SANDF battling, Sisulu says

2012-05-17 17:48

Cape Town - The SA National Defence Force budget cannot afford to take further cuts, Defence and Military Veterans Minister Lindiwe Sisulu said on Thursday.

The current budget was made under a global economic environment that continued to be uncertain, resulting in pressures being exerted on defence budgets across the world, she told the National Assembly during debate on her budget vote.

"This requires that we continue to seek to achieve higher levels of efficiency in all our operations and more precise targeting towards the achievement of our key priorities.

"While this is the case, it is also important to emphasise that the defence budget cannot afford to take further cuts, thereby shrinking the proportion to GDP to levels lower that the current low levels of 1.2% of GDP, as this will impact negatively on our readiness," Sisulu said.

The discussions and proposals being made as society debated the defence review document should help in determining the direction the SANDF needed to take and therefore the related resource allocations going forward.

The current budget allocation for 2012/13 was R37.5bn. It was expected to grow to R39.9bn in 2013/14, and reach R42.3bn in 2014/15.

Changes to the baseline over the medium-term expenditure framework (MTEF) period included R749.2m for borderline control, R23m for establishing the Office of the Military Ombud, and R600m for completing the strategic defence procurement programme.

"I need not state the obvious that every literate South African now knows that the budget falls far below the requirement that we wanted to cover all of our borders, resulting in a need to prioritise key areas and develop strategies that will ensure we are able to deter and prevent illegal activities in these areas," she said.

The defence department had done exceptionally well in its operation clean audit.

"Once we have declared ourselves out of the qualified delinquent status, which we know will be soon, we'll enter into serious negotiations with National Treasury about the increase of the defence budget."

No defence force anywhere in the world, which had the responsibilities the SANDF had, was as under-funded as the SANDF.

"We need to ensure that we are efficiently funded. Our value to the state in the defence of this country is the factor that should determine the size of our budget."

In the past, government's priorities determined the budget, now it was about the value of the investment to the state.

The SANDF had tirelessly spent the past three years to show that it used state resources responsibly, Sisulu said.

  • Adam - 2012-05-17 17:57

    Is this the spear of the nation??.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-17 18:02

      Steal less, maybe you will be trusted with more.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-05-17 18:53

      Well, my friend plays army, in the reserve corps and it sounds like a dog show. They whole place is inept and all they do is run around playing army. What they could actually do for us is zero so get rid of it, at this point, it makes no difference.

  • En - 2012-05-17 18:01

    Sisulu gets blamed a lot for problems she inherited. The arms deal for example was done and dusted long before she came around. In my experience she has done a lot for the SANDF (even though she has no experience fighting in some bush somewhere). If members were honest, salary and work conditions have been improving in the past few years. But there's only so much they can do with the current budget.

      En - 2012-05-17 18:24

      And how exactly is someone with experience going to run a defence force running at 1.2% of GDP? Even Chuck Norris and Rambo would throw in the towel. The pre-1994 defence force was doing so amazingly well because some estimates showed that they took in some years up to 5% of GDP from the budget. That was almost double (as a percentage) the amount countries like Germany and Britain spent at the time.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-17 18:48

      EN, she is a pathetic liar. she has lied about damage to one of the subs (soem dimwit connected 440 Volts to a 110 Volt sub and fried every cable and circuit), she has lied about the additional planes that accompanied "the one with the open fly" and the list is endless. where she did not lie is because she blatantly refused to answer questions. the SANDF starting with her is a disgrace.

      En - 2012-05-17 19:32

      Billions spent on arms was pretty much a once off payment. That has nothing to do with the day to day operational costs of running the defence force, which Sisulu is complaining about. For the amount of money that they have, branches like the air force and navy have been performing quite well given the circumstances. The army is stretched to the limit. I would say, unlike "other government departments" the SANDF tends to perform in proportion to the funding it receives. When last did you read about a huge corruption scandal in the SANDF, as opposed to reading about it almost daily about the police, public works, etc etc. Give Sisulu a break

      Benn - 2012-05-17 19:52

      The "generals" look more like bus drivers and I am sure, equally as efficient

  • Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-17 18:12

    You mean there is not enough for all my corrupt friends.

      Neliswa - 2012-05-17 19:36

      Youth development is very important in this country,we end up going outside south africa for opportunities we should have been offered here.

  • dave.leverton - 2012-05-17 18:12

    Sell some submarines - we don't need them. Clean audit ? yesterday you said there was R250 million unaccounted for. R750 million for border control - what border control ?

      threvor.mostert - 2012-05-17 18:26

      So let me understand this correctly you say that we must sell submarines, which form a critical part of our seaward defence in order to pay the soldiers, sailors, the bills and whatever else. Don't you think it will affect our country's security status and otherwise expose some sort of weakness and instability. I'd suggest you rather think before you comment. The honourary minister has done nothing but excell in her appointment thus far and should rather be commended and her speech be supported.

      bill.vanzyl - 2012-05-17 18:34

      Why do we need a defense force? Who is going to attack us from the sea or over land? What we need is an effective and efficient police service, an effective border control agency, and a coast guard and nothing more! We are not involved or exposed to any regional conflict - and there is absolutely no chance of invasion by our neighbors, we do not need an air force with a strike capability, but we do need a search and rescue capability, through a coastguard perhaps? There is no need for battle tanks, submarines, fighter aircraft, bombers, armoured cars, artillery, or any other military strike force. Reallocate the Defense Budget to be used effectively and use the surplus for stuff our country really needs - hospitals, schools, poverty alleviation - not military peacekeeping forces elsewhere on the continent.

      dave.leverton - 2012-05-17 18:41

      Our seaward defence against who ? The last time they tried to take a sub to sea they crashed it in the harbour - I hardly think it will be a force to be reckoned with in deep sea.

      En - 2012-05-17 19:17

      DAVE...please stop spicing up stories if you dont have a decent reply. Please explain why we had submarines pre-1994? Why did we need them then? Funny how you point out that the submarine crashed into the harbour, and we aren't a force to be reckoned seem to forget (or not know at all) about the exercises our subs have been involved in. If you want, please read through the following.

      En - 2012-05-17 19:20

      2007-9-4 21:12 Atlantic Ocean - A lone South African submarine has left some North Atlantic Treaty Organisation commanders with red faces on Tuesday as it "sank" all the ships of the Nato Maritime Group engaged in exercises with the SA Navy off the Cape Coast. The S101 - or the SAS Manthatisi - not only evaded detection by a joint NATO and SA Navy search party, comprising several ships combing the search area with radar and sonar; it also sank all the ships in the fleet taking part. Several times during the exercise that lasted throughout Monday night and Tuesday morning a red square lit up the screens where the surface ships thought the submarine was, but it remained elusive. This gave Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota something to brag about when he landed on the SAS Amatola to speak to the media on Tuesday. "To be able to frustrate detection by NATO nations is no mean achievement; it speaks of the excellence of the equipment we required for this purpose." And while this left one of the world's strongest military alliances frustrated, it was also a sign that the group had a capable partner in Africa, Lekota said. "With sustained co-operation with foreign forces such as NATO, we are well positioned to respond to any unforeseen circumstances that may confront either ourselves or other regions," he said. Lekota was quite clear that a working relationship with NATO was desired.

      dave.leverton - 2012-05-17 19:22

      "Please explain why we had submarines pre-1994?" If I could I would but I honestly have no idea. No idea why we needed subs then and no idea why we need them now.

      bill.vanzyl - 2012-05-17 19:34

      Simply: We Do Not Need Submarines - Now or Pre-94. In fact we have not needed submarines since May 1945.... The submarines, frigates and corvettes, strike craft and other useless bits of equipment where and are there to stroke the egos of some politicians and a couple of has-been sailors who still believe in war.

  • Mphotent - 2012-05-17 18:17

    Is this minister efficient or a Pandor prototype, I seem to have a soft spot for her or maybe its a crush: I need one's opinion.

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  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-05-17 18:22

    Huh? You mean we have to worry about outside enemies also? Surely the Government is doing a good enough job of being the enemy already!?

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-17 18:39

    No no no , what are we taxed for ????? Oh yes funerals birthdays wives jujus jubjubs and on and on.......

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-17 18:46

    SANDF battling, Sisulu says who are we fighting?

      ompi.khang - 2012-05-18 06:42

      @Louis SANDF is fighting pirates on sea and rebels across Africa eg;Burundi,Congo,Sudan...Also keeping our borders safe and sometimes helping police internal

  • John - 2012-05-17 19:10

    Get rid of the over-bloated “cadre” compliment and save salaries/medical costs. Good old sheltered employment, seems the NATS did leave something behind that the Government exploits to the max. I reckon Mugabe could invade SA with a Micro-light and a pellet gun. Even Lesotho kicked our a$$ a few years ago. The only thing the management of the SANDF is capable of defending are their fat-cat salaries.

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 19:35

      Really? How do u know? Have ever served in a zimbabwean army? if it was so mighty, why did u leave?, or were u booted out for your racial tendencies?, please dont u start it here, we are just fed up with it, if ure forcefully ejected out of sa, where will u go? ask yourself that question before u sleep, it might save u.

  • Wizeman - 2012-05-17 20:04

    I,ve served "time" in the old SANDF. Our instructions were to keep violence down within the RSA during apartheid. Apartheid is gone for good and will NEVER comeback again.The sooner the uninformed / brainwashed ANC followers realise this the better. In my days the SANDF had a purpose and that was to fight violence. Violence is now so "normal" that it's an everyday thing for a child or woman to be ripped apart for no reason! Those days you would not find too many overweight useless idiots riding the gravy train.(And yes there were some bad apples) These days the SANDF is a way of "job creation" and so is roadworks. I did 3 long distance trips to DBN via Bloem lately and was disgusted in the condition of the roads and even more to see the amount of people working on the "nowhere goig" repairs. I am a proud DA supporter and am constantly informing (and converting) my newfound ANC members of where all of this is leading. The writing is on the wall. They are screwing up and we will build a great nation!

      reg.nagel - 2012-08-23 14:56

      VIVA,DA VIVA....

  • mothminefield - 2012-05-17 20:24

    And a couple of hours later the same woman reports that the SANDF will train 20 000 recruits. Whith what money? Huh?

      Wizeman - 2012-05-17 20:38

      Apparently the fuel bill is the problem. Who keeps on taxing the fuel to the max? SAA is apparently also suffering from (gravy train) sorry fuel problems. But then again the investors (TAX PAYERS) are paying for the rears and my airticket will not get less I suppose.

  • John - 2012-05-17 21:11

    @Hadebe - I am not going to lower myself to your cANCer beliefs. I was in the SADF and served with pride (not that we had much choice) As for the Zim Army, who gives a sh1t about that cesspit of a country? Sadly SA is heading that way too 'cos you cannot let go of the past. If Zim is so beloved why don't you just f|_|ck off back there?

  • Wizeman - 2012-05-17 22:04

    There is no logical reason for spending a single sent on fighting any country at this point. Stop waisting money on crap and put it to good use. Billions, if not trillions could be saved by just getting rid of bad managedment.

  • Rocky - 2012-05-17 22:14

    Obviously Operation Boleas still haunts the "Carry on" squad.......lmao. What a bunch of canon balls. Whose intellect is missing in action?

  • - 2012-05-17 23:51

    Shame Lindiwe Sisulu won't beable to have her nails done 7 days a week. That Gucci outfit she saw last week on hollywood live is gonna have to wait, and the new furniture and mercedes she ordered is also going to have to be sent back. Shame hang in their Lindiwe

  • anthro45 - 2012-05-18 07:02

    The SANDF doesn't do anything anymore. Why do they need money?

  • Henri James Christie - 2012-05-18 07:31

    Dear Madam Minister, kindly confirm; is this organisation a National Defence Force or an alternative source of income for the jobless!!!

  • Sunday23 - 2013-03-13 21:20

    And why they promote only black people I'm a coloured and have 17 years vote is my I will make sure .lekker slaapie.

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