Students vocal at ANCYL dialogue

2012-06-21 19:49

Pretoria - Students attending an ANC Youth League dialogue at the University of SA (Unisa) openly voiced their opinion on Thursday.

Final year political student Maryna Laas said when she heard the ANCYL talk she felt excluded because she was "white and Afrikaans".

Yet she was passionate about South Africa and wanted to assist in making a change.

She said she did not believe that taking land without compensation would even solve half of the country's problems.

Participation in economy

This was after ANCYL deputy president Ronald Lamola, during a political overview, said young black South Africans were not being allowed to participate in the economy.

He said maximum participation in the economy was class-based and race-based.

"It only allows a particular class to participate in the mainstream economy," he said.

Lamola said it was because of this that Section 25 of the Constitution, which relates to property ownership, needed to be amended.

He said whites were still living a "Hollywood" lifestyle while the majority of blacks were relying on social grants.

Laas said the only way to solve the country's problem was to educate the poor.

"There is a lack of skills... Government needs to put all the money into education," she said.

Bursaries needed to be given to anyone who wanted to study further after school.

Another student agreed with Laas.

Hate and bitterness

"There is no use giving hand-outs; take people to school and educate them," she said.

"We can't be angry... there is so much hate and bitterness."

She asked the ANCYL what would happen after the land was taken.

"How do we know people will benefit?" she asked.

She said she felt that only those spear-heading the campaign for land would benefit.

There were a number of students who disagreed, saying there was corporate greed and only the white minority were benefiting from the economy.

A student said she felt South Africans were "puppets because of corruption".

"Everything is blamed on apartheid... it's been 18 years."

She said the country needed to move on from this.

Earlier, Lamola said nothing had changed since 1994, the first time a government was elected democratically in South Africa.

"We need to break the apartheid economy we received in 1994."

- Were you there? Send us your accounts.

  • blaauw3 - 2012-06-21 19:59

    The fact that nothing could be done in 18 years to bring about economic reform in SA testifies of the inability of the ruling party to bring about the change we need. Vote DA!

  • gerry.pelser - 2012-06-21 20:00

    "Ho hum, the tune is dumb, the words don't mean a thing. Isn't this a silly song for antyone to sing" So, who is going to be the next bafana coach?

  • blaauw3 - 2012-06-21 20:01

    Give a man a bread and he will go without hunger for one day, show him how to bake a bread and he will go without hunger forever...

      Squeegee - 2012-06-21 20:29

      Why steal bread when you can steal cake?

  • Sagin - 2012-06-21 20:07

    The hating and blaming must stop' The opressed are becoming the opressors. Just like the afrikaaners were opressed and suffered for 40 years under british oprression. They then became the oprresors. Now blackpeople want their turn. Who will break the cycle? White people learned lessons from the past and would never allow ourselves to regress. Can our country take another Period of repression? What will south africa look like on the other side?

  • Zahir - 2012-06-21 20:09

    ANCYL message is you can get everything for free without working this appeals to the uneducated and youth who believe this

      Hadebe - 2012-06-21 21:53

      Just wait n c, your uncles who fled zimbabwe didnt believe it either but they do now, ul believe it too, soon enough.

  • christel.ritchie - 2012-06-21 20:10

    Since when do we listen to students ?.They are just going through rebellious growing pains.

      blaauw3 - 2012-06-21 20:26

      Havent you and the elderly in this country done enough to SCREW things up for the youth... time to step aside and let us take our own course.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-21 20:41

      In a country like ours, students make much better sense than the fossils. For e.g, compare the party students generally support (the DA) to the fossils' PAC/AWB etc

  • Stephan Swanepoel - 2012-06-21 20:26

    Youth Leagues (children) should be seen and not heard! You can't let people who can not even piss foam yet call the shots? He who pays the piper (tax payer) calls the tune. They are out of control... we need the Nanny!

  • Dewit Hoffmann - 2012-06-21 20:33

    ANCYL wants war, while the DA is finding civilized ways to address unemployment. Vote DA!!

  • Hennie De Jager - 2012-06-21 20:40


  • Hennie De Jager - 2012-06-21 20:43

    dewit that the only way the kids sorry ancyl know how to get sum take

  • Hennie De Jager - 2012-06-21 20:47

    joe the 16 must be your age hey

  • Dewald Britz - 2012-06-21 20:49

    Strange how everybody wants a farm / land, but they fail to even plant a single plant or tree next to their RDP house.

      Michael Savage - 2012-06-21 20:52

      Only to sell it mate.

      thabela.phathutshedzo - 2012-06-21 21:04

      I think u should take a tour 2 vendaland, it will help u 2 scrape your illusion about blacks in farming

      thabela.phathutshedzo - 2012-06-21 21:05

      I think u should take a tour 2 vendaland, it will help u 2 scrape your illusion about blacks in farming

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-21 21:16

      We gave our gardener two orange trees to plant three years ago It started to bare fruit this year but even before it got ripe some one stole his oranges. I feel for the people who try but suffer like everybody under crime.

  • Billy - 2012-06-21 20:50

    "It only allows a particular class to participate in the mainstream economy," he said. that is correct its called "The Working Class"

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-21 21:38

      Exactly Billy. They don't realise yet that to have a house and car you need money. And to get money you need a job. To get a good well paid job you need a good education on the one hand but also the economy needs to be sound! But they will nationalise and take the land and in a few years they will didn't work.

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-21 20:55

    These idiot ANCL tsotsis are all stupid tsotsis !!! Down with the idiot tsotsis. Throw them in jail !!!

  • schewitz - 2012-06-21 20:59

    The most successful economies in the world have strong property rights. The weakest economies in the world have weak property rights and war.

      Michael Savage - 2012-06-21 21:22

      Seems pretty obvious to me.

  • etienne.gerber.3 - 2012-06-21 21:22

    Lamola you want to break the economy and replace it with what? If you can put something better in place that will benefit ALL, I say go for it. But from what I see you suggesting no one will benefit. So sorry, I cannot support you! Besides your ideas are anti-Capitalist and I am the eternal Capitalist!

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-06-21 21:24

    \We need to break the apartheid economy we received in 1994.\ Well stop the misappropiating of funds and stealing, meant to help the people, the ANC has been doing for the last 18 years.....

  • Hermann - 2012-06-21 21:27

    I agree with Lamola's sentiments :" "We need to break the apartheid economy we received in 1994." And how do you break it Lamola? Get off your backside and start working.

  • sello.mapeka - 2012-06-21 21:36

    We must stop blaming apartheid because it was replaced by corruption.

      Kagiso Spat Truthtell - 2012-06-21 21:43

      apartheid created the problem...en it was here for 100years...en u expect the Anc to do a miracle in jst 18yrs??? Come on my fellow African brother....our ppl whr removed from arable land, from cities en put in concentration camps called townships...all we own is small yards thats all. The whites messed up dis country en now they blame the Anc which only got 18yrs in gov

      sello.mapeka - 2012-06-21 21:54

      I agree with u my brother, apartheid damaged our country but corruption is severely damaging it, actually destroying this btful country.

      craig.hartmann.1 - 2012-06-21 22:16

      The ignorance you show is rather sad, this country was capable of financially sustaining itself during the apartied regiem, the infrustructure was there to begin with and was not utilized properly!! They way to make a difference is to stop our leaders lining their own pockets with the states money and actually try and make a difference in the average south Africans life. It's time to stop pointing fingers and for all us to try make a difference or we will lead down a dangerous slope where no one has money except our goverment officsls of course I mean how else are they going to support all their wives and their lifestyles.

      emile.marais - 2012-06-22 12:18

      Kagiso, you didn't have a choice during Apartheid. But people post '94 chose to become corrupt. If corruption was present before 1994, why choose to perpetuate it after a democratic transition?

  • Sidney Olifant - 2012-06-21 21:39

    always white against black nee man that girl gave u the solution and its education the ANC cant even run local municipalities or hand out learning material what will happen to mines and farms lets educate ourselfs first and stop living on grants and blame the white man for it

  • Michael Savage - 2012-06-21 21:41

    @thabela I want nothing more than for blacks to be successful at farming, and business in general for that matter; it would be fantastic for the country as a whole if this was widespread. But strong committed leadership is needed to achieve this, which is what most whites feel is lacking in the current government. The road to success is long and hard and the proposed short cuts (nationalization etc) only serve to distract from the tough task at hand, making the road even longer.

  • thabela.phathutshedzo - 2012-06-21 21:42

    I reprimand the expropriation of farms but i also hate the oppressive illusion amongst whites who regard us as we're incompetent in farming. I would like to scrape their oppressive attitude by reffering them to Vendaland where everyone has a stand full of fruittrees. ktl

  • thabela.phathutshedzo - 2012-06-21 21:42

    I reprimand the expropriation of farms but i also hate the oppressive illusion amongst whites who regard us as we're incompetent in farming. I would like to scrape their oppressive attitude by reffering them to Vendaland where everyone has a stand full of fruittrees. ktl

  • ditoare.gypsy - 2012-06-21 21:54

    So Mandela suffered 27years and he said let's forgive the whites and run this country in peace, 18years down we Are not even arrested and tortured like him now we are saying Mandela must go and shav his peace where the sun don't shine??? He rested his trust on us that in 27years time we will find a formula to win back our land as he won democracy, BUT NO WE WANT WAR!!!! I've reached a point where I'm ashamed to be black no no I mean black youth no no no no I meant black ANCYL

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-21 22:06

    As long as you vote for Champagne Motlanthe and Tequila Sombrero Zuma you deserve them.

  • Hennie De Jager - 2012-06-21 22:27

    kagiso did u no that u get 10 points just for writing your name on your IQ test

  • Chappies ZA - 2012-06-21 22:28

    If a farm is not operational, i dont see a problem, give someone else a chance to farm and try his luck. Farming by the way is not for sussies, it is fken hard work and commitment. I respect the farmers and it is a pitty that the rest of SA is just bitching and moning. The Goverment has plenty of land in their possession, why dont they start there?

  • Dewit Hoffmann - 2012-06-21 22:48

    This is an extract from a previous news24 article: Cape Town - Black farmers have resold nearly 30% of the white farmland bought for them by the government, often selling back to the previous white owners, Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti said on Wednesday. "The government bought land and handed it over to aspirant farmers who then sold it again, in many instances back to the original owner," Nkwinti said.

      Kagiso Spat Truthtell - 2012-06-21 22:57

      so wat?? Yes we want financial compensation thats wat its all abt. When the gov buys the land from u for 50million...then if i own ur farm i can also make that amount. I have no interest in farming...i want economic freedom...for my community.

      Billy - 2012-06-21 23:23

      what is economic freedom? i dont understand the term, it sounds nice so i want that too.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-21 23:32

      Kagiso, Then why doesn't the government just offer the previously disadvantaged money if that is what most want? Then they can chose to buy a farm, or invest in a house or business or just sit in a shebeen and waste it away. BTW you are economically free! You can study anywhere you want to. You can apply for any job in any city as long as you have the qualifications. You can choose any career that you want to. What more do you want? Do you think us whites got free cars and houses from the old NP government?? Ha ha ha...well I have news for you. We didn't!!!

      Irene - 2012-06-21 23:32

      Kagiso ~ You do not have a clue. Not a single clue. Did you even go to school?

  • Andricca - 2012-06-22 01:49

    She is speaking the same crap that her parents taught her to - we need our land, hey we don't want anything to do with these afrikaners, we are 'stupid", "lazy" and "apartheid died long time ago", "land never belong to blacks", "what are you gonna do with land, farming is big science & you know nothing" all these negative painting by people whom we are trying hard to forgive & reconcile with. How do you "heal" the "injustices" of the past as required by the constitution - do we do that by saying all the problems we see in SA is because of these black people & their government whereas the legacy of apartheid is still firmly intact - afrikaners are tiring

  • Biiza M Herbert - 2012-06-22 02:19

    white pple you complain too much.ur leaders used to tke decisions wout consultation can atleast anc do the wen its u its painful.yeses

  • GrantE - 2012-06-22 09:09

    Kagiso Now we see the agenda, you don’t want the land, you just want the money, that why Africa has failed, Get off your a12s and work and earn your money like every other nation has to, it is not your right to get everything for nothing, it takes hard work.

  • Duncan Colter - 2012-06-22 09:24

    The ANCYL has become nothing more than a rally point for racists determined to spread hatred across South Africa. They do not want to hear debates or another point of view.

  • ashley.hoods - 2012-06-22 13:49

    Education will play the biggest part in closing the gap. It is encouraging and imperative that healthy dialogue and debate takes place amongst our youth and the next generation that will lead this country into the freedom and vision that Madiba had. Too many of the current generation (all races) still carry a chip on their shoulders and makes for slow healing and reform.

  • malcolm.j.patterson.1 - 2012-06-22 21:17

    I agree whole-heartedly with the bread story, very few have ever benefited in the long term from a handout and it's got to stop. Only yesterday where they calling for free passes to the next grade. Lets educate with good teachers and take our place in world society where we belong.

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