R3.6m a month for empty building for dept

2011-08-04 14:15

Cape Town - The Democratic Alliance is referring a justice and constitutional development department building lease to the auditor general to investigate, it said on Thursday.

Justice Minister Jeff Radebe had confirmed in written reply to a parliamentary question that the public works department had leased a building in Pretoria for use by his department at a rental of R3.662m a month, DA spokesperson Debbie Schafer said in a statement.

"Rental has been paid since January 1 2010 and the building will only be occupied by November 30 2011 as they are still 'busy with the required tenant installations'.

"Thus, over a period of 23 months, an amount of R84 235 816.63 will have been paid to lease a building that has been empty for most of that time," she said.

An additional R150 000 had been paid since April on security services for the empty building.

'Shameful waste of money'

This was a "shameful waste of money and yet another example of irresponsible financial management" by the public works department.

Schafer said she intended posing additional parliamentary questions to determine why it was necessary for the justice department to lease a new building, and why it was rented at this not insignificant amount of money when it was "apparently unsuitable for use".

In addition, it was necessary to know what kind of work needed to be done to the building, which would be quite extensive if it had not yet been completed after 18 months, and who was paying for it.

This latest revelation was reminiscent of the police lease deal saga, where inflated rentals were agreed to by the public works department for buildings yet to be renovated.

An investigation into that deal by the public protector found that both Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde and Police Commissioner Bheki Cele were guilty of conduct that was improper, unlawful, and amounted to maladministration.

"Depending on the answers received to my questions on the justice department lease this matter may also require investigation by the public protector.

"In the meantime, I shall refer it to the auditor general to investigate the seemingly fruitless and wasteful expenditure incurred to date," Schafer said.

  • Snys - 2011-08-04 14:19

    Here we go again!

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-08-04 14:26

      EISH !!!

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-08-04 14:31

      No words! Their stupidity has no boudaries!

      Concerned - 2011-08-04 14:34

      The African National Kleptocracy continues

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 14:39

      Maybe JZ authorised the rent there so he has a place big enough to house his wives and mistresses... or maybe Juju wants to knock it down and build a new pozzie... But honestly... how much more proof do we need that the ANC is corrupt beyond belief?

      umlaut - 2011-08-04 15:08

      This was all pre arranged-rental paid to who???Into a TRUST FUND???-- SHOW THE RECEIPTS PLEASE--THE REAL ONES.

      Michael - 2011-08-04 15:36

      @Matt:-)-You're not the brightest spark aren't you? Do you really expect the state President to authorise gvnt department's lease agreements? I'm not a fan of the ANC nor do i want to defend any of their inefficient ways in which they are running our country but there are questions that the article leaves me with and they stop me from spewing like some of you. Maybe the DOJ had to commit to paying rent for all this time even if way b4 moving in,if you were the lessor would you wait for 23 months without rent? Maybe they were told,if you don't pay,get out of my way i have other business people wanting to use this place? This article does not tell us how much buildings of the same size rent out for,so we can compare if this was "wasteful"? Also it could be that they needed to buy furniture and the budget it was only budgeted in the 2011-12 year, again too brief? sensational article that gets deserved responses as it is too brief to paint a complete picture. - 2011-08-04 15:40

      Michael..that was a joke dude. anyway, that R3m could build soooo many houses

      iamasouthafr - 2011-08-04 15:47

      @Michael - OK so read your first sentence again....

      Fired-up - 2011-08-04 15:48

      Nationalise the mines, I double dare you:)

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 15:50

      @ Michael - does this actually warrant a response... obviously I wasn't being serious about JZ or Juju. Obviously there is some serious corruption because no "clean" government would rent a building for 23 months with no actual use.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 16:04

      In keeping up with the times, Monopoly has renamed its "Get out of jail free" card with "ANC Membership" card...

      changeisGood - 2011-08-04 16:10

      I wonder what will happen with this one, as it involves a member of the ANC NEC, Mr. Jeff Radebe is a ANC heavy weight! it will be interesting to see the outcomes!

      The Wonderer - 2011-08-04 16:44

      This is FANTASTIC news!! :)

      Melanie Walsh - 2011-08-04 17:13

      @ Matt. I am a lessor. I would love a monthly income of R36 million Rands a month. The building has to be remarkable to earn that much rent. Logically not possible.

      Grant - 2011-08-04 18:52

      @Michael - for somebody picking on another's intelligence, you are pretty damn dumb yourself! Nobody will pay for rent for TWO YEARS and take TWO YEARS to rennovate a building, unless a) they are getting a spectacularly good rate, or b) it is imperative that that PARTICULAR site is secured. If this actual building is NOT specifically designed for this public works department, then they could easily find something else that is more readily usable. If however the building is highly specialised, and therefore worth the wait, then how many other tenants could possible need such a specialised utility? Mark my words - someone's connection is getting rich again off the back of his mate's corruption! Go SA go!!

      DW - 2011-08-05 16:50

      Michael, I work in the property industry. For R3.6m/month rental that is one fancy building, wherever it is. If they could wait 2 years for the building they could have had one built to their own specs and had the developer carry the costs until they needed to use it. In todays property market, landlords are DESPERATE for tenants. There is no such thing as having to secure it for 2 years for budgetary reasons. There is a new budget EVERY YEAR. Where is this department currently housed? So they are paying their current rent plus additional rent for 2 years while they sort out their "budgetary" issues. If this was YOUR business would you be happy with this wastage? Either you are not a taxpayer (Dont earn enough? A tenderpreneur who doesnt declare his income? A criminal who lives on his pickings? A taxi driver who isnt registered for tax? An ANC official who gets away with it?) or you are too stupid to realise that this IS your money that is being WASTED and STOLEN, which simply means that either the people who should have benefited from this tax money will now have to do without, or MORE taxes will have to be collected from the taxpayers to make up the difference. So you are not the brightest spark yourself, are you?

      pierreedge - 2011-08-05 18:40

      will this kind of information be deemed confidential after the new info bill? does it represent a threat to national security?

  • jakes - 2011-08-04 14:20

    VIVA ANC VIVA, Your future Your Downfall!! HAHAHA

      farmworker - 2011-08-04 14:55

      What can we do in this Country without Democratic Alliance (DA)

      Voyager - 2011-08-04 15:06

      Not much it seems.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-08-04 16:00


      DEVILS SON - 2011-08-04 16:03

      k1dbl4ck haha thats my line, i like it. two thumbs up

      farmworker - 2011-08-04 18:28

      Without Democratic Alliance(DA) we can leap forward and the country will be at peace

      Marius Rossouw - 2011-08-04 18:47

      farmworker, you the country will go to pieces?

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 21:39

      How is it possible to SIGN the LEASE, without PRE-OCCUPATION CLAUSES????? Thats when you tell the LANDLORD to change this, that and the other, PRIOR to you taking OCCUPATION!!! When the relevant changes, alterations etc has been completed... note COMPLETED, only then will the lease come into fruition and Monies passes hands... Which part is the DIFFICULT PART TO COMPREHEND???? Or was the said building LEASED from a CADRE /CRONY/ FELLOW STRUGGLE BUDDY???? Some one HAS TO take RESPONSIBILITY here... after all, it is NOT THEIR MONE YTHEY SQUANDERING!!!!!!!!! R84m................ FFS!!!!

      embargo - 2011-08-19 03:05

      @ Creeky: RESPONSIBILITY/ACCOUNTABILITY are two big words for 'we all know who' to understand as is becoming more and more obvious! Well said Jake, sad bit is if it isn't attended to soonest, with them shall we all expire as seen immediately to the north of our "CAN (not ANC) still be" prosperous country. The multiple reports of mismanagement can only be taxing our economy further and further until, the 'camel that broke the straw's back' happens. I don't want to see on which side of the face the HAHAHA will be then...

  • WhiteMalema - 2011-08-04 14:21

    Could it be that some of this money is chanelled to the likes of Julius?

      farmworker - 2011-08-04 14:49

      So Mr Malema is your role model, you even adopted his name. How sweet, perhaps you should consider Tattooing it.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 15:34

      @ farmworker - the only appropriate place to tattoo Malema is on your ringpiece, so you can sh1t on him every day

      WhiteMalema - 2011-08-04 16:16

      @farmworker: Tattooing is not my style. I am however slowly chiselling his name onto something I hope to soon be able to donate towards his funeral.....a tombstone!

      umhlopo - 2011-08-04 18:40

      farm workah has lost his goat again,he sleeps alone tonight

  • Charlie - 2011-08-04 14:21

    Does the corruption never end??? How many houses could have been built for the poor with this money...anc - the worst infliction on Africa! Where's malema to scream about this now... hypocrite!

      amdisgusted - 2011-08-04 14:48

      the ancorrupted government does not build houses, they build open outside toilets. For this amount they could have built completely new buildings.

  • ntsiki.mdeni - 2011-08-04 14:23

    I am not even going to comment! Mxim, I hate ANC!

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-04 14:38

      No no no no Ntsiki!! You must join the hatred que!! I was here first!!

      happygolucky - 2011-08-04 14:43

      lol @ Mandla

      BlogsEditor - 2011-08-04 15:02

      @Kunta-Kinte: Please refrain from using vulgar language. Your comment will be removed.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 16:01

      Just reported the BlogsEditor's comment because I find the sheer cheek and hypocrisy to be offensive...

  • Marcus Westin - 2011-08-04 14:23

    The owner of the building is obviously an ANC FAT CAT. Just another one of the thousands of corrupt dealings of the pathetic ANC government.

      DeonL - 2011-08-04 14:29

      It smells like "kickbacks" too.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-04 14:51

      This sounds like a job for Farreal!

      amdisgusted - 2011-08-04 14:55

      Could roux shabangu be the owner?

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-04 15:28

      Ooh I spelt Ferial incorrently. Sorry guys, ANC symptoms.

  • Mapunapuna - 2011-08-04 14:27


      Tonsil - 2011-08-04 14:34

      ANC must go

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-04 14:40

      the entire ANC must go

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-04 14:40

      and that includes the YL

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-04 14:58

      @The.SRG. You'll be suprised at the sudden improvements all parties will have if theres competition. Removal of the ANC is the first step. Who will lead will reveal itself to all of us.

      ANCockup - 2011-08-04 15:08

      Blogs editor must go!

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 15:37

      @ ANCockup - heck yeah, what a hypocrite!!! Moral of is: it's fine to promote racial hatred and religious intolerance, just don't use the F-word.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 15:53

      lol BlogsEditor evidently wasn't too happy with my pointing out that he/she is upset about vulgar language but OK with blasphemy, racial hatred, religious intolerance... and removed my point. Sorry bud, the truth hurts doesn't it...

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 21:43

      Tend to agree with you on that one @ Matt! Racial Hatred is the norm... Rape too!

  • ZA_R - 2011-08-04 14:34

    This is a joke!!!! RETARDS...every single one of them

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 15:38

      Especially BlogsEditor!

      Carbon - 2011-08-04 16:31

      Matt, get over yourself and stop acting like a child.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 16:37

      @ Carbon - come on! Kunta Kinte made two very good and valid points, but they were removed because BlogsEditor took offence to him/her including the F-word (but spelled differently). My own language isn't 100% perfect I admit, but I wouldn't want to see repeat swearing here either. However, look at the seriously hate-filled filth on this site. Look at the seriously offensive insults hurled at blacks, look at the various threatening comments towards whites, look at some seriously hateful comments regarding a whole host of issues. Those either don't get removed, or they get removed after X hours when the offence has been caused. Just as bad, when someone posts a comment that is considered blasphemous or offensive to a particular group of people, you can report it to the hilt and the offence remains regardless. May I not speak out about this???

  • Kevin King - 2011-08-04 14:34

    I agree with Kolobe and Polio, Helen Zille authorised all of these leases!

      Wizard101 - 2011-08-04 14:41


      Felix - 2011-08-04 14:45

      Having a sarcasm day are we :)

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-04 14:54


      Ian - 2011-08-04 14:56

      wow, so its offical the fat jelli tot has competition in retardation, didnt think it was possible to be more stupid the fatty but there we go

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 15:17

      Either you've lost half of your brain or you're being sarcastic. I'm going with the latter Kevin. Unfortunately I doubt very much whether the above mentioned names would get it.

      Kevin King - 2011-08-04 15:27

      Sorry guys its sarcasm. Whenever there is a story like this one, of proven corruption and mismanagement, these clowns (Polio and Kolobe) NEVER comment. I'm just trying hoping that oneday I can get a response.

      Totman - 2011-08-04 16:03

      @Kevin King. I red your comment wrong for a second. I thought that you suggested that the opposition should authorized a leas after the ruling party produce the short list. For JUST a MOMENT I though your comment was brilliant!!! What a disappointment.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 16:03

      @ Kevin - they're lost causes and only out to cause crap. Once I did a piece on how racism is really bad, people were keeping it clean, then Kolobe came along and messed everything up (I'd replace "messed" with something else but apparently the BlogsEditor if fine with repeated racial hatred but HATES mis-spelled F-words)

      Totman - 2011-08-04 16:04

      O yes, Kevin King. I know it was sarcasm on it's best :)

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-04 16:10

      Apparently you may need to add a ;-) behind a sarcastic comment, or else people don't always get it. I made a comment up above and a chap took the time to write an entire paragraph about how wrong I was... when clearly I was joking around. Oh well...

      Kevin King - 2011-08-04 16:17

      @ Matt: I wanna keep it as unsuspecting as possible in order to real them in. But I've realised that they will never comment where crime, corruption, nepotism etc has been proven against the ANC.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-04 18:41

      @Kevin King...apologies for my previous comment,i have deleted it as i now realize what you on about

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 21:46

      Matt... have you noticed that the Blog Monster REMOVES ALL your postings when he has it IN FOR YOU? But being a RACIST is acceptable... no matter how much you rant and rave... but say that "F" word.... and you are F***ED!(FLAKED) HAHAHAHAA!!!

  • Phaedioux - 2011-08-04 14:39

    There are different people/Depts. involved in this deal - The Justice Minister and a DG who is not mentioned. However, the Public Works Dept. is the common denominator in the deal. At the rental figure in excess of R3million per month and the fact that the building was not fit for purpose indicate that this was a very dodgy deal. Who is at fault now and is 'the usual subject' the landlord?

      Nkalakatha - 2011-08-04 14:52

      Roux Shabangu's building(s)??? Again ?? Here we go again !!!

  • nic - 2011-08-04 14:43

    THIS is why nationalisation is such a bad idea. These clowns don't care about wasting tax payers moeny. The private sector however will never allow this level on incompetence and negligence. If you work for a company in the private sector and you are THIS useless you will get fired. If you screw up like this in government you are NEVER held accountable.

      Dominic - 2011-08-04 15:42

      Democracy don't work here. Everything is broken.

  • Dave - 2011-08-04 14:46

    I wonder who owns the building??

      Marcell - 2011-08-04 14:54

      Take a wild guess?

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 15:29

      Probably someone whose name ryhmes with 'poo'.

      tryanything - 2011-08-04 16:22

      Give me the address and I can look it up for you...

  • ProfDoc18 - 2011-08-04 14:48


  • jock - 2011-08-04 14:50

    The whole top brass of our Govt.seem to be either hopeless at what they are doing or they are masters of corruption.The sad thing is the voters still support these crooks

  • Ian - 2011-08-04 14:52

    nothing new here, its the anc of course

  • Daemos1 - 2011-08-04 14:52

    We should export corruption and incompetence since we have so much to go around. We'd make a mint and we could pay for all these buildings cahs insteead of renting them

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-04 14:55

      or cash

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-04 15:00

      Is exporting corrupt and incompetent people really a saleable commodity? If so, I'm with you all the way - anything to diminish the ANC vote!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 15:21

      There does seem to be a big demand for it all over Africa.

  • JosephMkhize - 2011-08-04 14:53


      Totman - 2011-08-04 16:06

      X 2

  • R013 - 2011-08-04 14:53

    Seems about right.

  • GT - 2011-08-04 14:53

    Who owns the building, when was in purchased, when was the lease signed and who signed it. FOLLOW THE MONEY

      steven - 2011-08-04 15:34

      it will be just another investigation that will be re-investigated for years with no outcome or a golden handshake to those responsible.

  • Milian - 2011-08-04 14:55

    This just ruined my day!

      Dominic - 2011-08-04 16:20

      Then don't read what COSATU have just said about nationalisation.

  • AJ - 2011-08-04 14:55

    Tolerated, encouraged and rewarded.....

  • JustinD - 2011-08-04 15:02

    I wonder how many toilets could have been enclosed with that sort of cash? Mind you, with Jo lie ass getting the tender, probably only two or three.

  • Playnice - 2011-08-04 15:03

    And this incompetent bunch want to tell Swaziland and Botswana how to run their countries ???

  • keithy - 2011-08-04 15:03

    LOLOLOL. And who is getting the rental? Who authorised it? Accountability?

  • Gore - 2011-08-04 15:04

    I'm now immune to this, why are u all surprised? Next...!!!

  • Noeleen - 2011-08-04 15:06


  • Sean - 2011-08-04 15:08

    Poly? Kolobe? Tshepo? any ANC supporter?, your constructive comments?....anyone?

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 15:24

      You said constructive so it rules them all out.

  • AnakinStealth - 2011-08-04 15:09

    Only the supercorrupt will have a shady incomplete answer on this one.Who in the private sector leases a building that doesn't suit their needs and requirements AND waits at a leisurely pace (since the 1st.of Jan 2010) for the work to be completed (23x months to Nov 30,2011).I bet the contractors aren't exactly rushing to get the job finished either.Maybe they are installing super-secure safes there to hide all their secrets in-each floor will need it's own 5x secure safes.And the tinted one-way windows must only be the best,I mean this can't be a cheapskate facility,it's for our very own MIB.

  • Showahed - 2011-08-04 15:10

    This deal may be questionable, but more so, who this building belongs to and where the money is channeled to. 99% likely some buddy of some ANC idiot. It just works like that nowadays in the banana republic. Same stunts as Mugapie...owns all the farm himself. So the DA should dig deeper....

  • umlaut - 2011-08-04 15:12

    Why don't we get the Swazi king to come and rule SA--he will do a better job than the anc--the anc will take 20 years to bankrupt SA--the king will take 2 months. LETS GET IT OVER AND DONE WITH--THIS EFFORT TO TRY AND SAVE sa FROM THE CORRUPTIONEERS WON'T WORK.

  • sipholess - 2011-08-04 15:13

    Priceless !!!!!! lol

  • IC1 - 2011-08-04 15:14

    Wonder if Roux Shabangu owns this building also?

  • Straightdeal - 2011-08-04 15:15

    Imagine how many soup kitchens you could have run on that money every month.

  • george60 - 2011-08-04 15:16

    Well the honourable Jeff Radebe must bite the bullet AND be fired for this. Is there anything that the goverment of the day can honestly say I am proud to serve my country? Just shows you that the ANC is rotten all over!!!

      pothead - 2011-08-24 12:11

      yes,he should be fired,but where do you 'transfer" him to? there are no more government departments that needs to be "screwed up"!

  • Noeleen - 2011-08-04 15:17


      pothead - 2011-08-24 12:23

      noleen,his words were "you should multiply so that we can liberate the whole of africa" - was said at an ancyl rally aka circus - now we know what he was doing during his woodwork classes! our youth are being encouraged to have babies - get rid of the grant system and rather encourage them not to have babies - give those youth grants that can finish school without having children!

  • Daemos1 - 2011-08-04 15:18

    This just pisses me off and we have real problems in this country but we'll never get to address them as a nation because our politicians keep muddying the water and we end up fighting amongst each other? Our government is depressing

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-04 15:32

      Digression and diversion is the only way they operate - anything to take the attention away from where ir should be concentrated. None of the corruption cases that have appeared, or are due to appear in court have ever completed satisfactorily. Those where convictions were given have all ended after a very short period (i.e. Yengeni, Shaik). McBride still hasn't been sentenced and the Selebi case has not yet reached a conclusion. The Kebble murder and the Agliotti drug case have all just 'fizzled out'. No-one ever appears to have been guilty! This enquiry will probably end the same way - on Zuma's desk until it is 'lost'.

  • eloffjnr - 2011-08-04 15:24

    They don't give a $h!t because it's OUR money they are wasting!

  • Gavin - 2011-08-04 15:26

    The way the government carries on it's like they have an endless supply of money to just p into the wind !!

  • crocodile - 2011-08-04 15:32

    the company is said to be owend by Mr Roux Shabangu 30% Mahlangu Nkabinde and the 10% of the proceeds go to good cause through A TRUST managed by one Mr J Malima.

  • aglew - 2011-08-04 15:33

    Hmmmm...gotta ask - wonder who owns the building ?

  • iamasouthafr - 2011-08-04 15:33

    So whats new! If Cele can do it so can we.

  • Agent - 2011-08-04 15:34

    And it belongs to Who???????

  • aglew - 2011-08-04 15:34

    Hmmmmmmm....gotta ask - wonder who owns the building ?

  • Gavin - 2011-08-04 15:38

    Whatever happened to the money generated by the plastic packet tax ?

  • letsee - 2011-08-04 15:39

    It's OK if the owner of the building is not white else the racist owner must be taught a lesson to remember

  • Fired-up - 2011-08-04 15:40

    These are the very same people that want to nationalise the mines:) We thought we were different from the rest of Africa when in fact it is only a matter of time. The pity is that it is the politicians and not the people. Imagine we still had nuclear capabilities, the US made a good call by not letting the ANC take control of this.

  • Iron John - 2011-08-04 15:41

    This is not wasteful spending. This is fraud. Simple. I've seen first hand how this works. Malema probably taught Zuma and Radebe how to do it.

  • skywalker10701 - 2011-08-04 15:41

    What should also be investigated is into whose pockets the rent money disappeared to - some ANC cadre or a friend of a friend?

  • willieman - 2011-08-04 15:42

    Arrest the min and send him to jail,this is what we call BBEE

  • stephen scott - 2011-08-04 15:43

    well the building might be empty but someone's pocket ain't,