Safeguard yourselves, farmers told

2011-06-19 23:21

Cape Town - Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder on Sunday called on farmers to "safeguard" themselves, following ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's vow earlier in the day to "take the land without payment".

In a statement, he warned that Malema's comments on land ownership were "taking us back to the period before 1994, when violence and even the possibility of a civil war was part of the South African debate".

Mulder - who also serves in President Jacob Zuma's Cabinet as deputy agriculture minister - said there was no difference between Malema's viewpoint on land and land policy, and that of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe, who had destroyed his country's economy.

Earlier on Sunday, speaking at the closing ceremony of the youth league's elective conference in Midrand, Malema said there was no way to be diplomatic about land ownership.

"There is no way you can be diplomatic about the issue of land. We will never be diplomatic about willing buyer, willing seller. It has failed," he told delegates.

The leadership of the ANC had to implement the resolution taken at the party's national conference in Polokwane in 2007.

"Polokwane said willing buyer, willing seller has failed, and we must find an alternative. You have failed to find an alternative. We must take the land without payment."

Malema has in recent months become increasingly strident in his call for expropriation of land without compensation, and its speedy redistribution to the masses.

Not government policy

Mulder said the FF Plus and the majority of farmers would not accept such a solution.

"At present, these proposals are not government policy. While the debate about it continues within the ANC, it is merely being responsible if the FF Plus gives attention to contingency plans such as those which had been in place prior to 1994.

"The climate which is created by this type of comment can only lead to more farm murders and unnecessary violence. That is why the FF Plus is calling on farmers to, in their own interests, organise themselves in the interim into rural safety structures," he said.

Contacted for further comment, Mulder told Sapa he hoped the continuing debate within the ANC on the land issue would be a "logical" one.

He said farmers had been co-operating with government since 1994 on the land issue, and there remained a lot of goodwill among them towards this issue.

On Malema's comments, Mulder said: "I think it's youth speaking, but it's been so powerful I had to react."

He said the youth league president's call on land appropriation was not acceptable.

"They talk about land grab - we surely will not accept it," Mulder said.

  • The Real Witch - 2011-06-19 23:41

    Want to take action? Not an extremist, on either side? Then sign this, and lets get the UN involved!

      The Real Witch - 2011-06-20 00:20

      Why don't you read the Genocide Convention, and the Rome Statute, and see what international law actually SAYS, before you make yourself look like an ignorant fool.

      Xavier - 2011-06-20 00:33

      @datdonkeyfromthestates realy and the blacks stole the land from the Khoisan people... do you know that history?

      Jack Andrews - 2011-06-20 00:42


      Tjaart - 2011-06-20 01:03

      Datbrother: what is "you people" ? You are a sick racist and a hypocrite for calling others bigots, because you are one. Why don't you search the web for some photos of farm murders and see what it is that you are condoning? Why don't you read the stories of how farmers suffered in zim? What do you propose should farmers do when everything they own has been taken from them? Did it ever occur to you that they may have bought the land? Do you realize that if land grabs happen we will face sanctions and people will suffer, just as they suffer in zim?

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-06-20 01:15

      Malema would be a disaster for the country. He is an embarrassment to the human race and he hates Mandela clearly as he wants to undermine Mandela's constitution.

      Uncle BOB - 2011-06-20 05:34


      Babba x - 2011-06-20 06:14

      @ dath... Be careful of da white braddar. History has a tendency to repeat itself. You might just get what you are asking for

      william.botha - 2011-06-20 10:20

      Yes, lets follow protocol. Lets unite against terrorism and tyrants. Down with Malema and his murdering tendencies. VIVA the new freedom from mongers of crime against humanity. Let international law deal with these criminals.

      Krush - 2011-06-20 10:27

      @Datbrotherfromthestates - Considering that the whites have been run out of Zimbabwe and South Africa is still economically etc owned by the "white minorities" - why is it that all the black zimbabweans are running to South Africa? The land is theirs now...why are they returning to "white domination?" Shouldn't the black south african's rather be flocking to zimbabwe where the land now belongs to the BLACK MAN? I'm confused. Please enlighten me.

      16-12-1838 - 2011-06-20 10:34

      You are so right oppressed, we know we cant rely on the UN. They have no backbone anyway and it has been proven time and again, that is what we are relying on when the useless, lazy, uneducated and disease filled masses come try take away our farms and businesses. We and there are many others who will gladly die defending what is ours, we have as much right to claim this land as you swartes. The Afrikaaner may appear disjointed at certain times in history but when it has really mattered we have always stuck together, just ask the english (who even murdered 30 000 of our women and many of you were killed in all the years of Apartheid huh?). So ja, we are not going anywhere, be prepared for a long fight comrade, much blood will be spilt. Don't ever underestimate the Boer, remember we perfected (if not invented) guerilla warfare. Most of us have had a good military training with combat experience and can look after ourselves. What have you and the unemployed malema dogs got??? Thought so, vokol! You are also highly concentrated in townships and informal settlements, while we still have the run of the land - Viva Kommando Viva!!!! Ja grootbek, you are a clever one hey - we will see who will be laughing when that time comes. Then where you gonna run to?? Your Xenophobic attacks on other Africans have not gone on unnoticed. You are the feral dogs of Africa and no-one will want you...dis die waarheid

      16-12-1838 - 2011-06-20 11:08

      so oppressed what gives you the right to claim this land? You are from central Africa anyway and also settlers or is it because you are black...racist!

      16-12-1838 - 2011-06-20 11:09

      The truth is the truth is the truth - no matter how much you try deny it!

      16-12-1838 - 2011-06-20 11:12

      As always your arguments have no substance

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-20 11:19 In the framework of: explain to why you're afraid of genocide. What you say on this forum doesn't matter, but you can make a difference if you express your fears to an international authority.

      schmerz - 2011-06-20 11:44

      @Datbrotherfromthestates, wearing your yellow slippers? Get your head out of your ass.

      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 12:13

      @Datbrotherfromthestates and @Oppressed - Do you even realise that you are pushing this country to war? Do you realise that we are not going anywhere, no matter how much racist radicals like you throw at us? Don't you realise that your provoking and warmongering are only going to hurt this country, including you and your families? Don't you realise that, there will be plenty of violence and bloodshed as people are not going to allow a mob to threaten their family and property? You are treading on very shaky ground. The farmers and other land owners are not going to meekly surrender their land to opportunistic land thieves, you had better bring an army because a couple of 'youths' are just going to get themselves shot. You are a very sad racist bigot.

      York Hunt - 2011-06-20 12:26

      Q. What's the difference between Julius Malema and Josef Stalin? Dunno? A. Josef Stalin was Russian.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-20 12:42

      Zim redistributed the wealth and today 5 million Zimbabweans choose to live in South Africa where wealth is supposedly not distributed. Go figure.

      York Hunt - 2011-06-20 12:50

      Read this story!

      USSA - 2011-06-20 14:17


      realist03 - 2011-06-20 14:32

      Fact,,,malema will take over,its inevitable,,the cp and other factions will revolt against malema,he will crush them and beat them into submission,,in the mean time malemas henchman will be evicting all whites from farms,,this is when all whites and any race,who want true democracy and freedom will have to move to the western cape,as they want to drive us to the sea where we came from,its been their policy since the 70s,,except thats where we will take our final stand and make the cape independent,,the international community will make sure this happens to avoid mass refugees flooding to holland and the UK,so what can i say ,arm yourselves and start moving south people,,the clock is ticking faster than imagined.good luck and be safe

      makip - 2011-06-20 17:29

      khoisan are i look black to you.Brown ,san, or yellow(bathwa tribe],blacks are alll the true origins of this continent.

      tokoloshe - 2011-06-20 18:07

      In 1994 the Whites made a deal with the Blacks to have peace in SA. Superficially, the deal was we would get rid of all discriminatory laws & everyone would be equal in front of the law. The Whites held to this deal & willingly dismantled all their weapons, but the ANC did not. They never stopped their National Democratic Revolution. They are still waging war on White South Africans. In 1960 Nelson Mandela declared a war on SA because of mainly two Apartheid laws that he saw as the cornerstones of Apartheid, The Population registration Act & the Group Areas Act.(Long walk to freedom page 140). He and MK decided to break the law. To sabotage, guerilla warfare and terrorism. Mandela had a problem with the Population Registration Act, that classified South Africans in different races of Whites, Coloureds, Asians, Blacks. Yet today the ANC is practicing the same racial classification & are openly practicing Hate Speech against White SAns. What would happen if White South Africans being racially discriminated against decide to follow Mandela’s example and decide to adopt these violent means of defiance against a racially oppressive government, namely the ANC? If the ANC wants to go back to 1994 and undo the deal we had, then they must say so and we can again come together and assemble those weapons that we so willingly dismantled. Frankly, I have had it with their threats. I cannot see this unbearable situation in South Africa lasting much longer. It is simply unnatural.

      Datbrotherfromthestates - 2011-06-20 19:27

      Krush... former ambassador YOUNG can tell you better than I can. you bigots will try to discredit him and he was AT the lancaster house accord!

      Sheda Hab - 2011-06-20 20:00

      My suggestion is give ALL the farms to JUJU's supporters. When they are well and truly settled in then the farmers go and fetch them back with force. Let them see what is like to be murdered, threatened, treated like sh&t everyday. And for those of you who are concerned or worried about JuJu and his supporters leave SA now and let the real men stay behind to fight.

  • Christo - 2011-06-19 23:54

    Some of us saw this coming and we are so ready, so Please gardenboy Malema come to our farms first, we will not back down, we will just reload!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Xavier - 2011-06-20 00:35

      @datdonkeyfromthestates go and read your history, you blacks never own land in SA you stole it from the Khoisan...

      Jack Andrews - 2011-06-20 00:44

      aaah... lemme say it again little daty... schooled!

      Enough! - 2011-06-20 00:53

      datbrotherfromthestates you clearly not very informed. and if land are taken then south africa will go but the same way as all the other african countries where poverty and starvation is norm. Zim just asked South Africa for another loan... go figure. B.t.w a lot of the land in white hands was traded by the settlers from the tribe leaders long before apartheid, why do you think Piet Retief went to see Dingaan just before Bloodriver? and also much land was already returned to black hands even under apartheid to create the homelands. so who will be stealing from who? arrogance comes before a fall and that is exactly what will happen AGAIN if there will be an attack on white farmers and Germany has also already made it clear they will also defend their investment interests in South Africa. much more happening here than you know but you so full of your hatred you can't see straight? B.t.w why you siting in the states enjoying the the first world and not here or any where else in africa if you hate whites so much? your hatred will only make your life a misery anyway while truth sets us free! make no mistake i'm not against redress and reconciliation but hatred is another thing all together!

      Enough! - 2011-06-20 01:21

      no not really because well over 3 million Zimbabweans already living in south africa will tell you exactly what happening there! so i have a pretty good idea whats happening there> but we talking about south africa now not zim> our history is very different than theirs but our future will be the same if farms are taken and not proper measures are followed so what is your point. it is also true to say not all balck south african youth support malema and is more educated on our history than him.

      The Ted Vos - 2011-06-20 02:53

      Xavier, I'm afraid you're wasting your time. That little bit of history is one those inconvenient truths that knuckle draggers like DatDoos don't want to hear, so they'll simply ignore it and refuse to acknowledge it. DatDoos, go try your "gibs me dat" back home. We're not really interested in your eeking and ooking and we've already got more "muh dikkin of dah white wimminz" than we can cope with. Self entitled bloody idiot.

      Uncle BOB - 2011-06-20 05:44

      @datbrother you seem like an incredibly bitter man. What did the ku kluts klan do something to you? If you are so bitter about not having land why don't you sort it out with your US government? Just stop your racist crap here on a SA forum we don't need you hear? It is enough that we locals seeking to divide this country, we don't need foreigners to do that as well. Unless you can say something constructive, stay off this site!!!

      horsehair - 2011-06-20 06:52

      @Dat, yes we gave you the weapons you would still have sharp sticks. enjoy all your your western things like this internet that you're using while chanting black power. Try using something made by an African to take a stance, it would be much more meaningful

      daaivark - 2011-06-20 07:28

      Datbro.... if indeed you are "from the states"... then kindly talk about things of which you have some experience and perhaps even a little historical background. At the moment it seems as though you have as much grasp of our realities as your sicko Mrs Palin has.

      Mr D - 2011-06-20 08:11

      Christo, Soos julle, julle verdedig op die plase so moet ons witmens ons verdedig in die stede. Se jou my maat dis n' slagting en my hart gaan uit na julle so alleen op die plase. Ek voel ons sal op die ou end moet seksies optrek en uigaan om die plase te beskerm. Ek weet net nie hoe ons dit gaan regkry nie maar dis al wat gaan werk op die ou end. Ek glo nie die weermag sal kan help nie nog minder die poliesie alhoewel sommige van hulle hul beste lewer is daar n' groot tekort. Plaas beveiliging sal maar jou eie verdediging wees want jy kan nie staatmaak op die regering nie. Haatspraak kom van die ANCJL en die gespuis volg hom. Miskien moet hy uitgevat word soos, van ouds.

      Nontando58 - 2011-06-20 10:47

      Hi Christo, I am a journalist, writing a story about what farmers thing of what Malema said. would you be able to talk to me and share you opinion? plz contact me on

      York Hunt - 2011-06-20 12:51

      Read this story!

      USSA - 2011-06-20 14:17


      cuz - 2011-06-20 19:42

      By 2001, 56% of all the total land-surface in SA already belonged to the State. The SA government has already ‘absorbed’ close to 65,000 of the 85,000 farms – and 90% of these state-farms are producing no food whatsoever. And the ANC-regime isn’t even hanging its head in shame when it admitted that a full 90% of all this state-owned land, their so-called ‘redistributed farms’, produce no excess food whatsoever. Despite the fact that 90% of the 5,9-million hectares of ‘redistributed farms’ now lay totally idle and produce no food whatsoever the SA government is still going full-steam ahead with its land-nationalisation programme. And this is done despite the fact that the government does not even know the exact extent of state-owned land-sites because of its faulty record-keeping at the SA Deeds Registration Office. However what the disreputable records in the SA Deeds Registration Office did reveal, was that there’s considerably more land owned by the State than they want to admit to: from the original 85,000 privately-owned food-producing farms, no more than 14,000 farms and smallholdings now are registered as being ‘white-owned commercial agricultural sites’- all the other farms are in the hands of the State already.

      cuz - 2011-06-20 19:58

      Many black people DO NOT WANT TO FARM. They are homeless, not landless. They want homes near the cities. The SA government is clearly confused about the needs of its people, they want housing not farms!

      cuz - 2011-06-20 20:01

      READ THIS AND WEEP - THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG... •Twenty top crop and dairy farms in the Eastern Cape, bought for R11.6-million and returned to a Kokstad community, are now informal settlements; •A once-thriving potato farm in the KwaZulu-Natal Midlands is now a makeshift soccer field; •Ten thousand people given back 8000ha of prime fruit and macadamia farms in Limpopo are crippled by R5-million debt; •A former multimillion-rand tea estate in Magoebaskloof in Limpopo has become an overgrown forest; •More than five tons of a macadamia nut crop on a reclaimed Limpopo farm was so poor that it was dumped into the Levubu river; and •A R22-million irrigation system built by the government to supply water to new farmers in KwaZulu-Natal lies unused.

      senkgisha - 2011-06-20 20:04

      and ten inless than 5 minutes it would be over and you as the dead loser...don't apply for s####t you can't handle.

      hugsxhisses - 2011-06-20 20:24

      90% of all one time white owned farms redistributed to South Africa's black population have ceased to be productive... What on earth one wonders can the remaining 10% be producing, Marijuana perhaps?

  • Diamond Dog - 2011-06-19 23:59

    Conveniently this mongrel have stated previously we will not nationalise private property. So farms do not constitute private property. Only susburbian homes? Thus his two mansions will not not be lost in this issue. How hypocratically convenient. Put your stinking feet on my farm and I will run a double tap through your head. Thereafter I have 2000 little friends to riddle the rest.

      KanaMay - 2011-06-20 00:22

      No need to resort to criminal means. Farm land without the crops (or fertilizers to put in) is like an empty silver plate at a feast. I doubt Malema or any of his friends can do anything more than build a messy community on the land. Nearly 90 % of the farms re-settled by the natives have succeeded to produce enough to make a profit. I doubt the situation would improve, especially if you overdose your farmland with something that the idiots cannot undo unless they hire the former occupants as expensive experts to solve / improve the situation !!

      Diamond Dog - 2011-06-20 01:10

      KanaMay It is just a plate. And yes, without the means it remains just that. Currently the new Green Paper on land ownership for workers on farms actually suggest 10% ownership of a farmers property by each individual worker who have worked for that farm for 10 years (what utter BS). 95% of expropriated farms have showed NO commercail viability. Meaning, they have done FOKKOL with the land. You don't have to overdose the land with nothing. It takes but one rain season for the land to be taken over with invader plants for you to take out hundreds of thousands of rands to clear before you can even think of doing anything else. Then you need the implements to do so and the other jobs after that ugly little fact. They cannot and will not farm. They just wnat bling and do not consider the risk and the sweat that goes into farming. It remains a power issue. I want it all at whatever cost. Thereafter I can stick my paw out and "demand" restitution from another white man across the ocean. Pathetic.

      Enough! - 2011-06-20 01:41

      dabrother! america is history. Germany lowly already holds more power and soon and very soon you will suffer like no other because what you sow you will reap! hate will only reap hate and that is your future! GERMANY HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY TREATS TO THEIR VAST INVESTMENTS HERE. So who cares about the states seeing you are trying to make such a strong point? but the white south afrircans will defend themselves if need be without any help from nobody if they have to. AND again not all black youth support malema and stands behind Mandela for a united democratic South africa where neither white or black oppress the other. the ancs member ship has dropped bacuase of malema and will drop even more by the time we go to the polls in 2014.

      Diamond Dog - 2011-06-20 02:06

      Darkbrother Who cares what you "sanction". You do not live here. Currently you are just another chewtoy for us to play with. Learn our language. Voetsek jakkals.

      ZipZap - 2011-06-20 07:51

      agreed, kill them and feed them to the pigs.

      York Hunt - 2011-06-20 12:27

      Q. What's the difference between Julius Malema and Josef Stalin? Dunno? A. Josef Stalin was Russian.

      mursebul - 2011-06-20 14:21

      Kanamay, you are right, unfortunately I see those govt given farms and how the most prestigous farms are in ruin, this idiot has no working brain inside that hull skull of his

  • k1dbl4ck - 2011-06-20 00:14

    oh boy here we go.

      Diamond Dog - 2011-06-20 02:17

      Darkbrother I read somewhere that 1 third of the American population is obese and another third is gay. This whilst more than half the population of America is one paycheque away from the breadline.A large porportion of your kids would rather sit on the couch playing games and stuff their faces with soft drinks and fastfoods. At the same time crime is so high that your government has opted to send these first ofenders to the frontline in stead of stuffing them into your overcrowded jails. Doesn't sound healthy dude. Not healthy at all. See. You wish to poke your nose in our business have actually just exposed your rotten can of worms out there.

      Tracer - 2011-06-20 08:44

      @Datbrotherfromthestates, doesn't matter where you are from, you kind still have a lower IQ than ours.....and it shows...what is the most poverty stricken race of people on the planet, regardless of the country they reside in??? You guessed it, I wonder why???? Now go back to dealing crack and killing rival gang bangers.....

      Datbrotherfromthestates - 2011-06-20 19:32

      tracer... you had a high I.Q. DURING apartheid, now you are just a beneficiary of apartheid! if your I.Q. is so high why are you not smart enough to see that you are not wanted there?

      zena - 2011-06-21 08:52

      @darkbrotherfromthestates...we are not beneficiaries from apartheid, we worked for everything we have, and because of that America made sure to mess this country up because we were becoming a threat to them way back in the 70's we were thriving and our money was more than the pound, another thing is why don't you go back to your homelands and see if you will be living the life you have in America now and then you can start making comments here!!!!!!

      zena - 2011-06-21 08:57

      @darkbrother....forgot to add it was not because they cared about the people here under apartheid because your apartheid was even worse than ours and your darkbrothers suffered way more, it was because they wanted the riches in this country, nothing else....

  • Jan van der Westhuizen - 2011-06-20 01:04

    Malema is a spoilt brat and spews bile. Is this honestly the best specimen the ANC(with 65% vote) could come up with? The guy is a savage with a large sparkly diamond crusted watch. It is really easy to rally up the poor majority to take from the rich minority (and in the process enrich yourself). It is much harder to create jobs and in the process peace and prosperity for everybody. He seems to think he is invincible and can get away with anything. All he really needs to do is keep going and international sentiment will turn against him. The glory days from Nelson Mandela are over and things are starting to look pretty grim.

      ZipZap - 2011-06-20 07:52

      yes, he is saying what every african has been thinking. god help SA.

      Kgomotso - 2011-06-20 08:30

      if Mandela was White man s darling why was he arrested. The only thing Mandela did was after 1994 we should not fight each other but reconcile but unfortunately reconciliation is a two way street. The White man version of reconciliation is Black people should pretend Apartheid never happned, the imbalances engineered by it never be mentioned addressed nor corrected. If Blacks, Indian colours are given opportunities to get tenders occupy management position land issue by resolved that take us backwards. I do not know the idea a White man had about democracy by what I know is true democracy is freedom in all aspects of life including economic power. If you White people thought Blacks Indians Coloured fought to apartheid to contue watching a White man dominate high and strategic position in work place by over paid when he hardly has grade8, own 90% of Mzansi land with contenment than you are in for a big shock of your life those who left are better off. What you needed just after 94 was conselling to bring reality in you. No man in his right mind can accept that

      Point Blank - 2011-06-20 08:44

      @Kgomotso, the funny thing about you is you just refuse to see the racism that spews from Malema and the ANC.. You the type of person who will see a white guy in a merc at the robots, and a whiter guy in an Uno will pull up next to him, but you will refuse to see the guy in the UNO and tell everyone "Look how rich white people are..." because all you see is the white guy in the merc, YOU assume that reverse racism is justified??? Dude if you support reverse racism, then I no longer support a black man in this country.... finish and klaar.

      Dominic - 2011-06-20 10:29

      @Kgomotso - I am in favour of full compensation to those (or their direct descendants) where evidence proves their property was stolen (i.e. not sold). To take someone's property without paying for it is theft. That it may have taken place at a previous point in history is not a justification for a future crime. Malema is calling for people to commit a crime. He's a leading member of the governing party whose primary responsibility is to prevent crime. If he is not severely restricted very soon then what we have is not a government. If we don't have a government then we are a failed state - similar to Somalia. In that case we are very close to chaos and civil war.

      Kgomotso - 2011-06-20 10:33

      I have no prblem with Whites being rich I have a problem with policies that White Apartheid implemented to make White rich and alienated everyone to partake in it. Whites never considered, made room nor so anyone fit to have the best worst they did not even compete with anyone for the economic wealth. Today Three groups are mentioned Whites crying tears when they only thought of themselves and themselves alone. To correct the imbalance Indians, Coloureds and Blacks need to be given preference and when ground are equal then White can be considered if that is too difficult for you to understand then you have a problem.

      sardonicus - 2011-06-20 10:48

      Sorry Kgomotso, I don't agree with what you say. So many years down the line and this matter of land redistribution is still an issue. Why has the government not stepped up on dealing with it. Why does it have to fester for so long, thus invoking the anger of those people who have been displaced. This whole thing is heading Zimbabwe's way if government does not say something, ANYTHING! against what Malema is preaching!

      LD - 2011-06-20 11:20

      What did you expect Jan when black people's lives have not changed since the dawn of democracy. Ills of the past have to be addressed by all means. If it eventually means reclaiming the land for the benefit of the masses let it be so. Nelson Mandela is quite aware that the right to vote is not the only pillar of democracy. That must translate to sharing of the resources starting with the land. Willing buyer willing seller is not working due to selfishness of the current landowners. The land must and will be returned to the black people, whether you like it or not. WATCH THIS SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For once Julius Malema is right.

      scotman - 2011-06-20 11:22

      The Xhosa : Arrogant, pathetic work ethics, violent and live in trash dumps. But hey, lucky there's a thing like apartheid to blame

      K_za - 2011-06-20 11:41

      @Kgomotso: the ground will never be equal at the rate black people breed. You might breed the whites out but you have brought on poverty yourselves. Does anyone have any stats on how rich black people in South Africa would be if their population was the same as whites? It's not rocket science but then the average IQ South African is only 72. That falls in the below average group.

      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 12:44

      @Kgomotso- - I hear what you are saying, I am afraid though that you have a typically ANC fueled misconception of what most white people want. Here it is for you. I am all for redress of previous injustices. I believe that decent housing, jobs, services, education and land should be available for those previously denied these basics in life. I believe that all land that was STOLEN should be returned IMMEDIATELY to their former owners. This does not include land that was purchased with the deed to the land on file at the deeds office. If this land was unjustly taken from it's previous owners, the farmer that has purchased the land should be compensated for land itself and the amount of work put into the land. Non racist policies need to be put in place to economically emancipate the previously disadvantaged bringing them into the mainstream economy. This is, as far as I am aware, from my point of view, my peers, my friends, my acquaintances and my general perception what the majority of white people want. Do not believe what the cANCer tells you about what we want, just ask rather..........To be continued.

      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 12:55

      ......The problem with all that we want, is that the cANCer are incapable of managing any of the policies, be it land reform, economic reform or any other policy effectively. This makes it look like the policies are failing when in fact they are just badly managed and implemented. We need to stop blaming the white man for all of the ills in this country and start taking our 'leaders' to task about the management and implementation of these important policies, where they correctly managed, there would not be half the frustration being felt by many. Also remember that if Peter has has an apple tree and he has picked his last 5 apples and is then forced to give Sipho 3 apples, leaving Peter with 2, that when Sipho's 3 apples are finished, he is going to get upset again next season when Peter has apples again and he has none. Why not just help Sipho plant his own apple tree and teach him how to nurture it, then Sipho will always has apples if he looks after his tree and there are more trees with more apples, instead of fighting over the apples produced by one tree. This is the what the cANCer doing, they are fighting over the apples produced by Peter instead of helping Sipho to produce his own apples, doubling the wealth.

      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 13:02

      @Kgomotso, PS. There where many, many white people who fought apartheid as well. Don't believe me, look it up. Also, it was the very same white people you dislike so much that voted in an overwhelming majority to end Apartheid via referendum, so remember, we are also partly responsible for your freedom............We generally respect and like old Madiba, because he was a nation builder, he gave us a dream to work towards and a passion to make this country great based on non-racism. Kgomotso, I don't think you really realise how much we, the white people of this country have sacrificed for this new South Africa, how much on a daily basis we sacrifice and how hard we work toward making this country great. It is a sad misconception that we yearn for the 'good old days' of apartheid, you cannot believe how completely off target that is.

      Richie - 2011-06-20 14:39

      @ Kgomotso - Malema has absolutely no comprehension of economics! He has not suggested once how all his utterances will work? Anybody, that has half a brain can understand that wealth is not a fixed thing that can be split ... without incentive wealth will dissipate, land is paid for by profit of running efficient business, when land is "taken", the banks still need their money, if they don’t get it... they FAIL, ask Zimbabwe. We don’t give away our minerals the mines pay us for it, they just make a profit for running efficient businesses.... just look to Aurora to see how that will end. Any idiot can see what he suggests is totally impossible, impractical and would lead to a definite demise of this country in no-time. YET, everybody just reports, talks on what he says without hi-lighting the FACT that what he says is; all of the above i.e. ridiculous without no base in reality.

  • Lewsi - 2011-06-20 04:17

    To all our farmers out there: if they're going to take your land by force, burn everything to the ground first and THEN give them the land and say "here, now you build everything from scratch just like we did".

      ZipZap - 2011-06-20 07:52

      pour Diesel on EVERYTHING!

      onetickie - 2011-06-20 09:12

      Frankly I would support a scorched earth attitude by owners/stakeholders in any aspect where land, property or viable established businesses are being threatened. If they want it, it give it back BUT FROM GRASS ROOTS. I say poison the land they try to take, use industrial espionage to ensure they have/gain nothing from the mines, same with anything they want to get their hands on. I'd rather see it ALL destroyed than in the hands of thugs like mugabe, amin, kaunda, bin laden types.

      sardonicus - 2011-06-20 09:46

      They'll be coming round the mountain when they come...

      Santapola - 2011-06-20 10:48

      you seriously think like somebody who lost his mind some time ago..when u burn u will die of hunger my friend...

      York Hunt - 2011-06-20 12:51

      Read this story!

      Dirk - 2011-06-20 14:13

      Burn to the ground and then go after JUJU .... That is the plan ....

      Kevin - 2011-06-20 15:27

      We will put mercury in the ground and white ants in the buildings. Even better , burn the buildings.

  • - 2011-06-20 05:20

    Why do the farmers not stand together. They have been divided since the Great Trek. If all the farmers went on strike, within a few weeks the stills will have to go to Zimbabwe(the bastion of African aricultural productivity) to look for bread and a chicken.

      Hope123 - 2011-06-20 21:26

      Love of money will make them cling onto it till it goes up in smoke. Hope makes them believe that all is not lost. I had a farm in Zim. We hoped until the end.....

  • Cronje - 2011-06-20 05:42

    @Enough. at the rate things are going now, there may not be another (democratic) election in 2014;Malema will and cant be stopped. Things are way beyond the point of no return. It is only the Johnny Walker Blue Label drinkers who will prosper. Democracy is dead.

  • Babba x - 2011-06-20 06:12

    The minority will stand together and rise up against this illiterate majority. We will unite and we will concur. It appears that Malemakie is instigating a cicil war. This together with his singing of "kill the boer" sends a clear message. The time has come for all whites to stand together against the ANC parasite

      jetman - 2011-06-20 06:27

      Hear Hear!

      HistoryBuff - 2011-06-20 10:21

      @sardonicus: As someone brought up in a white liberal background (my father was the NP chief in town, part of the broederbond and all that, but he and my mother came to realise it was wrong and brought us up not to be racist), I know that there are many racist white people in this country, but today I feel these old feelings brew in myself each time I watch the news, and I even see it in my parents and their attitutes. We all so wanted this country to work, but it isn't working, I still try to treat every person with respect, but it just doesn't help if the majority is uneducated and doesn't give a damn for you, much less respect you. This has made me realise the main thing is cultural differences, not skin colour. I have black colleagues who are not like Malema and those ignorant fools, and no they are also not coconuts (sorry for the word). Seeing that it comes down to cultural differences, I will embrace every coloured person, indian etc, who wants to see a country free from corruption and hate where everybody gets what he works for (and not just what his "rights" say). If you believe this you are my brother. If you demand new schools and then burn down the old one when it takes too long, and then blame the government for your matric results you can go rot in hell. I am sick and tired of being ruled by mediocrity. I will give up my vote for a system where justice and reason prevail. To me, democracy sucks.

      sardonicus - 2011-06-20 10:32

      Indeed, we want the same things, those of us who are wise enough.

      william.botha - 2011-06-20 10:49

      Go sign the petition. Check details on the first comment.

      Hannes - 2011-06-20 12:46

      Stem 100% saam!

      senkgisha - 2011-06-20 20:17

      take that chance and you will witness again wat had once happened in the former Boputhatswana...forget so easy hey?Moron!!!

  • Zama.mncwabe - 2011-06-20 06:26

    Its a War...mmmmhhh poor SA.

  • horsehair - 2011-06-20 06:40

    Maybe we should ask Michelle Obama today if she thinks it's a good idea to give their native tribes their land back, and oh yes the Nukes and so forth...

  • Pickle - 2011-06-20 07:01

    The Sh!t is getting dangerously close to hitting the fan...

  • WaggaMamma - 2011-06-20 07:12

    Have you noticed that over the last 5 years or so there is more hate and racism in SA than ever before. And the flames of hatred are being fanned by the likes of this idiot Malema, while our lame duck president looks on. I really believe that SA is presently probably the most racist country in the world. Something else to be proud of!

  • Jakobus - 2011-06-20 07:14

    Listen Folks,the land issue must be resolved amicably,if we want a peaceful stay in this land,the land must be distributed once and for all.Being emotional and threaten war is foolish,SADF is in the hands of a black goverment.If we decide to kill any black person ,our stay will be doomed here in Africa for good,firstly SADAC and the African union won't recognize us as legitimate Afrikaners and generations of white Afrikaners will be doomed.

      The Real Witch - 2011-06-20 07:30

      Jakobus, you seem to forget that Afrikaners are not the only white people in SA.

      ZipZap - 2011-06-20 07:54

      its already doomed idiot. We have no place here.

      Point Blank - 2011-06-20 08:46

      It's not their frigging land!!

      umlaut - 2011-06-20 09:32

      Why is the system of paying for farms failing--because the anc dept. handling it is not doing their work properly-(on purpose!)-maybe a bit of corruption thrown in. Corruption will spell the end of democracy here. If this baby brain is to overthrow the laws of this country and defying the current government we call it an attempt to overthrow the govt. So why did they arrest the afrikanerbond members for doing that but not malema and his gang.? The anc is discriminating against a minority group of a different race.

      HistoryBuff - 2011-06-20 09:45

      Mooi so Jakobus, mens moenie meugesleur raak en dinge doen waaroor mens later spyt is nie.

      Hannes - 2011-06-20 12:49


      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 13:15

      ....our stay here in Africa? you make me sound like a tourist. This is my country Jakobus, MINE!

      onetickie - 2011-06-20 15:01

      @Jakobus: Listen Jakobus, you have obviously not been listening to that useless parasite jARSE. He is out there ranting because firstly his arrogance has no bounds - he likes attention. 2ndly he loves trouble. 3rd he believes he will be able to wear gold/diamond watches on both arms & his ankles. He is thick as 2 planks thats why he calls for mines to be nationalized and farms to be taken. He does not have the brains to understand the consequences. All this parasite sees is himself as president of SA. He's not been able to see further and understand that being president of NOTHING would be a meaningless title. As I've said before,he's just another mugabe, idi amin, kaunda, hitler & bin laden.

      Kevin - 2011-06-20 15:12

      It is our land as much as anybodies. If they want land there are many good farms for sale. They can buy them . NOT WITH TAX PAYERS MONEY.No where in the world can you take land as you wish. Oh sorry I forgot about Zim and look at how rich they all are . They have gone backwards a 100 years and will take 200 to catch up. Will someone with half a brain explain this to ar#ehole Fat boy.

  • umlaut - 2011-06-20 07:14

    Maybe the homeless whites must be allowed to squat on white farms near gates as to "regulate the traffic"?

      senkgisha - 2011-06-20 20:23

      you got the point,tis ppl are useless and careless,i mean in just 17 years and then huh...omeless and the worse part when most trollers see them they get crossed and ignore them!!! What a waisted nation!!!

  • biskit - 2011-06-20 07:15

    Its a sad state of affairs on both sides of the fence...dividing a nation makes it weak and soon farms will be "Grabbed" sorry folks!!

      Kevin - 2011-06-20 15:25

      We are ready

  • Greenrain - 2011-06-20 07:21

    I wonder when the civil war is going to start...

      Andrew van Dijk - 2011-06-20 07:30

      I really hope soon. They may have guns now, but we still have one weapon they dont.

      Greenrain - 2011-06-20 07:47


      ZipZap - 2011-06-20 07:55

      hopefully sooner than later... my guns loaded and waiting. If i go down, i WILL take a good couple with me.

      Dominic - 2011-06-20 08:19

      I have never been racist (not intellectually anyway). I still don't think I'm racist but I am now confused by my response to what is effectively a declaration of war by Malema on the grounds of race. What I do know is that I'm becoming very angry. ANCYL had better understand that blowing up a post office in Pretoria and a bar in Durban is not a war. The boy had better back off.

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 09:09

      I have no doubt that a war will come though it will not be as clear-cut as some suggest. A war is inevitable but I don’t think it will come now. For now I will enjoy my hot water but when the shackles of morality are removed a few I know off will do what needs to be done. I have a few ideas and to be honest they scare the crap out of me. It’s not a question of what we will do, it’s a question of how far will we be willing to go. Ask yourself, how much of an animal even a monster, an abomination are you willing to become?

      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 13:18

      @Smaal, I truly pray that it never gets there, but ya, good comment, too true.

      allie - 2011-06-20 14:31

      The malemas should not underestimate us.We have sofisticated manufacturing equipment and engineers and the knowhow to manufacture the most awfull weapons,like we did before faster than it can be stolen in Mozambique.I wonder if Malemmer knows what modern warfare means.They don`t take prisoners anymore.Death and massive destruction comes swift and terable.God help us all especially the innocent.

      Kevin - 2011-06-20 15:31

      Come on , are you guys taking fat boy seriously. He is a joke and you should laugh.As chief bully at the kindergarten he is a class act. The bully always sees his ar#e

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 15:42

      Kevin: No I don’t take him seriously but the poor and the illiterate that believe each and every word he spews I do take seriously. There is a saying: When politicians and rich men go to war it is the blood of the poor that fills the trenches.

  • nvl - 2011-06-20 07:44

    Calm down people, everything will be fine, there will be no civil war!!

      Greenrain - 2011-06-20 07:48

      You are right, thats if we just sit back and let them take everything.

      Daemos1 - 2011-06-20 07:55

      Some people are itching for conflict.

      onetickie - 2011-06-20 09:14

      @nvl: are you perhaps the zoooooooooo? You think that the international, intellectuals, corporate investors feel "calmed down" about this useless parasite's rantings?

      one-way - 2011-06-20 09:29


  • Jakobus - 2011-06-20 07:56

    It is high time that all of us Afrikaners resolve this in the spirit of FW De Klerk of sharing,emotions anger and racist talk is not helping us as Afrikaners.Lets work on the lasting solution,a lot of fools are talking war,etc.We have to think about the future of future Afrikaners generations,this is Africa and we don't want to make the same mistake we made by staring Apartheid,please folks think before you make the situation worse.

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 09:11

      The war will not be of the Afrikaners making.

      william.botha - 2011-06-20 10:50

      The only war will be NATO and the UN taking action.

      Kgomotso - 2011-06-20 10:53

      now a sober person is speaking. Julius said if you do not agree come with alternatives. Come out and bring objective reasoning.

      Santapola - 2011-06-20 11:31

      You are one of a kind...the spirit of sharing......i never thought one of Afrikaner will ever say that..let us share

      emile.marais - 2011-06-20 11:50

      Jakobus I wish more Afrikaners saw things your way. The issue of land ownership and the current economic status quo is unsustainable. Look what it's doing to us as South Africans. Some are even calling for a war! My God, Apartheid was wrong. Period. Some very painful sacrifices will have to be made by Afrikaners. For their own sake. Mine included.

      Psalm - 2011-06-20 11:57

      @ Jakobus You're probably one of very few level-headed whites here. Most whites calling for war prove they do not grasp how such a war would play out. Africa is no playground when it comes to warfare. Slaughter is no joke here. Many also seem to be relishing the idea of being victims of genocide - they should be careful what they wish for. Some imagine the West will intervene - unlikely. But many relishing war seem ignorant of the diminishing influence of the West and rising influence of other players who may block any imagined Western intervention. It is up sane SAcans, not these insane, delusional, death-loving, al-qaeda-like commenters, to find a quick, efficient and economically viable land restitution solution that can be owned by sane SAcans. Those who relish war and experiencing genocide should be exported to Somalia. The so-called "low IQ" non-whites in Somalia will be happy to show the "high IQ" SA whites who relish war, just what a bloody slaughter looks like. In SA, the wise will work to find proper solutions.

      Dee - 2011-06-20 12:09

      I'm with you, Jakes. In order for things to change, we must change as well. But I must say that I find the whole Afrikaner-bashing thing a sign of lazy minds. I'm willing to bet that the majority of whites - including Afrikaners - is willing to make the changes necessary to resolve issues around race, land reform, poverty, education, etc. In fact, if we had to have a referendum on these issues tomorrow, I bet you'd find that the majority of whites are in, just as they were at the last referendum. The question is this: What are those changes, when do they start, what will it cost us, and how and when will we know that those imbalances have been adressed so that we can start playing on equal footing again? 10 years? 20 years? Those are answers for government, my friend, not for Afrikaners. The challenge is that we need a government who understands how to govern their way out of these issues, and who has the integrity and courage to commit their people to a resolution that works for everybody, not only for some.

      Other Justin - 2011-06-20 13:22

      @Kgomotso, sorry man, but I can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. He is generally serious racist in the same mold a verwoerd. He will never be a part of any solution, only of the problem, needing a solution.

      System Reset - 2011-06-20 13:53

      @Jakobus - OK, do you know what "taking land without compensation" means to a full time farmer? It means he loses 100% of his income as well as his house. Is that a sacrifice any sane man would be willing to make? NO. If we fight back it will not be fueled by racism, it will be a fight for the right to survive.

      realist03 - 2011-06-20 14:32

      Fact,,,malema will take over,its inevitable,,the cp and other factions will revolt against malema,he will crush them and beat them into submission,,in the mean time malemas henchman will be evicting all whites from farms,,this is when all whites and any race,who want true democracy and freedom will have to move to the western cape,as they want to drive us to the sea where we came from,its been their policy since the 70s,,except thats where we will take our final stand and make the cape independent,,the international community will make sure this happens to avoid mass refugees flooding to holland and the UK,so what can i say ,arm yourselves and start moving south people,,the clock is ticking faster than imagined.good luck and be safe

      Richie - 2011-06-20 14:43

      @ Kgomotso - WHY should we do the thinking for the brain dead buffoon! Cant he come up with his own suggestions? Of course not, because what he suggests is idiotic and you dont need half a brain-cell to figure that one out.

      onetickie - 2011-06-20 15:06

      @Jakobus; De Klerk was dealing with a highly intellectual, astute man, namely President Mandela. How the hell does one deal with a thing like malema pray tell??? The latter is the worst racist SA has today, he'll go down in history books as worse than the apartheid inventors. He'll be there alongside all the other failed African names as I've mentioned in other postings. You cannot talk or expect logic from a retard.

      Kevin - 2011-06-20 15:15

      Kgomotso- We do not answer to an idiot like Fat boy. He is in a kids league as a middle aged man.His kindergarten might carry a bit of weight with the anc but it has zero power otherwise. Think about it. A 32 year old moron playing in the kids league and you thinks he counts .HAHA

  • umlaut - 2011-06-20 08:03

    So based on that threat every farmer can apply for a few body guards- what are you waiting for Pieter,--organise it.

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  • umlaut - 2011-06-20 08:08

    The Rev. Manning of Utah USA has been proven right by malema-Please note that NO BLACK MUST CHECK HIM (Manning) OUT ON THE WEBSITE-ITS MEANT ONLY FOR WHITES. It will be very disturbing for blacks and especially for baby brains.

  • annie.kalahari - 2011-06-20 08:19

    I don't know what land the ANC-regime's current vile propaganda-tsunami still is talking about: the regime already has more than 5,9-million hectares of farm-land since 1994.The 14,000 'commercial' farmers now have access to less than 0,5% (LESS THAN HALF-A-PERCENT) of the ENTIRE SA land surface to produce food on for more than 50-million people.Why isn't the regime encouraging food-production on those farms? Because their aim is an ethnic-cleansing campaign of all the whites from the farms, smallholdings and towns of South Africa. It's not about the 'farms' - it's a campaign of genocide.

  • Stryder - 2011-06-20 08:24

    Time for the war to start. This is going to happen, it is inevitable. Farmers need to start destroying their own farms. Burn everything to the ground, poison the soil. Sell all assets (tractors etc.) now. The rest of us need to start closing our bank accounts with immediate effect, preferably all at once and then we can start negotiating.

  • thabo.tebele - 2011-06-20 08:36

    As a black youth who was taught from young age to work for everything.I say its about time all the famers and likeminded people whe stop this guy.He is a poison and clearly he does not know what he is talking about.I am now have working in Australian mines and I have worked at Zimbabwen mines and I know what I'm talking about and I have seen what happened to the land grab issue and nationalisation.

      Anne - 2011-06-21 02:21

      Tell your people, Thabo. They do not believe it coming from white folks, no matter how hard we try to put the past behind us.

  • Nico - 2011-06-20 08:37

    @Staffle.... he is one person. Rather be on his side then discredit Mulder. You know and I know and we all know to fight damn stupid green men is a mammoth task. People with no IQ is like sheep...... How do you win?????? There is HUGE problems in South Africa with Malema in charge of the ANC...HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oppressed - 2011-06-20 08:48

    If malema coughs, he is increasing farm murderes, if he laughs, he still increases farm murderes, if he fats, he also increases farm murderes. Are farmer's life's more important than any other life's in mzansi?

      Point Blank - 2011-06-20 13:57

      Clearly not considering the rate at which they are murdered.

      Dan Grey - 2011-06-20 15:54

      Listen to this moron. If Malema coughs.......blah, blah, blah, or laughs.... Except that Malema isn't merely coughing, farting. No he is actively calling for the slaughter of whites.

  • Joe - 2011-06-20 08:48

    There is something that is bugging me ...Has anyone in Government /ANC done any checklist to see how those farms that were sold are doing???? I know for a fact that 300 farms in zululand are redundent and abandoned!! So now what happens to those farms because the people are complaining that there are no food, no bananas, no potatoes, etc...that is also not working!!! dammit!!!!

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 09:30

      They want to drive, they have the steering wheel, let them drive. If they succeed great, if they burn... too bad.

      annie.kalahari - 2011-06-20 12:22

      It has nothing to do with 'land rights' and everything to do with ethnic-cleansing of the whites out of South Africa. I don't know what land the ANC-regime's current vile propaganda-tsunami still is talking about: the regime already has more than 5,9-million hectares of farm-land since 1994.The 14,000 'commercial' farmers now have access to less than 0,5% (LESS THAN HALF-A-PERCENT) of the ENTIRE SA land surface to produce food on for more than 50-million people.Why isn't the regime encouraging food-production on those farms? Because their aim is an ethnic-cleansing campaign of all the whites from the farms, smallholdings and towns of South Africa. It's not about the 'farms' - it's a campaign of genocide. '

      Dan Grey - 2011-06-20 15:56

      Good question Joe. All the farms now owned by blacks have failed. Blacks do not seem to have the mental capacity to learn from observing others bump their heads.

  • Claude - 2011-06-20 08:54

    Question - as a DA supporter, where is the DA youth league on this one....................oh yes, they don't deal with mamparras like Malema.

      Hennie - 2011-06-20 12:26

      Dont talkabout the friggin Da, they are just the ANC in disguise

  • Bosluis - 2011-06-20 08:55

    I aggree with Mr Mulder when he said "They talk about land grab - we surely will not accept it". If the Farmers need help, please call. Unfornately, everytime I post a comment like this, News24 delete it. Why? Is it because they are part of the problem?

      one-way - 2011-06-20 09:34

      Especially when you read others` rabid , rascist remarks. Agree with you.

      USSA - 2011-06-20 14:16


      GTFO - 2011-06-20 16:37

      fight....not to fail not to fall, or you will end uplie the other, die!!! die again!! if you have to...

  • Johan Van Zyl - 2011-06-20 08:55

    Constructive with pleasure get me the right gun and info and I will pop one in Malenema's head! with pleasure

  • JimmyJackpot - 2011-06-20 08:59

    Malema is rubbing people up the wrong way. Check the following quote: "Jy sal ons eiendom moet kom vat oor die loop van ’n geweer, maar die bloed sal dik loop!" Read more at:

  • greatgodpan - 2011-06-20 09:00

    im no farmer but does not ploughing salt and other chemicals into the land make it useless in anycase?.....scorched earth...fight fire with fire.Bad situation i know but kneeling down an bieng executed just is not an option ...........

  • zena - 2011-06-20 09:05

    personally, i would burn everything to the ground. see if they can sustain the land they want to just take.

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 09:12

      Agreed. When the Afrikaner “stole” the land there was nothing. I also agree, give them nothing.

      Beannie - 2011-06-20 09:29

      Yes and apply one heck of a lot of agent orange.

  • kaja - 2011-06-20 09:35

    Its is not just a warning for the farmers, it is a warning for us all! Winnie that is so desperately looking for someone to take some notice of her, looks like a dried out prune that Malema had for breakfast.

  • johann B - 2011-06-20 09:43

    @Stuffle Do you really think that we would be better off without Mulder there? Do you think it’s easy in the lion’s den? At least we have a man like Mulder with intelligence, integrity and credibility trying his best. He also represented our case at Unpo, the organisation for minority rights where Tibet and others are promoting their causes. Ons is geweldig diep in die moeilikheid. Ons het nou alle hulp nodig wat ons kan kry. Mulder het 'n baie belangrike rol om te speel. Die DA is ook baie welkom om hulle ding te doen. Dit gaan egter nie die land red nie. My oortuiging is dat jy die getallespeletjie nie sal kan wen nie. Most of Mulders supporters are intellectuals who understand the modern concept of minority rights. The extremists you are talking about don't vote at all. I even know about a few of them voting DA (still believing in Tony Leons Fight Back anti=black campaign)

  • AndY0uCallM3Crazy - 2011-06-20 10:06

    And we call this "humanity". Funny thing is that there is nothing "humane" about forcing people off their land albeit legally or by violence. We live in a world where there are no tolerance for the next person. You are black, I am white. You call me a racist, I call you a racist. The underlying hate does not just merely go between skin color but it is a world wide struggle between nations and even people of the same race. We as human just do not have the empathy to live together. We have to forever hold grudges and seek revenge "for the greater good". Oppressed and angry we strike at those who have it "better". You took the land of my anchestors and built a triving economy, forcing me out of my straw hut and now I have to buy food at a store and not hunt for it anymore. You gave me an opportunity to achieve something in life in stead of just writing on cave walls. You took me off my horse and donkey carts and gave me cars to drive in. You this You that.

      AndY0uCallM3Crazy - 2011-06-20 10:07

      So, the problem was never about what belonged to who. The problem here is about the errors of a previous nation who both brought on progress and also supressed their hosts. Now that this country is given back to the black government, it is not enough. We have to take it all and in the process corrupt it, kill everything, waste all the resources and to an end where there is nothing left and all my "brothers and sistas" are starving and live in famine. Like taking a healthy system and riddling it with disease and killing it off in favour of "the people". Julius Malema, so called "elected freedom fighter" has no clue. What exactly does he expect to happen when he "expropriates" argricultural land? You need not be a half wit to realize that that land will be used for nothing related to growing crops which is one of the most important contributions to our economy. With no food for the nation, dwingling crops, no exports and no money to pay for his "posse" to have big houses and mercedes benzes, what is next?

      AndY0uCallM3Crazy - 2011-06-20 10:07

      PART 3:Just wake up all you hypocrites and realize that you are part of the problem and not contributing in any way to the solution. You wine about substainable housing, job creation and all things nice but spend millions upon millions in luxury and self preservation. Take away Malema's lavish living and put him in a shack in the middle of winter and let him realize that the problem is bigger that "taking land" and wrecking the current mining industry. Get your goverment to stop "throwing parties" and corrupting the tax fund and spend the money on what is needed.

      Oppressed - 2011-06-20 11:05

      you are just a confuse racist, you know very well that what you have learned was a constracted apartheid history and your ancestors destroyed the real african history. Afrikaners never invented anything only apartheid, chinise invented staff, the americans invented staff, the egyptians invented staff, the english invented staff, africans started civilization. Now this is the real history, not that apartheid mabojambo

      annie.kalahari - 2011-06-20 12:23

      It has nothing to do with 'land rights' and everything to do with ethnic-cleansing of the whites out of South Africa. I don't know what land the ANC-regime's current vile propaganda-tsunami still is talking about: the regime already has more than 5,9-million hectares of farm-land since 1994.The 14,000 'commercial' farmers now have access to less than 0,5% (LESS THAN HALF-A-PERCENT) of the ENTIRE SA land surface to produce food on for more than 50-million people.Why isn't the regime encouraging food-production on those farms? Because their aim is an ethnic-cleansing campaign of all the whites from the farms, smallholdings and towns of South Africa. It's not about the 'farms' - it's a campaign of genocide. '

      reader1 - 2011-06-20 13:56


      Dan Grey - 2011-06-20 16:07

      "you are just a confuse racist, you know very well that what you have learned was a constracted apartheid history and your ancestors destroyed the real african history. Afrikaners never invented anything only apartheid, chinise invented staff, the americans invented staff, the egyptians invented staff, the english invented staff, africans started civilization. Now this is the real history, not that apartheid mabojambo" Invented staff???? hahahahaha No wonder you're oppressed. The real reason you're oppressed is because you lot are uneducated. Had all blacks been smart enough, they would have gone to school and to varsity afterwards and then they would have contributed to the economy 99% of the whites do. 99% of the whites do not own any land at all, yet brain Oppressed people are greedily eying what they have worked for so hard. You say we destroyed your history. hahahahaha The reason your history does not exist, is because you did not keep written record of it. The reason for this is because your brain oppressed ancestors could not read or write. It is well documented that whites gave blacks the written word. Shame poor IQ challenged permanently oppressed idiot.

  • william.botha - 2011-06-20 10:16

    Militant land invasion, white monopoly capital, "there is no way you can be diplomatic about the issue of land", all these statements provoke a response. I think that all like minded people, black and white should petition the UN to stop this monster terrorist Malema. I am willing to donate money to drag him to court and expose his "crime against humanity" tendencies. It is time now for a NEW REVOLUTION! Viva freedom from despots and tyrants, Viva freedom from murderous revolutionaries, I say the new movement on this planet is against these type of war mongers. Haul him before the international courts. Viva the new revolution against terrorists like Malema.

  • Mmoledi - 2011-06-20 10:27

    Unfortunately if farmers are not willing to gave up those land with offers given to them, then Malema is correct we must get another solution to get that land back to us there was no white person who can with a peace of land in South Africa in 1652 they found that land being us and used dirty tricks to take it from us so we are not going to compromise on that issue we want that land back and there will be no civil war fighting for that land, no one can fight for some thing that is not his, so it is disgusting for majority of this country suffer with land while minority have still huge land with them, some of them have only two cows in a 500 square hectors or more while people are struggling with land, only land that is used for the production of food for the nation can be left but those who just enjoy a big land without using it for the benefit of the nation then must forget those are type of land should be taken with or without compensation.

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 10:52

      The government took a lot of land and gave it to you. Why are those farms not working? Why have the people abandoned those farms? Why did they steal the pumps, break down the houses and steal the pipes? Why are people claiming well worked land but undeveloped land is not claimed? The government settled with a lot of people, paid them a lot of money yet they now cry again? Why? If this taking of land is such a good thing why is Zimbabwe the way it is or the rest of Africa for that matter? When Malama and his friends take the land and mines, who will get it? You? Does Malama have a list of names? You say the land is yours, did you develop the land? Did you feed the nation? Did you do anything? You sure the land is “yours” to begin with?

      Dominic - 2011-06-20 11:17

      I don't own any farmland. 99% or more whites don't own any either. Why are we not jumping up and down complaining that we got a bad deal, that the land was stolen from us too? I guess our great great great grandfathers didn't grab that land when no-one else owned it, or they weren't farmers, or they were somewhere else. I guess we don't cry over spilt milk. Probably the real reason that we don't wail about it is that we don't have a hope in hell of getting any if we do. But if you're black you do have a chance. The window of opportunity is open. Go for it. If I were you I would be doing as much gnashing of teeth and indignant wailing as I could. Good luck. Maybe one day I can come visit you on your farm.

      annie.kalahari - 2011-06-20 12:23

      It has nothing to do with 'land rights' and everything to do with ethnic-cleansing of the whites out of South Africa. I don't know what land the ANC-regime's current vile propaganda-tsunami still is talking about: the regime already has more than 5,9-million hectares of farm-land since 1994.The 14,000 'commercial' farmers now have access to less than 0,5% (LESS THAN HALF-A-PERCENT) of the ENTIRE SA land surface to produce food on for more than 50-million people.Why isn't the regime encouraging food-production on those farms? Because their aim is an ethnic-cleansing campaign of all the whites from the farms, smallholdings and towns of South Africa. It's not about the 'farms' - it's a campaign of genocide. '

      GTFO - 2011-06-20 15:55

      cant tell if trolling or just stupid....

      Richie - 2011-06-20 16:51

      @ Mmoledi - What companies / land are your referring to? Spaza shops! The average mean IQ of the sub-Saharan African is sitting around 60-65 points, Asians 105 and Europeans at 100 (note, this is the average mean, as proven by various independent studies). The ability to start a company or farm commercially is far beyond the reach of your average (please note, I do use the word average, so don’t come with exceptions) sub-Saharan African, who i might add looked at the moon for 4 million years and couldn’t come up with the wheel. So, I ask again what companies?, what long lost birth right? What, I say above regarding IQ is a fact proven by many studies. So don’t come with “entitled tendencies”... nothing you want now becomes you and nothing you demand will you be able to run successfully. You will just rape, pillage and plunder as.... proven by all the long-time-liberated SH#t holes from here to Nigeria.

      Nostrilite - 2011-06-21 00:33

      this guy is as thick a pig sh1t. ignore the clot.

  • Jakobus - 2011-06-20 10:41

    I was born in a farm next to Lephalale more than 60 years ago.My concern to the land issue is that some people are naive and want us to engage in afruitfulless struggle,as things stand we are still naturing the shame of Apartheid we are reminded about by the world,and it is inevitable that the black majority will have the land,the question is how?this is were the Afrikaner need proper leadership.We have to negotiate with the blacks and have our share and they can have their,finish and klaar.Most of the rubbish of war,hate,etc is a waste of time.

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 11:10

      @ Jakobus: I know of a lot of farmers going north where other African countries are allowing them to do what they do best, bring prosperity to their countries. I personally don’t see why not all farmers are grabbing on to these opportunities that are provided by other countries. The skills and knowledge are a sought after commodity even as far away as the USA. Why live in a country where you and your family’s life are in danger every day? Why provide for a people that don’t want you? Why safeguard a country that would rather steal from you and see you dead then protecting you? Jakobus, do you honestly think that this entitlement psyche the black South Africans live under will ever be satisfied?

      Oppressed - 2011-06-20 11:14

      i totally agree, if more whites think like you, this country will prsoper!

      ANCockup - 2011-06-20 15:57

      @oppressed if more coons like you died of AIDS then this country will really prosper.

  • Kgomotso - 2011-06-20 11:11

    Does it not make anyone wonder why all political party including DA are quite on this issue of Farmers. I have said it many times and everytime I mention it, it gets earsed. Farmer Workers are killed more than Farmers in SA stats speak volume. And the manner in which the farm worker are murdered make hair to raise. Farmer Worker are the once under siege not Farmer but murder is murder crime is crime. The only time AFRI-FORUM will make an impart in people`s mind is when they address issues affecting FARM WORKERS and FARMERS in the same breath. The manner AFRI-FORUM are confronting issue makes one wonders if they are not the once inciting killings and taking SA back to Apartheid era.

      Smaal - 2011-06-20 11:18

      Uhm, actually if you go read the stats you will find that it is actually farm workers who are killing or who are involved in the killings of farmers and that includes the execution of two year old white girls. The farm workers being killed are mostly killed by other blacks. I’d love to see stories and stats on farmers maliciously killing farm workers. Could you please post a reference?

      william.botha - 2011-06-20 11:39

      Give us those stats please Kgomotso, genuine stats from recognized sources, not your own version please.

      Grey B - 2011-06-20 15:17

      Kgomotso, Please, please, please. Please give me your source of information on the killings. i would love to see that stats. I am ALL for balance in justice. If you read this please send me some information.

      Grey B - 2011-06-20 16:14

      Come on Kgomotso, I dont have all day. Just copy and paste a link.

      Grey B - 2011-06-20 16:26

      Kgomotso, I have a suspicion you speak based on what your people are telling themselves. It seems you are easily influenced by leaders who also base their thoughts on emotions. You need to sit down and be totally honest with yourselves and not let emotions overcome you when people remind you of struggles, apartheid, etc. I am actually saying this to help you learn how to get over your sindrome of victimisation. When you feel like a victim, you will start to think like one, and then act out on it. The outcome is not good for this country, and then not good for me and my children. So please get over it and let us look forward. Please if you have information on the killings please let me have it, I would appreciate good reading.

      Anne - 2011-06-21 02:29

      How come one hardly ever hears about a farm worker that is killed by a farmer, but every day we hear about farmers killed by their workers?

      John Wilderness - 2011-06-21 09:02

      By time south Africans have a collective concern for ALL its inhabitants and not just farmers. All are suffering. Spot on Kgomotso.

  • Dee - 2011-06-20 11:12

    How's this for a differnet take on Julius and his worth: We need a strong opposition if we're to take SA forward. In order for that to happen, we need a serious split in the ANC. And that can only happen when there's disagreement on one or more serious issues. Land reform is one of those. So I say give the dog a longer lead to keep barking about actions that are in total contradiction to the constitution. Because the more the dog keeps barking, the more it claims territory that's not its to claim, and the more it urinates on the gravestones of those people who wrote the Freedom Charter, the more it will stress everyone at base camp. Sooner or later, some will evict the dog, and some will choose to be evicted with it. You can't please everyone: Lazy, fascist, violent, racially divisive talk will only attract lazy, fascist, violent and racially divisive people. I cannot believe that there are more South Africans who tick tick those boxes than there are who don't. Let's just get on with what's best for everyone, including finding a way to speed up land reform and all our other problems. Rainbow Nation can still happen.

  • jeany aluwani - 2011-06-20 11:14

    the woodworking boss need to learn something about nation buliding

  • jeany aluwani - 2011-06-20 11:16

    the wood working boss need to learn something about nation building rather than doing what his father mugabe did

  • umlaut - 2011-06-20 11:26

    By law you are not allowed to kill to defend your property-your life or other lives must be in immediate danger, before you can kill. malema has declared a one sided war by ordering his gang to take the land illegally. If the boeremag members can be arrested for plotting to overthow the govt so can he and his gang be arrested.The fact that they are not is implicating the govt in this plot or civil war as to take the farms. The method of taking the land will be for a few to arrive at a farm and when the farmer threatens them to leave they do so but ten minutes later the police will arrive to arrest the farmer for "pointing" a firearm. The rebels then come back and take the farm and the family is defenceless and are raped and killed. The police will not even open a docket since they are siding with the rebels. One answer is to apply for political assylum at embassies of various countries now, as to get out. Another answer is to make sure whoever threatens you on your farm, doesn't leave again. We are at war already. Pieter is right-prepare yourselves.

      Dan Grey - 2011-06-20 16:14

      This might have worked in Zimbabwe, but it isn't going to work here. It might work on one or two farms, until the farmers figure out the MO. What will happen is that the other farmers will rally to the afflicted farm. The war will start when the police tries to arrest those which did not cause the confrontation i.e. the police will come to the farm to arrest the farmer merely defending his property under the constitution. So you'll have about 50 farmers in a face off with the police. Should thing go wrong then the war will start. This is if Malema gets his way, because this is what he wants.

      Grey B - 2011-06-20 16:32

      I have actually never thought of it this way. What Malema is doing is commiting a crime. He is planning a mass stealing of property. He is planning Mass murder, he is planning violent crime!!!!! Surely our constitution must make provision for this. Are there good attorneys out there that can HELP?

  • Mike - 2011-06-20 11:27

    Surely taking property - any property - without payment is theft, no matter how sophisticated the means?

      umlaut - 2011-06-20 12:46

      @Mike--In theory yes-in SA no. The police sides with the attackers, They will refuse to open a docket-who do you go to to complain-the newspapers?? 250000 complaints suddenly? Eventually cases could be opened but you will have to proof you were forced off etc. Your courtcase will take 2 years to get to court and then it is posponed for some stupid reason (the new chosen judges will make sure of that). In the meantime you go buncrupt.

      John Wilderness - 2011-06-21 09:03

      JA just a pity the the settlers did not see it that way 300 years ago.

  • middelvinger - 2011-06-20 11:34

    Ok - let us start and get the real history of land ownnership in this country on the table. For starters - no black "owned" land in this country prior to legal ownership brought in by white people. No black occupied any land for a period of time if there was no surface water on it or nearby - blacks didn't have the knowhow, tools or guts to supply water to arid land. ALL people in this country were nomads - whether they arrived on foot (no shoes) or by ship. The first people to establish themselves permanently on one piece of land were the whites. Now let us get started with who owned what. And by the way - my people arrived here in 1706. I'm here and will stay here Malema or whomever.

      Dan Grey - 2011-06-20 16:16

      The first contact between the Bantu and the whites happened 100 YEARS after Jan v. Riebeeck first landed at the Cape and it happened 1200km to the East. The blacks were not in South Africa first. That is a myth.

      John Wilderness - 2011-06-21 09:06

      Ja Dan Grey. So you all trying to convince the world. Unfortunately your messages get read by people that use their common sense so they can see that apartheid education has brainwashed you to think that white people were in South africa before black people.

  • HistoryBuff - 2011-06-20 11:42

    Can anyone tell me why my comment about using your brain and not getting over emotional was deleted? Typical media, just thrives on fear and hate. Will this comment be deleted then too? Censorship is alive and well I see.

  • Petroon - 2011-06-20 11:45

    Malema, you are not a leader, you are a spoiled brat. A leader looks after his people before he looks after himself. You are doing and saying these stupid things to take the focus off other things you are bussy doing. We are a one nation, a good leader are supposed to be colour blind, calm tensions, build a non racial attitude, but when you open your mouth you snear at women, calling them names, you snear at white and coloured people calling them names! You have no respect for wizer elders who you are supposed to learn from. You are playing with people's lives as if it is pocket money to be spend, and our freedom was so dearly paid for in blood. You are busy ruining everything, you are a cancer eating up our couldn't get votes by compaigning like a normal politician, earn your vote the hard way, no, you had to resort to promises and threads to gain stardom in the ANCYL. We will not tollerate another tyran or oppressor like the Mugabe type for this country ever again, by assuming a lot of things you are going to burn your fingers......just a warning....

  • HistoryBuff - 2011-06-20 11:51

    This site sucks. I only joined today and already my comments are deleted time and again. Why? I don't make rabid racist remarks, I don't call for war. This is bull.

      umlaut - 2011-06-20 13:03

      Try to get it through-it must be some real powerful stuff-write with codes !@#$%^&*()+ here and there.