SAHRC to study Xingwana footage

2013-02-27 19:37

Johannesburg - The SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) will study footage on Women, Children and People with Disabilities Minister Lulu Xingwana's comments about young Afrikaner men and Calvinism, it said.

"We are in the process of collating information on this matter, including reviewing the transcripts from the interview, and we will make pronouncements and engage with the relevant stakeholders in due course," the commission said.

"We, however, believe that any attempt by any person to make gross generalisations that cast aspersions on any language, race or religious group is something completely unacceptable and not keeping with our Constitution," said Isaac Mangena.

This follows complaints from some organisations about comments she made during an Australian Broadcasting Commission interview on Oscar Pistorius and violence in South African society.

The remark that caused the reaction was: "Young Afrikaner men are brought up in the Calvinist religion believing that they own a woman, they own a child, they own everything and therefore they can take that life because they own it."

She added: "We also have cultural differences as well in our own communities where we have women who are forced into marriage and we are dealing with all those issues."

The segment followed Pistorius being charged for murder after his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp was shot dead in his house.

The Democratic Alliance were among those who asked that the commission should investigate the matter.

"This is an offensive and divisive remark," said DA national spokesperson Mmusi Maimane.

"The [SAHRC] must investigate it; and the minister should apologise and formally withdraw her comment," said Maimane, who described the comment as a "gross generalisation" and "ill-informed".

Maimane said no ethnic or racial group could be singled out in the fight against violence against women and children.

"It is a societal problem that we must all face together," he said.

Twisted view

The Freedom Front Plus said the remarks were a crude generalisation and factually wrong.

"The comments say more about the minister's own twisted view of Afrikaners than of real Calvinism, which preaches the exact opposite," said FF Plus leader Pieter Mulder.

Xingwana was in Cabinet in Cape Town, her spokesperson Cornelius Monama said when asked for comment. He hoped to receive a response from her soon.

Mulder said: "If the same generalisations had been made about young black men, who per capita commit the most murders in South Africa, the minister would have been the first to have screamed racism and unfair generalisations."

Mulder said the FF Plus would raise Xingwana's comments in Parliament and would submit a complaint to the commission.

"I will also be raising this issue in Cabinet as an example of irresponsible comments which do not make any contribution toward better relations in South Africa."

Earlier on Wednesday, the Christian Democratic Party said President Jacob Zuma had no option but to fire Xingwana.

"Many non-Afrikaners, black and white, are members of Calvinist churches and her latest statement could be considered as religious intolerance," said CDP spokesperson Rev Theunis Botha.

"The country does not need demolishers in Cabinet or any other place in government, but bridge-builders."

The Afrikanerbond said Xingwana had "abused her office" and did not reflect honour or dignity in her position.

"This minister has proven beyond any doubt that she is not fit to hold office in a constitutional democracy," Afrikanerbond secretary Jan Bosman said in a statement.

Bosman said Xingwana's statements were an "extreme verbal attack on the integrity of Afrikaners".

"It is unwarranted, uncalled-for and without any substance. At the very least the minister owes Afrikaners, men, women and children, an apology without any reservations," Bosman said

"We can only deduce that she chose to attack Afrikaners to create a smoke-screen for her total lack of any programme of action whilst [minister] and to deflect from the serious allegations of corruption and mismanagement in her department and her failure to provide a report with details about these allegations to Parliament."

The Afrikanerbond would take up the matter with Zuma's office.

Meanwhile, Afrikaner lobby group AfriForum said on Tuesday it was considering bringing a complaint before the Equality Court against Xingwana.

Roets said AfriForum had submitted the matter to its legal team.

  • SharonE - 2013-02-27 19:40

    Quite an achievement, Lulu. Not many people are able to put both feet in their mouth at the same time!

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-02-27 19:58

      Liewe Lulu, jou brein het gaan doedoe Jou mond is vol poepoe Jy's 'n regte ou noenoe...

      Reginald_Jeeves - 2013-02-27 20:34

      You are being very kind with your adjective "inane". I would opt for the more descriptive "hebetudinous", "torpid" or just plain old "dim-witted"

      Reginald_Jeeves - 2013-02-27 22:22

      One can achieve the both-feet-in-the-mouth trick very easily. It just takes some over-the-top expensive tax payer funded office furniture to get into the optimal position first.

  • mantlekilo - 2013-02-27 19:50

    One of your female colleaugues in Parliament (SS I think) said it best...........'shutup !'

  • Thebe Tau - 2013-02-27 20:00

    She has retracted her statement and apologised but will people here on news24 retract their statements that black men are aggressive?

      Reginald_Jeeves - 2013-02-27 20:35

      Do you aggressively insist that they do?

      PointBlank - 2013-02-27 21:17

      I agree with you Thebe.

      berendjen.geldenhuys - 2013-02-27 21:24

      Has she retracted? Thebe Tau, are YOU all there?

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:06

      Lol - I'm sure people like Dali Tambo are particularly "aggressive" with their ladies. ;-)

  • piet.snot.77964 - 2013-02-27 20:16

    Retracted the statement? I bet she still thinks that way. She is a racist through and through - we now know how she thinks. I hope she never accuses anyone else for being a racist.

  • David Mbongo - 2013-02-27 20:16

    U c y i h8t democracy cos womes disrespect men.but let's enjoy united s.a

  • craig.s.pepper - 2013-02-27 20:18

    Nothing will happen to this cANCerous SLAG. She will keep on demonstrating to the rest of the world what "Feet in mouth disease" looks like.

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:16

      Sure she was stupid, but surely there are better things to have a hernia about?

  • Adrian Cloete - 2013-02-27 20:20

    what a dwis!

  • Louis - 2013-02-27 20:21

    strongs to the SAHRC- i find it difficult to watch the moment lulu appears on screen nevermind STUDYING her...

      berendjen.geldenhuys - 2013-02-27 21:26

      Ja wragtag!

  • phillip.dewaal - 2013-02-27 20:22


  • Navigating manifestations - 2013-02-27 20:38

    This tannie hit a nerve.

      sean.wasserman.3 - 2013-02-27 20:41

      Damned right, and I'm not even Afrikaans.

      berendjen.geldenhuys - 2013-02-27 21:27

      This tannie is crazee and she does not know it. Neither do you!

  • kenneth.fisher.750 - 2013-02-27 20:40

    We want to hear the apology on the same radio show on which the comments were made.

      Reginald_Jeeves - 2013-02-27 21:51

      I see you are a pink satan, kenneth. Heehee. Sounds very un-scary.

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:18

      You'll have to ask the radio station to have her. They might possibly have moved on.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2013-02-27 20:41

    Royal game chaps!

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2013-02-27 20:42

    People dont let dimwits get to you!

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:22

      That's what I say!

  • Annelise Van Der Schyff - 2013-02-27 20:45

    Lulu is a vetg@y racist disgusting behavior by a moroon!!!!!she should model for rent a tent

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:23

      Not only is she a maroon, she's also a crimson! Nx!

  • Larry Simon - 2013-02-27 21:03

    One day we are really going to be shocked when one of these ministers actually talk some sense. I might wait a long time!

  • tiaan.vanderberg.75 - 2013-02-27 21:12

    Dear Minister, what about mr Sexwale? Does he also own Judy? And all the black women that are so savagely raped and Brutally murdered by their husbands and boyfriends, are they any different? Does your very own culture of polygamy not introduce the principle of male supremacy? What about the young girl in Bredasdorp who was raped, gutted, disemboweled and left to die like an animal, where these perpetrators also brought up by calvinist Afrikaners? My suggestion is that you rather keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you are an illiterate fool than to open it and remove all doubt. It is people like you who perpetuate the unfortunate stereotype of the stupidity of your constituency. Thula Mama. Asseblief my lief.

  • Nicola Rushin nee Davis - 2013-02-27 21:19

    I'm English-speaking and married to an Afrikaans man. Smartest move I ever made! I don't know about other Afrikaans men but my Boerseun is loving, loyal and gentle AS WELL AS strong and respectful, especially when it comes to providing for me and my kids and my wish to be a full-time mother. He may not "own" me but he sure has "won" me over completely!

      Nicola Rushin nee Davis - 2013-02-27 21:33

      Jub Guy, I think that one day (hopefully when you become Jub Man) you will be ashamed of the comment you just posted.

      Xoli Mbambo - 2013-02-27 21:40

      Ye right victims of absuse speak the same Nic.

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:26

      Full-time mother? Oh, so you're a trophy wife? So, why argue with the minister, then? :-/

  • Marie - 2013-02-27 21:33

    Reflection of theA NC choice of ministers! Forgot to mention the mAn who was not brought up by Calvinistic values!! Thee kill with stolen and unlicensed guns!! As wee speak! How many thousand of people live 's could be spared??!! if only !! Myne hart goes out for Reeva family and friends

  • Gift Mpho Letsoalo - 2013-02-27 21:38

    do we stil hav such govt oficial makin discriminatory speech on behalf of the government? she is wrong to hold that position

      Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-02-28 07:33

      True - but you know what, when it suits them, South Africans tolerate racist speech. And they only rise up when it's directed at them. That's why it will never stop; and the likes of us, who aren't sensitive to racist speech, think everyone involved is a fool.

  • Erna Westdyk - 2013-02-27 21:48

    Unfortunately the anc ministers and officials are so arrogant that they think they can say anything and get away with it. Unfortunately, they do.

  • Reginald_Jeeves - 2013-02-27 21:48

    This is priceless, actually. Dear old Lulu, who, I might add, is A MINISTER in our cabinet (God help us!) actually thought it perfectly acceptable to spout such absolute nonsense over the public airwaves. It would make one double up with uncontrollable laughter were it not so distressingly sad. It's the funniest sad bit of news I've read since the ANC announced that they have appointed a team to find out why they are losing most of their court cases. THAT one actually had me stopping my car to take time off for a bit of knee-slapping and laughing until the tears ran and I got blue in the face. Imagine the bubble this government of ours lives in when they feel it necessary to appoint a team to investigate something "baffling" like that. Oh no, here I go again..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA

  • Mfundisi - 2013-02-27 22:08

    Another one with both feet in the mouth. Just can't resist. Apparently a politician. Lot to learn.

  • Phill Sarefa - 2013-02-27 22:53

    This old lady can really speak from the cuff. She and Zuma must be twins. I mean she does the same thing Zuma does - they both get carried away easily, sign of lack of good education. We are in trouble! as for resignation or getting fired, it is extremely unlikely that it will happen. Tyical of ANC hildish arrogance.

  • Elmarie Botha - 2013-02-27 23:05

    Thank you Oscar.

  • Lynn Hattingh - 2013-02-28 05:31

    I hope you will throw the book at her, I have a few that I can donate and I am sure so do a lot of people. Oh and I can donate a tube of superglue for her mouth.

  • hendrik.oosthuizen.37 - 2013-02-28 07:33

    Follow the leader (Zuma), like the rest no control over there mouths and way of thought

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