Teachers must go where sent - Motshekga

2012-02-17 22:28

Cape Town - Public school teachers have to go where they are sent if they want to remain employed, Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga said on Friday.

"The principle we have to follow is that you go where the work is," she said during a human development ministerial cluster briefing at Parliament.

"If you can't move, it means you are saying that you can't work."

The next step would be to retrench, she said.

Motshekga said her department was concerned over the number and quality of passes in mathematics and physical science, particularly given the specialised skills the country needed for its drive towards industrialisation, economic growth, and sustainable job creation.

The department was also worried about the availability of higher education and workplace opportunities for matriculants.

"While we know electricians are desperately needed by the economy, especially within the local government sector, a key challenge continues to be finding workplace experience opportunities for learner artisans to enable them to gain the experiential learning required to obtain a trade certificate," she said.

A recent National Skills Accord between government, business, and labour was a major breakthrough as it included a commitment by business to absorb Further Education and Training (FET) college graduates.

To successfully address its human capital development shortfall, South Africa required high-level skilled human capital, Motshekga said.

The department of science and technology was developing a human capital development strategy, which focused on research, scholarship, and innovation to increase the number and improve the equity profile of honours, master's, and doctoral graduates, and post-doctoral fellows.

"The primary intention is to promote science and technology through a range of programmes," she said.

  • Piet - 2012-02-17 22:44

    Yeah retrench all the good skills, what a brilliant solution!!!!

      Marcell - 2012-02-17 23:45

      Teachers work for the state, they are not owned by the state. Let me quess, white teachers will be send to all the out of town places in the hope that they will decline and be forced to leave on the governments terms?

      Sean - 2012-02-18 01:12

      Frstly , how about looking at who is qualified to be a teacher ???????

      Max - 2012-02-18 07:14

      @Marcell, I agree with you. There is so many hidden agendas behind the minister's statement it is in actual fact very worrying. A good qualified teacher in a well functioning school that produces good results is far more worth than what they are getting paid. They are professional people with professional ethics etc. that forms the corner stone of our futures development. On the other side of the coin you have 70% of all so called teachers that are not qualified or is the product of inferior academic institutions that cannot produce any positive results and they are working in dis-functional schools. These are the ones that are totally overpaid and in oversupply countrywide. If the intention of this minister is to mix the teachers up between functional and disfunctional schools to improve results she is sadly mistaken because the professional teachers will leave the eduction profession and do something ells and the minister will end up with even worst results overall. The minister is a good example of an intellectually challenged person that is appointed in a position where they have no clue of what is going on, very much like the principals in the dis-functional schools.

  • Dave - 2012-02-17 22:45

    Typical "CONTROL FREAK" attitude.

  • Benjamin - 2012-02-17 22:50

    Angie Motshekga,i hope you did not waste tax payers money on ill informed consultants for the thoughtless statements you release.Have you considered the family set up,to name just one factor.

      Roberto - 2012-02-18 08:23

      It looks like she did not consider anything. How in the hell can you have a solid teacher base if your minister of Basic Education makes statements like this?

  • Fanie - 2012-02-17 23:17

    Has this women lost it. can see govt. has no idea what to do. retrench as much as you want. don't worry about the tax payers money. where is job creation, which is in any case a figmenttation of Zuma's head. In reality madam people have homes and the last time I heard is that this country is still a democracy and that people have freedom of choice or are we back to the era of pass books (dompas)

      Sean - 2012-02-18 01:14

      Fanie , that is my whole point !! The top is so uneducated !!!!

  • gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-02-17 23:40

    What a fantastic way of persuading bright pupils to become teachers. Idiot!

  • Aveen Mahabal - 2012-02-17 23:43

    The country's children suffer because of poor education policies. The OBE system has failed. It was drawn up to facilitate learning in a wrong manner. Was it drawn up in "rebellion" against old proper education system. I've seen the textbooks and compared to the old system, it's a joke. The current set of teachers esp in rural areas don't meet the standard required to develop the future adults of the country. ? Fire teachers? What a joke. A sad sad system that the government has crippled the children with a terrible poor education. Matric marks improving or are the exams easier and of a lower standard.

  • kseyffert - 2012-02-17 23:45

    Stupid! Trying to force good teachers will only get them out of the system! You will have gained nothing and have lost a load of quality teachers. I know it helps little when they are all where you don't need them. So make it worth their while to go where you need them. offer them packages they can't refuse.

  • Pawel - 2012-02-17 23:53

    Simple solution, fire everyone and get imported teachers from Brazil who can speak english or afrikaans...

      Shaun O'Meara - 2012-02-18 00:06

      Here is to more brainless decisions from our incompetent government! you are screwing up the country even faster this way! Maybe you need to be educated.

  • Chris - 2012-02-18 00:16

    So if I am a teacher with my entire social network, my family, friends etc all in say Kempton Park, I must now move to Lusikisiki in order to remain employed? Well thought out plan, I can see how it will bear one give this woman another Bell's, she's had plenty.

  • Marcell - 2012-02-18 00:28

    To deploy teachers or anybody else for that matter you need to have an oversupply in one place. Then you take the oversupply and transfer them to where there are a shortage. So, the question then is why are there 35-45 pupils in a class if there is an oversupply of teachers? Or is the plan to move teachers from performing schools to poor performing schools? If my wife is a teacher and she is required to move somewhere else, she'll just have to take the retrenchment package and stay home. I'll have to let the domestic worker go and perhaps the agricultural technician to( the lawnmower will last longer). She didn't think this expected from an ancESTOR.

  • mary.kircher - 2012-02-18 00:56

    Plain stupidity ! Most teachers are women, are they supposed to leave their husband and family in order to keep their job - who the hell thinks up all these insane provisos ?

      Michelle Kirsten - 2012-02-18 03:05

      I can't believe I'm saying this but remember for sixty or so years many black men and women had to do exactly that in order to gain employment. Guess it's tit for tat now. Only in an equal opportunities sort of way. Maybe they'll send me to the karoo...sheep don't steal cars

      Chris - 2012-02-18 08:12

      @Michelle. And white unskilled labour did the same in europe in the last century, however teachers are not unskilled labour, and this isn't 1940.

  • Blip - 2012-02-18 01:08

    Not even the apartheid-era Nats dared to treat professional teachers as conscript labourers. Shame on you, Angie! Teachers have families, friends and social preferences too and depriving them of their freedom to choose where they wish to live and work is undemocratic and tantamount to forced labour.

      Marcell - 2012-02-18 04:41

      Yes, but remember in those days teachers ACTED like professionals. Big difference.

  • Honest Raymond Makoi - 2012-02-18 01:38

    I am over this crap.... If she says the teachers must stay she gets crap and when she says they must go, she gets crap.. Make up your minds people... One day the teachers are lazy.. Nobody will be satisfied!

  • annegrette - 2012-02-18 01:52

    Dit is bollie! If they want the education to go where it need be, and it is beyond the educator, then it lies upon the department. They want them there - they must get them there.... And this is coming from a teacher in training: give me reason to leave my life...

      annegrette - 2012-02-18 02:05

      And the truth: teaching is not my life - it is my passion... And I will do everything within my capability to fulfill it. But I can only do as much: PLEASE do not take me away from the opportunity of teaching at a school that is not situated within the borders of where you think I should be teaching... There are so many schools that I can only hope for being apart of - but, unfortunately, it is not always possible. And if you were to force me to make a decision: either move whilst you do not have the money or stay where you will not have money - what is a teacher to do????

      Marcell - 2012-02-18 04:42

      @annegrette: time to think about your own future first. See you soon.

  • Mantsho - 2012-02-18 01:57

    Can you please send me to America, l am sick and tired of Sauth Africa.

      Meldino Kailane Majoko - 2012-02-18 12:02

      mantsho never say never

  • rlong1952 - 2012-02-18 02:22

    Brilliant, retrench teachers and what do you replace them with? Like there is a huge oversupply of highly skilled and qualified teachers in SA. Sheez, talk about a rocket scientist!!

  • Johan - 2012-02-18 02:32

    Mrs Motsehekga, I held you up in high esteem, but now YOU ARE POWER DRUNK! get a grip of yourself. Your statement is lethal.

  • Michelle Kirsten - 2012-02-18 03:13

    Great, our so called "successful" schools have been jumping through hoops getting files up to date, submitting planning, having dept visits, etc, and we still are going to probably be subjected to the same treatment (punishment) as the non performers! Way to demotivate the motivated ones!!

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-02-18 03:31

    i wish you would go where i would like to send you ,to hell, you are such a waste of space please make prof Jansen the next minister of education and while you at it fire the other useless one as well old prune face utterly useless bunch

      Sarah Cuthbert - 2012-02-18 13:31

      Prof. Jansen for Minister of Education, that would be a fantastic solution. At least it would be someone who knows the realities of the teaching profession...

  • Johan Grobbelaar - 2012-02-18 03:39

    My wife just finished her B.Ed, I think after this rocket scientist opened her claptrap, Australia just gained many more teachers. Shame. This is Africa, after all, not known for the brightness of its "leedahs".

      Marcell - 2012-02-18 04:40

      See you soon. Stop wasting your energy and Mandela's. Rather leave when it is your decision.

      Johan Grobbelaar - 2012-02-18 08:36

      @Marcel: and please don't come begging for help like the rest of ur continent. The developed world wont send maize to SA, they got the rest of Africa to feed who also stuffed up functioning economies by chasing the foundations of their economy away.Funny how India,Aus,NZ,Hong Kong etc etc made a success. I wonder what negative thing African countries all have in common? Take ur tin bowl somewhere else...

      Marcell - 2012-02-18 08:44

      Don't shoot the messenger mate. :) Give me a call when you arrive.

  • bennievanderwesthuizen - 2012-02-18 04:52

    No wonder Private schools are doing so well and making profits - Why dont you go and teach Me the minister ?

  • Eugene Smith - 2012-02-18 06:15

    Hey Minister. I can't even get a job as a filing clerk in the PGWC with my matric certificate and years of admin experience. So how will education help? You people then don't want to give me work.

  • Mona Grant - 2012-02-18 06:39

    Minister Motshega-how stuid are you? Who will you replace us with? The latecomers OR maybe even the so called qualified staff that can't even speak the language of instruction. I chose to apply for work close to the area where we live- obvious isn't it? Anyway, not that retrenching for your purposes will hold up in labour law- the CCMA will LAUGH at your dumbness! Let's retrench you and get someone intelligent in this position. Wonder how many days you spent teaching in front of any grade for any subject???

  • Brent - 2012-02-18 07:03

    Thats why all SA's good teachers are in privat and overseas schools, OZ, Quatar, China ETC ETC. Your current pay strcuture reflects the quality of education in SA, cant compare to private schools.

  • Bibi - 2012-02-18 07:18

    And a married teacher...?

  • Frans - 2012-02-18 07:19

    Do you really think you will solve anything with this policy. Married people can't just get up and go.By retrenching people unable to move, you are just proving that you do not have a clue about how the economy of a democratic country is working!!

  • Mahesh - 2012-02-18 07:26

    this mama is off her f@#**#g head, nothing new thou, just a couple of them there really know what they're doing

  • Neil - 2012-02-18 07:33

    Smells like communism. Typical.

  • isabel.defaria - 2012-02-18 08:05

    The minister has not thought this through before going public and possibly causing more teachers to leave the profession.The problem here is young black students who get burseries from the state and then refuse to work in their own communities giving back to their own people. This is the problem that needs to be addressed. We have an education crisis in this country and must avoid loosing more teachers to the profession.

      Sallie - 2012-02-18 08:23

      She is like most other ANC ministers. Shoot from the hip and hopefylly makes some sort of impression

      Shirley Van Heerden - 2012-02-18 08:41

      why only mentioning the black students? Should not all persons regardless of colour give back to the community in which they live? Why always make it a race thing? this is our country-black, white, orange, green with purple spots-we all live here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nicola Killops - 2012-02-18 08:22

    This is the very reason why I will only take a School Governing Body Post and not a Dept post. I have worked in the same SGB post at a school for 10 years. My son is in a Special Needs school for Autistic children (which the dept does not fund in any way...too busy buying cars and holidays) and I already drive 80km a day to take and fetch him while keeping my job. If I was moved to some arb place, I guarantee there would be no decent facilities nearby for my son. Would the dear minister allow my son to share her helicopter to get to school each day?

      pws69 - 2012-02-18 08:38

      Not forgetting that the DoE wants to curtail the ability of SGBs to reward teachers accordingly. Angie wants everything at the lowest (ANC) common denominator. Everything equally crap, instead of trying to raise standards.

  • pws69 - 2012-02-18 08:33

    "While we know electricians are desperately needed by the economy, especially within the local government sector, a key challenge continues to be finding workplace experience opportunities for learner artisans to enable them to gain the experiential learning required to obtain a trade certificate," she said. ********************************************************************** Angie, it was YOUR ANC that did away with apprenticeships, and f#$k the whole system up but WE have to fix it?

  • Gerhard - 2012-02-18 08:47

    Are we back to forced removals???

      Gerhard - 2012-02-19 11:09

      I remember in 1994 the ANC government sacked 6000 teachers for political reasons. Are we any better off now???

  • Willie - 2012-02-18 08:47

    Minister Angie Motshekga is living in her own dream world. Come to the schools and find out what is going on. Some teachers are to lazy to work and you want to replace them with good teachers. Get a life Minister!!!!! Get out of your comfort zone and visit all the schools NOT ONLY former model C schools......visit all the schools in the rural areas then you will see the picture...........

  • Willie - 2012-02-18 08:52

    Minister Angie Motshekga is only interested in a political solution NOT in the real problems........ WE NEED SERIOUS PEOPLE TO TACKLE THIS PROBLEM, not the clowns in the Education ministry!!! We need leaders who can make a stand for EDUCATION FOR CHILDREN......

      pws69 - 2012-02-18 09:17

      Yup, remember Zumas trial. Angie chose to toyi toyi outside court instead of attending a provincial education meeting. Say a lot about where her priorities lie.

  • Karmah - 2012-02-18 12:02

    You cannot force somebody to relocate. A person needs to be made aware of such a clause when they sign an employement contract. I highly doubt it states there you have move where the work is.

  • Pierre Jonker - 2012-02-18 12:39

    Pay my studies and you can demand you chops.

      Sarah Cuthbert - 2012-02-18 13:25

      Apply for the Funza Lushaka Bursary (full government teaching bursary) if you are studying to be a teacher. That is what got me through my studies.

  • Ellen - 2012-02-18 12:45

    Well let me see...shall I leave the city, my husband who has a good job in the city and my child to go and teach in some rural village for a crappy salary? I don't think so, that is one less qualified teacher for you.

  • Karl - 2012-02-18 16:03

    What next???

  • Karl - 2012-02-18 16:05

    This really is a joke! I find it so funny that the government took an education system that worked and dismantled it instead of working on improving it..Instead of rectifying the schools that were dysfunctional by using the existing model they completely stuffed it up!..Doesn't surprise me one bit!

      Gerhard - 2012-02-18 17:54

      In 1994 they fired 6000 white teachers.

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