday nights?

      Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-05-24 13:45

      I really would not have a problem with you coming to live next to me as I am not a racist. Y I really do not care who lives next door to me. However it is my democratic right to play whatever music I like so you would just have to put up with my loud rap, dubstep, house and electro house music us young ones listen to.

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-24 22:23

      I get up very early on Sunday mornings and put on the Gospel Channel as loud as I can for the entire day

  • Holdanigono - 2013-05-22 23:48

    I have no problem living anywhere, but these people are not harming anyone, they are a very small minority and should be able to live that way. Is that not what democracy is? It is about accepting viewpoints that are not our own. Why push them down? I vote DA but I have been getting annoyed lately with witch hunts behind every bush. I appreciated FW De Klerks statement the other day about there being progress in South Africa despite our short comings. We need to live as a united nation across racial lines and accept those with different viewpoints. We accept the commies, so we may as well accept these people too. For goodness sake, the commies are part of the tripartheid alliance. The strength in South Africa is in our diversity- when we start attacking and excluding people we become part of the problem. I am very disappointed with the DA on this, but I suppose these are the political tricks one has to pull if you want to be a serious contender as the opposition. What a crock of ...

  • Puple LeMoo - 2013-05-23 00:02

    My word. I originated from that area. This isn't racism. It is best described as a weird cult of culture. Even white people who do not fit the strict criteria are excluded. One undesirable ancestor and you are excluded. Make a mistake and you are out. I reiterate, weird cult of culture and not racism. Not everything is racism. This is a very weird community that excludes everyone who doesn't fit some weird mould. Everyone in the area knows this and basically avoids the community if they can.

      Fanie Gerber - 2013-05-23 05:55

      Exactly - look at my name and surname and I am quite white and are not welcome there - leave them alone

      Lanfear Mierin - 2013-05-24 12:27

      Yup you are right, they are a cult. I am white and will definitely not be welcomed there.

  • Aaron Larry Chaava - 2013-05-23 00:05

    Hahahaha idoits comparing culture and race hahahahaha i don't know any 'black cultral' activity that excludes whites, example east londen a few years back had a couple of white kids go to the bush and become men the xhosa way, so before u make comparisons understand that being racist shows lack of complete knowledge or understanding of that which u hate. I thnk we shud gv them the town, then shut off al services to the town, 4m water to electricity, to petrol nd wat not, those are resources are for south africans, the mixed masala race of ths country that dont give two hoots what skin colour we see on a diaily basis

      Ritz40 - 2013-05-23 06:13

      You don't know any black culture? I know a lot of Black lawyers forum, black accountants, BEE, BBEE, BBBEE and more. They exclude whites. If you are for that then it does sound that you give a two hoots about the color of my skin.

      Bernard Nienaber - 2013-05-23 09:24

      Ritz you say the same thing over and over in your comments, please get new material. broken record much?

      Aaron Larry Chaava - 2013-05-23 10:32

      Ritz am black, i personaly hate al those forums u just mentioned...its retarded nd yes racist. Does not take away from wat i said.

      Marisca Joubert - 2013-05-23 23:11

      Oh sure, Like whites are also permitted into the traditional courts - that is reserved only for blacks? And why not? because the traditional court are there to facilitate your CULTURAL WAY OF LIVING, - UNISA, indigenous law

  • Paul Phil - 2013-05-23 00:17

    its platforms like this that wld make 1to vote 4 de anc again,yes its true that most of us are not happy wit the current state of affairs,but m convinced that sum ppl,if nt most cannot change,better to deal wit the devil u knw. Aluta contunua!!!!!!!

      Olga Mabaso - 2013-05-24 01:25

      You contradicting youself.How is it Aluta if you sticking to that old rusty devil?Make some progress!

  • Paul Phil - 2013-05-23 00:21

    Bunch of mampuru dronk right wingers,I suggest they be left to drink themselve to death.

  • ANASKA - 2013-05-23 00:34

    Reversed Apartheid is so rife in SA that people have decided to create their own little "Utopia" - Orania was a huge talking point when that was created, once the dust has settle people will simply accept it