Shivambu: ANCYL will not retreat

2011-09-02 22:36

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League will not be intimidated and there will be no retreat, spokesman Floyd Shivambu said on Friday as disciplinary procedures continued against its president Julius Malema.

"It looks like we are going to be inside Luthuli House for a long time," he said of the ANC's headquarters in Johannesburg, where the hearings are being held.

On Friday, the ANC's national disciplinary committee rejected an application by Malema for the charges against him to be dropped.

It also refused Malema's application for the recusal of committee chairperson Derek Hanekom, Mining Minister Susan Shabangu and Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane.

Shivambu said the hearings would probably be postponed until either Monday or next Monday, September 12.

Malema was brought before the committee on charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing division in ANC ranks.

He recently said the ANCYL would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and to help bring about regime change, as it believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

Charged with him are Shivambu, ANCYL deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Masenogi.

All except Shivambu were to appear before the committee on Friday. His disciplinary hearing had been postponed to a later date.

It had been rumoured that Malema would address his supporters after Friday's hearings, but instead Shivambu came out to speak to the group gathered in Beyers Naude Square.

He said the ANCYL would in due course tell its members in all provinces what was going to happen.

An unnamed supporter said Malema would not address the crowd because he had already said what he needed to say.

"Come on, use common sense. The provinces have already spoken to the people, why does he need to?" he asked.


Shivambu said the ANCYL did not want to communicate the happenings in the hearings every day, but would tell everyone what was happening once there was an outcome.

"We want all of you to come back here and support us."

He said misleading messages had been sent out that the ANCYL was questioning the ANC's constitution.

Just then, his microphone cut out and the crowd shouted: "Sabotage".

In a statement issued earlier in the day, Shivambu said the information about the hearings, which the ANC gave to the media, was against the party's constitution.

"The ANCYL's understanding of the ANC constitution's clause concerning public communication is that it can only be done once all processes have been finalised," he said.

The ANCYL would stand by this understanding in its own dealings with the media.

Shivambu said the information divulged until now did not reflect what had happened in the hearings.

The league dismissed as untrue a report by the ANC's disciplinary committee claiming Malema had argued the charges against him were contrary to the ANC constitution.

It would make an urgent application to stop any future such ANC communications.

Malema's former deputy Andile Lungisa said the ANCYL national executive committee would review what had happened in Friday's hearing.

  • Thandiwe83 - 2011-09-02 22:41

    Cannot stand youth league. Tues' violence has dented their popularity!

      debrakayestylist - 2011-09-02 22:57

      Like "Moeletsi Mbeki FOR President" on facebook if you have had enough of the country being run into the ground!

      Gomez - 2011-09-02 23:38

      Great!!!Please dont retreat!Completely destroy your relationship with the ANC and start your own rotten little corrupt party somewhere so that the DA can grow stonger for all South Africans.Down with the racist ANCYL!!!Xx

      JedEye - 2011-09-03 00:04

      No it hasn't... the only popularity they have is amongst sub-human zombies, who in fact encourage and support Tuesdays violence. Oh well, every could has a silver lining... in this case, it is that the ANC is now divided, paving the way for a bright future with a majority DA vote :-) who will prove to the population that they are not 'imperialists' or 'agents'... but instead a peace loving, competent bunch of civilized human beings....

      whatashame - 2011-09-03 00:40

      @Thandiwe83 Agreed. Malema told his rent-a-crowd on Monday that he is one person who once he says something he doesn't turn back. Maybe they don't remember his lack of vision when he called on his followers to die for Zuma. Doesn't turn back???? Now they want to kill Zuma. All the posters calling Zuma a rapist etc. Go back to pre Polokwane when the people on these posts forecast that Zuma as pres would be a disaster. All the puppets were slamming everyone who didn't show respect for the Pres. Oh well Malema will expose plenty because he is actually a chicken who won't go down alone - hence the urgency of the secrecy bill so all their dirty little secrets can't get exposed in the press. Unfortunately Malema is a very clever strategist and has the people eating out of his hands but he has no vision for the future. He says just what is needed to keep his his followers right up his butt and they fall for it hook line and sinker. Hitler, Idi Amin, Gadaffi, Mugabe, Malema - all the same. Just greed and power and tuff sh.. if you remain poor and uneducated. This is a sorry mess

      canuck13 - 2011-09-03 01:02

      Is there one white member in the ANCYL? I wonder what Malema thinks of this Hanekom agent as chairman?

      mobiles - 2011-09-03 03:32

      The youth league is an embarrassment to the whole of South Africa !! They thrive on the uneducated masses !!

      Netherlander - 2011-09-03 04:35

      Mobiles... they could not give a STUFF about the un-educated masses... That's VOTING FODDER to them....

      Yomar Sapus - 2011-09-03 07:45

      Wow, just when you thought they may have learnt a lesson in humility, that floyd d00s opens its mouth again. Typical of a anc yobbo leguue member....

      Netherlander - 2011-09-03 08:05

      Mokwena.... Take that CHIP off your shoulder, it is starting to FEED OFF YOUR BRAIN... and you ain't got alot to go around! Last time I checked, the ANC was in charge of the Faltering State... NOT the DA!!!! The only province that the DA IS RUNNING, has the LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT PERCENTAGES.... where as the ANC RUINED PROVINCES are ALL +40% unemployed! SO.... WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC??? Sorry... you learnt about the word COCONUT..... But have NEVER HEARD OF LOGIC!!!

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 08:30

      @ Mokwena, It looks like you finished throwing stones with your buddies at lootfreely house and now you are back doing your madams garden and while she is out shopping you got hold of her komputah and decided to show the world how intelligent you are,now bugger off and water the roses

      Scorpion - 2011-09-03 10:39

      The organisation is hell bent on destroying this country. We have a political party in SA now that is almost identical to the Zanu PF.

      Neil - 2011-09-03 13:20

      Oooooh Floyd, I am shaking in my boots. You think everyone is terrified of the ANCYL.. LOL, they are a bunch of clowns.

      Together - 2011-09-03 16:57

      This whole thing might be one big blind while the ANC pushes through the Info Bill - we'll know if they respond properly to what is a direct challenge to the ANC leadership. If not, we'll know it was one big distraction and a set-up.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-04 11:54

      Everyone is going on about racial division and hatred,i never hated anyone before but now with this fat pig running around and spewing vommit from his mouth everytime he opens it and threatening our safety and my childrens future i can feel the hatered rising.these sick excuses for humans must be very carefull,they are starting to push too hard and soon people will reach breaking point

  • Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-09-02 22:51

    So in effect mr. shivambu (use of lower letters deliberate) is calling the Cancer liers. As the full communique released by the Cancer, states 22 legal attempts to have the charges withdrawn by julie-arse. One of the arguments was that it was against the CancER constitution, the same argument against the South African Constitution and another that he did not know of the clauses in the CancER constitution that he was being charged with. It does not get clearer than that. So what Bovine-waste is this "gentleman" sprouting on about.

      Not Black - 2011-09-02 23:20

      Well Written. Lower Case deliberate = Exceleent. Why even call the Jerk a mr?

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 08:32

      you should have refered to it as mrs mal lemmer

      flummoxed - 2011-09-03 08:48

      Oxygen thief!

  • veld66 - 2011-09-02 22:56

    Education is very important.......

      Jamesons - 2011-09-03 01:09

      WOW, you are very clever

      Netherlander - 2011-09-03 08:07

      (Hands veld66 his NODDY BADGE)

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 08:32


  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-02 23:01

    This guy is just making the hole deeper! - when will they ever learn?......

      Wow! - 2011-09-03 08:30

      These ANCYL cadres don't know how to learn. That has been the problem all along.

  • Beam me up - 2011-09-02 23:03

    The Largest Circus in the World...all they need is a tent.

      Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-09-02 23:07

      It will be stolen if needed :D

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-02 23:05

    Bunch of idiots.

      THE.SRG - 2011-09-03 11:11

      if the sun when down in the middle of the speech the would have yelled "sabotage"

  • Yislaaik - 2011-09-02 23:10

    I just wish they would stop referring to this bunch of recalcitrant dregs as 'The young lions'. I haven't seen that on News24 but the media is full of it. They are already pompous enough for the useless scum that they are, they must love being called lions. I can just imagine what kind of homes they come from. Ironing nannies and garbage collectors? The ones who had to pick up the dirt they left in the streets?

      Jamesons - 2011-09-03 01:17

      Dont insult garbage collectors, not nice to compare them to scum of the ANCYL

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-03 06:17

      Young hyaena's would be quite an appropriate name. Scavengers. These kids have no conscience, and it really seems not much between the ears besides being able to manipulate people for their own personal agendas.

      Grayman - 2011-09-03 07:29

      I feel the same Yislaaik, however; When the YL was formed with some educated, well meaning activists they were worthy of the Young Lions play on the acronym YL. Now that the Youth League has fallen to the revolution-without-a-cause bundle of uneducated, unemployed rabble they remind me more of the emancipated caged lions you would find in a badly managed zoo. Trapped, caged, moth-eaten and with their ribs showing.

      johan van hoff - 2011-09-03 07:35


      africanwolf - 2011-09-03 08:36

      I think it is a spelling mistake not Lions but Lie-ons

      Jigaboo - 2011-09-03 12:01

      nomadic...parasitic...and as Pastor Manning calls them..."DESTROYERS"...

  • Verdade - 2011-09-02 23:48

    Jeez..... Floyd you are a tough nut to crack, or just plain stupid like the rest of your bunch of hooligans! Now Floyd go chill this weekend, and lead by example (Not meaning throwing stones ect..) but to the respect the very constitution you fought for, oh you were still in nappies anyway! So the constitution your respectful elders sacrificed so much for...but like Mr. Woodwork you'll don't know what respect is about

  • JedEye - 2011-09-03 00:12

    Floyd 'say what we mean and we mean what we say' Shivamboon is actually a Sith Lord!!! Has anyone else noticed that he actually resembles a black version of Darth Sidious...

      handbanana - 2011-09-03 01:26

      The difference is that Darth Sidious can manipulate matter around him to extend his influence, the only thing Floyd can manipulate is the amount of ketchup he expels over his KFC fries in the morning...

  • doris.morgan1 - 2011-09-03 00:14

    What has been said has been said. ..If the ANCYL need to reflect on it, they have the whole weekend to do so.....

  • Rick Coetzee - 2011-09-03 01:17

    When so many have so little it does not take much to influence them. In fact it takes only a little JuJu to influence them - and that is very very little. Makes one worry doesn't it.

      Robert - 2011-09-03 07:40

      yes Rick it does make one worry , if you look at Zimbabwe. the land grabs, the masses walk in, take over & what productivity is seen? NOTHING!Hitler tried to rule the world & what happened? him & his bully boys failed dismaly, another example Gadafi & Libiya,why has he gone into hiding? to condense what i'm writing, dictatership cannot succeed, i believe that from the masses it wil become, you promosed me cake & i ate crumbs, you promised me wine & gave me water, you promised me warmth in winter & gave me a string vest.The masses will wake up one day.

  • juicecard - 2011-09-03 02:47

    In Zimbabwe, julius malema openly showed his support for robert mugabe and criticised the Movement for Democratic Change led by the Right Honourable Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai. We have always tried to make those blinded by malema's rhetoric gestures to see how dangerous and bad an influence this unguided young man is to the present generation of progressive youths, but some have accused us of being jealousy of his rather unfortunate "marriage" with robert and his ruining regime. We really are not bothered. Let them meet and mate. We dont need julius malema to bring good governance and freedom to Zimbabwe and total peace to Africa. He shld just put his hands off our youths and stop polluting them with dirty ideas!!! The MDC says no no no no to violence!!! Julius malema can go hang 67 times before he goes to hell. Amandla!

  • Kenneth - 2011-09-03 04:16

    A=arrogant , N=nieve ,C=communist ,Y=youth ,L=loud ANCYL=nothing democratic and constitutional and full of crap!!!

  • kilo39 - 2011-09-03 04:21

    'TIK-tock' is taking on a whole new meaning. These okes are definitely abusing methamphetamines....there is no other logical explanation for their reckless bravado, their illogical outlook for resolving issues, their devious agendas and their total lack of respect for acceptable norms.

  • BoerSeun - 2011-09-03 05:14

    got nothing to do with intimidation, it is all about follow the rules in life, i guess they think they are above it.

  • Kevin - 2011-09-03 06:21

    ancyl will not retreat- Funny thing HaHa. Gadaffi is saying the same thing. Hey doffie,you are bringing shame on the family. You cannot keep on shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic,

  • Chris - 2011-09-03 07:10

    It seems to me that the ANCYL is now clutching at straw arguments to detract from the fact that their attempts to destabilise the proceeding have already been dealt two knock down blows. Will their supporters return on Monday? In the event that the do not turn out in greater numbers I would say that the writing is on the wall for the Malema cabal and their best bet would be to plead guilty and reduce the negative exposure they are getting.

      leonard - 2011-09-03 08:20

      @Chris Ja boet,but,unless the mother body actually takes firm action,and throws them out,we arrive back at square one.

  • Mokwena Mokwena - 2011-09-03 07:13

    Long live our economic liberator. We will support you come rain or sun shine. THGe news papers and MAntashe & Zuma are running an apetheit style media campaign to discredit their own. Even the the DA and Afriforum never said bad things about Clive Derby-Lewis, Steve Hofmeyer, and other recist who support them. Loook at Zimbabwe cricket team - it is liberated and performes well. Blade and the yellow communist are dangerous but won't stop us. We are going to nationalise south african resources, no matter what Ramos or Nkabinde or Zuma says. We must persure the African Agenda or else we will be ruled by puppets like Wattara in Ivory Coast. Long live Mugabe for resisting the imperialist. Juju supporter for life.

      johan van hoff - 2011-09-03 07:39


      Grayman - 2011-09-03 08:00

      No no Johan. Please let Mokwena stay for a while. He writes such amusing stuff and the funiest part is that he actually believes it. Poor bloke is so insecure that he has to repeat his name twice.

      Netherlander - 2011-09-03 08:13

      Mokwena.... I see you helped yourslef to ONE TO MANY STUPID PILLS, this morning! Watch out for that Chip on your shoulder.... looks like the FEEDING FRIENZY HAS COMMENCED...not much left of that

      RonJ - 2011-09-03 08:13

      Hey Mokwena, Dian Fossey LOVES you !!! And you're as stupid and Malema, Floyd and the rest of the ANCYL lazy rioters.

      littledragon - 2011-09-03 08:18

      It's ok Mokwena !!! We understand !! Empty barrels make the most noise !! We can clearly see that you are uneducated ...DUDE this is a spell checker on your PC use it !! But we clearly understand why you follow this oaf, because if you were educated and really understood what you were talking about you would come back and see the error of your ways !! So leave for a while !! Go get some descent education so you can build this country and not destroy it and expect handouts !! You were never in Zimbabwe so you cant speak about there plight ? Go and read more and stop believing what you hear so eventually you can make an educated statement on this forum !

      Smk - 2011-09-03 08:20

      My word you are really dumb mokwena. No point arguing with you cause you are definatly one of if not the last scraping coming out the evolutionary barrel.

      Babba x - 2011-09-03 08:27

      You go girl!!! Go "persure the African Agenda" whatever that is

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 08:35

      who pulled your chain

      johan van hoff - 2011-09-03 08:35


      flummoxed - 2011-09-03 08:53

      What a load of clap trap. Are you 6yrs old!!??

      william.botha - 2011-09-03 09:12

      john, does your boss in Eskom know you're punting for his job?

      RonJ - 2011-09-03 09:19

      John Lubisi - The ANCYL (Malema, Floyd and the other lazy racists) are OVER BRA! ACCEPT IT!

      boby.mafi - 2011-09-03 12:13

      Hey Mokwena l am Zimbabwean and my experience of Mugabe is that he is a black imperialist.You South Africans can have him for free if you admire him so much, in fact we can pay you billions if you can take him for keeps!

      holger.behrens.88 - 2011-09-03 12:33

      Never before have I witnessed someone who can so elegantly twist the facts to suit his argument. Mokie you are a master. Just sad that the foundation for that is an idiot. Keep on believing what you like, but be sure that the freedom struggle put the SA constitution in place, and no moron will ever demolish that like in Zim.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-03 13:50

      hehe -- you have just confirmed your lack of IQ comrade. If you see incompetent-corrupt-40year-old- teen-thieve-malema as your leader,you are actually braindead

      Benny66 - 2011-09-03 14:44

      Mokwena is a fraud. He certainly isn't a black dude - check his spelling again - HE'S A STIRRER!

      Fanie Botha - 2011-09-03 17:43

      Why do people waste your time?

      whatashame - 2011-09-04 00:18

      @MokwenaX2. Remember Zuma's corruption and rape charges and all the puppets that swore to die for him and now today they burning him??? Well in years to come you will be burning Malema because he can never give you the 'economic freedom' you all so badly want for free. Watch this space just as we predicted pre Polokwane on Zuma, you are all going to see your butts while Malema gets richer and richer and you get poorer and poorer. Malema and his fellow playground chommies don't have a clue on basic economics and you can't see that he is only for his own pocket just like his mentors Mugabe and Gadaffi. The problem is all the followers are learning history and economics as taught by Julius and blindly believe him. He very very cleverly manipulating you all just for his own power and greed and you fall for it. Shame on him!!!! Zuma and Malema both are a disgrace to the values and principles of my old ANC. Zuma must resurrect the ANC Quattro detention camps for traitors and send Malema there. If you think the apartheid police were brutal on opposition you ain't seen nothing yet.

  • RainbowZombi - 2011-09-03 07:19

    Dissolve the ANCYL why do you want two parties in one and two presidents battling for power. "Youth League" meaning young children, if you don't discipline/ teach discipline to children they become uncontrolable. Put them up for for adoption. Their moto; E-Choncha, E-China, E-Bulala, E-20, E-Mahala!

  • Babba x - 2011-09-03 08:20

    The Public Protector for President!!!

      whatashame - 2011-09-04 00:21

      @Babba x. Definitely!!!!!

  • patrickb - 2011-09-03 08:23

    The ANCYL are a disgrace to their fore bearers, many of whom gave their lives to the liberty of South Africa. They are an avaricious bunch of miscreants that incite hatred to further their ends.

  • Paul - 2011-09-03 08:32

    ANCYL will not retreat Neither will it advance.

  • umhlopo - 2011-09-03 08:40

    I would love to know who writes this floyds(mrs mal lemmer)speeches,it seems to me that a whole bunch of them sit around on the pavement drinking juba and when they are totally pissed then they all become proffessors and put a speech together.VIVA YOU WANKERS VIVA,your time for whiskey on the rocks is over soon it will be juba on the pavemoont

  • alfie.dunn - 2011-09-03 08:43

    Mokwena Mokwena passop wena...What the hell has the DA and Afriforum got to do with the system that is denying these supposed to be kids an oppertunity. The last I heard the ANC was still governing SA. If there is one coconut moron, it is you.You obviously still think that the white man owes you, and still blame the white man for your incompetance. Best is, go and seat yourself at the root of the coconut tree and observe.

      flummoxed - 2011-09-03 09:01

      Show me one 'blek' country beyond our Northern borders that is financially sound, free of famine, disease, stabile and I'll laugh in your face.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:34

      you are wasting your time reasoning with these brainwashed neanderthals,they dont have a cooking clue what is going on around them and eventually when the sh-t hits the fan due to their poor judgement they run around like fowls with their heads chopped off and blame us whites,At the end of the day the man with one eye among the blind is king

  • william.botha - 2011-09-03 08:54

    Shiborile Shitombo Shivambu. You're sleeping around.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:35

      with a goat

      patrickb - 2011-09-03 12:26

      Goats are quite fussy....... It would have to be a pig!

  • JL Lubisi - 2011-09-03 09:02


      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-03 14:11

      eeh John,did you also burned your books? The lack of IQ comes across in big waves comrade.

  • - 2011-09-03 09:41

    This representative of the people and down trodden poor apparently was given a luxury Italian car for his birthday recently, (a Maseratti Im told) and was late arriving at Cleopatro Country House( R1500.00 per person per night), in the Midlands with his wife due to the short, last few kays of dirt road. Makes you woder don't it?

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:37

      he wasnt late because of the road,they didnt have accomadation for his goat

  • alex.manhique - 2011-09-03 10:59

    this ANCYL they dont even follow the rules and regulation of the party as shivambu says,cause if he says he's not intimediated,so it means that hes gonna follow malema's foot print,so but he must be carefull of what he'saying cause in ENGLISH they say u mus'nt hunt what u canot kill.

  • Da.Liva.Delvira - 2011-09-03 11:09

    Hey!!! You guys hear that Julius Malema was pranked called??? Apparently Pres. Obama "personally called him" LOL!!! And poor Juju thought that it was really the U.S President... Hahahaha!!! How dumb can you be??? The next day he goes around bragging that he had a very "serious conversations with the U.S president!!! So you really want to support someone who can't tell the difference between a recording and a real person??? Just shows how "intelligent" he and his supporters are... Hahahahaha!!!

  • Jigaboo - 2011-09-03 11:51

    stupid stupid little garden boy. go pull out weeds floyd.

  • boby.mafi - 2011-09-03 12:07

    Well its good for ANCYL to say they will not be intimidated but then they should not try to intimidate the ANC from following its disciplinary procedures.

  • Dirk du Plessis - 2011-09-03 12:37

    Nyiko Floyd Shivambu- and you are ??????

  • Dirk du Plessis - 2011-09-03 12:40

    @ Mokwena -- Jip- Dying- AIDS are 4 real

  • GB - 2011-09-03 14:28

    @Mokwena Mokwena - I think you are the one that is confused "Coconut". The DA does not run the country - the ANC does so any denial of opportunity must be laid squarely at their door. And Yes Mugabe did stuff up Zimbabwe and still is.

  • Stu Howler - 2011-09-03 16:10

  • Fanie Botha - 2011-09-03 17:38

    Yah ne?

      anfield - 2011-09-04 09:53

      hey 10000+. ok i went over the top, shouldn't have got personal, I apologize unreservedly. my views on zim stay the same. no one has yet explained to me the good bob has done to the country. shaka's history, although despotic, has no bearing on current day politics. i have never ever iterated that i supported the previous regime in any correspondence. So 10000+ as i stated, i apologise.

  • 7eleven - 2011-09-04 20:29


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