Public to help decide on Cele

2012-02-17 22:28

Johannesburg - The public was on Friday invited to disclose any information that could help determine whether suspended police commissioner Bheki Cele was fit to hold office.

"Any such information or evidence must be set out in an affidavit and must be supplied to the secretary of the board of enquiry," said the board's spokeswoman Bongiwe Gambu.

Submissions could be sent by e-mail, post or presented at a public hearing on March 5, said Gambu.

President Jacob Zuma suspended Cele in October last year after Public Protector Thuli Madonsela found that his actions pertaining to two leases for new police headquarters, valued at R1.6bn, were unlawful and amounted to maladministration.

Cele was suspended with full salary, allowances, privileges and benefits pending the probe. Zuma then appointed the board as recommended by Madonsela.

The board was mandated to inquire into whether Cele:

- has acted corruptly or dishonestly or with an undeclared conflict of interest in relation to the two leases

- contravened provisions of the Public Management Act and Treasury regulations among others

- failed to prevent the procurement processes being conducted or facilitated by the manipulation of the police's supply chain management or procurement processes

- failed to prevent irregular expenditure incurred in relation to both leases

- failed to prevent any financial losses or wasted expenditure to be incurred by the State, and his overall conduct.

"Any person or organisation possessing such information relating to the above issues is invited to disclose such information," said Gambu.

Board members include chairperson Judge Jake Moloi, secretary advocate Lisa Tsatsi, advocate Terry Motau SC and advocate Anthea Platt.

  • tertia888 - 2012-02-17 22:38

    Oh PLEASE!!!

      Wesley - 2012-02-18 15:49

      Perhaps they must sommer use this forum for public commet.

  • Donny Doncaster - 2012-02-17 22:43

    That last one is quite obvious isn't it?!

  • Peter - 2012-02-17 22:49

    I think Cele should be in goal, but public participation? For heavens sake!

      Scouter - 2012-02-18 01:25

      I think you might have meant jail? Last person I would put in charge of the goal.

      ian.rundle1 - 2012-02-18 07:49

      Scouter - I think he meant gaol. That is the English spelling BUT we hardly ever use it any longer. However - definitely does not belong in goal

      Geraldv - 2012-02-18 08:44

      Ha Ha Ha Ha, Scouter I almost cried laughing. Peter we know what you meant and agree with you!

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-18 14:55

      @Scouter...if you consider the guys bulk he might just cover a goalmouth completely...maybe not such a bad call...

  • kznshark - 2012-02-17 22:49

    ...are we now to act as "public prosecutors"?

      Sharon - 2012-02-18 16:41

      If they don't have enough evidence, they must maar pack heir bags and go home. What could they possibly hope to achieve with this stunt? What extra evidence could the public provide to help them make a decision and end this saga once and for all?

  • ISO - 2012-02-17 23:04

    Why only Cele? let us deterime the fitness of all these corrupt officials!

  • John - 2012-02-17 23:16

    Another one for the golf course? Blowing smoke people, now all of a sudden we are to be public prosecutors? If so can we please pass judgement on all these morons?

      Sterling - 2012-02-17 23:55

      I have never heard of anything like this and Zuma is fighting corruption.

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-18 14:56

      maybe this is the new way?

  • alansmartSnr - 2012-02-17 23:16

    Unbelievable, the Public Protector has already found that he was corrupt. Is this another act in Zumas circus. Why ask the public. There will be very little, if any, of the public that will have inside knowledge of this corruption. Me thinks that at the end of the day the verdict will be: "Well comrade, nobody has come forward, so just carry on " Psst.. I want a cut!" What a bloody waste of time and money!

      John - 2012-02-18 03:44

      Alan, sad but so absolutely true. Just imagine what will happen after the info bill. There will be no, Psst I want a cut! the "cut" will be automatically included! the taxpayer he will have no say. Lets get rid of cANCer please, think people think when you vote!!

  • SaintBruce - 2012-02-17 23:18

    Just have a look at the contracts - is his signature there? Maybe Roux Shabangu will come forward and provide compelling evidence of their 'generally corrupt' relationship? Maybe pigs will fly before then? Don't these guys have more than enough evidence to pin Cele to the ground?

  • Sika - 2012-02-17 23:23

    now this is crazy

      Helmut - 2012-02-18 07:25

      No, this is South African polictics! Zuma only wants to be seen to fight corruption, but his cronies must be protected at all cost, hence the circus! Cele is a retarded cowboy and given the chance he will operate in the same manner as McBride did!

  • Terry-Lee - 2012-02-17 23:39

    4 months down the line now Zuma wants the public's input Cele has been having a lovely holiday full pay full benefits all this time and for how much longer I am just so confused what has the Board been doing all this time?? Surely there must be some audit. Methinks Zuma doesn't like Thuli very much definitely undermining her with this

  • Chris - 2012-02-17 23:40

    Ask the witnesses surrounding Robert McBribe's trial what happens to members of the public looking to provide evidence or statements against the cadre deployed ANC bigwigs. If I was a member of the public with evidence against Cele, I'd throw it all into the sea before the task force raids your house, after of course trashing the neighbors because they got the address wrong.

  • bernpm - 2012-02-18 00:11

    only if I am allowed a vote when choosing an SA president!

  • Herman - 2012-02-18 00:13

    Anc bs.

  • lhfick - 2012-02-18 00:43

    Good Bye Cele!

  • mary.kircher - 2012-02-18 00:49

    I'm sure the whole Cele tribe will be writing furiously as we speak ....... the mind boggles !

  • louisdiemasjien - 2012-02-18 00:49

    Why is this still dragging on? Just fire the idiot already! For heaven's sake!

      Bluemast - 2012-02-18 06:56

      Lack of knowledge/professionalism - expats will have to come back to finalise this case in a jiffy !!!!!!

  • inwardk - 2012-02-18 01:11

    what an abdication of responsibility!

  • Blip - 2012-02-18 01:12

    The Commissioner of Police is performance-appraised by the Minister of Police, and not the public. The public do not get to interface with Cele -- they only get to deal with Cele's minions who operate at ground level.

      Scouter - 2012-02-18 01:31

      You try and explain that to this mob, mate.

  • Scouter - 2012-02-18 01:28

    Hey everyone, It looks like public hangings are on the way back. And a bloody good thing too.

      Charmaine - 2012-02-18 08:22

      Lets hope so Scouter

  • Keabetswe Prince Mathabathe - 2012-02-18 01:31

    Can sum1 pls do de president's job & fire de idiot, caus its clear dat he does not wana fire him. I think de president & his ministers nid to enroll in a leadership course. We all read yesterday dat a police officer in Soweto shot a 16yr old skul boy 5 tyms & its Bcaus of Cele.

      Mantsho - 2012-02-18 01:49

      My point exactly, what is Zuma's job? people voted for him to do the job, and now he is asking the people how to do his job, seriousy this showerman needs to go,l cannot stand this anymore.

      Scouter - 2012-02-18 01:58

      May I interest you in a literacy course? I have a special offer running for the rest of February.

      Glyn - 2012-02-18 09:41

      @Scouter - I think that Keabetswe P. Mathabathe said it all! KPM, you could do the job better than Zuma. Heck, I could do the job better than Zuma, maybe not well but a lot better! @Scouter - The nice thing about the internet is that super-literaterati like you can have a productive conversation with the almost illiterates.

  • MyTruth - 2012-02-18 01:49

    The joke get funnier and sadder! Get all those crooked and thieving officials and put them away. Cele and Co feather their own nests at the tax payers expense. Theier mates are becoming billionaires from our tax paying honest people whoare being skinned alive for more taxes, tolls etc. The number of wualified people leaving SA is horrific leaving the unqualified, waste of breath useless takers behind. How long can SA survive? At this rate, not even 10 years!

      Scouter - 2012-02-18 02:09

      Zuma's use of English is sadly still better than your's, My Truth. Granted, he does not actually compose his own diatribes - whereas you evidently do.

      zybt99 - 2012-02-18 09:50

      what language are you typing in? ps its been 18 years give it up. the country will be here long after ten years. hopefully you will have learnt how to spell.

  • Scouter - 2012-02-18 01:56

    Only in Africa!

  • Howard - 2012-02-18 01:56

    I think he is great

      Scouter - 2012-02-18 02:26

      In a strange way, so do I. Other than Robert Mugabe, nobody else is capable of trashing the African way so succinctly.

  • David - 2012-02-18 02:47

    Only in to hold office? he is not fit to be a parking guard!

      Glyn - 2012-02-18 09:44

      I am learning French from a car guard! Viva La Car guard! Car guards for President!

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-02-18 03:19

    oh brother you mean you suspended the man without evidence ,what a pile of b.............t and you really want the public to decide, and who will be on the panel that will decide his fate than , me think you have created a conandrim and wants us to bail you out. please our shadow president for once in your life show us that you are in fact the president of this messed up country, oh and i vote fire him

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-02-18 04:44

    Zuma is to scared to fire his cronie, another perfect example of incompetence. Let the people crucify him while Zuma washes his hands.

  • Jacques Buckle - 2012-02-18 06:03

    julle is so gef0k as julle wil he die publiek moet besluite vir julle neem.

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-02-18 06:20

    When u hired n suspended Cele d public was not u making him a public problem....think twice Sir...whoever dat is advising u doesn't smoke real weed....

  • Wesley - 2012-02-18 06:21

    As if they listen to the public.

  • Bluemast - 2012-02-18 06:27

    This is the most rediculous request I have ever come across! Either h did or did not commit maladministration! If the police have not got a solid case then let him IPO otherwise charge him and allow the judicial route to be followed! This. Question obviously is an admission that the charges gasometer him Mays not stand up in court! If you have done your investigation properly then this sort of question should not be posed to the public unless you want to build on more evidence to strengthen your case or come up with new maladministration chages as well.

  • Obakeng Molobi - 2012-02-18 06:28

    Since when is our govt willing to listen to the public? Let me check my calender; it must be 1st of April....

  • Grimett - 2012-02-18 06:30

    What's the e-mail address ?

  • Silvana - 2012-02-18 06:37

    I would like to know what Cele has on Zuma? Or are the ANC just being undecisive and cowardly. What more evidence does one need to prove that he is unfit to hold that position. A police commissioner with those charges against him? Please

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-02-18 07:15

      Due process. If he is fired without following the recomendations of the report he will go to arbitration and all you lovely people will scream black incompitance.

      Marion - 2012-02-18 09:34

      Xolani, I agree that due process should be followed in order to ensure that anyone gets a fair trial (if it comes to that)... but to call upon the public to dish up the dirt on Cele goes beyond the pale... either they have a case or they don't. If they don't, then reinstate him. I for one felt a lot safer in recent years.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-18 16:30

      This is the abdication of government and ANC's duty. They are finished. There is nothing further coming out.

  • Bluemast - 2012-02-18 06:38

    It seems that the investigation team are the ones that should go to jail for not doing their job properly, this is no wonder why there is a drive for the expats to return to this country to improve on the lost professionalism! If I am wrong in interperating this article,my humble appologies, but if not then please elaborte otherwise it seems to be embarrasing on your side invesigative team!

  • Bluemast - 2012-02-18 06:41

    I would love to be public prosecutor on Malema's case, please could you rather pose this question again using his case??????? Pleeeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Roy - 2012-02-18 06:54

    Whoever thought this one up must be as BIG a moron as Cele is. They know what people thought of Cele so lock him up and throw the key into the deepest part of the ocean. PS do the same to all the other corrupt cops.

  • Peter - 2012-02-18 07:01

    Have you no balls. The same old story, can't make a decssion. can we decide the penalty for all the other corrupt people?

      Glyn - 2012-02-18 09:49

      The anc governs by committee. This is all very predictable. The answer is to vote the anc OUT!

  • Anthony - 2012-02-18 07:08

    can you shoot him?

      Glyn - 2012-02-18 09:50

      No. Only learner cops can do that.

      Anthony - 2012-02-18 14:53

      any learner cops out there?

  • braamc - 2012-02-18 07:08

    Yes, promote him

  • Wayne - 2012-02-18 07:22

    What an absolute crock of ........!!! The man was found by the public prosecutor to have been deeply compromised in his approving and handling of these leases. Prosecute and let the courts decide dammit!!!

  • Wayne - 2012-02-18 07:25

    @Xolani Zibugu - inviting the public to submit details when the public prosecutor has already investigated the matter is hardly "due process".

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-02-18 07:54

      Well if the findings of the said protector say that must be the process then doing it another way is sort of kangaroo justice. Also inviting public comment will introduce new evidence as those who had tenderd were not party to the protectors findings. So yes it is due process.

      Marion - 2012-02-18 09:46

      Xolani - Insofar as those who tendered goes, surely it is those people who should be asked to come forward or who should be approached (aren't there supposed to be records of the tenders?) instead of a general appeal to the public. I have never heard of the public being approached in this way to provide evidence in any case. Even going so far as to tell us that we would need to provide sworn affidavits.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-18 07:40

    I support the findings of the Public protector. She has done a sterling job in exposing the facts around Cele and with her track record, I cannot do anything else than stand behind her and her findings. This idea of suddenly asking the public for info is a political game that we do not need. Many people from the public gave information on Jacob Zuma's involvement in the arms deal and that was ignored, so in all fairness, I hope the public will also be invited yet again to give info on Zuma as well. South Africa needs to put the arms deal and all ANC cadres involvement in it in the open, once and for all. We simply cannot allow this wrotten deal to poisen us any further. The only way to do this is to take those involved to court and have the evidence speak for itself, leading to above board judgements.

  • Larry - 2012-02-18 07:56

    So, the Powers that be, have'nt got enough on him, or are too stupid to put it together? What a load of rubbish.

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-02-18 07:58

    As if the public views are taken seriously

      ashwin.lallo - 2012-02-18 08:12

      Nyiko as an african I suppose your family as many SAcans suffered by apartheid.There can be no justice as long as the majority dont have economic freedom.The lack of participation of black people on this site support this.The views on this site is mostly from the privileged and thus cannot be seen as public views.I believe election results should be seen as public views.

      Charmaine Paterson - 2012-02-18 14:27

      Ashwin, if black people can access facebook on their phones, why can't they access this site? I just did and replied to you. I think it's a valid point that the man in the street's point of view is disregarded. An ANC vote, out of loyalty, is hardly an opinion.

  • Stoney - 2012-02-18 08:13

    They must rather ask the public to decide about the implementation of the death penalty

  • Glyn - 2012-02-18 08:17

    Now the anc need the publics help in this sort of thing?? What an admission of failure!!

      Bluemast - 2012-02-19 02:14

      It sounds like the g-ment wants the public to share the guilt here either way the case goes! Have you ever heard of that?

  • bmash81 - 2012-02-18 08:18

    cele was good with fighting crime and jz dont wanna let hm go... let him go! let him go!mkhwanazi might do a better job than him

  • Charmaine - 2012-02-18 08:22

    every corrupt oficial show be fired

  • tumelo.theka - 2012-02-18 08:28

    Let justice be done as to eradicate corruption in this beautiful land of South Africa, you might be a hunk or be in a higher rank or president but you can't be above the law, corruption is eveil....

  • Tony - 2012-02-18 08:33

    The ANC is my party - if, I need to go down with it so be it. At the same time I am praying that the Lord will provide with a Leader that would lead us out of this darkness of stupidty. God save Africa. God save the ANC from this madness.