Some members enriching themselves - Motlanthe

2011-12-17 22:19

Polokwane - The ANC is struggling to develop "cadres" who put the interests of the people first, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said on Saturday.

To deal with this problem of "cadres feathering their own nests”, Motlanthe said he wanted party branches to prioritise discipline and political education.

“Most of the challenges facing the organisation stem from the rapid growth of the organisation; with no attendant effort to educate members and leaders about the minimum expectations that come with the responsibility of being a member or a leader of the ANC,” he told delegates at the start of the ANC's elective congress in Limpopo.

Motlanthe said it was only through discipline and political education that "we can safeguard the values, culture and traditions that have earned [us] the trust of South Africans who've constantly voted [the ANC] into power".

Motlanthe emphasised the importance of unity within the ANC, saying members should manage their differences and rise above them.

“We cannot hate each other as the ANC members and still hope to love the people of South Africa. Love for each other is a precondition for the love we have for society,” he said.

Modern heroes

He lamented the need for modern iconic heroes, saying "the ANC cannot bask in the glory of its history forever".

Motlanthe earlier warned delegates against voting according to factions.

“The emergence of slates within our organisational culture and the processes represent the worst form of corruption of the spirit, character and vision of the organisation," he said.

"The time has come for all of us in the ANC to condemn the slate culture to the dustbin of history."

ANC Limpopo chair and premier, Cassel Mathale, is battling it out at the conference against Deputy Arts and Culture Minister Joe Phaahla to retain his position.

Early indications are that Mathale allegedly has the most number of supporters at the conference. Mathale backers apparently include the provincial ANC Youth League, the women's league and the Peter Mokaba and Vhembe regions.

The Sekhuhune and Mopani regions want Phaahla to take over from Mathale - whose chances in retaining his position might have been threatened by the recent placing of some provincial department under administration by President Jacob Zuma.

Unity and discipline

Motlanthe warned that the leaders chosen during this conference would immediately have to get to work at instilling a sense of unity and discipline in the party structures.

Motlanthe, who sternly instructed howling delegates not to interrupt him while he was speaking, challenged the conference to determine what roles the party could allocate those members who had selflessly served it, but now could no longer do so because they were on the wrong slate.

Zuma was initially expected to address the delegates. However, the ANC has since replaced him with Motlanthe.

This was reportedly to save him embarrassment after it was learnt that delegates loyal to Mathale, were unhappy with him and had planned to boo him, especially after his decision to put five of Limpopo's departments under administration.

This was evident on Saturday when delegates gave a roaring "viva" for Motlanthe and a subdued one for Zuma.

Mathale supporters were confident that he would come out victorious, saying proceedings on Saturday were just a formality. Phaahla supporters also felt that their leader would come out victorious.

Results of the vote are expected on Sunday morning.

  • AyGeeWils - 2011-12-17 22:25

    Empty rhetoric - he does not have the means to reverse the rot in the ANC it is now endemic and entrenched - only a complete overhaul of the puplic service and massive investigations costing billions will make any difference and this is not going to happen.

      AyGeeWils - 2011-12-17 22:51

      I too welcome his admissions but the task is massive and as mentioned below, it had to start at the top! How does Zuma justify or explain the R70mil home he is building himself in nKanthla just for starters?

      Donovan - 2011-12-17 22:55

      Yes, cadres like Kgalema and Jacob are entitled to enrich themselves, but nobody else should follow their example. Motlanthe is himself what he is describing.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-17 23:08

      @Donavan. How do you get to have this cool Facebook page????? Please tell me! I'm so sick of my boring Facebook page.

      Saksak Motsepe - 2011-12-17 23:38

      facebook timeline

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-17 23:50

      @ Saksak. It won't allow an installation. Probably because I am a PDI. Only the privileged few can get it!!!! LOL LOL To everybody else. Please that was a joke, don't get hysterical!

      Donovan - 2011-12-18 00:54

      Yep, Facebook Timeline, rolled out first in NZ, I'm sure you'll get it soon Mr. Lion Man :-).

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 01:23

      @Donavan. Thanks. I'll put up a few pictures for you of our lions and rhinos.

      Sharkshoot - 2011-12-18 08:03

      Shows just how united the so called stalwarts really are. These comrades are as united in their cause for the revolution as I am to go to the dentist. The masses should start reading the papers and stop killing and stealing.

      Louis - 2011-12-18 08:43

      How thick are these anc ring gears, it's taken them how many years to realize what we have been saying since 1994, I think these guys have pressed the panic button. I pray quite often for the downfall of this bunch of criminals. When the governing party changes I’d like to see these ring gears brought to book and their ill begotten wealth confiscated. Unfortunately their stashes in foreign bank accounts will be a different matter.

      goyougoodthing - 2011-12-18 09:34

      They are all corrupt. Not even sure why this one is trying to pretend they are not. Rome is burning, the fiddler is playing and the emperor has no clothes and yet none will admit it. The ANC, like all other 'freedom' parties can't govern. Inept, corrupt and racist to the core. Simple facts none want to talk about.

      Mark - 2011-12-18 11:33

      Rotten to the core !!!

      AyGeeWils - 2011-12-18 12:05

      Judging by most of our comments - we need a new government? and not the DA - I wonder - probably not in my life time :))...

      Michael - 2011-12-18 13:13

      This is a lame comment, practice what you preach!

      John - 2011-12-18 18:07

      to the tune of Mfana: Motlanthe, Jesus loves you, Motlanthe, Your mother loves you, Motlanthe, Your father loves, Repent, Manpara, repent, Repent, Ignorant, repent, Repent, Negligent, repent, Repent, Liar, repent, Repent, Thief, repent, Repent, Baby Killer, repent, Repent, Genocider, repent! Okai, stop the bus, how can you say all that? Lets have a look: Motlanthe is Ignorant that the Failed Communist Countries like the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, employed Central Control Economies ( CCE ), with full and total nationalization. Motlanthe - as the head of an organization, it is his duty to be fully informed of the economic history of total disasters of CCE. He does not know that Gorbachov announced reforms away from nationalization – in the early 1980’s! He is a Liar, because these are not his ideas, these ideas have been around for over 100 years. Thief, he has allowed the ANC to steal the PEOPLES money – that is how bribery and corruption works. Baby Killer, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 800 000 black babies in government hospitals! Genocider, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 5 Million Aids sufferers which were refused medication. Repent, Manpara, Repent!

  • Marius Koen - 2011-12-17 22:31

    To deal with this problem of "cadres feathering their own nests”, Motlanthe said he wanted party branches to prioritise discipline and political education. Good luck with that. Discipline starts at the top, so lets start with our president and that bunch of thieves we call "ministers".

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-18 09:14

      Margie, I truly believe that they don't actually know what they believe in. If it suits them on the day, thats what they believe. The next day they've forgotten about the previous day and believe in something else. Certainly consistent in their belief that governing a country is mostly about using the power they have to enrich themselves.

  • Enlightened - 2011-12-17 22:34

    Sargon. With all due respect.How old are you,12?

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-17 22:46

      @Enlightened. It's not a case of being naive. What else do we have tonight to bring us hope? Get our black voters to vote for Mrs. Zille? However good her policies are, she is white and that won't help her get the vote of our people. We are grabbing at lifelines here. We are almost drowned.

      Herman - 2011-12-17 23:11

      Sorry Ibhubesi, the anc has already drowned SA, grabbing at lifelines is just to late. The rot in the anc has gone to its core and its leaders, there is no way they can stop this. We need true realistic and honest leaders and sorry the anc regime has proven they do not possess this.

      Jerhone - 2011-12-18 07:34

      to Ibhubesi you really are racist,what has white or black got to do with leadership to ibhubesi its no wonder this country is in the sh*tter so you are telling us that whites are stupid and can't run a country wake up you've had SEVENTEEN years of BLACK rule and you're sinking deeper into the sh*t give the D.A.a chance then kick them out if they don't perform in five years, you're trying to tell us that as a citizen whites can never ever rule in SA again? look across at the USA did you ever expect a black man to rule there

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 08:01

      @Jerhone. If you graduated school in 1973 you wouldn't understand the problems we as the youth face. You had far better schooling than my mother and father did. The only way we could survive was if my mother worked for R200 in a white man's house. There is a vast difference between your realities growing up in the 60's and my toddler years under your Apartheid rule. As for Obama. It was window dressing all the way. Everything in America is show biz, including politics. Hilary Clinton would have made a far better President than Obama. But she didn't have the right tools to go to the men's room. If you don't know the psychology of an American, please don't compare their political landscape with ours.

      pws69 - 2011-12-18 08:19

      @Jerhone, calm down, what Ibhubesi says is correct. Even Helen has publicly identified that. I am a DA branch member, and I have spent a lot of time campaigning for the party I believe in, but the fact remains that most blacks do not see the DA as a party that vociferously fought against apartheid, but one that has lots of white voters and members, the same people who "benefitted" from apartheid. The ANC use this time and again to try to demonise the DA, quite often successfully. When the DA started making massive inroads into the black voting base, the terms "garden boy" and "tea lady" suddenly appeared - from the ANC and its corrupt and useless cadres. We cannot change history, but we can change the future. Empty ANC rhetoric is being seen for what it is. More and more Blacks are seeing through the ANC charade and joining the DA in their droves. By 2019 we will have a DA government. We just need to hold on until then. The DA Future Leaders program is starting to pay handsome dividends. The support base has grown because of integrity and competence, not empty rhetoric and promises. After that has happened, our people will realise that it is the substance of the person that is important, not just their race. Some wounds take a long time to heal.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 08:34

      @pws. Thank you. Now here is a man that understands the dynamics of our political landscape and further more as he says, the Western Cape is a living example that the DA can do a lot more than talk! Patricia De Lille should be leading the DA. Mrs. Zille should be relaxed in her garden and giving orders from behind the scenes if we are going to get anywhere.

      Thandiwe - 2011-12-18 15:49

      I for one want a competent government and couldn't give a damm whether it is lead by a black or white person. My mother is a (black) domestic worker who sent me to a school where black and white kids went and although there will always be some who are mentally challenged and feel that the race card is an issue, most of us understand that this is about economic justice, about having a government that makes us all prosper through good, sound and open governance since that is the ONLY way of levelling the injustices and the ANC is so NOT the government to do that since they are a bunch of immature thugs with the morals of sewer rats!!!

      Ian - 2011-12-19 14:09

      pws69 & ibhubes - hear hear!!

  • spartanx93 - 2011-12-17 22:42

    no sh*t sherlock!

  • Call_Of_Muti_3 - 2011-12-17 22:43

    Convert the cadres to cadavers, and this country will start coming right.

      peterjohnjnb - 2011-12-18 08:56


  • Chris - 2011-12-17 22:44

    Captain Obvious has arrived!

  • Motho - 2011-12-17 22:59

    I've heard this many times, what is new?

  • Jim - 2011-12-17 23:05

    The ANC always lacked depth with respect to political competence, discipline and integrity. Over the last 14 or so years the uper crust has been lost......what remains is, as Mangosuthu Buthelezi once said on another topic "to Ghastly To Contemplate" leeches on South African taxpayers and society.....

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 10:13

      @Jim. I would rather not quote Mangosuthu Buthelezi because there is another Mugabe that will hold onto power at all costs. He might make the right noises now, but it would have been a very different tune had he held the power.

      Johan - 2011-12-18 18:18

      @Ibhubesi. Me thinks you've got that one spot on boet.

  • kosmonooit - 2011-12-17 23:40

    Perhaps then the ANC should then give more careful thought to whom they deploy and put in importance positions in public service. Dare I mention Merit, Experience, Education, Track Record?

  • Shoe - 2011-12-17 23:41

    If only even 2% of what Montlanthe said was true, or could be realized.

  • kevin.rack - 2011-12-17 23:47

    This is not an issue of race but one of culture. Our culture as South African voters and accountability. Politicians by default are crooks world wide(look at Bush) but its up to us and our vote to keep them accountable. If the ANC know that they will be around till Jesus comes and will not be voted out due to our lack of accountability then take take take. Really why try? Its when we have competition that we tend to perform but when we know we dont have to try to hard we dont. This is human nature. Every revolution is followed by a second revolution when voters eventually have enough and make the change they want in thier lives. The time for change is now. Because if we dont want to follow the same patterns of other southern african post revolutionary countries, like Zimbobwe, we need to hold our leaders accountable. As soon as they step out of line they must get voted out. This idea of ruling till Jesus comes is arrogant and a slap in the face of all south africans. Its like aprathied been rolled out again but in a new form. Protect the super rich who really run the country. Time fo change is now.

      Saksak Motsepe - 2011-12-17 23:56

      yay another white South African who debates real issues and not black bashing. I agree with you Kevin. Maybe if white South Africans stopped bashing black South Africans we would agree most of the time on many common issues

      Steward - 2011-12-18 01:18

      Would help if black people stop taking it personally when someone criticizes the ANC. The ANC is a political party. One that may have helped with reform in this country, but a party they remain. They are not a race. They are not a religion. You owe them nothing. Anything they may have accomplished is only through your support. This "Its our turn now" attitude needs to stop. Supporting a criminal because he is black is no way to think. You will only end up getting robbed yourself before the day is done.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 02:07

      I agree with all three of you BUT... Our fundamental problem in this country, rightly or wrongly, is still a racial issue. 17 years have not been enough to make people forget Apartheid. Don't blast me with comments about how people need to get over it, because they are not over it. It is holding back an entire nation from economic development. Why? Because we need a healthy democracy with a larger opposition. That opposition will unfortunately have to be lead by a black man because our voters are afraid of voting for Apartheid again. However silly this might sound to all the clever people on here, it is a reality out there in the townships. I say a black man because that just fits our cultural conditioning. All of this women rights are cool and gays getting married, but that isn't what makes the voters vote for a particular party. All I read about is the opposition parties slaying the ANC. There isn't a strong black party that represents the views of those that want to move past of this nationalisation drivel. I'm not a mine worker, and I don't know if you are, so a nationalised mine is not going to put food on my table. If the banks are nationalised our currency will be worthless. So our solution lies in a new black party that can challenge the ANC, not necessarily take them out of power, but get them to shape up. The corruption is out of control and the country's tax money should be developing the country and not enriching a few politicians.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 02:14

      The tender process need urgent attention. That is where the tax money is just washing down a deep black hole. Every supply tender needs to be looked at and products supplied need to be South African products. We shouldn't allow local tenders supplying imported Chinese goods. We need to manufacture our own goods so we create jobs. Our labour market needs to become competitive. We can solve our problems, but we need to take urgent action. I don't care who governs us, as long as we start helping ourselves and unlike Mugabe that spends his life raging on about Imperialists, we need to move past that counter productive propaganda and start working.

      John - 2011-12-18 04:04

      I agree with all of you who have commented on Kevin's post, However Ibhubesi, starting another party led by a "responsible black man" is a double edged sword. If the blacks won't vote for a white led government because of the fear of returning to apartheid(absurd that will never happen, I think most whites realize that was a failure of huge proportions), the whites also fear just installing another possibly corrupter mob. What needs to be done here is getting the people to realize that nothing has been done for them in 17 years(empty promises) and we as the citizens of our great country must put away all this backward and forward slagging and work towards getting rid of this corrupt hierarchy.

      Squeegee - 2011-12-18 06:59

      The problem is one of legacy. The ANC is like a rich parent with spoiled uncontrolable children. Leaving an estate to boastful, self indulgent brats is never a good idea - they are wasteful and never worked for what they have. The ANCYL and some others in leadership have a sense of entitlement, a snobbish attitude of "you owe me". What we need is a leadership that leads by example, building into its youth the values needed for future governance. Honesty, integrity and hard word are called for. So, stop making speaches and lets see some service delivery. Give us less rhetoric and deal with corrupt parlimentarians; start by making MPs actually attend sessions. Take away their blue lights and let them obey the law. Stop riding on the backs of those who went before you and actually do something yourselves.

      Jerhone - 2011-12-18 07:48

      to Ibhubesi again with the black man must lead, what about the coloured and indian,you with your blacks are scared apartheit might come back is bullsh*t, does the constitution not garantee that can never happen again,every citizen that is born in this land should have the right to lead this country

      pws69 - 2011-12-18 08:22

      @Saksak, then ANC have been VERY effective in promoting the idea that an attack on the ANC is an attack on all blacks. Do not underestimate the ANC in this regard. They learnt well from their APartheid bedfellows, the NP, and their Communist masters in people control through subtle brainwashing.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 08:27

      @Jerhone. Sir, please understand that from your privileged career years during Apartheid, you can never understand the deep seated resentment my people have that are of your generation. I was born when the Nationalists were shooting my people with bullets and barricading the streets with barbedwire. In a previous post I told you that your understanding of my people is shallow. You need to ask yourself where did you place your x when you did so during 1973 and 1994. If the answer is for the Nationalists, then your government has failed as bad as mine is failing now. Is it going to help you and I to sling mud at each other? No. It would be far more productive if you spend your hours teaching a few black kids all your knowledge. It will take a few generations for black people to accept a white President again. If the demeaning comments from white people on here are any indication of the general attitude of whites against blacks, then we have not reached any point of reconciliation yet. Not all whites are as nasty as some of these people on here and I owe every bit of knowledge I have today thanks to 2 white men that had a very different attitude to yours. I thank them because they saw past my black skin and acknowledged my talents.

      Odicito - 2011-12-18 09:15

      Interesting discussion. The problem with people like Jerhome is that they have a mindset like an old time conservationist who would scream and jump at people 'destroying' nature without looking at the current circumstances, no matter how ‘wrong’. By not acknowledging that there is a NOW (which is in a bad state) and FUTURE (which could be in a desirable state if efforts are channelled correctly), we are wasting the transitional window period which can and should be used to implement measures to get there. The reality my dear countryman is that (whether justified or not, and whether we agree or not)people out there are NOT ready to give up their emotional attachment to the anc. I know this because I see and hear it every day. Its all nice and clever to sit here and call people idiots and whatever else you want to, but that wont get us anywhere as a country. Frustrations aside, lets try to be objective with our approach. If a few people willing to oppose and challenge the government approach CANNOT even agree, how the 'frack' are we even going to try and move forward?

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-18 09:23

      jerhone, I think you're missing Ibhubesi's point. What he is pointing out is a current reality, that really should not surprise us Mlungu's. Things need more time to change, the reality is that if a party wants to rule this country in the near future it MUST have a black leader, no escaping that fact.

      Donaker - 2011-12-18 10:14

      Great discussion, without black/white bashing. I just want to add that in '92 a great majority of whites voted to have apartheid done away with in the referendum (including myself). Knowing that this would lead to a black government through majority vote. Because it was the right thing to do. Why then would a white party revert to apartheid again?

      Ian - 2011-12-19 14:26

      @ibhubesi - and to everyone commenting on what ibhusi has said, i think we can all agree that DA is the only viable option to vote for, at the moment. however, i tend to agree that a new party is needed, a new party that is not associated in ANY way with apartheid - or any of the consequences thereof. And that in and of itself is a very difficult dream/ideal. in anycase that's probably a point for a later debate and will require many months of planning and hard work to pull of successfully. The main point i want to raise is this: ibhubesi, why do you not support the ANC? <- reading your comments i feel it is because you are open minded, educated, and eager to improve yourself and your environment. Now, what is the biggest difference between you and the majority of the followers of the ANC?<- i'd say education. What has been one of the biggest failures of the current government?<- providing a decent education to all. Only once our levels of education has risen sufficiently will we see proper and good change. However, as you have rightly said, ANC support is slowly and steadily dwindling. i am hopeful for the long term future of our Country, but only if by some miracle we can survive the immediate and short term danger to our democracy that is being fuelled by corruption and mismanagement across the governance of South Africa.And i for one will work hard to maintain the ideals of our Democracy in all my endeavours. Lets hope we can ALL do just that, politicians included

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2011-12-17 23:47

    I have an unoriginal idea: lets give DA a chance to lead the country so we can see how well/bad they do

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 01:40

      Over mr showers dead n decaying body.

      Ali - 2011-12-18 03:01

      To many corrupt leaders there also.

      John - 2011-12-18 04:13

      @Saksak, great idea, however I don't think that is going to happen for the simple reason as Ibhubesi pointed out. I reiterate my earlier statement of us opposition thinkers, to stop arguing amongst ourselves. All we are doing is feeding the hotheads who will dogmatically follow the present rulers. Educate everyone around you to look closely at the non performance of the curse of ANC.

      Michael - 2011-12-18 05:12

      @ali, for every Corrupt DA leader you can point out, i will give you 10 ANC thugs. Lets play this game. I challenge you, give us names, and what they have done.

      pws69 - 2011-12-18 08:27

      @Ali, I'm with Michael. Name the corrupt DA leaders. Every political party in the world has corrupt people at some stage. It is HOW you deal with it that is important. I'll give you a hint. Only ONE corrupt MP was fired over travelgate. Which party did they belong to? Mmmm. Over R30 MILLION in TAXPAYERS money was used to pay of the travelgate debt to prevent prosecution of their MPs. Which party did this? Mmmm. Don't you feel really stupid now? Or do you just want to change the one foot in your mouth with the other one. I can't wait for your response.

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 09:26

      @pws69, with or without michael, the problem with the da is that they are buzzy doing nothing other than to sniff at the anc footprints, digging n eating the rubbish there hoping they will get fat on votes, on the other foot, the anc is sooo hard on delivery n corruption, oblivious of the da, thats why u hear nothing abt the da, hearing nothing abt smthng doeznt mean its not there.

      pws69 - 2011-12-18 09:50

      @Mpho,the ANC is hard on corruption, like using R30 million of TAXPAYERS money to prevent prosecution of their comrades, like "forgiving" the debt of 45,000 ANC members (approved by all nine ANC provincial premiers at the time), like refusing to prosecute Fana Hlgonwane who funnelled almost R2 billion of bribes by BAE to the ANC (BAE ADMITTED TO THIS IN A COURT OF LAW), like redeploying corrupt comrades to different departments, whilst the previous department refuses to prosecute on the grounds that it is "economically inefficient" to prosecute). My 6 year old would be more successful at rooting out corruption than the ANC. What we have seen is people like Yengeni, Booi, CONVICTED of corruption being PROMOTED. Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

      Wes - 2011-12-18 10:16

      1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Thumbs up for that unoriginal idea. Are you allowed to say it.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 10:29

      @pws. You have to add to all of these issues that the corruption started in 1994. I don't care if the planet has now elevated Nelson Mandela to a Saint, he assisted the arms deal with some of the R1 Billion bribe money being funnelled to his own charity and that of his Mozambiquen wife. The burning question is who got what slice of the Billion Rand tax payers money. All of this leaves me wondering if the ANC did in fact come and free me, or was it a smoke screen to come steal my tax money!

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 12:44

      Hey! Pws69, be careful buddy, that is state secret info. With the new law, u can spend the next 25 years of your life behind bars, n i hear theres no parole for that, u can get sick 4 all u want, they have a zero tolarance 4 offenders the likes of you, ul miss your pc man, pls be warned, we like u here.

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 12:44

      Hey! Pws69, be careful buddy, that is state secret info. With the new law, u can spend the next 25 years of your life behind bars, n i hear theres no parole for that, u can get sick 4 all u want, they have a zero tolarance 4 offenders the likes of you, ul miss your pc man, pls be warned, we like u here.

      Thandiwe - 2011-12-18 16:07

      Why Mpho, think it through for goodness sake, look at the party's recent track record and their work in the Cape and recent promises of open government, especially regarding government tenders which we will all follow very closely, and once in government hammer them for a more social approach or whatever, but what is the worst that could happen? Do you really think they will revert to some kind of apartheid system, why on earth would they want to do that? Firstly there is a growing number of black 'position holders' in the DA, so if Zille lost her marbles tomorrow and got up and said she wants to revert back to an apartheid state or anything in that line of thinking, how much chance would she have? Secondly, who could possibly benefit from an apartheid system considering its dismal historic failings. We are a growing black middle class with an education and money, why would anyone not want to tap into that. We actually don't have the LUXURY of choosing a party based on race anymore, we need people with competence and integrity and there don't seem to be that many around, so I'll take the one that's available, to hell with his or her colour!

      pws69 - 2011-12-18 17:17

      @Mpho, What law? the one the ANC are TRYING to hammer through? The one that the Constitutional Court is going to bury? Hahahaahahahahahaa. I'm shaking in my boots. ROTFLMAO. P.S. you're starting to get hysterical. Are the FACTS worrying you? Maybe you are one of these ANC "beneficiaries"?

      pws69 - 2011-12-18 17:19

      Thank you Thandiwe. BTW, DA GP North (Pretoria/Tswane and surrounds) just had their elective conference. A black guys was voted in a leader. If the DA really wanted to bring apartheid back they are doing a crappy job of it, electing black leaders. :-)

  • Mboneni - 2011-12-18 00:05

    Motlanthe is a permanent fence sitter who also took part in the iraq oil for food corruption scandal so every body is corrupt in the organisation except madiba

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 01:38

      Hhawu! Realy? Where do u get all this? Welcome info bill, wonder where ul get these rumours again.

      Michael - 2011-12-18 05:14

      @mpho, if you got out of your cave for two minutes, you would see what mboneni has seen

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 08:54

      @michael, buddy, ive been out of the cave 4 the past 17 years and ive seen nothing that mboneni is seeing, maybe u two need to come out of your cages n c what i c.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-18 09:26

      Shame Mpho, you got a brail keyboard then? Harsh disability blindness.

      wo0two0t - 2011-12-19 13:22

      Mpho - you wouldn't even see it if it hit slap bam in the middle of your face.

  • Mantsho - 2011-12-18 01:24

    Now he sound axactly like Mr Shower speaking like opposition party rather than the rulling party.

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 01:30

      Who is mr shower? Is he perhaps a replacement 4 da racist helenzo zero? Good riddance, bigup da, uve finaly seen the light, maybe mr shower wil put more women in his cabinet.

      Mantsho - 2011-12-18 02:05

      l am talking about Zuma here ! open ur eyes !

      George - 2011-12-18 07:05

      It seems he is deaf in both eyes

      Jerhone - 2011-12-18 07:53

      to Mpho the walking dead old showerhead the goatboy won't put more women in his cabinet he will put them in his bed

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 08:35

      Hey! 4give me, i just came back 2 sa, bengse china, oh u now call the honourable mr president mr shower? Then what do u call her ladyship zille? Or names are just given only to black leaders. If u dont have any for her highness, doorless will be much befitting 4 her.

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 08:36

      Hey! 4give me, i just came back 2 sa, bengse china, oh u now call the honourable mr president mr shower? Then what do u call her ladyship zille? Or names are just given only to black leaders. If u dont have any for her highness, doorless will be much befitting 4 her.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 08:38

      @Jerhone. This is the kind of comment that makes another black man hate you. I understand how threatened you feel and can take this insult, but others will hate you even more.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-18 09:28

      Could the Chinese understand that funny lingo you use Mpho?

      Tony - 2011-12-18 17:27

      @Mpho - R u rting like dis bcorse u cant spel r jus cause you r an rrr?

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-12-18 04:58

    Said the rich man to the poor .

  • Max - 2011-12-18 04:58

    The most interesting part is "stil hope to love the people of South Africa". These words tell me that they see themselves as an entity above the avarage South African and secondly that they are not currently loving the avarage South African. How can the voters be so blind as not to see that the ANC is not in the political game for the sake of the people but for their own gain?

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 08:07

      U can say that again, that is if u have the time. You are so true.

  • Ian - 2011-12-18 05:51

    lol ha ha ha, wow have you finally noticed, why dont you start with fat boy and move up to your entire cabinet

  • Mart - 2011-12-18 06:14

    Motlanthe is again failing to make excuses for the ANC mutants who are the reason that their organisation is terminal. They the ANC 'cadres' are daily placing the tenuous peace we enjoy at risk. (believe it or not I mispelt cadres which read 'cafres' until I corrected it.....perhaps the are on the whole 'unbelievers' of the future for this country)

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 08:02

      Mart, you are an unreconciable imbecile u knw.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-18 09:26

      @Mart. You can't come on to a forum like this when your Facebook page states your place of employment and then make demeaning statements as you have just done. Logic should tell you that your corporation could loose a lot of business. But then it wasn't your capital that created the corporation you work for is it? You are in fact no better than any ANC supporter supporting the corruption going on. Same thing, different skin.

      Heiku - 2011-12-19 17:25


  • Larry - 2011-12-18 06:57

    What a revelation.

  • Thabang - 2011-12-18 07:08

    Results of the vote,confirming Dr Joe Phaahla and the new leadership are expected on Sunday morning.That's all i can say, before the celebrations.

  • Jerhone - 2011-12-18 07:17

    it's too late for your bullsh*t rhetoric, the masses are screaming at your door, it's time for you and goatboy to to get in your fancy plane and move in with Bob the destroyer, don't forget to take your extended parasite family with you, you can tie all the chickens to the roof of the plane

  • Kevin - 2011-12-18 07:27

    Uhhh...this is news....? How come..? The ANC have BEEn enriching themselves ever since they attempted unsuccessfully to evolve from a terrorist militia to a body capable of managing a country successfully...expect more of the same for a long time to come...thees ees Ufreeka..!

  • Traygon - 2011-12-18 07:50

    "Some" ?? more like "Most"...

  • pws69 - 2011-12-18 08:06

    Then: "I did not join the struggle to be poor" Smuts Ngonyama. Now: "The ANC is struggling to develop "cadres" who put the interests of the people first, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said on Saturday." The writing was on the wall then, and you ignored it. When the ANC caught 45,000 deployed cadres illegally getting grants, all nine ANC Provincial Premiers at the time decided to keep it quiet, not prosecute anyone or even fire them, and allowed them to pay back the money interest free - SUPPORTING CRIME! Then we had Frene Ginwala using TAXPAYER money to pay the Travelgate debt to ensure corrupt and thieving ANC cadres did not get prosecuted. Are you now really surprised we have reached this juncture? YOU, the ANC, created the situation afterall.

  • Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-18 08:28

    I wish them luck but I fear this is a culture endemic to Africans when they attain positions of power. Sure, happens in Europe, Asia etc, but it is the scale of corruption here that is so scary. Like a pandemic of greed and self interest.

  • Zion - 2011-12-18 08:48

    When reading the article there is an impression that Motlanthe does not realise the depth of the problems facing the country due to that very same lack of a deeper understanding. It is also apparent that he is not including the entire populace but rather the chosen ones in the ANC. The article opens with "Some members enriching themselves". It seems to imply that very few members are responsible for the acts of corruption and graft whereas the majority are of the opinion that most of the ANC is corrupt. All in all this is a very nice and positive story but with no credibility.

  • peterjohnjnb - 2011-12-18 08:49

    what we have here, is basically the deputy president admitting that his organisation is corrupt - to the teeth! So why do our esteemed citizens insist on voting this defunct institution into power???? The answer is more simple then you may think: The fact that a large portion of the ANC supporters are still (to this day and on THEIR watch) largely uneducated, is not lost on them - the use, abuse and manipulate their own people to achieve their political ends - disgusting! Where oh where are the days of Sisulu, Tambo and Mandela???

  • Tc - 2011-12-18 09:26

    Mr Mothlante, not only "some" of the members are enriching themserlves. It is more correct to say that "most", if not "all" of the ANC leadership ar on a looting mission. The "whole" of the ANC has gone rotten-rotten.

  • Ianm - 2011-12-18 09:45

    Idiot. Catch a wake up. Absolute rubbish to act so surprised

  • Robin - 2011-12-18 10:41

    Wow! And it's taken this long to realise that?

  • Silvana - 2011-12-18 10:54

    Is it my imagination, or is Motlanthe has become very vocal. Must be part of the plan to oust Zuma. Anyway it's still a load of eyewash!

      Piliso Songelwa - 2011-12-18 12:06

      Tell what do u think he must do or say?

      Mpho Ndlovu - 2011-12-18 12:12

      It might be your imagination doing it again on u

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2011-12-18 13:16

    Why do say some while you are just part of this expedition. Listening to the utterances of ANC leaders is like watching a 'merry go round'. These people have been pointing fingers at each other since 1994. If you can see that there is corruption and self-enrichment, why don't find a solution on these activities. All these activities are not witchcraft, they can scientifically proven and can be solved by harsh penal measures. Everyone knows that there corruption and possible mesuares are obvious but ANC led government still has the final say.

      Steward - 2011-12-18 22:17

      The only problem with sorting out corruption is that what goes for one, goes for all. They probably all have dirt on each other and its more like a you burn me, I burn you situation. With proper rules and structures in place and good leadership you can avoid all of this, but then that would mean someone would have to make tough decisions.

  • John - 2011-12-18 14:24

    someone just woke up !!!!!!

  • Comrade - 2011-12-18 14:30


  • TawwaTienie - 2011-12-18 15:12

    Only some?

  • Walter - 2011-12-18 16:46

    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're kidding Kgalema. Now name them - the "some" - always no names. Sorry, I know the names - the 3rd force...!!!!! Not your comrades in Government mos ne

  • Tony - 2011-12-18 17:23

    Haha - Gotta laugh at African politics. KM states the obvious but doesnt want to upset anyone... Malema standing next to him and guilty of everything KM has just discussed (enrichment, vote in factions or slates as he calls 'em), - But Motlante is too scared to do anything - just like Zuma, just like Mbeki..... These dudes belong in a shebeen where they talk horse poo all day long! And on Tueday the shabeen brawl will break out when Showerkop appears - Ja ja - met eish ja met eish.

  • dave.j.colquhoun - 2011-12-19 07:16

    When I was growing up, I was taught that you can never repair a piece of wood that had rotted and that the only way to fix the problem was to replace the rotted piece in full. Unfortunately, Motlanthe doesn't have the means, the will or the necessary skills to do anything more than talk about the rot in his own organisation. A lot of wasted populist hot air in an attempt to sound credible so that he can get a better position to loot the national treasury for himself. If the people of South Africa weren't so uneducated, then they would understand that the ANC doesn't give a dam about thenm and that the Cadres that their leaders deploy are only being deployed to ensure that those at the top are able to steal from the citizens without any hinderance. We really need a drastic change here. "Bring me my machine gun"

  • Errol - 2011-12-19 07:18

    Some???You all are ANC!!!!!!

  • Pieter - 2011-12-19 10:00

    Yes kadahs, open ioah books on page 1. Now tehn the books upside down, ioah a holding it wrong way up kadahs. Now read... Ethics 101 foh ioyoungstahs. One: Steal until iouah get caught. Deny. Deny. Deny. Remembah, iouah innocent until proven guilty. Two: Spend. Spend. Spend. There is only today ne? Nobody has proved that tommorow she will be there and because why, the whites they get their monies from that ATM machine. Three: Do not lie unless ioah have to, only when it is very necessary fo sho. Foh: Always look good because why, if they cannot believe you at least ioah can look good. If you can, where a hat. Fiv: Don't believe doze jahdzjas, ioah know, doze guys big chiefs in court. Seexi: Alway ama she-she de spoils. Nevah jas take everything. Let the spirit of Ubunthu drive you to ama she-she what you have taken. Because why, it is fair. Se-ven: If evah you can like to know which is right and which is wrong, go foh da right, because left-wing, she's not nice. If you can leave da left wing and da right wing, ioah can have de whole chickan. Sho. eythi: If you don't like it behn eat. Da fayah eat will behn de books and da schools. Naaini: If you hate eat, kill eat. If it wehks foh Africa, eat wheel wehk foh us two! Ten: If you can do these things baht you can still be impohtant foh da cadahs, ioah can be saccesessfal. Ioah ah now educated in ANC politics and basic ethics. Remembah chidren of dah soil, take what is ioahs and ama she-she between ahs. We demand quality joubs.

  • hrkruger - 2011-12-19 11:27

    "Most of the challenges facing the organisation stem from the rapid growth of the organisation", on what planet? The ANC is faced with a steady decline in support with every election!

  • sb.prins1 - 2011-12-19 16:29

    Motlanthe is saying all of this in Limpopo, where the corrupt ANC leadership over spent by R1.5 billion and was put undre administration. People of Limpopo have been complianing about these tenderpreneurs but he got voted in yet again, by a small margin, Malema go voted in but we was suspended form the ANC, does this all make sense, I think not. LIMPOPO is so corrupt and Motlanthe saying this there will just make him get enemies, especilally since they wanted him to go against Zuma, I think their will be some hectic things happening, that will be rather good for other political parties, votes anyone, sarcastically :)

  • - 2011-12-19 22:50

    Why do the "cadres" have to be developed? Surely it should be their passion to serve their people, their communities!

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