SA forgetting struggle - Vavi

2012-10-17 21:40

Johannesburg - South Africans are "rapidly forgetting" the traditions of the fight for democracy, Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said on Wednesday.

"We are rapidly forgetting the traditions of our movement, which valued service to the people above any thought of personal advancement," Vavi said in Johannesburg.

"The squalid morality of the capitalists, based on me-first and survival of the fittest is seeping even into our own revolutionary movement, dragging in its wake huge problems of factionalism and even assassination of opponents and whistle-blowers."

Vavi was speaking at a University of SA lecture in memory of former justice minister Abdullah (Dullah) Omar.

He said a black elite had emerged out of apartheid to create "an oasis of opulence" for themselves.

  • - 2012-10-17 21:43

    Exactly, they promised a better life for the poor people, but ended up (using his own words) "emerged out of apartheid to create "an oasis of opulence" for themselves." I wonder how long it will take before the people notice this

      godfrey.welman - 2012-10-17 22:01

      Yet this fool is backing the No.1 "me first" Zuma for at Mangaung, great logic, maybe he will explain that to us.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-17 22:19

      Says the King of the Capitalists who had a lavish wedding in 2008, with horse-drawn carriages, dines only in the very top restaurants - and the mobs keep worshiping these charlatans and buffoons...

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-10-17 22:21

      Desert, alcoholism is a disease, get some help. Clearly I am not the first person to tell you to sort your anger out. There is no treatment to enlarge your manhood accept that, it is kort, it is kort.

      Desilusionada - 2012-10-17 22:25

      Says the man who supports Zuma for a 2nd term? Who himself live like 2 Kings and dresses down to fool the masses?

      andrew.hendrikse - 2012-10-17 22:33

      The truth is that he is kaaaaaaakking in his pants as he sees anarchy descend on the labor market. The greed of the ANC has destroyed all credibility of both the ANC and it's sidekick Cosatu.

      Onke Mdingi - 2012-10-17 22:44

      Election (cANCer) fever, I suppose. - 2012-10-17 23:04

      The ONLY good thing about BEE and all that crap is that some good, intelligent black people filter through. They move into nice areas and they bring their kids up to be like them. These kids will hopefully do the same and eventually all of their eyes will open. This WILL result in the ANC giving back the country to the majority. Not majority by colour, but the majority of people against the corrupt, useless government we hate at the moment.

      John - 2012-10-17 23:36

      Always fun listening to a commie lecture about democracy :)

  • SharonE - 2012-10-17 21:52

    "He said a black elite had emerged out of apartheid to create "an oasis of opulence" for themselves." He should know, he is one of them!!!

      saintbruce.bruce - 2012-10-18 08:12

      The only 'struggle' taught at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow is the one for absolute control by a small elite of the finances of a country! This the ANC top six and their core team have done very well in each period of being in power. Remember the foreign sponsors of the 'struggle' need to be repaid so deals such as the Arms deal had to be done and many more such as eTolls are due to rape the economy to pay the true Masters. Vavi's Cosatu receives millions of Rands every month from the affiliate Unions, yet what happens to that money? Cosatu is not a union - it's a congress of unions and a political movement. Are their books of account open to scrutiny? We know they 'invest' in business, yet they call employers their enemy. Interesting bedfellows hey? Its all a sham.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-10-18 08:24

      I wouldn't mind seeing Vavi's Bank account. I can guarantee you it aint small.

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-18 09:05

      THey are all hypocrits!! Zuma, Malema and Vavi are the biggest of them all!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-18 14:13

      Precisely SharonE. Can you imagine if he had NOT one union member, he would also be still living in a shack. He is worth millions this very same Vavi - two faced , forked tongue snake !

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-10-17 21:52

    black elite had emerged out of apartheidto create an oasis of opulance for themselves he said whats that suppose to mean big words then can somebody define for me please.

      peterdonb - 2012-10-17 22:06

      What he is actually saying is: "We must all vote DA in the next election!" So @Ernest, your master has spoken and YOU MUST OBEY!

      ernest.lwandle - 2012-10-17 22:35

      thanx very much guys for your explanation now im no longer going to be a fence seater so tell me do you think one opposition party can make any major threat to this huge vampire called cancer the unswer is no why cant we unite then just for the benefit of oure children

      johleneh - 2012-10-18 07:32

      Hi Ernest, one thing that I understand in a democracy is that you cannnot have a one party government. In other words the government has to be made up of a near balance of opposing or competing parties. In this way they keep each other on the straight and narrow and because there is no huge majority rule, the parties all have to behave themselves for if someone gets caught doing something wrong, the opposing parties call them out on it and then the public respond by supporting the opposing party more. So because of this near 50 50% balance of power, things run much more smoothly. But when a policital party occupies almost all of the government seats they end up doing whatever THEY want and ignore the call of the masses. Because the DA is the only other party in SA that stands even a small chance of giving the ANC a bit of competition, the only way the public can make a difference is by voting in the DA to balance out the dominance that the ANC currently has on the government. I hope this makes sense.. in essence it takes a competitor to keep the other motivated and moral.

      John - 2012-10-18 07:48

      Ernet!!!! How do you eat an elephant? THat's right, well bite at a time. Your reaction of how do you beat the monster smacks of the typical apathetic(and PATHETIC) attitude that prevails where we have "good and decent people" who vote for the ANC. To throw your weight behind a party that represents everything evil is unbelievable. Remember Ernest, you will not be entitled to moan and groan after you have voted the ANC into power again.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-18 07:48

      Johlene, democarcy is not exactly what you think it is. It is the voters having the literacy, access to free media and then the maturity to vote the party in power out of office if it has failed the voters. Very simple, and what is missing here are these fundamentals. Most ANC members see tha ANC as away to improve their personal lot in life, with jobs tenders etc, not service to the people they claim to represent.

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-10-17 21:54

    Like COSATU is still in feeling with the people on the ground! Soon they will be the same as the government.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-18 14:15

      Fanie, Vavi is the one of the Elite Blacks !

  • werner.n86 - 2012-10-17 22:00

    Stop blaming the past look at the further. In don't care what happened then. I'm only worried about tomorrow. The past is the past learn and move on don't look for reasons why we are failing now. Everybody will always enrich them self before they help others. Stop playing the racist card because its getting old now. There will never be a party in ruling that won't have secrets and fraud that will never change.

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-10-17 22:01

    Excuse me Mr. Vavi you went into the tripartite alliance with all your eyes open - so what did you expect from the alliance???? And are you so squeeqy clean yourselves??

      Onke Mdingi - 2012-10-17 22:24

      I just wonder if he still stands for labour's interests or he is also another 'power-monger' in disguise.

      John - 2012-10-18 07:51

      Onke You are past help squire. You have years of proof in front of you yet ask a thick question!

  • hein.huyser - 2012-10-17 22:04

    Election time again? My goodness, you have lost your reason for existance, and by "re-igniting" the fires of hatred between the races you try to stay relevant. Your pathetic orginisation are losing members faster than what you yourself even know or realize. Wake up time Vavi. The people have been fooled for too long, but no more. Without the anc you are nothing as an orginization. So get lost now. Dinosaur

  • boltonbarry - 2012-10-17 22:05

    I don't think they are forgetting one thing. They are still burning looting and violently protesting and murdering

  • aiazmir - 2012-10-17 22:08

    He is a supporter of the ANC yet he counters his own argument. He is one whose opulence has grown through the manipulation of labour. What an idiot.

  • spillies - 2012-10-17 22:09

    Can't you for once just stop struggling and DO SOMETHING!! You sound like a street beggar on the corner.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-17 22:19

    Doesnt he think that life should be for living and enjoying it, not for struggling?

  • george.slade.161 - 2012-10-17 22:24

    What Struggle ---Bloody Communist fool !

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-10-17 22:24

    Yes your communist movement!!!

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-10-17 22:38

    Good! It means people are moving on ... finally.

  • natalie.brebner - 2012-10-17 22:40

    "traditions of the fight for democracy" - they should be forgotten - you have already obtained Democracy (for the last 18 years)!! The tradition you HAVE forgotten is uplifting your people, or is that left to the "whites" still to do. A great change of mindset in the voting public is desperately required. Hope is fading..........

  • phumlani.veliti - 2012-10-17 23:04

    I totaly agree with Mr Zwelinzima Vavi on the last point where he finger points the black elite being the engine of greed in the our country but let's face it, this is not democracy that we are living in but a reversed oppression cycle anchored and driven by few black elite.

      John - 2012-10-18 07:54

      As you seem to have a grasp of the truth Phumlani, it is now your responsibility to educate your brothers and sisters and SHOW them what NOT to do!

  • Bafana Joseph - 2012-10-17 23:10

    vavi please know where you @ i think you are confused

  • ross.purdon.5 - 2012-10-17 23:10

    Vavi = Squealer from Animal Farm.

  • phillip.marchant.52 - 2012-10-17 23:14

    Oh, put a sock in it, Zwelifatbelli! Enough already of this 'capitalist immorality' diversionary tactic, and disingenuous spousal finger-pointing. Do you not know that your 'fight for democracy' facade is long worn thin, and your real face exposed and wrinkled? What's wrong? Forgot that e-tolling is up and away again, or just got a bigger piece of the cake? And why is it suddenly orrait that Bra Cyril remains the biggest pilfering labour-broker this side of Marikane? Why are we not hearing the real story behind the massacre of innocents exercising their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to protest against the famous cadre LABOUR BROKER stealing two thirds of their wages? Is your union too busy shoving down their slice of this action too, to make a sound? No sir - the real reason the man on the ground will never realise his place in the sun under this Unionist/ANC democratic farce, is not because of 'capitalists', a burgeoning 'black elite' or any other convenient 'enemy', but rather because it is an essential that your ability to self enrich at the expense of your followers is based on a policy that dictates that there will always be more job seekers than available jobs. The unions do the collecting of non-redeemable, non-repayable subscriptions from the ostensibly unsuspecting drone, and the ANC ensure that enough drones are fed into the artificially deflated job market, through a communist inspired educational system, in return for the unions support come election time. Go figure...

  • rouen.heiberg - 2012-10-18 01:07

    The only struggle in this country was for a seat on the gravytrain.

  • jacque.raymer - 2012-10-18 02:12

    you not forgetting your service to the people, you forgot it in 1994 the moment you stepped onto the gravy train...

  • eddie.norton1 - 2012-10-18 02:18

    Vavi's lack of leadership has lead to the miners strike becoming what it is!!!!!

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  • david.diego.14 - 2012-10-18 04:57

    Vavi u fail to represent the mine workers together with u'r friend JZ who fail to lead this beautiful country what else u idiots!!!

  • james.ilukena - 2012-10-18 05:41

    Vavi don't fool people be a brave man come out openly and show the people that you support Zuma, stop talking about poor service delivery, if there is any one in SA who forgot why he is in particular position it you and Zuma.

  • john.smit.121772 - 2012-10-18 05:52

    Vavi now proved he is an idiot. He made this statement, about the same time he said Cosatu backs Zuma (the most corrupt person in SA) for another term. Common, only 40m are zombies, the other 10m are intellegent educated individuals

      matshane.seleko - 2012-10-18 09:04

      Stop generalising and insulting,because that makes you a zombie yourself.Your arguement is baseless and it must be disqualified.

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-10-18 06:07

    Well I hope they do turn their backs on lies, planting landmines and bombs, hollow promises, necklacing people, because the scum that instigated the violence back then is living in luxury and isolation, while the normal people of the country suffer even worse than before

  • olebogeng.diratsagae - 2012-10-18 06:18

    but u support such corrupt better u dont say anything.r u afraid of changing da leadership.u sold the revolution man.

  • Graham.Cooper2 - 2012-10-18 06:40

    The struggle is over you box, the ANC took over a good and well ballanced country and stuffed it up almost beyond repair. Are you now satisfied?

  • matshane.seleko - 2012-10-18 07:04

    We want clean governance and service delivery now.We have heard enough of the words 'struggle' and 'apartheid' being roped in even where not needed.Let the time for the elite blaming the elite be over.

  • mark.mcdonogh.1 - 2012-10-18 07:06

    Dear people of South Africa, yo ur chance to save our nation is coming soon. That is the general election. Remember this: if you vote for those who have proved themselves to be liars, thieves, corrupt, immoral, deceiving, incapable of leading and robbing you of opportunity to have a life in this nation, remember you are destroying your children's futures and coupled with that you become personally responsible for the evil they promote. To be a people of integrity you need to listen to your conscience; not to the lies and false, empty promises of those who say they are for you. Vote for the ANC and you vote for crime, corruption, violence, and immorality. You put them in power! They destroy! You are responsible! Be courageous now and make a change. Vote for any other party to stop the evil that you have to now promoted, just as it was promoted by the supporters of the nationalist government. Use your vote for good change. If you vote with your heart you will be manipulated. If you vote with your head with your eyes open you will bring glory to South Africa. Be brave South Adricans.

  • quartus.vanzyl - 2012-10-18 07:13

    whenever these people don't know what to say, they fall back on "apartheid" and "struggle" Really pathetic!

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-10-18 07:17

    it is the leaders themwelves who have forgotton what the struggle is about. That happened as soon as they touched that pot of gold - the Western bling.

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-18 07:18

    Its not SAfricans that's forgetting the struggle Mr Vavi....we still struggling. Its the ANC fat cats that's filling their pockets and wasting billions on parties and entertaining themselves and steal the money meant for the people.....

  • kenneth.kgosi - 2012-10-18 07:22

    Sexwale started dis prior polokwane conference and for the past few years leading to Mangaung he has been lobbying tirelessly. Pity de likes of Motlanthe and Phosa fell for his charm. After mangaung zuma's admin should get rid of such forces that are a danger to our movement.

  • John - 2012-10-18 07:41

    Mr Vavi An overused adage: "The height of stupidity is doing the same things again but expecting a different outcome" With one statement you have shown the whole world what a poor leader you are. There are alternatives, yet SA continues to burn through gross incompetence by those that have the power to make a difference. History will become your nemesis and your grandchildren will spit on your grave.

      darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-10-18 15:41

      "The height of stupidity is doing the same things again but expecting a different outcome" this is not stupidity...but insanity...

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-10-18 07:43

    I am pretty sure that for the many people suffering in SA every day the struggle is far from over!

  • TdJ01 - 2012-10-18 07:53

    You IDIOT these are the traditions and morality of the ANC!!

  • harald.voney - 2012-10-18 08:01

    Is he talking about Zumaville?? But, Cosatu backs Zuma for president?? WTF, isnt that hippocracy??

  • rydalj - 2012-10-18 08:17

    Not South Africans Mr Vavi, the ruling party and the alliance have forgotten...they forgot that all races formed part of the struggle...this divided our nation and we all know that no divided nation throughout history could stand....the writing is on the wall for the is only a matter of time...blood will certainly flow this time judging from the current selfishness, greed, intollerance, violent nature, intimidation and disregard for human lives....stuff you Mr Vavi

  • erica.pienaar.7 - 2012-10-18 08:19

    Mr Vavi, why dont you tell the strikers how much you pocket every month while they are on strike, gettin nothing? What kind of logic is that?

  • ernst.f.dewaal - 2012-10-18 08:29

    Mister Vavi, it's 2012 already, get over it.

  • steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-10-18 08:32

    Vavi, you are such a bullsh@tter and a troll. The struggle was over nearly 20 years ago. The only struggle you have now is one of a useless, corrupt cANCer that is rapidly destroying SA. Commie assh**e!

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-10-18 08:35

    the poor are not forgeting the housing and free education you guys promised? wheres all that , gone down the toilet....

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-18 09:04

    Yes Vavi it is people like you, Malema and all the heads of the ANC that have become greedy and only care about yourselves! It is amazing that the people who are the biggest racists and onl care about themelves are all the heads of ANC and the unions!! In my life everyone I work with and am friends with don't really even see race we see stupid and that what we all hate!

  • denny.cray - 2012-10-18 09:18

    "Squalid morality" eh? Is legalised theft of money from taxpayers to buy votes a more virtuous path? Also, the "struggle" ended 20 years ago. A good portion of the population are unable to remember it as they hadn't been born.

  • liz.rudy.3 - 2012-10-18 09:18

    And yet he still endorces Zuma for a second term.

  • reg.nagel - 2012-10-18 09:26

    Commie bastards!!!

  • jacques.smit - 2012-10-18 09:30

    A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

  • tim.brink.1238 - 2012-10-18 09:44

    Stuck in old Marxist rhetoric while he endorses a thieving, inept, incapable ANC government. Pathetic.