SA murder rate reflective of 'a war zone'

2014-09-19 14:43

Pretoria - The murder rate in the country is reflective of a "war zone", Democratic Alliance MP Dianne Kohler Barnard said on Friday.

"We now have a second increase in two years in the murder rate," she told reporters at the SA Police Service Tshwane Training Academy following the release of the 2013/2014 crime statistics.

"We have 47 murders a day. That sort of figure is what one would expect in a war zone."

Kohler-Barnard said this year's statistics were almost back to the 2006 levels when there was a spike in the murder rate.

There had only been four increases in murder since the advent of democracy and two of them were under national police commissioner Riah Phiyega, she said.

800 more murders

"It is a terrible statistic and the fact that so many of the violent crimes are up so massively... is a very poor showing.

"I knew it would be bad, I felt it would be bad and all the predictions have come true."

Earlier, Phiyega announced that there had been 800 more murders since the 2012/2013 statistics.

Kohler-Barnard said the statistics were a reflection on former police minister Nathi Mthethwa.

"It's a very bad reflection and that's obviously why Nathi Mthethwa was shunted off to arts and culture and it's a very bad reflection on the current national police commissioner. Even though she is claiming something of a victory, it is most certainly not a victory."

Real-time crime stats

She said real-time crime statistics needed to be available at every police station and not just as an announcement once a year.

"What help is it to a home-owner to find out now that 18 months ago there was a massive increase in carjackings or house robberies in his area?"

Having real time statistics was the only way people could protect themselves, Kohler-Barnard said.

Institute for Security Studies senior researcher for crime and justice Johan Burger said the statistics proved what the institute had been saying for some time - that violent crimes would go up as well as murder and attempted murder.

"This means that we as South Africans have reason to feel less safe at the moment than we should be and this is because those crimes have directly affected us and our safety and security," he said.

Social conditions

Murder and attempted murder rates, which had increased, could be based on social conditions.

The increase in aggravated robbery and housebreakings affected how safe people felt.

"This is definitely not a good news story," Burger said.

  • John Brown - 2014-09-19 14:48

    Protect yourselves people!!!! We can't wait or count on our incompetent police to assist us (apologies to the good cops out there!). Criminals.... BEWARE THE VIGILANTE!!!!!

      Jackie Morgan Dickson - 2014-09-19 15:00

      Shocking! And that doesn't even included people being murdered on our roads either! Lawlessness wherever you look. And we have our corrupt leaders to thank for this.

      Gavin Venter - 2014-09-19 15:08

      war indeed, the people of SA versus the cANCer. the ANC have pretty much legalised crime by being so useless at the prevention and commission thereof. Zuma hides in the shadows while people are dying every day One day (soon) I hope he will be called to account for his lack of a soul and humility.

      nemesis - 2014-09-19 15:27

      what do you expect it is literally legal to kill someone, look at oscar for example, when the world spot light was on SA's justice system they give a man that intended to shoot not murder but culpable homicide.

      Godfrey Welman - 2014-09-19 15:32

      If the ANC were not so hell-bent on making the WC ungovernable, this figure can be improved dramatically through visible policing and cleaning-up drug dens, followed by permanent cops stationed at all Taxi ranks. More jobs less crime.

      Ann Murray - 2014-09-19 15:40

      I guess this is what we should expect when there are no real consequences to dissuade people from committing any crime - not only murder. They simply know they will literally "get away with murder"

      John Comyn - 2014-09-19 15:59

      It's friggen genocide! Forget what it costs the man in the street to pay for private security.

      Nichola Smith - 2014-09-19 16:54

      I'm MORE scared of the police. Middle class single woman and I have been blackmailed and threatened by my own local police. Three police cars came to my house one day to rough me up because I threw out a "prefessional" house cleaning "company". They picked a woman off the street that morning and dropped her at my house with a bucket and mop and demanded R2 500. I was going to let my house out for three months to a tenant who was allergic to pet hair. I was frog marched to the nearest ATM and forced the pay and do an ETF. They knew where I stayed!!! I live in fear all the friggint time. The justice system nor the police protect me.

  • Akhenaten C.T. - 2014-09-19 14:48

    Wait for next year's murder stats. Zuma said that S. Africa is not a violent country. Did he mean the area around Nkandla?

      Anthony Danotok - 2014-09-19 14:52

      Akhenaten Camps Bay, In stead of some emotional bs, why don't you explain to us WHY SA is the most violent country in Africa !!

      kalabafazi - 2014-09-19 14:53

      If you consider all the other meaningless ways you could die in SA, such as bad road users, poor health services or poor living conditions then it's no wonder there is any of us left.

      Akhenaten C.T. - 2014-09-19 15:03

      Anthony, if you ever find me in Camps Bay, you must know I have completely lost my way. Your question: Because our president and those around him are not shy of crime.

      lacrimosewolf - 2014-09-19 18:24

      Because SA has the lowest literacy and IQ rates in the world. Our first response to every problem is violent. Because we have poor impulse control, because we're poorly educated and not taught rational thought processes. Because educated people and people in power get away with all sorts every single day. Because we've all rationalised crime away - from the smallest infringement (e.g. jaywalking, speeding), to bashing someone up for riding a bicycle, to murdering someone for R10 or a cell phone. We have a gargantuan mental- and emotional-health crisis in South Africa and no education, social services, health care, police, court is able to cope with the madness that besets us all. We're wilder than the Wild West. Renaming roads and building monuments doesn't begin to address what ails us. But this govt is now infamous for always addressing the effect instead of the cause. Poor impulse control, an inability to process information in a rational way and a general What's In It For Me (WIFM) attitude has brought us here.

  • Lexi Francis - 2014-09-19 14:49

    Typical- Clap and pat ourselves on the back when we have nothing to be proud of. sies

  • Bruwer - 2014-09-19 14:50

    With only 1100 life sentences?

      Amanda Matthews - 2014-09-19 21:20

      Spot on Jonathan Woods. You cannot deny the stats.

  • Jo Themba - 2014-09-19 14:51

    if your country is run by a criminal, you can expect people to behave like criminals.

  • Douw Grobler - 2014-09-19 14:51

    47 murders a day.....Gaza was a safer place during the conflict!

  • Sphiwe Johannes Sibanyoni - 2014-09-19 14:52

    death penalty is the solution to reduce crime!

      Louis - 2014-09-20 10:53

      F-in A. If there were to be a referendum regarding the death penalty tomorrow, I'll bet a months salary that the result will be YES.

      Omnivore - 2014-09-21 17:59

      Totally because half these killers are repeat offenders.

  • Frank Jordaan - 2014-09-19 14:53

    Just another 'good' story from our very' competent' ANC- Zuma you must be very proud of the SAPS,Escom,SAA, your propaganda tool the SABC and then your other favorite institution the NPA.Well done!!!!!!

      Jo Themba - 2014-09-19 15:06

      You forgot education, but hey, thats not important. Let rather worry about rugby quotas!

  • Shaun O'Meara - 2014-09-19 14:53

    So true. A hidden civil war that is ignored by the rest of the world. I say screw the police and the sadf. Lets stand together and take this country into a true democratic land for all. The anc is made up of criminals, the DA is like a barking dog that has no bite and the eff are a simple threat to peace as well as increased violence in South Africa. Lets call it what it is, a civil war. Sometimes you need to fight to achieve peace. That time has arrived.

  • Douw Grobler - 2014-09-19 14:53

    Blame his comments on light, so he cannot see what's in front of him!

  • Bradly Minnaar - 2014-09-19 14:57

    Do u think the anc cares....

  • Dan Danukdhari - 2014-09-19 14:58

    Police resrvists in SAPS,are treated worst than dogs in SAPs Kennels, police management refuse to acknowledge the vast experience and knowledge of reservists,many of them are quitting due to this, I say give them permanent jobs,let them do what they are already doing

  • mica gogome - 2014-09-19 14:59

    Yes,it is.Very bad.Policing has no power anymore.Power is given to the criminals.They do as they please.Criminals knows that police will always have lenient approach at them at all the times.Even the justice system fail us most of the time.Peeps are dying like flies everyday.

  • Steven Marshal - 2014-09-19 14:59

    I just read something very frightening. Southern Africa has the highest homicide rate out of all subregions in the world (which includes the war torn countries). Only 2 countries have a higher murder rate than SA......Wait for it......Lesotho and Swaziland...

  • Aqua BlueAfrica - 2014-09-19 14:59

    @micheal rhodes we are talking about numbers here bru. .47k murdered every day per year, raped and assaulted not to mentioned in this Crime Capital of The World that is supposed to be at peace with one another. .how much civilisation did the dismantel of apartheid really bring. .more SAcns are disempowered, killed and at disadvanteged than ever before if you think about it..only some elect few greedy cANCer bastards get a royal deal here. .

  • Frans Mosia - 2014-09-19 15:02

    I think the correct term will be barbaric state.

  • Marcel De Graaf - 2014-09-19 15:03

    And how many murder convictions per day?

  • Jeanette Gibbs Persson - 2014-09-19 15:04

    We didn't need stats to tell us this - all you have to do is read the news. Everybody already feels threatened

  • mica gogome - 2014-09-19 15:04

    Yes,it is.Very bad.Policing has no power anymore.Power is given to the criminals.They do as they please.Criminals knows that police will always have lenient approach at them at all the times.Even the justice system fail us most of the time.Peeps are dying like flies everyday.

      Michael Kleber - 2014-09-19 15:20

      A few rands buys you a corrupt policeman

  • Paul Vernon - 2014-09-19 15:04

    Pity, I am not Surprised. What is worse is SA Gov reads out the stats as if the Murder and Rape was a bazaar sale 5% off. Sadder is compared to US and UK with far greater population the SA Numbers are an indictment that we have a large group of barbarians living here.

  • Wickidinsa Lolis - 2014-09-19 15:05

    When your grandparents were leading this country, we had a civil war...Stop acting like you people are better leaders!!

      Michael Kleber - 2014-09-19 15:26

      look if you find the crime rate acceptable then you have a serious problem and trying justify it through peoples grand parents puts you in denial , make a noise let the govt know the crime rate is unacceptable and get rid of the criminals in govt

      Steven Marshal - 2014-09-19 15:26

      Which civil war was this then?

      Ben Rossouw - 2014-09-19 16:11

      Ah, I see...let me guess, you are actually a white guy from Jo'burg just on this site trolling to evoke emotional responses from readers. There are more of you than you might think buddy.

      Amanda Matthews - 2014-09-19 21:26

      So you just luuv the present crime stats - you moron.

  • shereen.sirkhotte - 2014-09-19 15:07

    I am ashamed to say that I wasn't expecting anything less....God help us all

  • Jabu Joseph Soko - 2014-09-19 15:10

    how can it not if phiyegas man in blue are capable of murdering forty three miners in one day. And AMCU n NUM following with vengeance acts of cruelty.

      Richard Hipkin - 2014-09-19 16:04

      Get your facts straight baba.

  • Rocky Bell - 2014-09-19 15:18

    47 a day: Imagine the outrage if we had 3 Jumbo Jets coming down every month. Shocking

  • Johnny B Goode - 2014-09-19 15:18

    Can't we hire the Botswana government and fire these useless idiots? The taxpayers should have a say in these matters.

  • Steven Murhula Demou - 2014-09-19 15:18

    judje masipa knows more

  • Steven Murhula Demou - 2014-09-19 15:20

    judje masipa knows more about this

  • Prince Ramalia - 2014-09-19 15:22

    and JZ and ANC says its a safe country

  • amadeus.geldenhuys - 2014-09-19 15:24

    Interesting statistic - The SA ave murder rate is 37 per 100k USA ave murder rate is 4.7 per 100k - SA is 10 times more violent than the USA

  • Venicia Williams - 2014-09-19 15:25

    ANC has a GOOD STORY to tell!

  • Cedrick Khumalo - 2014-09-19 15:26

    Western cape has the highest number,where is yo DA?

      Martin van der Merwe - 2014-09-19 15:31

      Cops and Crime is managed on a national level not provisional.

      Tommy Jones - 2014-09-19 15:32

      They asked for National resources to fight it, it was denied by the ANC.

      Venicia Williams - 2014-09-19 15:37

      Time for WC to vote for Independence and apply it's own Law and Order...don't trust this government anymore with their slap on the wrist approach!

      Christian Evans - 2014-09-19 16:05

      Cedrick,you are such a chop. As Martin says, it is managed on a National level, and when the DA wanted SANDF assistance to control crime our National Hero,..... Mr. Zuma refused, then he allowed R240m spent on his compound!!!! Wake up man.

      Venicia Williams - 2014-09-19 16:11

      @Christian, i also don't trust the SANDF, that one arm bandit deserted his crew...

      Johan van Wyk - 2014-09-19 22:12

      Maybe it's because the anc wants to undermine the DA. That's why.

  • Jacques Shepperson - 2014-09-19 15:38

    a Very famous man said a couple of years back..."its out of control".

  • Aqua BlueAfrica - 2014-09-19 15:38

    @cedrick. .police are under the control of national commissioner who answers to the minister of police who is appointed by your pathetic president. .wopple head! get a proper education sometime and the world won't be so difficult to understand!

  • WILDSBOK - 2014-09-19 15:44

    You can not rule n country in Africa without the death penalty. You can not give people more money to have more children. It's n recipe for a disaster!!!!

      sam.e.scapes - 2014-09-19 18:04

      Agreed! People need to work, then they won't have the time or energy to do crime and to procreate. Also our laws favor the criminals.

  • Azana Booi - 2014-09-19 15:44

    get all the illegal alliens out of our country!!! Control our borders and customs! Criminals from accross the world are here...this is too much now

      Stephan Kilian - 2014-10-21 23:25

      You are zooming closer to one of the major problems in SA Azana. Whilst EFF and ANC, among other, desperately tries to undermine, alienate and divide fellow South Africans via. racially driven tactics, such as so-called affirmative action (really just another way of saying reverse apartheid), Illegal Aliens seem to be the ones who thrive, ironically, whilst the rest of us good SAkns, become.. well.. divided?? Lets face it, the ANC has NO intention of making this rainbow nation work. It is up to us to MAKE IT HAPPEN.

  • Francois Merwe - 2014-09-19 15:44

    Bring back the death penalty JZ....Please bring it back....They murder because they've got nothing to fear...Life in jail with a bed to sleep in and food every day...Better than what they experience on the streets...It's a no brainer....

      Mirnix Dirnix - 2014-09-19 15:57

      Oh Francois, ZOOOMBA is not ready to commit suicide.

  • Eddie Golding - 2014-09-19 15:46

    We aught to start blaming from the Top - then work down. Our justice system (For what it is,is shocking) - to say the least! At this rate we are working towards a civil war. Since our Law is so pathetic, we will have no option, but take it into our own hands. Watch this space. Ed Golding

  • Ria Cook - 2014-09-19 15:47

    Did anyone hear during the press conference how many of these crimes are committed by cops? Or is that a state secret?

  • Erna Westdyk - 2014-09-19 15:49

    Why should government care? They're not part of these statistics - they have paid for security in place and their own body guards. Just like they're not part of the real health problems, or the education problems.

  • Nozipho Mayihlome - 2014-09-19 15:51

    azania booi dont be pathetic,foreign nationals commit crimes as much as sa citzens do,your xenophobic rant won't take you anywhere or else get help,if this nation doesn't change some of its loose constitutional rights murderers will strive,worse all jails are like hotels

  • Tavengwa Chivirira Muchini - 2014-09-19 15:51

    Why are people simply not afraid of killing each other?

      Katryn Van Ryn - 2014-09-19 16:26

      Lots of it is due to substance abuse-but mostly because they dont believe in God and Judgement day I think.

  • June Matshiya Webrhole - 2014-09-19 15:52

    If the police didnt kill ppl at marikana thet rate wasn't gonna be that high

      Watkykj - 2014-09-19 16:09

      0% for you for Maths......eish

  • Azana Booi - 2014-09-19 15:52

    The president is a CRIMINAL...each and every single cabinet member of his has more than one CRIMINAL RECORD....all the country's ambassadors have CRIMINAL there any HOPE at all????

  • Zahir - 2014-09-19 15:54

    The anc will say the murder rate is normal and we should be grateful

  • Nozipho Mayihlome - 2014-09-19 15:55

    ..and firefly you are on point,you cannot rule an african country without the hanger system,cut child grants,use the money to build more jails not safe havens for criminals where they watch tv...ppl nid to fear committing crime if they don't next yr they will say its 100 murders a day

      sam.e.scapes - 2014-09-19 17:57

      You are right Nozipho too much time to get up to nonsense and no deterrent for doing the crime. Use the money to create jobs and let the people work. They will have their dignity back and food on the table. The gov has huge tracts of lands let them develop into farms where people are paid to work and the food can be bought by the communities. This free for all is making nothing but a rod for our backs. There are millions of hungry, desperate people, if we don't make a plan we are looking at civil war, with stats far worse than this.

  • Celi Mbokazi - 2014-09-19 15:56

    so much for the good story to tell

  • Willem Grobler - 2014-09-19 15:59

    Let no one tell me to give up my firearms. The State does not have the capacity to protect us. Their own statistics proves it...

  • Mirnix Dirnix - 2014-09-19 16:00

    SA is ready to release it's own Crime Channel.Take that income, get a Private Task Force and fight the crime.!

  • Samuel Koanaite - 2014-09-19 16:00

    let's vote eff so they can shove them in parliament

  • Bungeni Maluleke - 2014-09-19 16:02

    I agree these figures are scary 47 murders a day 800 in a year thats hectic. But what do you expect when police sell uniforms, guns, police vehicles to criminals!