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SA's progress has stalled under ANC - DA

2012-09-29 22:43

Johannesburg - The progress South Africa has made since 1994 has stalled, Democratic Alliance spokesperson Mmusi Maimane said on Saturday.

"We don't need more people on grants; we need more people in jobs earning a better future for themselves and their families," Maimane said.

"A grant can help you to survive; but a job can improve your life. The ANC cannot fix these problems; because they are part of the problem."

He was speaking at a meeting with traditional leaders in the Dr JS Moroka municipality in Mpumalanga on Saturday.

People frustrated


The time has come to bring effective African National Congress members into the DA because things are changing in the country, he added.

"People are becoming more and more frustrated... there is a wave of strikes happening at mines across the country," he said.

Maimane said violent service delivery protests are happening across the country while President Jacob Zuma was engaged in a "daily battle with [expelled ANC Youth League leader] Julius Malema and other factions in the ANC."

On Thursday, DA leader Helen Zille said that warring factions on the "sinking ship" of the ANC posed an impending disaster the country would need to deal with.

"The divisions at the heart of government are the root cause of ungovernability (sic)," she said at the Cape Town Press Club.

Zille said the country needed a convergence in the political centre as none of the existing political parties, as currently constituted, could credibly offer this on its own.

Promises broken

Maimane said that the ANC broke the promise of 1994 and many members of the ruling party watch as South Africa is being torn apart by rival factions and personal interests.

"For some years, government delivered. Life did get better for awhile," he said.

"The ANC has taken us as far as it can. We now need something new to deliver the full promise of 1994."

Comments
  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-09-29 23:01

    "The progress South Africa has made since 1994 has stalled" Not stalled, unfortunately - deteriorated maybe more appropriate. How many jobs have been created / lost since 1994? How many businesses have closed down since 1994? How many skills lost to overseas countries since 1994? The ANC has FAILED. The report card is back with a hufe F on it. (F = Fuddup) Its about time people started to see the truth. Vote DA!!

      asdhasgd - 2012-09-29 23:04

      I'll drink to that :D

      majaheni.magagula - 2012-09-29 23:40

      Not easy at all the DA needs to do a lot to convince the majority of this country and it doesn't seem prepared to do that. They need to show commitment and genuine interest to the wishes and aspirations of the majority of this country. You can have all the best skills, good governance and know how, but if you are vague about the majority of the the country' respect,dignity and honor forget you will be always second to the ANC.

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-09-30 02:51

      The DA cannot even properly rule the Western Cape, what about the hwole country. To see things in context; compare what the Nats left us with in 1994 and how the ANC turned it around for the better in only 4 presidential terms.

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-09-30 11:42

      @ Shepard - tell that to the millions of unemployed black people who live in shacks, amd see if they agree with you!

      aj.oosthuizen.7 - 2012-09-30 15:16

      @shepards: you live in fricking Zimbabwe, what do you know about our country's situation?

      greg.mullen.73 - 2012-09-30 23:43

      how many blacks were even allowed to work in white jobs pre 1994 - how many now live normal lives - millions! how many white enlgish speakers now have to serve in an illegitimate minority army - NONE

      greg.mullen.73 - 2012-09-30 23:47

      thye werre handed a moraly and economically bankrupt nation - how many blacks worked in white jobs - none - how many now - millions who drive the consumer economy as the whites age and fade into insignificance. and how many white english speaking boys have to serve in the illegitimate botha regime army - NONE

      eddie.rocher - 2012-10-01 08:54

      @pierre.devilliers.9231 Wow the nats in 1994 left us with working hospitals, decent roads without potholes, schools that have books and a working force with little unemployment. I agree with you and can see how the ANC has turned it around in 4 presidential terms. We sit with Hospitals that is non functional, roads that is not safe to drive on for all the potholes, Schools without handbooks and nearly 50% unemployment. Clearly the ANC has turned it around for the worse. At least in the Western Cape we have functional Hospitals, Roads that is the best in South Africa with no potholes and schools that have handbooks, with one of the highest matric pass rate in South Africa.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-10-01 13:30

      @pierre and others; why do so many people on this site want to totally slam either the DA or the ANC? One of the best things that could happen to SA is to have a strong ANC and DA where they challenged each other over the issues and how the party in power had done in the previous years. It would be a debate about how best to move forward and which party was DOING (not just talking) the best job. There wouldn't be talk about ruling till Jesus came back or that the DA would return the country to Apartheid, but rather about ideas and policies and strategies for creating more jobs, better housing, better service delivery. I've said it before on this site the ANC needs the DA to be a strong party. One party nations don't survive for long especially in Africa.

      boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-10-01 19:45

      The litmus test is to see how happy the different groups of people are in south africa. Then further - why are they happy? The anc does not have an idea about governing or being fair and friendly to all groups. If ever an african communist mafia governed a country then the anc would be the first. No wonder de klerk ran away after a year with the anc, he saw what he and meyer had done and knew the crap had hit the fan for all minorities. The country has not stalled, it is in a nose dive and will crash and burn soon. The next downgrade by Moodys will cause the regime to fold. Watch for it ! Coming soon...

      Paul - 2012-10-01 21:49

      The reason why ppl will note vote 4 the beloved DA is cos ppl keep on sayin before 94 thins were better,I mean really?better 4 who?r u indirectly tellin me we shud go back to pre 94,I can't trust u with my vote cos I personaly know how it was then,if white ppl will just stop comparin the now gov n the apartheid gov,blv me no matter wat u say ppl will never buy that story and yes I'm not happy with the corrupt leaders runing our county now,we need ppl who hav the best intrest of the citizens at heart,not those who blv we were better pre 94

  • Mario Bisogno - 2012-09-29 23:08

    ANC stole more then the gave.true

  • BulletProof. - 2012-09-29 23:26

    Yes , Corruption, Thieving, Killings, Unemployment, No Health care and much more We are fed up, is about time to fix this country.

      christopher.collings.9 - 2012-09-30 04:28

      letsatsi.gabriel wtf do u know about apartheid? U werent even born then u little boy

  • majaheni.magagula - 2012-09-29 23:31

    Some of Maimane's comments are true, even though like all politicians he blowing things out of proportion. There has been significant progress in this country since 1994, however its not enough more still needs to be done more especially on reducing unemployment levels and reducing dependance on grants. Nepotism, corruption and complacency on the ruling party is making things worse. All the opposition parties in this country including the DA are to blame because they are failing to give the country an alternative to the ANC. All they know is just critisizing, they have been doing that close to 20 years now but it seems still they don't realize that it doesn't work.We need creative and competent leaders who will give the country an alternative to the ANC not just people who will only give a lip service.

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-09-29 23:41

      The opposition parties to not just criticise for the sake of it! Tell me, if Patricia de Lille did not pursue the arms deal corruption, and if the DA had not brought to light the situation with the dumped text books, would anyone of us know about it? Or would you rather not know?

      aidan.classe - 2012-09-30 03:21

      @majaheni Criticizing is part of politics and it works. The ANC is losing support and the DA is gaining, it's slow but unless the ANC cleans up it's act and starts to deliver (giving less opportunity for criticism) the slide will continue.

      a18nukem - 2012-09-30 06:39

      majaheni how is telling the truth blowing things out of proportion? I guess seeing as you are ANC you become accustomed to accepting the lies of your party all the time. Lets be honest here, the ANC did very little good that would be freeing the majority (partially), bringing a minor amount of foreign investment, and building a small black middle class. They have done pretty much nothing for the Coloureds/Indians/Asian groups accept shove them even more into a corner, I think we can all agree on that. So when you weigh the Pro's of the ANC against the Cons, the Cons win hands down, it's landslide. The majority doesn't vote for the ANC cause there is no alternative, they vote for the ANC cause they are ignorant and illiterate, and the ANC destroying the education system doesn't help either. Your reply is that of a typical ANC member, always passing the buck. You'll never wrong for your faults, right? Always everyone else. The ANC has taught you well in denial and deception. Wake up your government never cared for the poor and never will care, and while you one of the few that got lucky others are still suffering, and will continue to suffer at the hands of your government.

      shane.hansen.31 - 2012-09-30 08:56

      They are giving an alternative but the majority can't see past what's in front of them..l

      peter.huxham.9 - 2012-09-30 11:08

      majaheni,Not sure what all the thumbs down are for regarding your comment, it`s very true that any critisism should always be followed up with a viable alternative, critisism also needs to be given with a good dose of empathy to get universal buy in of the idea you are presenting.

      jaba.kov - 2012-10-01 12:06

      I own a metal factory in Edenvale. In 1994 there were 1.4million South African workers in the Metal industries. Today there are less than 200thousand. We lost over a million jobs because the ANC and their Union friends have scared off investors... thousands of factories have closed. BEE/AA failed because instead of creating new industries and factories the government tried to change the colour of the management team. ANC may have increased the black middle class I agree, but the vast majority of blacks are still in shanty towns. In a country with so many natural resources this is unacceptable. SA should have a 5% unemployment not 25%! Its time for the ANC to move over and let someone else try to tackle this problem.

  • frederikrudolph.vandyk - 2012-09-29 23:56

    Tell us something we dont know?

  • bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-30 00:19

    C'mon South Africa-----please stop fighting on these social networks but bring a solution or a brillient idea on the table. If white people or anti ANC people keep blaming the ANC then ANC will retaliate and we are going to fight,fight and fight for sweet nothing.There are no winners in this game.Yes I know that (we) as black people went through a terrible odeal under the hands of white people.So don't blame us if we don't trust you but make us see that you've changed and you can be trusted. Bashing about how good the DA is will never help you and will never make black folks trust you.Don't you think it's about time now that you come with a different verse that can melt our hearts and give the next leader/leaders a chance based on the competency and not on skin colour? TOGETHR WE CAN DO MORE.

      Danette Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-30 01:09

      @Bongeka: What? Really?

      bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-30 01:31

      @Danette Janse van Rensburg:Just start by seeing other races as South Africans and the ANC as a big,old and respected political party with just bad management.We know where we're lacking and most of us want to turn things around so everybody can live together in harmony.But if you keep painting us with the same brush then we are going to say NO and believe that some things will never change.Fighting will never take us anywhere but negotiating might lead us to a solution.We can do this, all we have to do is be patient,listen and respect each other.

      vandeventer.sarel - 2012-09-30 02:20

      Why dont u vote udm or cope then if u know anc is bad? I actualy like bantu holomisa, nice guy that

      bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-30 02:30

      Looks can be deceiving "vandeventer.sarel".And I don't vote or judge people based on their skin colour but as long as you show me the pontential to deliver then you'll have my vote.Anyway, none of them (Cope and UDM) has convinced me that they have the interest of the people at heart.

      aidan.classe - 2012-09-30 03:03

      @Bongeka Talking in majority terms (and in the very general terms you've phrased your comment) - In South Africa, Black people can decide who is in power in National Government. There's no need to distrust white people or to trust them either, white people can't control who is in government, the majority decides. We all want the best possible government, for me that means voting out corruption and non-performance on issues like education, housing, job-creation and service delivery - wether it's ANC, DA or other. I don't think white people care if it's the ANC or the ABC, the DA or the BA as long as it's performing good governance and things are getting better.

      Tando Dikela Zito - 2012-09-30 03:33

      Mwaaaaaaaaa Bongie. U ve said it all sweety

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-09-30 04:36

      Oh, what a brilliant comment, sisi, Bongi. I couldn't say better and I won't add or subtract anything least I spoil it. I am working and studying at the University of South Africa for my law degree with two white ladies that we have grown fond of each other. We compliment each other on almost everything. If they are racist they are very best in hiding it. We trust each other. We respect each other. One is of the same age with me while the other one is young enough to be our daughter. On Mondays we ask each other about our week-ends. Why all of us can't do that for starters rather than being at each others throats every time?

      bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-30 05:29

      My point exactly "aidan.classe".I for one don't give a damn who runs the country.He/she can be black,white or yellow, as long as they're doing a good job then I'm happy.But then again these nusty and racial comments that are posted on these forums are not doing any good.Instead they're adding fuel on fire.We're trying to extinguish this fire but people are still holding on.

      peter.huxham.9 - 2012-09-30 11:17

      Bongeka, I like the way you think, and judging from the thumbs up looks like plenty others do as well. I think that if whites like me start interacting with some empathy, the solutions might be easier than we may have thaught. A good start would be some basic communications skills training to undersatnd what it takes to get someone to buy in to what your are saying.Even these forums could be great if the general insults could be replaced with constructive dialogue.

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-09-30 11:43

      @peter how much do you need to lick? Maybe if they stop throwing racial slurs at us white people then maybe we will be more understanding, but asking as your people is saying hang them the more I say drive them back to the bush

      peter.huxham.9 - 2012-09-30 12:42

      @ Clayton, I share your fear and frustration, I suppose a bad plan is better than no plan or is it, not sure if they will willingly go to the bush as much as we won`t willingly leave so I doubt that would work. We will have to find some common ground, as hard as it is emmotions and pride will have to be set aside. Pie in the sky? maybe.

      bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-30 21:56

      Thanks PeterHuxham.Only if we can get rid of this hatred we have against each other then we can build a beautiful country.We all need each other since we all have different expetise in different fields which can be used to benefit our country if used properly.Hating me and me hating you is not going to help us.Let's just swallow our prides,roll our sleaves and start working together. We both have nothing to lose but everything to gain for the bettermrnt of our country.Government will meet us on the way.Let's show our government how we want things done.They'll never know how we want it done if we don't show them.

  • hennie.vanderberg.5 - 2012-09-30 01:03

    Any one here on TIME LIVE ? ... Has any one here noticed that there comment section on there articles are becoming none existent ?? Where is the freedom of speech ?? F$#K Them then ... support freedom of Speech !!!

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-09-30 02:38

    The amount of stupidity of some people in the comment list below amazes me...people that are to stupid to open there eyes.This is soooo not about color anymore,and for all the people that bitch about white/black/yellow or whatever color,bunch of idiots.

  • rudi.linsleynoakes - 2012-09-30 03:04

    This Racist Spew in SA is exactly why people are so reluctant to vote for the better party, the DA... Not only have they proven they have the mental capacity to do the job, at the same time the have delivered a 'Rainbow Nation' just by showing different cultures / colours working integrated, together. It's time for people to look at the infrastructure in the Western Cape - sure long way to go.. But of an international standard. What Apartheid did was wrong, but these fat aristocrats that squander 3000 on a bottle of champagne didn't even hesitate, why cause they don't really care about anyone but their families as well as themselves so wake up people such as Bhekifa, you are a moron, or moomish in your own language!

      dimitripappas - 2012-09-30 04:54

      well said, he has proven to be a complete moron by the way he is blind to these facts. and he's not alone, there are thousands if not millions more that don't see the light either

      ellboyx - 2012-09-30 05:55

      Which cultures white people respect?

  • grant.montgomery.5074 - 2012-09-30 03:15

    My 5 cents worth : I don't see any new highways, dams, townships etc having been built since 1994 so where is the progress? All we have now is people with matric who are iliterate and survive on state grants. Where are all the new jobs Zuma promised? Why so many millions living in shacks? So much more...

  • lindokuhle.malindela - 2012-09-30 04:16

    i am so tired of people complaining that the Anc has done nothing since 1994. All these people are just ignorant and self-centered. The anc has done so much to uplift the country, obviously its not enough but they are trying. Look at how many first generation black students are persuing degrees at university, and almost 90% of those students are funded by government. Dat fact alone nje for me is enough that the government is trying, white people might not see this because probably they dont care about black people being educated, they probably dont want them2get educated. They still have \apartheid tendencies\ that whites are the only ones who should be educated. You ought to just get the freak outta here you \apartheid beneficiaries\

      pieter.lith - 2012-09-30 04:52

      Once again you sit and blame us white people for your problems while a black man writes an article on what is really happening in South Africa. Clearly you have never been to a first world country where people from all races and back grounds work together to build a nation, NO but here is SA its all about you and how the whites messed up. YES the PREVIOUS government messed up but here we are....a new generation that wants what's best for black, white, etc. I for one really want a country that I can share with you and most whites has excepted but some how your people are the ones that don't want to forgive and move on. Sorry but deal with it

      Notrax123 - 2012-09-30 04:55

      You speak of education, the quality of education is the problem, pupils in schools are not passing so the passmark is made less so more pupils pass?? University level... students continualy rioting, preventing other students from attending classes, burning and damaging university buildings - because they do not want to pay the fee's or they are so far behind with the fee's. Now you say that the ANC government is funding around 90% of the students, it is not the 10% that riot and cause chaos. Freedom, economic freedom comes from education - a good quality education. The students have to realize that they actually have to put a large amount of effort into their studies to do well. The ANC government with all their good intentions are causing long term damage, for example accepting that school pupils can by all means fall pregnant and still attend school, once the child is born the girl can then get a child grant. What message is this giving to the youth? Girls see it as a income and many have more than one child while still attending school. Quality of education = quality of life. I may be 'white', what I have is what I worked for, my lessons were not at university, my lessons were taught by the school of life. I believe that till the day we take our last breathes, we are still learning, we are learning how to die. I have had the good fortune to be part of tertiary technical education and I really feel pride when my 'black pupils' excel.

      mshiniboys - 2012-09-30 05:05

      Oh please not a blame game again..the anc could have done way better...do you know that the budget speeches made yearly talk about only a fraction of the overal money that is collected in the country.black people at varsity get loans like nsfas from the govenment.when do you start living if all you must do is to pay that back with interest? That is slavery and most poeple die while busy trying to repay it.who wants a govenment that is trying not doing? Trying what because every project they come up with fails before it starts working.how much are they spending sending soldiers to other countries? We are not in war in south africa,or are we? Back to education..nobody want to go to school now because people are given the impression that you can stay home and register a tender business.those who land a chance at universities still come from a bulk container school or under the tree school somewhere and can't speak a word in english..frustrated by computers and all requirements to submit assignments they start drinking and get excluded.mind you these millions of excluded students who come from a crumbling education system still have to repay nsfas regardless of their situation.they join the anc to look for easy money.amandla amandla... They get employed to work for municipalities.amandla amandla someone with a degree comes to theraten their jobs.they kill him.while service delivery suffers people suffer.

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-09-30 05:51

      This negativity exhibited by yourself and many other young people is also caused by the ANC. Graduates are unemployed and our education system is falling apart. The ANC use propaganda to blame whites for everything that goes wrong. The ANC buys the allegiance of the voters with t-shirts and meals before elections. The ANC say that if the voters do not vote for them, apartheid will return. The reality is that most white people voted to end apartheid before the majority of today's students were born. We would like to live and work in harmony. We don't like corruption and inefficiency though. The ANC is not doing you any favours, wake up and see the truth. Make the government work for you instead of selling your birthright for a cheap t-shirt.

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-09-30 05:52

      This negativity exhibited by yourself and many other young people is also caused by the ANC. Graduates are unemployed and our education system is falling apart. The ANC use propaganda to blame whites for everything that goes wrong. The ANC buys the allegiance of the voters with t-shirts and meals before elections. The ANC say that if the voters do not vote for them, apartheid will return. The reality is that most white people voted to end apartheid before the majority of today's students were born. We would like to live and work in harmony. We don't like corruption and inefficiency though. The ANC is not doing you any favours, wake up and see the truth. Make the government work for you instead of selling your birthright for a cheap t-shirt.

      Beverley Ainsworth - 2012-09-30 07:55

      If the government helped everybody to get an equal education and helped everybody with equal rights and not just some Black people, then I would voted the Beloved ANC! Right now, my vote goes to the party that I think is interested in helping to educate and develop progress in South Africa. In other true Democratic ruling countries, No one party gets to rule forever because while one party is not ruling, the other party gets time to think to make change better!

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:04

      @lindokuhle, The failure in our understanding of where we are, is basically a failure to see where we SHOULD have been by now. Other than RDP houses, the ANC have invested very little in infrastructure development. Even the GP highway improvement project was just that, an improvement on EXISTING infrastructure. In by the time 1994 came about, two major things had happened. The war in Angola, a massive drain on resources, and sanctions, another massive drain on resources, had ended. Factoring in just these two events, basically post 1994 we would have seen massive foreign investment, propping up the economy, and massive freeing of funds to grow the economy. We would have seen growth over the next 10 years in any event with ANY government in place. The ANC have taken credit for simply being along for the ride. They didn't have to do anything, and basically they didn't. But credit where credit is due. Between De Klerk and Mandela, they did prevent a degeneration into civil war, a route many other African countries did take post independence.

  • mshiniboys - 2012-09-30 04:34

    True that, grants have actually worked as a cover up for reality about this country.people are just happy to accumulate grants but reality strikes when children,who happen to be beneficiaries, grow up and have to start earning a living.these youths end up being compelled by the jobless circumstances to make more children thinking that they will be able to benefet even more on the grants programe.but you can not use that money to improve life but it can only drag you back into poverty because it is too little it can't even feed a puppy..let alone pay for good education.It was only put in place to enslave people mentaly so they keep on voting blindly in order for them to can 'hang on to the only one thing that the anc can give them' because there are no jobs.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-09-30 04:54

      @mshiniboys:)I couldn't agree more on your sentiments about grants. I always maintain that grants create a culture of dependency and won't alleviate poverty. I always get pounded by my peers when we I say that in the debates about current affairs. I always quote what was said by Mrs Margaret Thatcher at Commonwealth, in Dublin, in 1986, when Commonwealth countries were to vote whether to sanction South Africa or not. Forty-eight countries voted in favour against one, she said and I quote: \whether it's 48 against one I feel sorry for that 48\. My peers would laugh their lungs out.

  • ndlovuvincent - 2012-09-30 05:17

    To all those who hate the ANC,plse do things differently in order to show us that your parties are the best alternative.For u to organise meeting with the media and keep telling us about what we already know,shows that u are failing to offer something better which the ANC promised and failed to keep.If u only exist to tell us aabout the ANC failures,then u should form a new political party (as Zille has suggested) because u have no solution.Yes the country is in big mess but watch what is going to happen after 2014 election,the very same ANC will be mandated to lead the country one more time because the opposition parties are failing us by their failure to oust the ANC.If u think masses are blind,forget that u will ever rule this country if u leave racists comments about the supporters of the ANC.It is very unfair of the opposition parties to deny everything good done since 1994,although we know corruption is still rife.The ANC is like a vehicle which will win the race at any given time regardless of the issues disturbing them.I can c a lot of comments here are anti ANC but they are not stealing my vote instead they are begging me to be loyal to the ANC.You must remember where the ANC is coming from, although we are concerned about its destination.Even next week, we will hear DA bashing the ANC but not telling us the solution to the problems we are expiriencing.Peope must respect on this site and we all have rights to freedom of speech.The very same attitude adopted pre 1994 is coming up again.People must respect the choices made individually.

      Shaakeer Adam Seedat - 2012-09-30 05:32

      Love'm or Hate'm.. Every ruling party MUST have a strong opposition. THATS power to the people!

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:08

      The DA have already proven their competence, but I will list it for you as a reminder: Best education performance: WC Best run province: WC Best run metro: WC Cleanest municipality: DA Best municipality in GP: DA run Midvaal, which is also the ONLY municipality in the country to get a higher approval rating from its citizens that provincial and national government. Only Province to show jobs GROWTH during the economic downturn: WC Highest rate of RDP house contruction per capita: WC Lowest levels of corruption by province: WC I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

  • rebecca.pooe - 2012-09-30 05:44

    I wouldnt vote for Da even if HellenZ pays me, i wouldnt for Jayz even if Mandela says so, therefor next elections no one will get my vote,no one has worked hard for it,my vote is special,just like a girls first time ......

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-09-30 06:59

      @rebecca.... maybe I agree with you on that 'my vote is special' thing, but I am also listening very sharp and I'm starting to like what that Terror Lekota is saying... :)

      matieu.tzouves - 2012-09-30 13:52

      rebecca, you have an obligation as a voter to vote; sitting on the fence does not resolve the problem. Unfortunatelly, as with many other things in life, there is no perfect solution, no perfect political party. One has to look at the various parties and vote for the least "evil" one. But one must vote, otherwise there will be no change.

  • jan.matsetela - 2012-09-30 06:00

    SA' is going down the drain thanks to the ANC. Joburg today is like zoo, service in the goverment sectors is very poor.

  • John Peter Steyn - 2012-09-30 06:15

    People can't help themselves. the ANC will always be voted into power. The political future of SA looks bleak. The voters are like cattle, mindless and easily led.

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-30 06:34

      @ John: I do have hope that many will come to realize that the anc is an organization focused on retaining wealth for their selected few instead of having the interest of the people of this country at heart as they proclaim.

      dave.kofang - 2012-09-30 09:54

      @Peter John Steyn the voters are not mindless the way most people think.Many people notice good intention of the DA but we cant help when most people on this site make racist comment on a daily basis.It makes you wonder if the whites will one day treat blacks with respect.

      dave.kofang - 2012-09-30 09:54

      @Peter John Steyn the voters are not mindless the way most people think.Many people notice good intention of the DA but we cant help when most white people on this site make racist comment on a daily basis.It makes you wonder if the whites will one day treat blacks with respect.

  • letsatsi.gabriel - 2012-09-30 06:16

    i am not saying anc is that pefect.but i rather stay @ anc than going back to aparteit regim.

      mare.plessis - 2012-09-30 06:46

      Your comment is not a fair one, and I think that deep down you know it. How would voting for the DA take you back to apartheid? That is why we have a new constitution, that protects all our human rights. You would rather vote for a corrupt party that is gambling with our futures, based on a very poorly justified assumption? I don't believe that any reasonable, intelligent, honest black person could be voting for the ANC without some feeling of contempt and disappointment.

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:11

      The DA fought against Apartheid from inception, and where fighting for the black vote from 1958 already, your ignoramus. The NP, who conceptualised and implemented Apartheid, where absorbed by the ANC. ***Just shake my head at the ignorance of some of my fellow South Africans***

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-30 06:25

    This most of us know, but many choose to turn a blind eye for what is going on. Those that continue to vote for the anc and those that choose not to use their vote will be responsible for this country going down the drain if the anc continues to stay in power.

  • John Peter Steyn - 2012-09-30 06:31

    Whites VOTED to end Apartheid! The ANC did NOT end Apartheid. They could not. MK "soldiers" were hiding in Zimbabwe or Zambia, scared of the SADF. No one is going to enslave you black people, we gave you the country. Stop believing the ANC's lies!

  • mare.plessis - 2012-09-30 06:36

    Please everyone stop all the racist comments! The DA needs a new face to lead it. Even though Helen Zille has done a good job, black people remain reluctant to vote for the DA for an irrational fear of being oppressed again. We need an intelligent, honest black leader to lead a new DA to save our country from these corrupt, greedy ANC cadres once and for all, otherwise our country and all our futures will be squandered very soon!

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-09-30 11:29

      What? No china your a bit confused, what we need is for all these two faced black racists to take there head out there a*** and smell the coffee, the apartheid era is done and dusted, most of today's people were not even around in that era, most white Indian ad colored guys know this, it seems Blacks on the other hand don't know how to think logical

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-30 06:50

    The hard work of the DA to try and appeal to the masses to vote DA are wasted by the racially charged comments of white people of such platforms!! It says to black people, whites haven't changed a bit, they still look down upon us and still feel they are more superior than black people!! AND we expect black people to vote DA!!!?

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-09-30 11:26

      What? Maybe if your little black brothers and sisters stop saying chase them away, hang them, it's not our country, ect... Maybe then you will see people will get along, you black people are two faced, scream blue murder against white folk and in the same breath say eish you racist! Catch a wake up black bird.....

      aidan.classe - 2012-10-01 14:22

      @Clayton "They started it!", "No, They started it!". Please. Tshepo makes a valid point and of course it swings both ways. Do you really want to validate the "out with the whites" message from radicals? It would seem you do if all you spew is "back to the bush" in response. Grow up.

  • Annelize Grobler - 2012-09-30 07:14

    surely the ANC must be the most unstable political party ever ??? changing presidents whenever a certain Julius shouts (soon to happen again), run by the youth league it seems ??? no wonder the old school people ran off to form a new party !!! also the most cases of high ranked politicians involved in rape, murder, fraud, money laundering... ag well we'll just shower and then we'll feel better, LETS VOTE ANC !!! or NOT ...

  • thulele.leonard - 2012-09-30 08:36

    @aiden the ANC is not loosing support because of the DA competition rather its because of infighting which resulted in a splinter group called COPE

      aidan.classe - 2012-10-01 15:14

      Hi Thulele, I agree with you. My original comment was regarding political criticism (on point with this article being DA) because it works. I think the ANC is losing support for many reasons, COPE of course being a big one in the 2009 elec.

  • majaheni.magagula - 2012-09-30 08:47

    @a18nukem I dont agree that the majority of the country vote for the ANC because they are illiterate and ignorant, that is the attitude of the DA that makes it difficult for them to win black votes, this stand point says most of the blacks are ignorant they don't know what they want in life, they are like lost sheep which need a superior enlightened being to save and guide them (the apartheid attitude). That is the attitude that drives away the majority of the country from the DA. The majority wants their dignity to be upheld, respected and honered. The ANC is excellent at doing that its a basic need of all human species, until the DA realizes that it will always be second to the ANC.

      Simphiwe Mngadi - 2012-09-30 09:17

      No amount of insults will get SA people to vote DA into power. Opposition parties share and fight themselves over the less than 35% votes. Cope's 8% was taken from the 35%, don't assume that those that voted Cope will vote a DA-led party. Zille will never ever ever ever ever be president in this country.

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:30

      Your comment is valid, but I have a question for you. Which is more important: actual dignity, or the Illusion of dignity? It is one thing telling a person something, but it is very different to actually doing it, with actions. The ANC are extremely good at marketing themselves. But their actions are the complete opposite. Some examples: BBBEE is a good idea. Why then do so few benefit from it. All of the major deals have gone to a select few ANC cronies, with the most recent example of the Capitec deal where a handful of cronies will get R950 million for nothing. Hitachi deal: R6 BILLION to a few connected cronies. Arms Deal where just one connected cronie got over R1,5 BILLION. Education: The ANC preach about how good education is, but when a question was asked in parliament about which MP sends their kids to a government school not ONE MP would answer that their kids went to a government school. Grants: The ANC proudly proclaim that over 15 million people (basically 1/3rd of the population) get grants. There is no dignity in this and no success, as it speaks about a MASSIVE failure to create jobs. The ANC loudly proclaim that they have increase access to water, but one tap per 18,000 people is NOT providing access, it is about providing the illusion of access. More importantly, over 90% of open water (dams and rivers) are now contaminated. This WAS clean water used by hundreds of thousands, who are now being slowly poisoned. Point made?

      Heloise Potgieter - 2012-09-30 11:57

      Magagula I am DA voter and they piss me off too with their superior attitude and arrogance sometimes, yes I'm white, and I have to say I agree with you, and applaud your levelheaded comment, not falling into the usual black v. white insult flinging on this site! If more SA's could show your levelheaded view there may actually be hope that we could achieve economic prosperity for the majority of this country's citizens and finally look beyond the colour of my fellow citizens skin!

  • scholesss - 2012-09-30 08:58

    no matter wat DA says they will never rule the country, bcoz many whites still do have a racism against blacks. i see it at work, i work with them. you found out you do the same job but him because his light skinned he got more pay than you whats that.\r\n\r\nANC might have failed at some points, but fixed many too. high damage was done by the apartheid regime which ruled from 1900s to 90s, but did very little, for many..

      jeanot.beetge - 2012-09-30 17:04

      Maybe if you bettered your grammar you would get a raise

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-09-30 09:20

    *yawn* oh look, its the blacks vs the whites again. This is getting boring.

  • Makhavele - 2012-09-30 09:21

    I don't think the DA will take us back to the aprthied regime. If it could I will fight it just like our forefathers did. I thank ANC for letting me know that DA is for the Capitalists. I will personal vote DA so that I can be a Capitalist too. If you think DA is for the Capitalist why don't you vote for it so tha you can be the Capitalist too. Stop critising DA but you know nothing about its mission and vision. I can't eat, wear or improve my life with Democracy I need a better salary.

  • jackie.white.94064 - 2012-09-30 09:26

    @bhekifa.bhekifa - Who effing hell do you think you are telling us to leave OUR country!! We belong here just as much as you do if not more!! Cretin!!

  • Mandlenkosi Manqele - 2012-09-30 09:29

    anc voters are opportunists who lie waiting to board the gravy triain in case it comes their way , what they dont know is that once it gets closer to them they might be killed by their own

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:36

      An associate of mine asked an ANC EC leader why they voted for Malema and not the other candidate when Malema was elected. His answer? They benefitted personally financially by voting Malema. The politics of the back pocket.

      kella.magakwe - 2012-09-30 10:23

      N u nt opportunist

  • Simphiwe Mngadi - 2012-09-30 09:35

    Is DA admitting that ANC brought progress in this country since 1994? If they have been opposing ANC, all along what are they going to better. They shouldn't use Western Cape and all municipality they have power as basis that they will get to power because it's based on their 22% vote and 8% from Cope; WC is not Cape Town.

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:41

      Post 1994 a sloth would have shown progress. Sanctions were dropped, resulting in a massive increase in FDI. Even if we had no government, we would have shown progress. What did they ANC actually do between 1994 and 2000? Got rid of 127,000 trained and competent teachers, closed over 120 training colleges, and instituted the Arms deal for personal enrichment. Wow, impressive.

      kella.magakwe - 2012-09-30 10:20

      Gave us running water and electricity within six years

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 10:27

      Really Kella, so please provide PROOF of that statement

      KReddy - 2012-09-30 10:49

      Uh, you see, when the DA got into power they delivered asap and by transference, the more power they get the more they will deliver if that is the trend in the WC. You can't ask what they did out of their areas of power as they will be shut down by the anc flapmouths who will deliberatley shut down any DA sanctioned suggestions. Case in point if it answers ur question, the DA last year lost the ward where my parents live and they already have piped municipal water...anc was running the show for how long now and never did a thing?

  • Ntambolicous - 2012-09-30 09:36

    The only people who will ensure Helen Zille does not have a chance @union buildings are DA racist supporters, DA supporters are on this site day in and day out cursing at black folks, while DA black leaders have appealing for more black voters their supporters are waisting no time swearing at everyone that they need for the DA to govern. The reason the DA may never rule is simply not because the masses are stuping but rather the insults from DA supporters who just like the ANC fictions are working against their own. Aint that some BS to some of us who would like to see the country move foward. ANC is corrupt to the core while the DA still has hardcore racist in its ranks. I hate corruption but I will be danmed if I vote in favour of the racist supporters be it DA or Afriforum as for the ANC keep killing the education you aint getting fakoll from me, hence I have never voted

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:48

      The DA might have hardcore racist as VOTERS, but as an active member I can assure you I have NEVER, even once met a racist DA MEMBER at any DA congress. The last time I voted with my DA ward committee, we ALL voted for the black candidate as he was the better option. Look through the comments with an unbiased view and you will see there are as many black racists as white racists. But then balance that off with statements coming from actual political parties, and which one is the only one consistently mentioning race, and creating racial discord? ANC. Who said there is an oversupply of coloureds in the WC? Just one of the more disgusting racist comments made by the ANC. The type of comment you would attribute to someone like Hitler. For many racist whites, the DA has become the only via option to VOTE for, but I can guarantee you not one of them would last a month as an active member. Please also remember that the DA fought for the black vote within the first two years of inception. For many years Helen Suzman was the only person in government exposing the NATS (who were absorbed by the ANC) for what they were.

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-09-30 09:58

      @ntambolicious... you say racist DA supporters ??? you say swearing at black folk ??? wtf ??? the ANC has a whole army (ANCYL) who publically hates white folks and spreading the word !!! but I guess it is only racist if its against blck people nowadays... most of the remarks here are posted because of retalliation...

  • jy.wilmos - 2012-09-30 09:38

    The real hero of the struggle to overthrow apartheid was the Congress of the United States of America. The passage of the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Bill in 1986 and the Budget Reconciliation Act in 1987 were by far the two biggest blows struck by any organization against the apartheid government, and forced it to the negotiating table. These laws stopped any new American investment in South Africa and double-taxed existing operations. Ronald Reagan tried to block anti-apartheid legislation, but was over-ruled by Congress.

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 10:00

      Funnily enough that was history repeating itself. Rhodesia fell when the SA government withheld promised funds. Lessons learned? Wars don't bring down governments, crippling economies does. From another article today: ""Things are not rosy" said Mohammed Nalla, an economic analyst at Nedbank Capital in Johannesburg. "(The outlook) is deteriorating, we've got institutional decay and structural decay in the economy that is setting in." http://www.fin24.com/Economy/SA-economy-buckling-under-strain-20120930 It looks like the ANC are about to destroy themselves through their inability to govern.

  • shepardshakes.ndlovu - 2012-09-30 09:38

    So Mr Maimane what are you doing about that.have you created any jobs in area

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 09:54

      The DA run Midvaal has shown the highest growth in jobs and investment of any municipality in the country. During the economic downturn, the WC was the ONLY province to show a growth in jobs. What more do you want? Do you need him to walk on water was well?

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-09-30 10:06

      ummm, you also dont see them setting each other's homes, cars and furniture alight, because of bad service delivery ...

  • Makhavele - 2012-09-30 10:12

    Lol...White people think the war in SA is only about the colour of skin. Let me tell my fellow South Africans its also about the langauege. If you Xhosa among Venda or Pedi nation you will regret your existance in this world.

      peter.huxham.9 - 2012-09-30 13:13

      Makhavele, I think most whites can relate to that, I was a "soutie" or also a "rooinek" in a predominantly afrikaans school we in turn called them "dutchmen", "rock spiders" etc. and many a language related issue was setteled behind the shooting range at break times, and believe me we knew about it on a daily basis, thankfully I think we got through it Ok and today we all seem to get along, more or less.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-30 10:14

    Lol ntambo. Hipocrit. Some of you blacks take offence so quickly when some people say something. So dont paint yourself to be perfect. Lol and yes the masses are actually clever since they dont have to vote for the anc. There isnt a must. U vote for a party where you see growth. Anc has surely showed a huge lack of. Some of us whites want to yield n xpress our anger towards a leaderless and corrupt government.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-30 10:15

    So if you cant accept it. Tough luck.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-09-30 11:44

      @sj.fourie.56:I don't understand what you mean? Are suggesting that we just accept it and get on with our miserable lives. Please enlighten me, a poor soul. Please!

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-09-30 11:59

      @Sipho!!! what he is saying is below, he made another comment... he just said accept it and move on.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-09-30 17:01

      @annelize.grobler:)thank you very much,sisi. I appreciate. Please forgive me for taking too long to respond. I just got too busy after my posting.

  • michael.kleber.376 - 2012-09-30 10:36

    Was just at the shops now and the main headline in the city press is that R203 million being spent on upgrading Zumas homestead and being paid for by the taxpayer this made my blood boil and to top it all some guy comes to buy a newspaper whilst proudly wearing his ANC T shirt , had to bite my tongue . This is why we pay tax ?

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 10:50

      Imagine what would happen to Obama, Cameron, Merckel or Sarkozy if they spent that kind of TAXPAYERS money on their private residence. Yet in SA the majority accept it as normal. Completely mindboggling. Is it perhaps a cultural thing i.e. Zuma as now the king or chief, and therefore everything in SA belongs to him, so he can do with it what he wants? I would be very interested to learn from black commentors why this is acceptable.

      FinalJustice - 2012-09-30 14:37

      Surprised News24 hasn't scooped up this bit of news as well, saw it in Rapport though.

      Bluemoscow - 2012-09-30 15:06

      There world would have been a better place without politicians

      lindokuhle.malindela - 2012-10-01 15:03

      all countries

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-09-30 10:36

    The DA spokesman is wrong. It did not stall, it reversed.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-30 11:33

    The problem is the black population they have been brain washed into believe they will go back to chains if they step outside the ANC. If you want the truth, most of them are still in chains, they are too scared to throw off the chains and venture out into the world and make something of their lives. They have been brainwashed into believing that is they dont vote ANC who keeps reminding them that they liberated them, which is true, that they will go back to apartheid if they are not loyal. The ANC has done its job, they have freed you, now its up to YOU to walk FREE and vote with your head and not with your heart. Look around, read the papers, talk to people do what you believe will be best for you, your children and your country. Free yourselves from the past start living in the future, you dont owe anybody anything. Its time to Tata ma chance or stay as you are. We are all south africans every one of us no matter what your nationality, we dont need to fight each other, we need love and unity, we need to do the best for our future and our children, we owe nobody anything except to vote for a better life and future. Tata ma chance maybe we might win the lotto.

  • gideon.leroux.9 - 2012-09-30 12:28

    I don't like this anymore, who do you vote for? The ANC keeps putting out fires and every other article your read in the news is about the DA blaming the ANC for soe stupid thing they did - "SA's progress has stalled under ANC - DA" You want to win a election? Start telling me what you are doing for me and my country! I used to like the DA but this has got to stop. There is still nothing good to say about the ANC face the facts. The past is the past let it be no one cares. What about the future? All Parties Fail here.

  • Ntambolicous - 2012-09-30 13:41

    The only people who will ensure Helen Zille does not have a chance @union buildings are DA racist supporters, DA supporters are on this site day in and day out cursing at black folks, while DA black leaders have appealing for more black voters their supporters are waisting no time swearing at everyone that they need for the DA to govern. The reason the DA may never rule is simply not because the masses are stuping but rather the insults from DA supporters who just like the ANC fictions are working against their own. Aint that some BS to some of us who would like to see the country move foward. ANC is corrupt to the core while the DA still has hardcore racist in its ranks. I hate corruption but I will be danmed if I vote in favour of the racist supporters be it DA or Afriforum as for the ANC keep killing the education you aint getting fakoll from me, hence I have never voted

      pws69 - 2012-09-30 13:57

      Think about this. If the number of average people (as in not extremists) vote DA increases dramatically, they will drown out, and eventually get rid of those extremists. Just look at schools as an example. the shear number of new black students post 1994 completed changed the culture and outlook of previously white schools. Never underestimate the power of your vote. Many raindrops make an ocean.

  • Bluemoscow - 2012-09-30 14:26

    The DA is right. Apart from the apartheid abuse the apartheid government was doing its job well by providing houses and water and electricity even to the black people and this things of building new roads just to put e-toll on them wasn't present until the Anc was the governing party, since 199\4\ the only thing we gained was freedom thats all and nothing else. Being a fan boy is dangerous so since nelson mandela become president south africa didn't change for the better but for the worse, mandela quit on us and put thabo mbheki and after him the worst president ever jacob zuma all of the ANC Are just out there to become rich and after that just leave the poor people to suffer even more while they are enjoying their millions of pension money of hard working tax payers.

      Paul - 2012-10-01 20:33

      Mxm,one of those ppl who will say everythin to defend apartheid,4 those of us who were directly affected by the previous regime knows better,I'm not sayin I support how thins r goin on now,I'm just sayin stop sayin apartheid was bettr cos u were never affected,nothin can be worse than a goverment system designed to benefit either race-black or white.

  • AW567W - 2012-09-30 15:46

    I think if year government would stop spending R100mill on their personal homes and invest that money into something more constructive, it would make a difference. Unfortunately, with the amount of money needed to repair this nation, R100 mill wouldn't even scratch the surface! But I would respect Zuma a lot more if he at least tried! I am not saying he must go without, I'm saying he needs to show that he actually cares!

  • danyalkolbe - 2012-09-30 16:28

    I apologize for commenting on something that's not discussed here,but since I did not find reference to the astounding 90000 aNc membership increase in Kwa Zulu Natal recently.Apparently January to September 2012.Please tell me that the small piece of news that I caught on Tv was misunderstood by me. It is an astonishing phenomenon to sign up 300 members daily.I must also have misunderstood The Honorable Gwede Mantashe saying that he could not explain this. Shades of Zimbabwe?

  • pmalungana - 2012-09-30 17:36

    The ANC is building an Arc like Noah in Nkandla, we will be sheltered there when the storms come. none members where will you go?hahaha

  • dvd.hamlyn - 2012-09-30 18:44

    Im not pro-DA, but I am anti-ANC. What they have done,this is the dirtiest form of treason this country has seen since the aparteid laws were made

  • iwillemse - 2012-09-30 20:31

    oh yes ,only black progress, but who cares we know how 2 survive, u r still da richest so y bother, shut up.

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-10-01 08:17

    I love Mmusi! Be our president one day Mmusi <3

  • Hemlock - 2012-10-01 12:52

    Stalled? It's come to a grinding halt!!!!!

  • ptmakgato - 2012-10-01 17:26

    I just wish I could trust u Zille but sorry u don't have my vote...u are still white and human so I aint going to take a chance, sorry!