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SA considers tit-for-tat UK visa rules

2013-05-19 19:40

Johannesburg - Frustrated by Britain's apparent reluctance to lift its visa requirements for South Africans, government is considering playing tit-for-tat and demanding the same from UK visitors.

This comes against the backdrop of the British government’s decision to halt development aid to South Africa worth £19m (R271m) from 2015.

Home Affairs Minister Naledi Pandor told MPs that there had been "no movement" after talks between the two nations.

"We had been given a promise that following the [London] Olympics, there would be a focus on whether this visa requirement can be lifted.

"There hasn't been any movement and I think the time has come for us to consider reciprocity."

Pandor was responding in a debate on her department’s budget vote in Parliament.

South Africa's visa-free status was revoked in 2009 amid concerns about corruption within home affairs and the ease with which foreign nationals could get South African passports.

The change affected thousands of South Africans suddenly confronted with steep fees to obtain visas to visit friends and family, and to do business, in the UK.

Diplomatic and official passport holders also have to apply for visas, making for cumbersome administration ahead of government visits.

It costs about R1 180 for a short-term visitor's visa for the UK.

In the wake of the new visa regime being implemented, home affairs redesigned the South African passport with new security features and introduced a more stringent issuing process.

Home affairs Director General Mkuseli Apleni claimed in February that the South African passport "cannot be forged".

Gary Benham, the head of communications at the British High Commission in Pretoria, told City Press that there had been "dialogue with the South African authorities since 2009", and that this was continuing.

"The issue was not so much whether or not the passport could be forged. It was more about people entering Britain on South African passports when they themselves were not South African citizens.

"There are concerns that South African passports are available to people who are not entitled to them."

If government decides to implement a reciprocal visa regime, UK visitors - including government officials and diplomats - would have to apply for visas.

The UK is South Africa's biggest overseas tourism market, and growing.


 

Comments
  • PointBlank - 2013-05-19 19:49

    They were very quick to slap the visa requirement, but they certainly dragging their feet in lifting it. All while East Europeans are flooding into the UK on all kinds of dodgy documents...

      Gary Guy - 2013-05-19 19:57

      What the East Europeans are doing is not relevant. It is like saying it is ok for our Government to steal taxpayers money because the apartheid government also did wrong things. The truth of the matter is that it is easy for a non-South African to get an SA ID and passport! There are thousands of non SA's carrying SA passports and you cant blame the UK for that.

      Walter Tgsa - 2013-05-19 19:59

      The Eastern Europeans are part of the EU, and South Africa is not, quite simple?

      SharonE - 2013-05-19 20:02

      They warned SA 2 years before they imposed the visa requirements, and if they are reluctant to lift it, then they would probably be right - home affairs is a mess. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/266934

      Rodney Bevan - 2013-05-19 20:52

      Point blank, don't be a moron. The Bulgarians, Romanians etc. are part of the EU and they are entitled to enter any EU country. The ANC government only has itself to blame, tighten passport controls, stop corruption and there would be no problem. Or are you part of the problem?

      Jane Longmuir - 2013-05-19 21:53

      @Gary, sorry would have to clarify your comment about it being easy for non-South Africans to obtain an SA passport or ID. It may be easy for some but certainly not for others, I have to jump through hoops to be allowed to stay here for a few years and not be permitted to work, so I most definitely would not be granted an SA passport much as I might like one! Unfortunately the UK has had its fingers burned so now all South Africans have to suffer, it's the usual thing of the few ruining it for the many, who abide by the rules :(

      Richard Trevenan Holman - 2013-05-19 21:54

      So we back in the school yard? He does this so we'll do that etc. They did it for good reason. Fix that issue and they'll lift it. Ignorance at the highest level. Go get an education!!

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-19 22:28

      This is a welcome move, we should have implemented this a long time ago for visitors from all countries. We also don't want the riffraff coming in here.

      Francois Smith - 2013-05-20 00:11

      R 10 says that SA will loose in the long run. Only one taker. Ahava, great call - maybe we should start by making the borders less porous and get the riffraff that easily get here via that to go back? I doubt whether any citizen of the UK of GB and NI comes here via anything else than a plane.

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-20 00:36

      Lose what, tourists, I doubt that. Look at the bigger picture, don't let your minds be clouded by anti ANC or anti government sentiment. Be patriotic, believe in fixing something that's broken.

      simon.templer.549 - 2013-05-20 04:00

      And there is now evidence that al qaeda has training camps in SA. How can anyone expect visa requirements from SA to be scrapped?

      Themba Mazibuko - 2013-05-20 07:03

      What a joke - We have Foreign nationals flooding over our borders and we want to get visas for European visitors - Lol. Our government must close down the Al Qaeda terrorist training camps , reduce crime and improve tourism before we start dictating who is a more acceptable visitor to our land.

      Mattewis Kat - 2013-05-20 07:35

      @Jane You're thinking along legal lines. If you're willing to part with some cash, you can obtain a valid SA ID document under any name of your choice. Ask any informed Zimbabwean/Mozambican. They entered the country illegally and will definitely not bother about legalities when "applying" for an ID document.

      Debbie du Plessis - 2013-05-20 08:38

      RSA Gov cant afford to play "tit-for-tat" we not in same financial league especially with this greedy gov - loosing the UK tourists at a spend rate of 1 GBP to R13.50, SA would loose big time & the over-burdened tax payer would be screwed by this gov even more!

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-05-20 08:50

      @JD, correction - when De Klerk released Mandela South Africa was on the verge of an economic collapse and a full blown civil war. Former Minister of Foreign Affairs (Pik Botha) said military-wise the apartheid government could have survived for another 10 years or so, but economic-wise it would have collapsed much earlier. I'm talking verifiable facts here while you're talking nonsense.

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-20 08:55

      Anyone sharing JD Welbachs views should save themselves and leave South Africa. Why put yourself through all of what you predict?

      Malcolm Stevens - 2013-05-20 08:59

      There is a lack of governance in Home Affairs and rampant corruption, allowing non-South Africans to get SA passports issued to them. There is insurmountable evidence supporting this and until this is resolved, the UK will not trust a South African passport on face value. Eastern Europeans are not entering the UK on forged papers - they are entering hidden in trucks at Calais; this is vastly different.

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-05-20 09:02

      @JD, to verify this please contact Prof. Sampie Terblance at the University of Stellenbosch. Better still, read at least one of his books (I have read all of them). He is professor of economics and was part of the Afrikaner academics that were engaged in secrete negotiations with the ANC. Also speak to the leaders of the MEC complex (Minerals Energy Complex to make it easier for you because otherwise you'd lost) such as the Rupperts, Oppenheimers, etc. You may also want to speak to Prof. Bond at UKZN or Dr Forslund of the Alternative Information and Development Centre in Cape Town. JD, you need to stop your racist drivel and stick to facts.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-20 09:09

      This is retarded! I'm all for tit for tat here considering the hell we go through for visa's. But lets be honest here. So because of what,a sore wound/bruised ego, now we decide its a good idea to bluff with one of the only things keeping us going!? - Tourism. By doing this, South Africa is playing with fire as far as our tourist influx goes. We need them here spending there money. its simple. We go there less,and dont nearly spend close to as much. so why is that bad? we dont go there and feed their economy,only them feeding us. Think twice before making any rash statements or actions i think =/

      Els Bellefroid - 2013-05-20 09:09

      I agree with you.... why should East Europeans have easy access to the UK, but SA has to apply and pay. We were a British Colony. The British looted this country of its mineral wealth, and now they want us to pay. Our culture was influenced by the British... What link does the British have with the Romanians?

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-05-20 09:22

      @Matthew, I agree with you. But the Nigerians did this when SA imposed a R5,000 visa deposit to reduce the number of Nigerians coming into the country. Nigeria promptly imposed the same requirements on South Africans visiting Nigeria. In addition, visa requirements are usually bilateral.

      Jane Longmuir - 2013-05-20 09:25

      @Mattewis Kat You are absolutely right, however, you can bet your bottom dollar, if I tried to do something illegal and was found out, I would be treated far more harshly than some :(. It is just not in my interest or nature to obtain something by dishonesty. I would love to be able to stay here indefinitely but unfortunately that's just not how it works!!!

      Pierre De Villiers - 2013-05-20 09:31

      Interesting how South Africans would side against South Africa at any opportunity, even if it is South Africans getting a raw deal. We had problems with entry into England long before the VISA requirements. There was a time when “British Agents” would prevent people with a valid return ticket, from even checking into UK bound flights from the then Johannesburg International. People would just be removed from the check-in queue with very little explanation. Till today I do not know how that could have been allowed. I have been in England once, was treated like dirt at customs with absolutely no provocation and I have never been back. I have been to Europe mainland many times, and hopefully they will still be friendly to South African visitors when I go again. I only travel to countries were I feel welcome and England is not one of them.

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-05-20 09:49

      @Pierre, you're spot on. South Africans are probably the most unpatriotic people in the whole world. We suffer from low self esteem. Always criticizing ourselves. We actually spite ourselves. Really unheard of.

      Geoff Liddiard - 2013-05-20 09:57

      The reason we have to get visas to go to the UK is because SA plays fast and loose with issuing passports to its friends some who also use SA for terror training camps (recent news story). The Guptas landing at an Air Force base is also an example of what money can buy you in SA. An SA passport is small potatoes!

      Jane Longmuir - 2013-05-20 12:01

      @Pierre Sorry you had problems at Customs in the UK, however, you are not alone, I've experienced it too......one of the reasons I don't go back very often. Having said that, my son had a really hard time going through Cape Town Immigration in February courtesy of Home Affairs not getting off their backsides and renewing his visa which had already been paid for but which after 5 months was still not forthcoming. To say they were abusive was an understatement :( @Els Well Romania is part of the EU now, rightly or wrongly, so they are allowed, but that's another story. Anyway it's swings and roundabouts...my daughter is going to India and as a UK passport holder it is going to cost us R1000, however, SA passport holders pay R48 due, I imagine, to BRICS. I could complain about that, but there's no point, we just have to get on with it!!!

      Heibrin Venter - 2013-05-20 12:51

      So here is what I need explained: why not simply fix what is broken (the Home Affairs department) and the UK will drop its requirement. Simple. Once again, our lovely government, fixing symptoms, instead of fixing causes.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-20 12:56

      @ Linds: Oh okay,didnt know about that. But if think on it,its not really a train smash considering its Nigeria (with all due respect). They dont pump money into us as much if at all? (anyone,correct me if wrong) And from my own opinion,they come here for crime (Nigerian mafia) and what not.so in the end,thats actually quite fine =P haha,but i get what you mean =)

      Kusile Ndobe - 2013-05-20 13:45

      Nigerians and other african countries are part of the AU as well guys, what do you have to say about that

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-05-20 13:52

      @Matthew, once again you may be right. But Nigeria has a population three times ours. It provides a huge market for SA companies. So we do need good trade relations with them. For example they send blood samples to be analysed by South African companies. Besides, they're the second biggest economy in Africa.

      Keith van Swelm - 2013-05-20 14:18

      I have no problem with the UK visa requirement and understand the necessity, as is the case with the US. I do however object to high cost of a UK visa

      Boaz Yarmarkov - 2013-05-20 14:34

      They will not lift the Visa ban because of the Al-Qaeda training camps in SA & our inadequately organised home affairs... “Anyone-can-get-a-passport – its-just-a-matter-of-price” policy. This was the same reason we lost it in the first place - they just kept this away from the public. http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Al-Qaeda-training-camps-in-SA-report-20130513

      Im-Tired - 2013-05-20 16:43

      They onky make a stink because that's R271m less that they can put in their pockets .

      Cassandra - 2013-05-20 23:48

      There's a very real political will in Britain to sort the eastern European illegal immigration rubbish sorted out. Check your facts before you activate your fingers, china. PS. Show me the political will in SA to do anything other than blame somebody else for the problems you create whilst at the same time enriching yourselves at somebody else's expense.

  • Mathata Fela - 2013-05-19 19:49

    ...and this will bother the UK how?

      TinavoMagaisa - 2013-05-19 19:52

      It will. Brits love to travel to sunny Africa

      Scouter Four-One - 2013-05-19 20:11

      @Tina that's the problem with your type - SA is not the only country on the continent to offer what tourist mostly look for. They'll just go elsewhere as suggested by their travel agents .... and SA once again, shoots itself in the foot thanks to ANC incompetence.

      Staci Turnbull - 2013-05-19 20:16

      all its going to do is bother our tourism, sadly

      Ken O'Connell - 2013-05-19 20:54

      It'll ruin the tourism industry. Maybe that is what thy are aiming for, the mainstay of the WP economy!

      Rodney Bevan - 2013-05-19 21:02

      Tina, if that were true, why are the ANC so bothered about visas going to Britain? You need a visa to get into the US and most other countries, why does the ANC not threaten those countries with the same thing? If the ANC really believe a tit for tat with Britain will work, then they are even bigger tits than I thought.

      Sheik Mohammad - 2013-05-19 21:54

      TinavoMagaisa.........I for one won't pay to come to South Africa. Example:- Hillbrow in the 70's and 80's was not the dump it is today. Johannesburg is littered with rubbish, compared to London where 12 million people stay and visit. Your game parks are the only attraction, but the Far East are quickly putting pay to that.

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:32

      They will stop coming, there are many nice sunny African countries @ half the price.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-20 09:25

      Els Bellefroid. Ever heard of the European Union?. That is how the Romanians, and not you, can settle in Britain.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-20 09:29

      TinavoMagaisia. Don't be naive, most of the British go to Southern Europe or the Caribbean for their holidays.

      Pierre De Villiers - 2013-05-20 09:37

      Scouter Four-One - What exactly do you mean by "your type"? I have news for you. The English look at you in the same way as they look at anybody else from South Africa. Don’t think they will treat you any better just because you hate South Africa and try to buddy-up to them. They will treat you like dirt like anybody else.

      PeterJohn - 2013-05-20 11:10

      over 500 000 british tourists visit South Africa, every year.

      Heibrin Venter - 2013-05-20 13:00

      @Pieter: personally I think it's just you, buddy. Lived in the UK for nearly ten years, then moved my consultancy back to SA to take care of family. NEVER felt treated like 'dirt', made excellent friends from all over. Then again, this was in 2000, before SA's international image went south.

      Heibrin Venter - 2013-05-20 13:03

      @Peter: and that's what most of the people don't realize: if we lose even 10% of that, in general, with each person spending a R1000 (which is jokingly low), then that's R50 million lost. All because they can't (won't?) fix Home Affairs.

  • Hans Onrust - 2013-05-19 19:49

    Are there really millions of 'illegals' in SA via via looking for free NHS ? What's going on there ?

      Ken O'Connell - 2013-05-19 20:59

      Hey, a few years ago I met a guy whose plan was to fly to the UK on a Family Permit. His brother (who ow lived in England) had got him a job there. The plan was to work for four weeks and get sacked then end up on the dole and social welfare. Before anybody asks, he wasn't black, or brown, or Asian.... Yes, of course I informed the consulate.

      Rodney Bevan - 2013-05-19 22:20

      Doesn't work like that, you need to work at least 6 months and if you resign or are sacked, you have to wait 60 days before you can claim, whether or not you are a citizen.

      Erich Goosen - 2013-05-20 07:45

      I think it will be silly for our government to act in a tit for tat manner. The UK was forced by corrupt officials to resort to visa requirements. This step could adversely effect tourism. Rather address the root cause and eradicate corruption of our officials.

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:34

      It has nothing to do with the NHS, more with terrorists getting hold of SA passports through corrupt officials. Remember the Al Shabaab guys that got killed - all with SA passports.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-20 09:34

      Ken O'Donnell. This happens in all northern European Countries. In Holland there is a big stink about Romanians and Poles milking the system. Eventually all these countries will make it more difficult for people to settle there. The U.K. is more vulnerable because people are allowed to apply for unemployment soon after arriving there. All these loopholes are being done away with and it is about time.

      Boaz Yarmarkov - 2013-05-20 15:27

      It’s not the "illegals" that the UK is worried about, it’s the Al-Qaeda training camps they are very much worry about.

  • Willem de Haan - 2013-05-19 19:50

    So, the lightweight wants to challenge the heavyweight? Vat hom, Flaffie!

      Mattewis Kat - 2013-05-20 07:41

      Yes, Willem. Just take a look at Naledi's mugshot posted in this article. I don't think she need bother applying for MENSA membership!

      TheJaydedKing - 2013-05-20 07:46

      They not heavyweights, they thieves.

  • Midnite Man - 2013-05-19 19:56

    UK visitors to Sa spend money and contribute to the economy- no need for a visa !!

  • Kevin Baker - 2013-05-19 19:58

    Candor stop worrying about 'tit for tat' and sort your useless, incompetent corrupt departments out. What clowns you bunch are.

      Marc Ross - 2013-05-20 07:51

      Well in a "tit-for-tat" relation we know who the "tit" is. Pandor.

  • Walter Tgsa - 2013-05-19 19:58

    Great idea, not that South Africa needs tourism (and the income), of course. I guess the reason why the UK is not lifting the visa requirements is due to the many forged South African passports, correct? And that South African passports cannot be forged, what a joke. It appears that ALL passports can be forged, the Minister cannot honestly believe what she is saying..

  • SharonE - 2013-05-19 19:58

    I have a much better idea! Why doesn't Home Affairs sort out its problems, and then the UK will lift its restrictions!! They did not impose them because of a personal vendetta against SA, they imposed them because they were finding illegal immigrants from all over Africa in the UK with SA passports. Really, it is not that complicated!

      Jeremy Forbes - 2013-05-20 00:24

      More importantly, they found that terrorists were entering the UK via SA and using the automatic six months visa to create cells within the UK. It is that serious. You cannot take a government seriously who claim that SA is a safe place alongside passports that cannot be forged. It is a life or death situation for UK residents and not so for SA.

  • Ivan Marsh - 2013-05-19 19:58

    I can understand the position of the UK as there is a perception, and with merit, that SA passports can still be acquired by devious means. The security measures built into a passport are meaningless if corrupt officials are prepared to prepared to fraudulently provide a genuine document to a non qualifying recipient. As regards reciprocating, can we afford to do this when we so urgently need to grow tourism to our country? Might just be cutting off our own noses....

  • Mahomed Dawjee - 2013-05-19 19:58

    When a pakistani enters the country. 1st step marry a poor black girl. 2nd step pay her 500 a month to stay married. 3rd step apply for non citizen I'd. 4th step apply for citizenship. 5th step get givorced. I reall don't blame the uk for doing this to us

      Cindy Naude - 2013-05-21 09:54

      Mahomed, nowadays they don't even follow the 5 step programme, there's a shorter version...1) find a corrupt government official 2) pay over a fair amount of moola 3) receive your id & passport faster than ANY SA Citizen can ever dream to!

  • Democrazy - 2013-05-19 20:00

    Didn't this happen in Zimbabwe not long ago? See how their currency fell to a wheelbarrow load of notes!

      Kusile Ndobe - 2013-05-20 14:51

      It fell because of sanctions

  • Craig Wilson - 2013-05-19 20:01

    ja heavy weights... the british are so fit....everyone wears matching adidas tracksuit and pants while pushing a stroller! shaa uup!!

  • Chris Du Preez - 2013-05-19 20:04

    we need the pound sterling. the UK doesnt need the ZAR... shooting ourselves in the foot again!

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:37

      @Jamba, no they only provided money for AIDS/HIV programmes, food programmes and all sorts of other things that helped SA citizens in poor areas.

  • Danie Malan - 2013-05-19 20:05

    Poor administration backfired on the government (what did they expect?) and SA tourists to the UK have to bite the bullet. Get your house in order Pandor(a)!

  • thozi - 2013-05-19 20:15

    ...and allow the Guptas to fly from South Africa and land at the British Airbase? Just kidding, they don't allow that sort of thing in the UK...

  • Werner Nel - 2013-05-19 20:15

    Tit for tat because of incompetence!

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-19 20:16

    Everybody together now... B A N A N A - R E P U B L I C ! ! !

      BJ Pieman - 2013-05-19 20:44

      They're not a republic, they have a queen.

      Pierre De Villiers - 2013-05-20 09:45

      Good one BJ :-)

  • Bennie Vd Westhuizen - 2013-05-19 20:18

    yes yes go madam anc and prez z lets chase away the visitors bringing money into this country so that there is more spacefor the poor illegail visitors crossing our borders from the east and north - it was fairly common why brittain requested visas from us - too easy to duplicate and very cheap to buy in Hillbrow

  • Richard Scully - 2013-05-19 20:21

    The UK doesn't give a shot what a little banana republic says or does

  • Logic - 2013-05-19 20:43

    So they plan at getting back at the UK for not paying them money that they do not need by diminishing SAs tourist trade? wow they are such idiots

      Sheik Mohammad - 2013-05-19 22:03

      With at name you should work for SA government......you'll be the first bit of LOGIC they'll have.

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:38

      LOL shooting themselves in the foot I tell ya!!!Here comes more unemployment courtesy of cANCer!!!

  • Garrick Dunstan - 2013-05-19 20:44

    Yeah let's cut our nose off to spite our face and destroy the tourism industry pandor why don't we VOTE DA

      Motlalepula Matshwe - 2013-05-19 23:26

      who is stopping you.You dimwit this is not a lobbying forum for DAsh

  • Mohamed Feroz - 2013-05-19 20:46

    Well Done ,they should have thought about this years ago ! What about the Zimbo's walking across into our country and the Gupta's landing as they please with no border control ! Show dem Naledi Show dem

      Gideon Arma Gideyan Kanengoni - 2013-05-19 20:54

      Bull

      David Madisha - 2013-05-19 20:59

      Hit hard Naledi,they think they r above everything

      Richard Scully - 2013-05-19 21:30

      Yeah Naledi, you can beat dem damn queen people, dey so stoopid

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:40

      We need visas for all African countries, even up here our passports are viewed with suspicion. You have the wrong end of the stick. Al Shabaab terrorists were found with SA passports in Somalia. The real thing, obtained from corrupt Home Affairs officials. Cannot believe that you are happy with something like that.

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-20 08:59

      Mossad guys where also caught with Australian passports, if someone wants a passport from any country bad enough, they will be able to get it.

  • KevinKing - 2013-05-19 20:47

    South Africa should not be given 1 cent of aid. Rather give it to poor countries

      Sheik Mohammad - 2013-05-19 22:05

      They gave enough to build Zuma another Homestead..........looks like the Brits show through that one.

  • PeterJohn - 2013-05-19 20:48

    I lived in the UK for 7 years and it should be noted that Brits are by design the adventurous and traveling sort. There are many, many destinations that Brits need visa's for and this does not deter travel. South African's who can afford to travel to the UK can generally also afford the R1180 fee for a short-term visa. It's in an inconvenience to us and an unfair one at that. Home Affairs has since complied and so these negotiations should reach a point. In the meantime, I'm afraid - I agree with the Minister. If the UK is that reluctant to lift our visa status, then it's only right they should be subjected to same.

      Paul Senosi - 2013-05-19 22:11

      Peter John you are unfortunately right :) Those travellers who love SA as a destination will come here irrespective of Visa requirements. It is what the country has to offer which compels the weary soul to board that plane and make for our beautiful shores. So yes there is a lot of political and diplomatic wrangling playing itself out in the background, but meanwhile life will go on, SA will remain part of Southern Africa and the direct socio-economic effects of the region with all its perceived gloom and doom will be a part of our development and growth. WE will learn and become better at this with time :) We should have implemented the same policy the same week as the Islanders introduced theirs, but it is never too late

      PeterJohn - 2013-05-19 22:18

      I absolutely agree. I have travelled extensively and there is nothing worse than having to cue at a foreign mission and being subjected to interrogations stopping short of blood and urine samples, whilst Australians and New Zealanders receive come whistling past you. I'm sorry - but I did quite a bit of work for the FCO when I lived in London and though South Africa was indeed on the list of high risk visa nations, there were other countries who still enjoyed Visa free travel (Brazil et al) who were and continue to be MUCH higher immigration risk's than South Africa who has an efficient deportee receiving system in place for those times when our citizens do offend. The terrorism risk is one that has been much mitigated of late. This is unfair, unwarranted and should be repealed at once. It places us in the same category of countries such as Afghanistan and Pakistan - no matter what anyone wants to say, we are somewhat better off than those nations.

      Wesley Gold - 2013-05-20 06:44

      Peter, open your eyes, if we have terrorist training camps, funders & facilitators in SA how can you say that we are much better off than those nations? And now that they (terrorists) know that SA is turning a blind eye more will spring up. Its a serious problem and needs to be addressed!

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:45

      Brits certainly do not need a visa for the EU (obivously), US, Africa, OZ (obviously), India, UAE etc. This is not because they do not like us, it is because Al Shabaab terrorists were found with SA passports, the real thing sold to them by corrupts Home affairs officials.

      Els Bellefroid - 2013-05-20 09:26

      I had to waste my time reading through the comments of many disgruntled South Africans who never travel, before I got to your comment which makes sense! Thre's three other African countries who did the same. If a UK citizen wants to travel to Mozambique, the pay the same price... and this didn't reduce the amount of UK citizens travelling to Moz!

      PeterJohn - 2013-05-20 11:04

      @Bibi you are WRONG! Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_British_nationals. MOST African nations require british passport holders to have a visa prior to arrival, with some allowing for visa ON arrival. Incidentally, British passport holders DO require a visa for India and Pakistan.

  • Sarel Claassens - 2013-05-19 20:48

    Funny ha ha

  • Kosie Nel - 2013-05-19 20:54

    They will take their tourist money to friendlier African countries!

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:41

      And less violent ones too!!!Namibia,Uganda,Tanzania and Malawi come to mind!!! ;-)

  • Julio Sanfona - 2013-05-19 20:54

    And again a not very smart move by another South African minister. Instead of jacking up the issuing of South African passports the minister retaliates with stupidity.

  • Julio Sanfona - 2013-05-19 20:55

    And again a not very smart move by another South African minister. Instead of jacking up the issuing of South African passports the minister retaliates with stupidity.

  • Adrian van der Merwe - 2013-05-19 20:55

    Foreigners should not worry about visas, just enter the country at any military airport and get escorted by the blue light brigade!!! BANANA REPUBLIC!!!

  • JamesMWood - 2013-05-19 20:57

    Same should apply to americants! They don't require visas either but make us jump through hoops to get a visa for usa!

  • Joe Marshe Push - 2013-05-19 20:59

    Any moegoe can obtain a S.A. passport,thanks to our corrupt Home Affairs. I don't blame the UK for wanting SA citizens to apply for a visa.

      Khwezi Shange - 2013-05-20 08:12

      u talk like SA is the only corrupt country in regards to their home affairs. It really isnt

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-20 09:03

      Anyone can obtain a passport from any country if you want it bad enough, just look at all the "rouge" intelligence agents from many different countries that are being caught all over the world.

  • Lynn Syme - 2013-05-19 21:00

    South Africa will shoot themselves in the foot! Idiots. Tourists will get frustrated with the delays (African time) and head off to the Seychelles and other parts of Sub Saharan Africa that do not require visas. Simple really.

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-19 21:02

    Don't we just looovvee the way cANCer embrace the pariah and despotic across the globe.

  • Nettie Potgieter - 2013-05-19 21:04

    Hahaha as if the UK need SA! Yes to cut your nose is to spite your face!

  • Mlungisi Phaks Phakathi - 2013-05-19 21:20

    We are no longer a colony, why should it be easy for them to come here while it is difficult for SA citizens to go visit their relatives in Britain, I think those with families in the UK will agree. I think this is a logical strategy, home affairs has improved significantly from the mess it was not so long ago, but more still needs to be done, not to please the British but for the protection of our citizens, we simply cant afford to have people from other countries getting our passports if they dont deserve them.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2013-05-19 21:24

      Our country like Zimbabwe is corrupt. The western world does not trust us and they are right.

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:47

      Other African countries do not even trust our passports.

      PeterJohn - 2013-05-20 22:42

      Bibi - with respect, do you have ANY idea how foreign policy actually works? Your comments here suggest that you do not. Whether or not you require a visa to visit a foreign country is dependent on much more than just the security of your passport. We need visa's for other African countries as many of them need visa's to visit us. This is determined by immigration risk, security risk, economic flight risk etc etc etc. Also, something else you should be made aware of, our new passports are AS secure as biometric passports. In fact, it's been proven that biometric passports, with the right intelligence, can just as easily be corrupted.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2013-05-19 21:22

    A government with stupid intentions. A lot of childish behaviour.

  • Callum Clarke - 2013-05-19 21:26

    Lol ummmm doesn't SA need the UK more then vice versa.. So she'll basically be stopping money coming in to SA... Hahaha

      Pieter van Zyl - 2013-05-19 21:34

      Well, I don't think having to pay for visa's will stop them coming here... they'll just pay them and that's it. If the crime doesn't stop them... as long as visas get processed quickly enough...

      Pieter van Zyl - 2013-05-19 21:34

      Well, I don't think having to pay for visa's will stop them coming here... they'll just pay them and that's it. If the crime doesn't stop them... as long as visas get processed quickly enough...

  • Zelda Dickson - 2013-05-19 21:28

    South African criminals go over to Britain and then cause havoc. Why should they aid South Africa when there s blatant discrimination.

  • Zelda Dickson - 2013-05-19 21:30

    Brits are nuts to come here with the crime rate. Plenty of other countries with sun

      Khwezi Shange - 2013-05-19 21:44

      u should head on over there too. we dnt need negative South Africans. U r part of the problem

      Michael Wilson - 2013-05-20 11:16

      I think that people who immediately say 'leave then' as soon as anyone criticizes anything, even with justification, are far more part of the problem. Like closing your eyes, blocking your ears and going nah nah naaah.

  • Richard Scully - 2013-05-19 21:32

    We could sure use more high balling Zimbabwean tourists. Perhaps we could ask British Airways to go to Harare instead so they don't have to swim the L

  • Tolene Vd Merwe - 2013-05-19 21:33

    This will kill tourism one of the largest industries in SA and the UK being one of the biggest visitor. This government is so short sighted and childish, sort the problem out and the UK will play along!!! Going tit-for-tat will certainly NOT make the UK jump and lift the ban!!!!!! Dumb&£ss

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:45

      Very immature decision at its best, spiteful to say the least yet the only ones getting punishment would be people working in the Tourism Industry I hope Pandor is proud of herself she just increased unemployment by 15-25 percent!!!

  • Shaun Mangasi - 2013-05-19 21:33

    Good , they need to work on their rotten teeth before they come here.

  • Makhosonke Nkosi - 2013-05-19 21:47

    All of your comments reflect, how much that still needs to be done with regards to your racist minds, as if the west is everything. I say let there be reciprocity, corruption or no corruption, what does it got to do with VISA issue? They too are corrupt, but because they control the media, you get to only hear what they want you to hear. I visited Italy in 2009, the one thing I was told over and over is that there are places that I may not walk at certain times of the day, due to crime, but you don't get to read about it anywhere do you? It's time for Africa. Let them go to Seychelles, Mauritius and everywhere they please, it's not like those Islands can offer anything near a true South African experience. If our government is all that you say it is, why are you still around, when you can go anywhere else in the so called civilised countries, I forgot, some of you are from there already and have noticed South Africa is among the best countries to live in.

      Richard Scully - 2013-05-19 22:12

      I guess you went to Italy because the UK wouldn't give you a visa, so you're a bit miffed. I would be too if I was you

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:51

      Listen Makhosane, who is going to pay the heavier price???British tourists or your fellow South Africans working in Hotels,Nature reserves, etc???Pandor ought to Ponder on tht one for a while before behaving like a childish brat. And another thing stop calling every form of criticism racism its a dead horse already and like I said S.Africans are going to pay a higher price.....Higher Unemployment=Poverty=More Crime do the math my brother.

  • Khutso Manthata - 2013-05-19 21:51

    So are you guys saying SA should kiss ass?

      Sheik Mohammad - 2013-05-19 22:12

      No...should use the black portion on the flag to place a begging bowl.

      Richard Scully - 2013-05-19 22:15

      We're not saying they should do anything. We're just stating what an idiot Naledi Pandor is. If people can't see that I can see why the UK would require them to have a visa, to prevent them knocking their own heads

      Wesley Gold - 2013-05-20 06:31

      Khutso, you must understand that South Africa is "kissing ass", China's "ass" Russia's "ass" etc. If a terrorist blows himself up in London and it was discovered that he entered UK on an SA passport it will cause a huge head ache for SA. You have seen the news about al Qaeda training camps in SA while the government does nothing to deal with them. This is the concern, terrorism, the UK is simply protecting itself. However SA is intentionally distancing itself from the West, hence "ass kissing" has now commenced in China, Russia etc and this is why they aren't going to sort the problem out to assist the UK. Perhaps South Africans should consider holidays in China and Russia.

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-20 08:48

      @Khutso, no. Corrupt Home Affairs should not sell SA passports to terrorists. Like Al Shabaab. Remember that little incident.

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:53

      Yeah Wesley Gold the last thing we need is USA or NATO Bombing us into democracy, though I for one wont be sorry to see the cANCer regime gone.

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-20 09:05

      Please , we not need the American version of democracy here.

  • Wynand Smit - 2013-05-19 21:56

    They will not have the guts to do tit for tat: Spineless...

  • Owen S Mayuni - 2013-05-19 21:57

    Minister Naledi Pandor should Give Amnesty to all the people that they got SA Passport and ID document from the back door not only Zimbabwenias then she can start talking to the UK government about this issue otherwise the UK government is 100% CORRECT. My question to Naledi Pandor you give the zimbabwenias amnesty does it mean that other people that were not given amnesty can USE our documents?

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:56

      Yeah why are all the Zimbos/Mozambicans/Nigerians/Ivorians etc flooding SA with impunity without really improving our lot only making things worse, yet a Brit,Yank,German,Frenchman etcc that could bring investment and EMPLOYMENT be shoeed away???

      Owen S Mayuni - 2013-05-20 13:56

      Alon Fisher?: You are right but how can these people trust US while Many people are carrying SA passport while they are not SA Citizen. First the government needs to clean this mess first then we can gain trust to world again for they can't arrest all of them we don't have enough space in prisons to accommodate them,the only solution is amnesty am sure many people will come forward.

  • Makhosonke Nkosi - 2013-05-19 22:00

    Let the Visa laws of the country be tightened and let's wait and see if they really don't give a rat ass about it. Truth be told they do need us just as much as some of you claim they don't

      Richard Scully - 2013-05-19 22:17

      We're a far off piss up spot for them to go and see some animals. That's all bud. They truly don't need us at all. We're not just saying that.

      Alon Fisher - 2013-05-20 08:58

      Why didnt they do all this in 1994 before Hillbrow and the likes could turn into little Lagos's????

  • Frances-Ann Douglas - 2013-05-19 22:06

    thank you Minister for considering for us poor once who needs to go to the UK its expensive need to travel to Joburg os Cape Town whiles living in the rural area and still after going through all the trouble still has your application been declined due to stupid reasons e.g the parent you name could not give the right d.o.b of the child what if you dont has a relationship anymore please minister i personally need this intervention .Good Luck

  • Sam Bowker - 2013-05-19 22:15

    I don't believe the SA passport is beyond fraud so don't blame the UK for it's actions, but did they have to make the visa so damn EXPENSIVE? Once they've verified who you are couldn't they just give a 10 year multiple entry like the states? My family is british descent and even I would LOVE to keep the miserable Brits out. I'm sure if you put out a vote most South Africans would say the same. Screw the money, South Africa's economy is still growing while the UK's is barely afloat. I say show them they are not wanted.

      Fidelis Mwanza - 2013-05-20 08:05

      They can keep their money and mzansi can raise it's own

      Ahava Shapiro - 2013-05-20 09:07

      Well said Fidelis, we don't need colonial mentality here as reflected in most of these comments.

  • Interesting - 2013-05-19 22:16

    They should keep there pounds to hey.... such a ridiculous statement. Thats the problem with this country nowadays. The people who run it have no brains.