SA not bought by 'petrodollars' - Mbeki

2012-02-16 22:47

Cape Town - The African Union (AU) and South African government's initial refusal to recognise the National Transitional Council (NTC) in Libya was not because of corruption through "petrodollars", former president Thabo Mbeki said on Thursday.

"The charge has been made that we took the positions we did to oppose the abuse of the United Nations Security Council to effect regime-change in Libya, because we had been corrupted by these petrodollars," he said.

"Once again I would like unreservedly to repudiate the fabrications that have been propagated that the AU depended on Libya for its budget requirements, and that Libya supported the African National Congress in any way whatsoever during the period of our struggle against the apartheid regime prior to 1990."

Mbeki was speaking at the annual Dullah Omar Memorial Lecture at the University of the Western Cape.

He said that much of the local media and its domestic counterparts, as well as "so-called analysts" had reinforced the belief that slain Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi aided the ANC in its struggle against apartheid.

South Africa and the AU refused to recognise the NTC as the new legitimate authority in Tripoli, Libya up until September last year.

Instead, a mediation towards a peace deal between the NTC and Gaddafi's government was proposed.

Gaddafi was shot dead on October 20 by Libyan forces.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-16 23:20

    Another denial. The second one in one speech. Seems to me the lady protests too much...

      VoiceOfReason - 2012-02-17 11:51

      And why did Mandela's daughter name her first born Zondwa Gadaffi Mandela?

  • Fidel - 2012-02-16 23:20

    Baxelele Mongameli!

      John - 2012-02-17 00:09

      Xhosa is getting badly touched by my comments above. I don't care who will prevail, but keep in mind that it's hard for logic to prevail over emotion.

      Pierre - 2012-02-17 06:47

      Nothing to forgive. Mbeki was a good president. The HIV/AIDS and ARV'sdebate was more complex than most people want to make it.

  • MastersVoice - 2012-02-17 00:19

    Who is this Thabo Mbeki?

      kthage - 2012-02-17 00:56

      Google and Wikipedia are your friends.

      John - 2012-02-17 04:45

      Kabelo, If you have your degree and experince based on wikipedia or google..... Ma Bra...I'll write on Wiki specialy for you "How Kabelo went to Moon"

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-17 06:31

      Thanks kthage. Went there, and it told me who he was. Not who he is. Seems there are quite a few has-beens raising their voices in South African politics these days...

  • Neil - 2012-02-17 01:19

    Libya never support ANC - hogwash. "Once again I would like unreservedly to repudiate the fabrications that have been propagated that ...and that Libya supported the African National Congress in any way whatsoever during the period of our struggle against the apartheid regime prior to 1990." vs "This man helped us at a time when we were all alone, when those who say we should not come here were helping the enemy (South Africa's white government)," Mandela said. vs

      Siboniso - 2012-02-17 07:51

      I am sorry to disappoint u but yo hero Mandela who was in jail till 1990 has got his facts wrong if he means dat Gaddhafi helped the ANC prior to 1990. The ANC never received a cent frm Gaddhafi in its exile years, only the PAC did. Most people, let me correct dat, most white people will believe anything dat Mandela says esp if it serves them and their illusions well.

      ngoako.mathekga - 2012-02-17 10:45

      Wikipedia is not and will never be a reliable source of information. Anyone can put his/her propaganda there. Be it about SA or another country better authenticate that information with reliable sources.

  • kevin.rack - 2012-02-17 03:33

    Do you think if Libya or Sudan had NO oil we would see milatary intervention??? Some one needs a return for the money spent on the soldiers. NATO is fast becoming a mercenry force for oil companies ans coutries that need the resource. Oh and by the way Thabo, Gidaffi did supply money but that is not important.

      Siboniso - 2012-02-17 07:32

      Gaddhafi never gave a cent to the ANC in exile, only after 1990. He helped and trained PAC guerrilas but never the ANC.

      VoiceOfReason - 2012-02-17 11:49

      @Siboniso, if true when why is his Mandela's grandson called Zondwa Gadaffi Mandela?

  • Larry - 2012-02-17 04:19

    Possibly South Africa was not bought, but I bet that a few of the Cadres were. Now its China, the ANC moves where the money is.

  • Barefoot - 2012-02-17 05:07

    Now the U.S is very biased i can't claim to know why but looking at recent activities i can confirm it- they went to Iraq with limited intel on Weapons of Mass Destruction, now they have proof of WMD in Iran but they fail to act even Israel wants to attack Iran. went to Libya because civilians were being killed? what is happening in Syria now? for how long?

      lindz.kok - 2012-02-17 07:21

      correction when iran publicly threatend to atack isreal and suport any country or organisation to go againdt isreal.

      Heiku - 2012-02-17 09:57

      War has never been fair.

  • Max - 2012-02-17 05:24

    I think you and your ANC comrades can be bought with pretty much anything ranging from billions for mining rights to a few cents for a travel claim, why the high ground now all of a sudden?

  • Wesley - 2012-02-17 05:33

    But we are bought by Chinese dollars

  • hein.huyser - 2012-02-17 06:32

    Same guy who said aids is a rumour? Or that there is nothing wrong uo North. Now he shows to have selective amnesia. A huge lesson for those who "bank" on the cANCer to bail them out in the future. They will use you and forget you. Mbeki, your time's up, go where-ever, but just go now

      Siboniso - 2012-02-17 07:36

      He has no amnesia, u r commenting on a matter dat u know nothing about. The ANC never received a cent from Libya in its exile years, only after 1990. Libya helped fellow comrades of the PAC, never the ANC.

  • Jacques Jacobs - 2012-02-17 06:39

    His right in one way: It wasn't petrodollars that made them refuse to recognize the NTC, it was stupidity. On the other hand, SA might not be controlled by petrodollars but we are definitely controlled by Chinese money. From a Dutch colony to a British colony and from the Nats to the Chinese. Africa just begs to be controlled by someone not African.

      Siboniso - 2012-02-17 07:43

      Can u plse enlighten those of us in the dark as to how SA is being controlled by China?

      Jacques Jacobs - 2012-02-17 08:37

      I don't even want to justify that with an answer but I'm a teacher and it's in my nature to teach (or at the least empower people to better THEMSELVES) so here we go: Do some research into who is SA's biggest trade partner, China. Ever heard of the Dalai Lama? He is a peaceful old man with the same ideals as the ANC had in the past and he was denied a visa so we would not anger our yellow masters. Look at the freedom of information bill and compare it to Chinese policies and then tell me who's idea it was? Definitely not the ANC. Wake up and smell the stench of corruption bud.

      Fiboy - 2012-02-17 09:35

      On the contrary Jacque, it was not stupidity. It was the fact that "advanced" democracies were using the "United" Nations to effect regime change in the name of "security". We all know why/how the Arab Spring came about and the fact that it had nothing to do with the people on the ground or "democracy", whatever that is.

  • Maximumstress - 2012-02-17 06:58

    Mbeki is correct: "they" were not corrupted by petro dollars. They already were corrupted to the core. Mbeki repeatedly showed that the Freedom Charter and the Constitution of SA and the principles embodied therein were mere documents to be used as toilet paper.

  • Hugo - 2012-02-17 07:21

    mein fuhrer

  • Gustav - 2012-02-17 07:27

    Yes Thabo, you just keep on telling that to yourself...

  • Ig - 2012-02-17 08:37

    Ou thabo, jy se dit net vir die politiek, drol, julle is net sulke groot pelle met Sirie, en wanneer dit julle pas, is julle skielik teen hulle!!!

      Ig - 2012-02-17 08:43

      Ja, and go on pension please!!

  • ben.nel2 - 2012-02-17 09:07

    Thabo the Paranoid Android

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-17 11:17

    Mbeki, if you intend re-entering politics then I suggest you avoid the outright lies favored by your cadre in the ANC, We do not believe you, your government has a history of basing its existence on lies as do your leaders. liar!!

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-17 11:27

    Viva to the second best president South Africa has ever had...

      VoiceOfReason - 2012-02-17 12:56

      Who was the first, DF Malan?

  • Ahmed - 2012-02-17 14:57

    something to read on Wikipedia : My Lai Massacre

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