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SA not a caring democracy - Ramphele

2013-03-27 19:36

Johannesburg - South Africa is anything but a caring democracy, Agang leader Mamphela Ramphele said on Wednesday.

"It is the sad common truth about our democracy, which was forged precisely to make sure that our democracy would be known for being a caring democracy," Ramphele told reporters at the Thusong Youth Centre in Alexandra, northern Johannesburg.

"Where ubuntu would be the standard... [where] public services would be made available, and how quality and respect for citizens would be the hallmark. We have anything but that."

Ramphele was visiting Alexandra as part of Agang's consultation period.

When Ramphele launched Agang earlier this year she said she intended to contest the national elections next year.

Asked how close the political platform Agang was to registering as a political party, Ramphele said it was still in "listening mode".

"The response is overwhelming, people want to register [with Agang]. People are tired of waiting. People are attracted to Agang because it's not promising them the moon," she said.

Young people were being trained to go out into the communities and register people for Agang in a systematic manner.

She said South Africans she had spoken to were conscious that changing the country would take time.

"People are resonating with Agang."

Ramphele said she would also be consulting with business, opposition parties, labour, and civil society.

Most people complained about housing, health, and education.

"People feel that they have been lied to about what to expect since 1994.

"They tell stories that are very sad about the corrupt allocation of housing," Ramphele said.

Young people spoke about how education had failed them, and how there was a lack of training opportunities.

Then there were questions about the healthcare system, she said.

"People tell horrific stories of a healthcare system that doesn't care for ordinary people."

Lack of respect

Earlier, Ramphele visited the Ratang Bana orphanage in Alexandra, where she engaged with community members.

She also visited the Alexandra Heritage Centre and former president Nelson Mandela's old home in the township.

After visiting the heritage site, Ramphele said the country had failed to transform Alexandra into a proud human settlement.

"Alex is an icon and has been an icon even during the struggle... Visit [the] Alex heritage centre and what you find is a room [with bare walls]. God knows what's happened to that money from 2007.

"For me [this] is a metaphor for the lack of respect for people."

Ramphele said she was disappointed in the state of Mandela's old home.

"How can we fail to preserve a simple little structure like that, to make it deserving of the heritage plaque we have put there."

The little brick structure had a painted yellow door and a plaque reading "Alexandra Heritage Site. Mandela's place 46 7th Avenue".

When Mandela arrived in Johannesburg in 1941, from the Eastern Cape, he rented a room in the house for a short while.

Comments
  • SharonE - 2013-03-27 20:05

    South Africa's democracy is not a caring democracy or a healthy democracy. When one single party has too much power, it leads to abuse. When that happens, every single citizen loses. I pray that Agang will break the stranglehold that the ANC has on South Africa once and for all, for the good of the people.

      Colleen Frau - 2013-03-27 21:11

      Its very sad to see so many people out of work. Something has got to change very fast. WHat a mess.

      Danie Theron - 2013-03-27 22:32

      Well Colleen Frau - the ANC's solution to unemployment is to sell the country to the Chinese (ie the Durban Poison - namely BRICS) a country where 200 million people are without jobs - i.e. 4 x SA's entire population... And as China is facing a massive rise in inflation - it is estimated that in the next decade the unemployment in China will rise to a staggering 9 BILLION. I am sure you can make your own deductions.

  • Dee Bone - 2013-03-27 20:05

    our country is fast being destroyed by the ANC. We need a change in government at all cost before the country is ruined

      marius.fourie.526 - 2013-03-27 20:56

      Anthony can you explain your comment please. You say the people against the ANC are destroying SA. How is that possible? We do not have our fingers in the money coffers of SA. We are not handing out multi million rand corrupt tenders. We did not build Zuma's multi million rand house. Money that should have gone to the poor. We are not sitting on our hands while rape murder and violence are crippling our country. So can you pls explain?

      john.morreira.9 - 2013-03-27 21:01

      Anthony Michael sadly, 99.9% of the 66% you mention,haven't a clue about democracy.

      Tumelo Lad - 2013-03-27 21:05

      Good for you anthony, really intriguing tell us more please.. At least tells us how happy ur sister and brothers are in Alexandra maybe?

      George Pito - 2013-03-27 21:14

      To Anthony The definition of a democracy is when there are an opition party that can influence the outcome of an election Now we have a majority supressing a minority. This howver is not the point the country is going down the drain and everybody is voting in abundance for it.

  • Dee Bone - 2013-03-27 20:05

    our country is fast being destroyed by the ANC. We need a change in government at all cost before the country is ruined

      Michael Ntsh - 2013-03-27 21:38

      like it has been destroyed by your nats government. You are just bitter because your party is not in power. Get over yourself because anc is and will still rule you.

      Danie Theron - 2013-03-27 22:49

      Michael Ntsh, I am absolutely fascinated by your comment. How did the 'Nats' destroy SA? Even Julius Malema said that the ANC had built nothing - in his words "they had not built a single city". Kindly tell us what the ANC has created/built in the last 18 years? Everything in the country was built almost exclusively by the National Party government. All the cities, roads/highways, hospitals, universities, major international airports, the national airliner, the harbors (the ANC tried to build one small one and failed dismally), etc, etc. And they did it on their own - they certainly did not get the Chinese to do it. Only 15 years into National Party rule - ie in the 1960's - South Africa was one of the strongest and greatest economies in the entire world. How does that correlate with your comment?

      Cxa Jero - 2013-03-28 01:15

      @Danie Theron You mean except for committing one of the world's worst humanitarian crimes - apartheid (one that ranks right up there with Hitler's holocaust)? I too find much fault with the present day ANC ... but the material "success" of the Nats, serving 10% of the population while systematically disenfranchising the rest CAN NOT be held up for praise.

  • Nyika M Ndlovu - 2013-03-27 20:09

    So now there will be more than 20 political parties on the ballot box, voting is going to be time consuming now, why not do it like in the states, Republicans and Democrats eish and like always they always make promises they can't keep.....

      Edgar Andres Garcia - 2013-03-27 20:19

      Terrible model. Politics at the States are extremely dysfunctional right now, thanks to gerrymandered districts that give too much power to certain groups in relation to their population (white rural trash), polarised parties nearing religious zealotry, an obsession with culture wars, and a disturbing trend to avoid compromise.

      Nyika M Ndlovu - 2013-03-27 20:26

      Just imagine how many times will you be stopped at the robots to be given flyers and only end of this year will we start to see some faces we haven't seen in years and they will be preaching the same verse, Politics one verse one, we shall deliver if you vote for us.

  • Patrick Saunders - 2013-03-27 20:10

    poor mamphela, she thinks ubuntu actually exists.

  • Mantsho Tlali - 2013-03-27 20:11

    Our Democracy is all about Corrupt Leaders, Higher Unemployment, Higher crime, Discrimination and false promises.l saw Mandela's House, l was shocked, let alone Alexzandra, a very very dirty place, and the people live there, seriously if somebody dont take over this Country soon, we are done.

      George Pito - 2013-03-27 21:02

      Mantsho you know what I am a white man in a proffesionall career and after 30 years I cannot retire. One golden handshake that they get today is worth more than I worked for all my life. With a partner like you I can make my company grow but I dont think so Why is this?

  • Simon Ramapuputla - 2013-03-27 20:12

    To those who dream aboutchange. Keep dreaming while the ANC makes the country work. As for the opposition, keep on making a lot of noise. Long live the liberation movement long live.

      Edgar Andres Garcia - 2013-03-27 20:21

      Does it work properly? Can a bunch of incompetent crooks undo the mess created by the sociopathic Nazis? It doesn't look like.

      Edgar Andres Garcia - 2013-03-27 20:24

      Correction: AAA (Afrikaner affirmative action) sociopathic Nazis vs incompetent, populist, banana republic crooks.

      Mantsho Tlali - 2013-03-27 20:51

      @Simon Liberation Movement Can you Please Move on, l mean wake up, Weak Economy, Higher Uneployment, Higher crime and Corrupt ANC people etc, You call all this a work. Your a Village Idiot, wake up your country is going down.

      Shamila Alawie - 2013-03-27 21:06

      Oh please go jump in a lake...one less cANCer vote!!

      Suash Maharaj - 2013-03-28 11:52

      What is there to liberate? Apartheid is gone for almost 20 years now. That song is getting stale. Please change your tune. The only liberation I can think of is getting liberated from the ANC clowns posing as public servants. Long live the end of ANC long live.

  • Skhalo Ratau - 2013-03-27 20:16

    We dnt need new party 2 change th position of th.s country nd we ar tired of empty promises th ruling party must reactify their on mistakes bcz th.r ar already started 2 do so. Anc is our fourfather.s organisation....nometer.

      SaintBruce Bruce - 2013-03-27 20:40

      Sorry they won't change a thing as it suits them to enjoy wealth while you enjoy poverty. Why change when there is no threat of losing power... until a serious contender comes along. Watch out ANC, you have betrayed too many people for too long!

      Peter Mokoena - 2013-03-27 20:51

      Go down with ur forefathers organization, perhaps ur forefathers are also happy the way it is, and how much they delivering service for the people..

      Tumelo Lad - 2013-03-27 20:55

      Dude the Rand is now R9.25 to 1$.US Dollar, in a couple of months it will be R50!!! You know, people like u are the ones this country is going backwards. U are probably one of those lazy, self-entitled and illiterate blacks. All you know is steal, strike, loot and rape..can't you even see how weak is our economy? And how the corrupt ANC is destroying this country?? As for your fourfathers, yea well we all know what happened, they fought for freedom blah blah blah yah well good for them. I wasn't there during apartheid so I don't give a crap. I only know the CORRUPT Anc, and if they are incompetant and destroying the country then I should voice out. Because I'm black it doesn't mean I should support whatever the Anc is doing because it fought aparthied. Your brothers and sister are jobless and millions are living in sharks but u still come here and talk rubbish,, boy I hope people like u get hungry and rot with ur 0 IQ

      Shamila Alawie - 2013-03-27 20:56

      I think you living in a dream world dude. Because of arrogant people like you this country will never prospur. You also probably waiting to get noticed so you can join the 'gravy train'...wake up fool!

      Cheryl Zackey - 2013-03-27 20:57

      It is time for change. All people want are their basic needs met. We cannot cling to the past. We have to Act today and provide for the future generations. Not so sure the forefathers would approve of the state of affairs of their ruling party as it is today.

      Peter Mokoena - 2013-03-27 21:22

      Ya nometer kwaaaaaaaks!!

      Rorisang Moses Motaung - 2013-03-27 21:42

      Maybe u have a tender

  • Vincent Meiring - 2013-03-27 20:22

    Go Ramphele. This country needs a leader with moral values..

  • Skhalo Ratau - 2013-03-27 20:25

    All opposition parties ar against th ruling party bt th truth is african national congress is so powerfull bcz is uncestors party of liberation.

      George Pito - 2013-03-27 20:51

      Now what you want to get liberated from now corruption poverty and incompetency including rape and murder and crime and general. Even if Ramphele gets some votes she probably will get elimanted the africa way.One day Cyril is then next day Sexkwale Julius, Manuel Zoomer Mbeki There is simply no depth in this banana thing. If one black leader starts something everything starts all over when the next one surfaces. A president with hardly any education and twenty wifes. Generals that rock up with uniform in slippers. The one corrupt tender and failure after the other. How can you call that liberation. See ancestors are getting old and we need to adapt thats what they call IQ else we moving back in time.

      Truth.speak - 2013-03-27 21:55

      Skhalo wake up and smell the roses, you are living in a surreal world. The ANC has not had a success story in many years, it is just $

      Jimmy Don - 2013-03-27 22:44

      @Skhalo you say the following “bcz is uncestors party” . you know the truth of the matter is, oh never mind , it’s scary to think that people like you are allowed to vote in this so called democracy. This is basically the root of the problem isn’t it?, you have no idea what you are talking about or what’s going on around you. This being said I must commend you on your ability to actually switch on a computer and log a comment on News24 well done, hopefully some day your eyes will open to the reality and perhaps you can bring about positive change..

  • George Pito - 2013-03-27 20:36

    Yeh she is right how can any one care. BEE is destroying us all and 70% of the people believe in it. People in power dont know where it comes from and dont deserve it. On a daily basis I work with people with the intellect of a 16 year old but in very powerfull positions. This is not about race it is about what is good for the country. Everything is about power and politics and not good for the people or the country. Its all about money for the ones palying the game by the rules of corruption.Thats why nobody cares as whatever good you do its becomes nul and void as it is not in rule book

  • Skhalo Ratau - 2013-03-27 20:41

    Th.s country need a strng mn nt an old wmn bcz nw is 2 lte 2 ply negative games...nd we put our trust on th rulng party 2 cm wth solutions 4 all prblms against th.s country..is 2 lte 2 put a maximum supprt 2 unbuilded parties lke agang...

      Francois Blom - 2013-03-27 21:19

      Go away, come back, only when you've learnt to use proper grammar and spelling.

      Francois Blom - 2013-03-27 21:19

      Go away, come back, only when you've learnt to use proper grammar and spelling.

      Erna Westdyk - 2013-03-27 21:46

      Ratau come back when you can write in a language we can read. If you are a result of the ruling party you're not a good advertisement.

  • Bra N'Darkie - 2013-03-27 20:55

    Pls register now... Uve heard us we want u in parliament speaking against corruption.

  • Zama Khumalo - 2013-03-27 20:57

    SA needs young minds, You are too old RamPhele for this politic games, and I don't think you will make it.

      Peter Mokoena - 2013-03-27 21:04

      Ur very naïve and stupid to note that the current crop of political leaders, looks the same age as ur grannies, at least she is educated, and understand economics. U will never get medication for stupidity at any pharmacy..

      SharonE - 2013-03-27 21:06

      SA needs experience and wisdom. The expression is that you cannot put an old head on young shoulders. Look at the current and previous leaders of the YL - can you honestly tell me that youth and arrogance will solve SA's problems?

      Shamila Alawie - 2013-03-27 21:08

      Older and wiser and she has a brain!

      Ndumiso Mabaso - 2013-03-27 21:18

      zama it is not about young or old minds, its about addressing the key issue that affect the Country and any person who has a vision and mission to change course is welcomed. There so called vibrant youth what did they do other than enriching themselves and immediate family. So please look before you leap

      Jimmy Don - 2013-03-27 22:48

      SA needs young minds? Are you a member of the failed and ludicrous ANCYL by any chance?

  • Stefan Steyn - 2013-03-27 21:04

    I wish Agang all the best I may even consider voting for her if she can deliver what Mandela had in his vision, we need serious reconciliation the DA and ANC is creating a rift between the races whether they intend doing it or not that is what's happening in practise.

  • Christopher Grant Rogers - 2013-03-27 21:24

    Whether we like it or not, whether we admit or not but everything stems from the leadership of this country. Those in leadership positions need to set an example. Until a new party leads this country nothing will improve.

  • Fezile Russ - 2013-03-27 21:29

    TIME TO SHOUT IS OVER NOW ALL WE WANT IS ACTION THAT SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS .ACTION MAMA PLZ .

  • Peter Mokoena - 2013-03-27 21:31

    The only reason for the government to rule till Jesus return, is to keep people illeterate, build them box rdp houses, give little girls grants to have children. In that way they will think they owe them something.. They should never know the truth.. Fact..

  • Tlotlo Phele - 2013-03-27 21:40

    Yes forefathers fought for us to have a brighter future, not our current corrupt fat cats, scandal after scandal is all u see, know where you come from but also know where u going

  • Tlotlo Phele - 2013-03-27 21:45

    True

  • Erna Westdyk - 2013-03-27 21:51

    SA isn't a true democracy at all never mind a caring one.

  • blessing.khumalo.90 - 2013-03-27 21:55

    Come to kzn and please talk what we dont know weve had enough of broken promises by the anc

  • George Brighton Shikhibana - 2013-03-27 21:58

    Waste of time from old lady. Old Ramphele must join DA, UDM,COPE and all the opposition parties to form a coalition, they will dismally fail against the mighty ANC. ANC is the party for all, unlike Agang which is going to protect our looted resources by Europeans. White people will vote for you Ramphele ! Long live the spirits of Oliver Tambo and Chris Hani

      Tersia Louw - 2013-03-27 22:39

      Oliver Tambo and Chris Hani would be horrified at the path the ANC is on; this is NOT the ANC they dreamed of.

  • Skhalo Ratau - 2013-03-27 22:22

    Jst kp on cmplning...th ruling party is going 2 win again 4 . 2014 elections yr recomendations nd suggestions ar nt feed enough 2 led dwn th ruling party...u ar stll going 2 cmpln untll 2050..we all no tht th.rs a lack of many things in th.s country including those u no inside yr heart...bt dnt frgt tht majority rule.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-03-27 22:40

      What are you blethering on about, Skhalo?

      Yanga Mali - 2013-04-01 14:35

      You don't know what u r saying Skhalo hey

  • Stephen Radebe - 2013-03-27 22:22

    I think more service is what the people want speak what you think is right for the people.

  • mfaniseni.thusi - 2013-03-27 22:48

    She reminds me of 'Mother Terressa' .

  • Skhalo Ratau - 2013-03-27 22:50

    Passengers are always complaining 2 th driver nd th sccr suppoters ar alwys cmplnng 2 th coach...so kp on complaining ginius ppls..

  • nthabiseng.magatikele - 2013-03-28 00:27

    Pls hurry up Mama Ramphele save us,our country's drowning.hopefully you won't devide and dictate us like some leadership I used to put my trust on.

  • Yanga Mali - 2013-04-01 14:41

    Me m up for a coalition of all the opposition parties to form a new party,dat party will be so powerfull even f t doesn't take power to the anc bt they will feel the pressure,prior 2014 election ramphele you will nt do t alone

      Kobedi Motaung - 2013-04-02 15:25

      Y.Mali,I totally agree with you.Taking into account the recent happenings in our country,we really need a strong opposition coalision that will shake the ANC.

  • Jaimie Oxford - 2013-06-19 09:14

    When a political party wins an election it often mistakes it's role as a SERVANT of the people and becomes their RULER. The government works for the people not for themselves. S.P.Q.R. FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE !

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