Public fights hit ANC - Phosa

2012-10-11 11:54

Johannesburg - Public fights between members of the ANC could cause a potential breakdown of the party's dignity, its treasurer Mathews Phosa said on Thursday.

"I am disturbed by what I perceive as the potential breakdown of the dignity of our political discourse by undisciplined public spats," he said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Ahmed Kathrada Foundation's annual conference in Johannesburg.

"Leaders do not serve the cause of shaping a better life for all by either openly or covertly seeking conflict by accentuating differences."

He said the ANC needed to be strong in their internal private debates, but protective of one another publicly.
"We won a historic battle which was lauded worldwide on strong values, unity of purpose and learning that a divided leadership creates fertile ground for a divided society," Phosa said.

"Nowadays our spears are better utilised in the fight against unemployment, crime, corruption and poverty rather than against leaders."

Nomination fights

Numerous public fights have broken out between members as ANC branches, regions and provinces around the country discuss their nominations for the ANC's top leadership positions ahead of the party's national conference in Mangaung in December.

The Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association's (MKMVA) Gauteng branches said on Tuesday that it wanted to replace Phosa as treasurer.

Ekurhuleni MKMVA secretary Bafana Mahlale said regions had decided that Phosa had erred by coming out in support of expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema, despite the mandate that the national executive committee would accept the sanctions.

"We believe that the behaviour of Julius Malema couldn't be what it was unless it was backed by certain individuals in the national leadership. It is a known fact that comrade Phosa is one of those people," he said.

  • - 2012-10-11 12:12

    "...could cause a potential breakdown of the party's dignity..." Don't be absurd Matthews - the ANC has no dignity to break down...

      Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-10-28 21:56

      What is more dangerous in this 2nd coming flight of the pigs? The swarming bloated boars or sows?

  • justin.ormond - 2012-10-11 12:17

    What dignity ?

  • taig.solomon - 2012-10-11 12:18

    "Nowadays our spears are better utilised in the fight against unemployment, crime, corruption and poverty rather than against leaders." Well said, unless the leaders are the cause.

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-10-11 12:19

    Party dignity? What are you smoking? With a leader(sic!) like you got all dignity that you might have once had went out the window l-o-n-g time ago!

  • bling.mbomvu - 2012-10-11 12:22

    Eish my fellow South Africans you can never build a future with the past, why can't we work together and make our country a better place for all of us?

      Johann Enslin - 2012-10-11 12:31

      Yes we can.

      beryl.severain - 2012-10-11 13:16

      This is the best comment on this subject - I agree totally with you

      Antipoaching - 2012-10-11 14:57

      All we need to do Bling is get the politicians to butt out and let us common folk get on with it!

      tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-10-11 17:54

      Thanks Bling. We should all remember that the radicals are on both sides and in the middle are millions of people who have no problem with sharing our beautiful country with everyone. The answer is to learn from the past and work towards the future. Not be stuck in the past and miss the future.

      morris.khunou - 2012-10-12 15:24

      The DA can fake racial unity and parade the likes of Mazibuko, dance and chant freedom songs and immitate every little thing that makes the character of anc. But it is our daily experiences with you guys that counts. the kind of comments, insinuitions and blatant insults and generalisations of another human race dont do you any favour.MANY WHITES BEHAVES LIKE THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO BE BORN WHITE?

      herman.booysen2 - 2012-10-12 19:19

      Yes, now this is a constructive start to any debate. @ morris.khunou please be so kind and look around you again, whites have a 100% better attitude against blacks that blacks have against whites. LOL and yes I'm proud to be white, has nothing to do with the argument !

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-10-11 12:23

    The dignity of South Africa and ALL South Africans will only be restored by proper, responsible and conscientious governance.Mangaung isn't going to change anything. Common decency will. Respect for others will. Accountability will. cANCer won't !

      wehan.victor - 2012-10-11 13:07

      Well said.

  • ndlovuvincent - 2012-10-11 12:25

    Mr Phosa,u are the biggest culprit and your words are worthless as u always do the opposite of what u are preaching.U and your FYL have torn the ANC apart because u want to become the deputy president if Motlante wins in Mangaung.Now that there are people who are calling a spade a spade,requesting u to vacate your position,it does not go down well with u.We all believe that as Zuma is not doing any good for us,he must be replaced but as NEC member u do have call for his head publicly.Zuma might win again in Mangaung,u will be jobless as u have been calling for his head publicly.For u to show support for Malema was disgusting to say the least and u will always be a failure.I do not wish Zuma to be retained as a president after Mangaung but the whole bunch challenging him is still useless like u as well.

  • TheMcAttack - 2012-10-11 12:26

    BLAH BLAH BLAH, yadda yadda yadda, apartheid, corruption, poverty, change the record Matthews. Oh, and btw bhekifa.bhekita, at least 'white people' get things done.

  • kenneth.kgosi - 2012-10-11 12:27

    My goodness @bhekifa give us break wit yo racist comments,grow up man south africa belongs to every south african who lives in it.The ANC not racist either..

      Johann Enslin - 2012-10-11 12:30

      Thanks you.

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-11 12:30

      ANC not racist? whahahaha, Black management forum. Broad base black empowerment, Quotas, transformation....Think again buddy!

      sxp - 2012-10-11 12:38

      The ANC is racist, full of criminals and super corrupt. They also have no clue as to what real freedom means, nor to successfully run any country. The number of unemployed show this, as well as the numbers who leave the country all the time. Wake up before your coffee(if you can afford some) gets cold.

      kenneth.kgosi - 2012-10-11 13:52

      @SXP The ANC is not Racist just a few spoiled brats ruining de good name neither was every white man racist during apartheid dont be a hypocrite u can do beta, @Henk.vanrensberg buddy please doz are initiatives to empower de previously disadvantage black community do u hate dat?

  • donovan.senus - 2012-10-11 12:29

    Isn't this clown Phoza the guy who always blames "the previous regime" for all the wrong doings of the ANC?

      Yello Kiya Kamy - 2012-10-11 12:36

      do u see any funny clothing worn by Phosa?, you moron

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-11 12:40

      No need for any funny clothing!

      nota.darki - 2012-10-11 13:32

      No, just listen to the speech, that's funny enough!

  • sxp - 2012-10-11 12:34

    Dignity, they have none anyway. Just a real dummy will still vote for that bunch of stealing, lying and cheating pumpkins....eish and that means millions will vote for them.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-11 12:55

    These political unrests, violent protest are the only means we have to fight against corruption, poverty, unemployment, crime etc etc. Idiot.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-11 14:34

      and you can use your vote.

  • trevor.bush.9655 - 2012-10-11 12:57

    Just love the way the ANC is self imploding, and they STILL blame white people for their failures as a Democratic Party with the ability to lead. ANC just re-inforces the belief that black people cannot rule themselves...LOL..sorry but just look at their rule the last 19years then look what happend when they voted in Zuma, a standing trial rapist, that is where the ANC lost all control NOW the very same people who forced Mbeki out and Zuma in, want Zuma have a 31yr old boy publically stating over n over again he will make SA un-managable which is TREASON even in SA and he's getting it right and does so without ANY consequence. I personally believe SA will never survive the ANC's rule, just a matter of time before the likes of Julius Malema and his cronies take control of SA, remember this, the poor FAR outmunber the haves and Hitler proved what can be done when the poor are ignored, you just need a common denominator to unite and SA it's the "Whites" it or not, the Majority of the blacks in SA HATE white people, why do you think the ANC is still in power.

  • sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-10-11 13:09

    Phosa was an admitted qualified attorney b4 he went to exile.He became CHAIRMAN of PRICE WATERHOUSE COOPERS after he left PREMIERSHIP of MAMPARALANGA- the cANCer appointed him TG-surely their coffers improved under him.HE DOES NOT NEED THIS PAPERTIGER called MKVA (I was an operative of MK)-they are just a parasitic ORG which doesn't believe in HardWork BUT entitlement.His father was my father's principal in GRASKOP(former ETVY now Mamparalanga)MAPULANA,BAKOENA LE BATOKWA basa go hlompha-PHOSA!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-11 14:16

      How did he manage to become an attorney under the old apartheid regime if things were so bad?

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-10-11 18:40

      @Irene.Buthelezi1 Remember that even Mandela

  • njdejager - 2012-10-11 13:15

    The dignety is loooooong gone Mr Phoza. Where have you been the last 18 years? A little too late if you ask me but anyway you can try.

  • jola.jose.7 - 2012-10-11 13:22

    Don't be a cry baby mr Phosa that's what you planted at pulukwane 2007 the chaos ,the anc ancestors are angry with this current leadership

  • drienie.mayo - 2012-10-11 13:35

    What DIGNITY......They never had it in the first place.

  • lumsele - 2012-10-11 13:35

    There are long lists of individuals waiting for their turn to strip the state of resources and steal from hard working individuals. ANC is a mess, this behaviour will never stop. They can delude themselves by saying that they will rule forever, but they should be warned that the same young people that they are robbing of quality education will b voters one day. The day will come when the anc leaders will regret their arrogance and short sightedness.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-11 14:36

      I agree!

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-10-11 18:59

      Its easy to convince UNEDUCATED voters to vote u to power each 5yrs with a SPINDOCTORED SAME MESSAGE(twicked there

  • luvo.luvos - 2012-10-11 13:35

    The fight is all about one getting their turn in the trough. This is why there is sabotage all around ANC office holders. I pity those who sincerely believe that the ANC will deliver on its mandate.

  • harley.quin.334 - 2012-10-11 13:43

    Here is the funny thing, i distinctly remember just before Zoomer staged his coup,along with his then best friend Juju, a large number of people voicing the opinion that it would seal the fate of the country should someone like Zuma become president, that surley all that would follow would be rampant corruption, nepotism and cadre deployment...noone listened... why... because most of those who warned of dire consequences where white and thus easily dismissed as racist, colonial agent provocateurs bend on rubbishing the ANC. Can we have an 'we told you so'

  • sbusiso.dlamini.79 - 2012-10-11 13:52

    The enemy within the anc is zuma full stop. The day mr phosa can speak to us in full sentences, without fear of breaking anc internal policies, maybe the country will be saved. Zuma is the worste thing ever happen to the country. Second term for what, the man is destroying the country, blacks must look beyond colour and the past and look for a leader that can drive us forward. Trevor manuel is not spoken of besides tons and tons of achievements for the well being of the nation to date financially. He has produced the likes of pravin gordhan and what has montlante or tokyo have to show for. Zuma produced malema, judge for yourself

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-11 14:18

      No sbusiso ~ The enemy is not Zooomer, it is cANCer themselves. Don't single out Zooomer, they are all equally rotten, filthy and corrupt.

  • tebogo.mabe.56 - 2012-10-11 14:18

    I think News24 is pushing a racist agenda by not deleting divisive comments like those posted by Bhefika

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-11 14:54

      Rememeber they are a business. Not that I agree that they may or may not doing it, but as long as we click and comment their rating stays high.

      tebogo.mabe.56 - 2012-10-11 15:41

      We all know what racially charged statements do to society: now should News24 ignore this in pursuit of profits?

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-11 16:23

      NO! I am with you on this.

  • siyanda.yeni.5 - 2012-10-11 14:30

    \Could cause potential breakdown in the ANC's dignity\ With respect,Mr Phosa the dignity of our beloved ANC has already been destroyed! As Jordan said,we need a leader who is going restore the beautiful image of our ANC!

  • 0001000ghost - 2012-10-11 14:36

    what man black or any colour will make me leave my country? ill moer you harder than you can ever imagined. i have done it before and will gladly do it again.

  • Bruce - 2012-10-11 14:44

    The dignity of the ANC has been damaged more by corruption, lack of service delivery and credible leadership more than anything else my good sir.

      herman.booysen2 - 2012-10-12 19:30

      Fully agree and if we can only stand together and draw the line between racism and the logical blatant self-enrichment,corruption, service delivery and bad leadership. We would all agree, all the hatred blacks and racist whites on these posts, that these need to be fixed before any other problem can be addressed.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-10-11 14:53

    What Dignity There is no dignity left for the ANC they live in the medium of hate, they lie, they twist the truth, the steal, their spear has become limp, they have become South Africa's shame South African's greatest hurdle, Once were hero's now fat cat hoodlums, so rotten you can't see the good guys anymore, they have been infiltrated by hoodlums working for Satin.... They have become the Church of Satin.

  • musawenkosi.zwane.54 - 2012-10-11 15:11

    Now the fact is , its rare to find a black man who is not greedy because In other areas government does provide money then the local government will use the money to achieve lavish life. Then do minor thing come back after 4years and want votes and our parents will vote for them. We us the people who can see that south africa is going down should just boycot voting until we change our system of having political party. I prefer leaders being choose by their qualification and expireint in leadership.

  • thabani.j.themba - 2012-10-11 15:33

    matthew phosa s not qualified to speak on this issue bcos he also contributed with his utterances he made with regards to leadership change in the ANC and his association with malema so he must not act as a saint here,bcos he is guilty.

  • john.smit.121772 - 2012-10-11 16:52

    I thought Phosa had sense. What dignity of the ANC is in danger? They have no dignity, integrity, moral values, consience, efficiency or self control. They are like a lot of beserk and starving hienas.

  • linda.odendaalerasmus - 2012-11-01 07:58

    It will better if we have a younger president that does not hold on to the past and only go forward not looking into building on a racist previously dis-advanced excuse for every obstacle and failure. The older men is full of un-forgiveness and hatred and steers SA with the old-regime mentality in the blackhead. We also want to proud and have trust a good leader in our President black or white!

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