The Spear awakens ghost of apartheid: Makhura

2012-05-28 14:37

Johannesburg - The controversial portrait depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed recalled the assaults to human dignity of the apartheid era, the secretary for the ANC in Gauteng said on Monday.

"South Africans must be sensitive... [The Spear] awakens the ghost of apartheid," said David Makhura at Walter Sisulu House in Johannesburg.

While the "terrible portrait" had caused pain through its disregard for human dignity, it had opened up discussion on matters crucial to the practice of democracy.

"Leadership is about going beyond anger. What can we learn from this... [It can] move our nation to a higher level," he said.

Makhura denied reports that provincial executive committee (PEC) members had disagreed over the ANC's response to the portrait.

It had concluded that the matter called for "honest debate" over the role of artists in nation building.

Makhura said conflict over The Spear had contributed to a "re-racialisation" of South Africa, which could have "dangerous consequences".

"We don't want this to be a black and white issue... It can undermine all the progress South Africa has made since 1994."

Makhura called on all ANC members in Gauteng to support a march, scheduled for Tuesday, to convey disapproval of artist Brett Murray's painting.

  • CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:41

    The 4000+ murders of innocent white farmers and their families, also awaken the ghost of r@cism ...

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-28 14:44

      ANC look for anything to bring up the word Apartheid! Bunch of racist pigs!!!

      Henri - 2012-05-28 14:45

      Something happens in this country and people must march, wtf, dont you people have jobs or surpose to create jobs and keep people off the streets ?????????

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-28 14:46


      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-28 14:50


      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:53

      FreeSpeech, 4000+ r@cist farm murders says you are wrong

      RSole - 2012-05-28 14:53

      And the march will not doubt inlude some "shopping ANC style" or "looting" as most of us would know it.

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-28 14:56

      Charles.. Apartheid killed millions of blacks.

      Fussed - 2012-05-28 14:56

      So you think you have made progress since 1994, Stop bulls@#%iting you self

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-05-28 14:56

      the blatant racism from ANC people like Malema & Manyi, doesn't that awaken the host of racism, its a pity the ANC don't wake up, they are the racists. Hypocrits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Down with the racist apartheid ANC.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 15:01

      PolioDonkey, so did AIDS

      NrGx - 2012-05-28 15:05

      It must the most idiotic statement Ive heard yet...""South Africans must be sensitive... [The Spear] awakens the ghost of apartheid," And blaming apartheid/racism for everything doesnt "awaken the ghost"

      Fred - 2012-05-28 15:05

      Can't we give it up now? It's served its purpose to get Zuma a whole host of sympathy votes for the ANC congress. If it wasn't for that, I'm sure the whole saga would never have come up. The painting was done, amongst other paintings in the display, to protest at the ANC's blatant disregard for its people, but Zuma & Co have done everything they can to deflect away from their poor performance. very good spinning. @Poloyatonki .... Apartheid NEVER killed millions of blacks. Get your facts straight, you idiot. You just make yourself the laughing stock of the forum with your drivel.

      Kyle - 2012-05-28 15:09

      Race and apartheid are on an infinite loop as excuses for anything in this country! Our biggest problem is we do not know how to move on. We are desperate to hold on to material differences between us like race, religion, culture and views. Patriotism is the only ghost that I know which needs to be awaken!

      arthur.hugh - 2012-05-28 15:10

      He shouldve said "If you PRICK me, will I not bleed?"

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-05-28 15:22

      The only ones making it a "black and white"issue is the anc! They are making a mockery of democracy and cry racism whenever they feel cornered!!!

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-05-28 15:23

      And that's all the ANC needs to win the next General Election:THE RACE CARD! It does put things in perspective though. We that live in Europe now knows that neither white or black can move on from Apartheid based on the comment reactions left on these pages of this forum. The ANC and those who sides with them calls what Brett Murray did racist, and white people fedup with that reciprocates in kind by telling them how pathetic they are for saying that. And nogal in no uncertain terms. Whites more so than other races on this forum,I presume wants the ANC out of power quickly and rightly so given what's going on at the minute in South Africa. And black people in favour of what the ANC is saying,says that they only want the ANC out for obvious reasons which is because it's a black government that was set up to fail as justification that Apartheid was actually been a "good thing" for blacks as well. And that's where the problem lies. Neither side convinces onlookers that either one has South Africa as a whole and all of its people's interest at heart.It's still us against them politics. The ANC will **** up South Africa that's for sure. At least they did it in 18 years whereas the Afrikaner did it in 46 years with their policy of racial segregation & other BS. And the English before them for 150 years taking what they needed as per Colonial Rule and ****ed the locals over in that way. Will it ever end for South Africa regardless of who comes into power next one wonders?

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-28 15:25

      Poloyatonki - WE ARENT IN APARTHEID ANYMORE!!!! get that into your thick skull!! We had nothing to do with apartheid!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:30

      We need special care and attention as our Cultures were disenfranchized. We need to be handled with soft woollen gloves with heaps of care.

      Mike - 2012-05-28 15:30

      Apartheid has come and gone - WTF - All these people can ever do is blame apartheid, call the racists cards, march for every little thing, destroy, steal, cheat, want things for free, destroy, want , want , want and dont care for work, this must be the worst nation on earth. Just look at africa. - Fu?ked up - look at other places such as euro zone, brazil, south merica, latin america, USA, Russia, Asia, and so on not so bad. No other country is led by a std 3 educated person. But we have plenty of peanuts and bannas here

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-28 15:31

      E=MC2 "We had nothing to do with apartheid!" really? but today you are living a good life in your town house because of apartheid benefits i.e Good Education, Good job for your parents, Safe neighborhood, etc

      Helen - 2012-05-28 15:32

      @Polo....just fyi - more blacks have died in taxi accidents since 1995 than were ever killed during apartheid - think buddy, think - where are we going? Please join the march tomorrow and contribute towards the absolute going nowhere - use your energy for something a bit more positive. The march will however create some work for a few as there is bound to be a huge mess!!!!

      Martin - 2012-05-28 15:48

      racism is not between black and white its between anc and the illiterate non elites and whites, educated blacks, indians coloureds and the gay community, and the west, and somalians and zimbabweans. i have not been to a braai where i dont see every race represented, everyone is mixing or know of friends who are, the racism is purely political and uneducated, just how the furor wants and needs it to keep in power...i could be racist for being robbed and mygged by african black males, but im not, i was robbed by colourless criminals, i was just there at the wrong time and place to be robbed by a white oke, or whatever. the anc has to keep repeating apartheid, aparteid aparteid, the only way to move on is to let the struggle die (in that sense of marketing it constantly) and letting south africa happen, apartheid is dead, it never wxisted for me or people after me, i do not take away from the damage done though, but the older generations should not have power based on bias, white and black, give the reigns to born free people, we are the future, the anc keeps bringing up the past as reason for their failure, so where is our future if we are led by the past?

      Thermophage - 2012-05-28 15:50

      To all you "haters" out there...why is THIS not considered racist (or is it)?

      chikunga - 2012-05-28 15:53

      against the hundred of thousands that were executed without trial

      HugoMabasa - 2012-05-28 15:56

      charles dumbwin the racist christian,no wonder atheists dont take christianity seriuosly

      sabongam - 2012-05-28 15:56

      Can we STOP with this BS already...Geez,can't we speak about something else...Am so blerrie gatvol of the Spear...Could we please let sense prevail by simply not commenting or responding to any statements regarding "The Spear".For crying in a bucket!!!!!

      Bryan - 2012-05-28 15:59

      @Polonydonkey....millions of blacks??? Bru, you are smoking some serious sh*t..

      Christopher - 2012-05-28 16:06

      @Polo...No because E=MC2 has more likely worked hard. We have to work harder now because of black apartheid! "And apartheid killed millions of black people"????. Millions...hahahahaa. I see you one of the sheep and uneducated ones around here on News 24. Its like you saying... Hitler only killed 10 people during WW2...get learned my man before you start typing.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-05-28 16:18

      Black and White is the only issue they ever extend their thoughts to. Just go back to the comments made by government officials over the last couple of days, hell the last couple of years. Unite us before it’s too late. If: it’s not too late already.

      George - 2012-05-28 16:27

      It's good to have people like you because if you dont remind us about what your thoughts are about blacks we may slip up and vote for the DA thinking that the country is moving in the right direction. I know it will never happen that suddenly everybody is not racist. So for now I'll keep my ANC, and you can keep your Afriforum, DA, AWB, FF+. As a black person, I feel sorry for the racists because they are the one dragging the country down. If it was not for some of you the ANC would have been challenged a long time.

      Christopher - 2012-05-28 16:37

      @mpa..Then why is the DA growing and growing? And in 2 years they will challenge the anc..

      zymsimango - 2012-05-28 16:52

      4000+ is just a drop in a sea when compared to killings that happened in National party time

      tobydt - 2012-05-28 16:59

      Actually, 7,000 people were killed by the apartheid government in its 40 years of existence. This figure was quoted at the TRC, and is widely considered as accepted by all local and foreign human rights organisations. Lets not go overboard and spread incorrect information merely to prove your points. - 2012-05-28 19:36

      Please can everybody make sure they do not vote for the ANC we must make a stand against these dictators. If you should decide you don't want to vote, the ANC will automatically get your vote. i don't care who you vote for, as long as it is not the ANC. But please whatever you do, do not decide not to vote because the ruling party automatically gets those votes please please please

      Jenny - 2012-05-28 20:56

      Poloyatonki - please Google "number of black people killed during apartheid in South Africa". The answer is less than seven thousand and the numbers are well documented. And by the way, seven thousand is shocking enough and should never have happened either, but get a grip and don't make up nonsense about millions being killed. Never happened.

      Vince.York - 2012-05-29 06:42

      Have the uneven laws in currently in SA allowed for this unpalatable growth in arrogance of black versus everything else - similar to the way exactly the same type of laws created arrogance among the apartheid Nationalists?

      henk63 - 2012-05-29 07:56

      @Jenny, don't try to talk sense to idiots. As a matter of fact, a TOTAL of 7000 died, but most of those was black-on-black violence. The security forces did kill a few, yes, but not all 7000. The morons claim hurndreds of thousands to millions killed, typical of their verbal history keeping. They can distort anything they want, however it suits them. Problem for us is that they start to believe themselves, and also influence their 2-braincell brothers.

      jbrandct - 2012-05-29 07:59

      Correct Jenny, and of those 7000 most are black people who killed black people. "Necklacing" and such. In fact, before apartheid started black people were dying faster than they were reproducing due to diseases and such. But during apartheid they received free westernized medical care and that's when their numbers exploded.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-29 08:56

      Poly - actually, according to the TRC hearings, only 7000 people was killed by the apartheid regime during the 40 years of apartheid. not 'millions of blacks'. I agree even 1 killed was too many, but please, that kind of hyperbole is why SA is in the mess it's in. Every kind of mess imaginable is blamed on Apartheid. Apartheid is over - its been dead for more than 20 years. SA is currently suffering from a severe bout of racism...from both sides. And it is tearing us apart. BEE, AA and quata systems are no different than reverse racism, and is resulting in bitterness, despair and anger among white people - just like Apartheid resulted in those feelings among Black people. Here is the question - how do you correct the injustices of the past? by implementing new injustices? No, that just creates new problems. You have to create solutions that do not prejudice against anybody.

      bambanani.mdzimba - 2012-05-29 14:48

      the ghost of racism,never went.murray is just continuing were his forefathers left.

      madmcmax - 2012-05-29 15:20

      Poloyatonki. I presume you are exaggerating deliberately. Millions of blacks indeed. How does that cpompare with the recorded hundreds of thousands who died as a result of MBeki's Aids denialism? Get real, buster.

      Tony - 2012-05-29 15:27

      and what about the 1 million victims auf apartheid? where were /are you to denonce it? your are a dishonest creature. The painting is not justified, if he doesn't like Zuma, he has to critizise ihm, not to make a painting,the savage. Why din't he make firt apainting from Verwoerd? Onls dishonest people here. Pathetic!

      mossie.geldenhuys - 2012-05-29 16:27

      The Spear....blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah........blah blah blah.......!!!

      Boeretroos - 2012-05-29 22:56

      This is why we had apartheid - We couldnt have every black man walking around with his flippen spear !

      Chrono - 2012-05-29 23:51

      Poloyatonki, go read the Truth and Reconciliation Commission findings about the number and then repeat your posting.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-05-30 18:39

      Poloyatonki millions of blacks? are you retarded? Honestly I have given you the benefit of the doubt on all these articles but now you have confirmed that not only are you a disgusting racist pig but also a totally mindless idiot.

  • Heinrich - 2012-05-28 14:41

    You made it racist to start off with!!

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-28 15:01

      it is amazing to see an entire nation so divided over one man's jewls...! yo uDO realise that we are fighting over a "d i c k" right?

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-28 16:08

      This is the most misguided " SHAM " this anc has staged. There is trouble brewing here...and a EDUCATED AND RESPONSIBLE government should be doing the exact opposite of what they're doing...they should be calm the nation and calling for a highly charged atmosphere..which is what it is at the moment.Zuma is spinning this to get max out of it...very unwise man....don't let the people march tomorrow....we all know there will be trouble...seems these people thrive on this...but the trouble that comes from it ...will be blamed on Apartheid..WATCH. @Poloyatonki...your perception, that all whites sit in luxury and have masters degrees, due to apartheid, is so far from the truth...your people have been filling your head with forget it's the whites that are taxed to death....and most are struggling to get QUITE THIS STORY...OF..."POOR BLACKS"...."RICH WHITES"..It's not true.

      Warren - 2012-05-28 16:23

      Its a pity Zuma's reaction wasn't more like a statesman: something along the lines of making a joke of it, instead of choosing to read racist thoughts going into it. I agree this was a backward step for non-racism in South Africa, but not because of the painting but how we reacted to it.

  • Paul - 2012-05-28 14:41

    OMG when will they ever leave this alone? It's cost SA millions, for a painting. Enough now!!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:44

      The ANC regime will use anything like this to keep the masses excited about the past. They are capatilising on this painting by politicizing it to the max. They milkin this for all it's worth this hard ANC regime - the rooling putty.

  • altusvanzyl - 2012-05-28 14:43

    Oh damn you. Apartheid my bottom! Corrupt dictatorship!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 14:53


      Koos - 2012-05-28 14:56

      *everyone standing, looking, shaking their heads at Tamaranui while he aimlessly spins around*

      Sean - 2012-05-28 15:14

      For the record, this piece of crap, Tamaranui is also the only FB friend of that other racist piece of crap Tsotsi Baby. Methinks that they are the same racist piece of crap.

      Gerald - 2012-05-28 15:20

      Tamatoe Tell me where in government this is no corruption. Answer to your question Where....Where ???? EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-28 15:26

      Tamaranui - no man is as blind as the man who refuses to see. Its everywhere... how can you ask a dumb question like "where"??

      Dooie - 2012-05-28 15:48

      Corruption is in every sector this country. How many days go by without hearing about some corrupt official being suspended for corruption? None..... Tamaranui you are one of the millions of people failing to see just that. You will follow a corrupt leader like so many do in Zimbabwe.

      Christopher - 2012-05-28 16:09

      @Tampon...Behind you, don't bend!!

      Anthony - 2012-05-28 16:41

      chris i have a 40inch pipe if you need it

      tobydt - 2012-05-28 17:02

      Um... for the people saying 'corruption is all over the world'... Need I remind you that we have overtaken Nigeria... and we are now the most corrupt country in Africa. You guys proud of that?

      Stefan - 2012-05-29 12:37

      Don't feed the trolls

      Gary - 2012-05-29 16:10

      Is it really true that the ruling party gets the votes of people who abstain from voting? SURELY NOT.......??

      Paul - 2012-05-30 06:07

      You not the only one Gary,was wondering the same thing. I know stacks of folk that dont vote. Iv'e never heard of that before, surely not, is that a new thing implemented by the goverment ( nothing suprises me )

  • Mark - 2012-05-28 14:44

    Makhura knows full well this is not a Black and White issue. The race-card was simply the only way the ANC can deflect attention away from the truth this picture portrays about the worst Head Of State this Country has ever had.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:46

      I wish a black man had painted that, then they would have nothing to say.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-05-28 14:56

      Ayanda - a black artist - already painted a much cruder one in 2010, with Zuma and Tutu and a whole bunch of people with their willies out. They had nothing to say then - so yeah, the ANC has turned this into a race issue.

      Loo - 2012-05-28 14:59

      There is portrait similar to this one.. LOT worse btw .. penises all over the show including ZUMA and Desmond,, even Madiba was portrayed as a puppet,, NOTHING ,, absolutley NOTHING was said about that,,,, WHY ?? cause it was painted by a now famous black artist. SO screw this hypocracy

      xoli.xuma - 2012-05-28 15:00

      The reason why race-card has come to the fore is that, in african culture is not acceptable for childen or younger people to see older (and parents) private parts. African childen according to our culture should not be expose to such thing hence this is viewed as an attack on African culture by the white person hence he is regarded as racist (insulting african culture).

      Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:04

      Charles a black man did. He painted a picture of Zuma and Tutu much worse than this one. He is black though and thus no one in the ANC will fall over him. Racism is going to kill this country.

      Mark - 2012-05-28 15:05

      If the President drank uncontrolably, he would be portrayed with a crate of booze. Not hard to figure out the uncontrollable sex thing.

      Juan - 2012-05-28 15:19

      @xoli.xuma if it was culture for young children not to see older peoples private parts...why do people still stand next to the road and pee infront of everyone...even if there is a tree just a few meters away. So they are not part of that culture you are talking about?

      Deirdre - 2012-05-28 15:22

      @Xoli ... then please explain to me the culture rape that pervades our society, with a large percentage of black men being the perpetrators???

      Azande - 2012-05-28 15:23

      @xoli, I hear your reasoning behind labelling this "racism". i do not think differing in cultural values amounts racism. some cultures value this some that, I really think we are taking it far if we say that is being "racist". Now lets be frank, the other painting done by our fellow black with same JZ, Tutu and others naked, can we really label it racism? if not, why?

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-28 18:53

      @toli-xuma, the only insult here is your and your stupidity. Please leave this site as it is for people with intelelct only and you certainly does not fall into that class!

      James - 2012-05-29 14:26

      @Xoli, the only culture you have is the kind that grows between your toes. You use your culture as an excuse only and if it benefits you!!!

      Paul - 2012-05-30 06:13

      Saw on face book Zuma and Malema as little boys holding each others "toties" You got see it, funniest thing

  • Blackpoison - 2012-05-28 14:44

    Oh just get a life!!!

  • Francois - 2012-05-28 14:45

    hoe do you connect a painting of a guy with his winkie hanging out with apartheid?

      Fredster - 2012-05-28 14:47

      I Agree, what on earth is he on?

      Liesbet - 2012-05-28 14:50

      Whahahaha! Needed this laugh... my thoughts exactly....

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:54

      Francois, easy, Apartheid was a r@cist government exposing all the black d!cks.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:06

      He tried to pee and wet his pants. Apartheid's fault.

      Fred - 2012-05-28 15:08

      @ Charles Dumbwin ... actually the ANC is the "r@cist government exposing all the black d!cks"

      NrGx - 2012-05-28 15:46

      both need to get f****d?

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-28 18:55

      @francios, it very easy, just paint a small pricky and whalla, racism and apartheid!

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-28 14:45

    Uuuuuh.... the ANC constantly awakens the ghost of apartheid, every day, when they bring up issues from the past, constantly blame racism and apartheid for their screw-ups, go to court over a painting when they could be using their time and money to improve the lives of those actually disadvantaged by apartheid. Oh wait, i forgot, everything is the white man's fault. Silly me

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 14:53

      Silly you indeed...........

      Lionel - 2012-05-28 14:54

      "their money" ? ROFLMAO! It's public money, and they steal it.

      susan.greyling - 2012-05-28 14:59

      Racism is used by the ANC like die rooi gevaar was used by the NP.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:07

      Tamaranui is a troll, an old one.

      Martin - 2012-05-28 15:54

      just like bizillionaire bob mugabe, the colonialists are to blame for his 100 yrs of torture, famine and refugees since he came into power in 1452ad. bob you are to blame, there are no colonialists there for decades, whos in charge? cos they are responsible

      Tony - 2012-05-29 15:37

      yes indeed, "you forgot, everything is the white man's fault". Want can we expect from a racist like you? idiot.

  • Jandl Reevo Reeves - 2012-05-28 14:46

    Load of nothing to do with racism but freedom of expression in what a artist see's in his president.a rapist,corrupt dictator with no morals.....bloody idiot to say the least

      Thapelo - 2012-05-28 14:58


      Fussed - 2012-05-28 15:03

      So no painter can ever paint our old flag in any picture ever again?

      Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:08

      Thapelo if they killed you, what are you doing here?.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:11

      Only ONE real RSA flag.

      Ron - 2012-05-28 15:16

      Damn, Thapelo... they missed you!

      Tax - 2012-05-28 15:38

      @Thapelo then explain why your numbers increased tenfold during apartheid...thanks to all the hospitals and clinics the Nats built for you. Idiot trash you cant think for yourself can you?

      Anthony - 2012-05-28 16:45

      he can only think as far as his nose and you know how flat that is..

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-28 18:59

      @DOMPELO, Voetsek of this site!You are an insult to human kind. I see they have openings in the zoo, poepholle like you to clean up after the animals, wait not you coz then you will call the zebra also a racist as he wears balck and white stripes!

  • Jennifer - 2012-05-28 14:47

    singing 'shoot the boer ' reawakened the ghosts of apartheid and racism. I saw you sing it Mr Zuma. You seem to want to awaken the racism. You don't even care for your own people, they go to school under trees with no books. You're a Bad leader.

  • CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:47

    Another insecure ANC march? Really? I wonder where they will be hiring their rent-a-riot crowd from this time???

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 14:54

      I'll be there.............

      WysJouMys - 2012-05-28 15:18

      Get a job...

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-28 15:26

      Of course you will Tamaranui, your small mind has nothing else to do or comprehend.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-28 19:03

      @Charles, from Bobjaanwe just accross the border. Bob glad to send his supportas here, that way they can come and live here of our tax money and he can steal more in his not existing Bobjaanwe!

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-05-29 00:40

      @tamaranui, Oh so you will be flying in from the USA for this march??

  • Joy - 2012-05-28 14:48

    Zuma is a laughing stock, bcoz he turn this country to banana republic. Most of us unemployed youth of this country we don't care about him anymore, bcoz he also don't care about us.

  • Oom - 2012-05-28 14:48

    The government have made very little progress in anything since 1994, sorry to burst your bubble china.. as for the racism, I don’t remember many whites complaining about the painting being racist... that was pushed by the ANC, so as to score points with the masses, this is how the ANC works, create massive chaos, then blame apartheid, racism, and all the usual stuff. Meantime, it’s all a smoke screen to cover their own butts. Wake up people..NOT EVERYTHING IS RASCIST, GET OVER THE PAST ALREADY...

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 14:56

      Not that easy when many advocate the ""apparent virtue"" of the past hence we continue the fight for Liberation.

      Peet - 2012-05-28 15:12

      Tamaranui you must wake up, in a 100 years time the ANC will still not have achieved anything and will still blame apartheid for everything. Simple reason is that they do not know how to build up the country, even with all the resources to their disposal.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-05-29 00:42

      @tamaranui, So when will you move to SA from the USA so you can suffer the after effects of apartheid.

      James - 2012-05-29 14:39

      @ Tamaranui, first off go back to your own country. Secondly, please could you show just one world class african country! I have had the opportunity to travel to both east and west africa and have to to find an african country that is not falling apart at the seams. During apartheid (oh the evil regime)South africa was totally self sufficient, produced all we needed as we had the skills and expertise to do so. We even developed the technology to extract petroleum from coal (Sasol). Now if such things could be done during an evil regime then surely one would imagine that under a free "democratic" governance, south africa should be capable of so much more, but no, the prevailing intelect (and I use that term very liberally) thinks that it would be better to run the country into the ground all the while keeping the masses ingnorant and illiterate.

  • anthro45 - 2012-05-28 14:48

    When will you lot stop blaming Apartheid for your incompetance, failures and insecurities? I mean, after alomost 19 years, that is all you still here. Pre-1994, everything still functioned and were there no need to make a mockery of a statesman.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 14:57

      Eish insecurities, mmmmmmmmmmmm Whom legislated the Old Regime are the folk with insecurities.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-05-28 14:59

      Except for okd Pik - Evita did a great job ripping him off ;-)

      eil33nn - 2012-05-28 15:57

      @Tama, my old troll friend...we meet again. I surely did not vote for the apartheid government because i was 10 years old when Pres Madiba was voted in. I agree, we can't blame apartheid for everything, but rather our own faults as human beings, for being greedy and living immoral lives. Don't you think that is a better option than blaming something that died 18 years ago when Madiba was democratically elected President?

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-28 16:28

      @Tamaranui..." Who legislated the Old Regime "....NOT US...GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD...The old regime was created 80/90 years ago....MOST OF THE FOLK COMMENTING HERE WERE UNDER 15 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME OF THE anc COMING INTO POWER...SO DON'T BLAME THEM.You guy's are the ones with insecurities..When see the light my friend.. the truth will set you free.

      zymsimango - 2012-05-28 17:11

      for your info, anc will rule until jan van ribeeck (now called jesus) comes back

  • Matthew - 2012-05-28 14:50

    How typically pathetic. 1.What progress are you refering to since 1994? 2.By saying you dont want to make this a black and white thing,you literally just did that. 3.It re awakens the ghost of apartheid.Yes it does,except this time its the ANC,not the afrikaaners.Anyone with an educated mind can see that (in this case at least) 4.South africa must be sensitive....No,certain racial groups need to STOP being OVER-sensitive. 5.Honest debate over what role painters/artists play in nation building...What idiot gave you that speech?! Since when does the ANC decide what artists can and cant do (with exception to brett murray) 6.Yes,because while we waste millions of tax payers money on this whole chaos/drama,just because Zuma dosnt like being shown for what he really is. Meanwhile,service delivery,10 000 text books not getting to the schools (of which,our education is dire need of attention) but no no,lets go on about this painting,and pretend that its all for "the people" of south africa,when honestly,anyone with aneducated mind,could care less about other than it taking up time and money,when its needed elsewhere =/

      susan.greyling - 2012-05-28 15:00

      It was the afrikaners??? Of course the English hated having the mines and getting rich from the system?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:04

      1.Heaps of progress...GDP, Education, Housing at the lower socio-economic sector. 2.This is the pattern of RSA politics....This is due to the Past regime. 3.Tis not the Afrikaaner on his/her lonesome that culminated in Apartheid.The English and all other Europeans were equally to blame. 4.RSA is sensitive considering the infancy of this Democracy. Unfortunately the disenfranchized are required to be handled with care ( Soft woollen gloves will do). 5.With Democracy comes responsibility, seems Murray requires a few classes in this field. 6.That is your opinion, An uneducated one however in this democracy this is allowed.

  • Koos - 2012-05-28 14:50

    Oh hell, this is nothing if compared to what some of the comrades do everyday. Shame, all of a sudden all backs are so sensitive. Someone give this guy a tub of Vaseline please.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:06

      Koos , I am sure this Comrade does not indulge in any Vaseline rituals, that’s your realm of expertise.

      Koos - 2012-05-29 09:07

      I'm white. I don't roll with Vaseline. You should know that Tamaranui.

  • Lionel - 2012-05-28 14:50

    Woah! Hokai! You guys started the race "debate"; before that it was just a political statement in bad taste; even your advocate couldn't say why it was racist - see Ayanda Mabula's paintings, which, in my opinion make the pres look even more like a %^&*wit. You will not be able to milk this story for much longer.

      Lance - 2012-05-29 16:49

      it was a thought provoking painting of a person...who just happens to be black. This person has a dubious past regarding sexual activities...

  • melania.nel - 2012-05-28 14:50

    And still no word on Ayanda Mabula's painting of the naked zulu president. Racist government!!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:07

      Niks..........Arme kind,

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-05-28 14:51

    "We don't want this to be a black and white issue... It can undermine all the progress South Africa has made since 1994." Tell that to Gwede and Jackson.. They seem to thrive on making this a race issue..

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:55

      They're just doing what politicians do. Saying one thing, but meaning another. OF COURSE they want this to be a race thing. The race card is the ONLY card the ANC have left to play. And on the simple minds of the masses, it works everytime ...

  • sharmay.thuynsma - 2012-05-28 14:52

    Ag asseblief! Please get over that Apartheid card. Zuma's winkie doesn't do anything except make more kids for the taxpayer to feed.

      Werner - 2012-05-28 15:01

      Precisely Sharmay!!

  • Deon - 2012-05-28 14:52

    This was never about race but rather about a pres. with a roaming eye. He should not make more babies at 70 but rather try to lead as he is failing in that department.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:14

      Deon, it's all about a president whose presidency is an empty box. He can't rule a potato field but want to be given a second term, so he can keep living under the illusion that he is a statesman. Everything that will draw the attention away from his failures is good enough to be used and thus his racist card is played over and over again. Take away his fat and everything is small about him.

  • Omrisho - 2012-05-28 14:53

    you guys are making it a black and white issue, in fact it seems as if everything that is not to your liking is a black and white racist issue... move forward from this already, or is it convenient to use this matter to demonise white south africans

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:14

      Demonize...rather expose the detracrtors within all RSA Cultures.

      WysJouMys - 2012-05-28 15:27

      @Tama... *yawn*

  • Loo - 2012-05-28 14:54

    WHAT ABOUT THE AYANDA MBULU PORTRAIT ?????? Why does the ANC say NOTHING !!! about a more descriptive and humiliating naked , penis hanging out painting of Zuma and Tutu AND Madiba..... WTH !!!! ANC .. stop your mindless racism flaring BS

      Koos - 2012-05-28 14:58

      It's because Ayanda is black and jumping up and down over a black artiste will not bring the "ag shame poor blacks" card up. Without the sympathy card some of these comrades will have no point in life.

      Loo - 2012-05-28 15:01

      I cant wait for the court case .. THIS question WILL be asked. I guarantee you

      bearpup - 2012-05-28 15:41

      I have been asking this question so many times since the issue of jacobs penis was revealed to the world for a SECOND time and not a single one of these ANC E-TROLLS never give me an answer! So it is safe to say that the biggest racists here are the ANC. Finish and Klaa!

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-28 19:14

      @loo, then you will see how this crying advocaap start sobbing. I will record it and put on youtube!

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-05-28 14:56

    BS - racists among other dumb people keep that ghost alive all the time!

  • musamuskid - 2012-05-28 14:56

    What? Don't blame everything on Apartheid.. Look at the merit of the case..

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 14:59

      WELL SAID !!! Wish others could think like you my man

      Deon - 2012-05-28 16:16

      If this gets to old they will blame the queen / colonialism again.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-28 19:15

      @musamu, my friend, that is way too technical for them to comprehend!

  • Michael - 2012-05-28 14:56

    This is so dumb it's beyond a joke...

  • BernardS - 2012-05-28 14:57

    A 5 year old kid is being strangled to death, 4 or 5 black disabled kids are raped, several people are robbed, lots of youths are being doped with drugs, thousands of our women and children are raped, black and white and ZUMA WHO RAPED AN INNOCEN|T girl's pic is the talk of the town. Your intellect is seriously under doubt. maybe I should say, you are scratching the wrong lion's nicks, "bigger than yours."Mr SA government Zuma and your bunch of corrupt criminals in parlement, tkae what comes to you, you have done it, rape, corruption, theft of the poor people's rights. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dretter - 2012-05-28 14:57

    Typical. I was waiting for someone to try and compare 'the spear', albeit very tenuously, to apartheid. And then in the same breath say that this shouldn't become a race issue. Bloody idiots.

  • Carla - 2012-05-28 14:59

    It was only a matter of time till they pulled out the apartheid card.

  • Azande - 2012-05-28 14:59

    OMG another one throwing an apartheid and racism card on the table. aeverything that is done by a white to a black is labelled racism. Now this is getting too much boring. we condenmed the painting, its down now, can we move on please South Aficans. ANC can sue all they want, we not interested anymore.

  • Riad - 2012-05-28 15:01

    "Leadership is about going beyond anger. What can we learn from this... [It can] move our nation to a higher level," he said. “It had concluded that the matter called for "honest debate" over the role of artists in nation building” …………….and then you call all ANC members in Gauteng to support a march. Just this sentence by itself makes everything else you said sound so cheap and make you no different to those of your peers and their recent calls

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:01

    Children, without school equipment, learning under Marula trees, awakens more than ghosts of Apartheid.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:17

      Did you bring this up before 1994... or is it just convenient timing ???

      WysJouMys - 2012-05-28 15:31

      @Tama. Only THIS time, its your OWN people to blame. Enjoy!

  • Christo - 2012-05-28 15:01

    This piece of artwork has nothing too do with politics. The painting is about Zuma as a person. Corrupt with no morals. What a nice President we have for this banana republic. Tsotsi you are rite, all the people who voted for this man must bow there heads in shame.

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-28 15:03

    ANC and their ghosts = Superstitious people shouldn't be in charge of anything....

  • David - 2012-05-28 15:04

    Yes thank you, 'not a black and white issue' - it never was. The fact that so many seem to be ignorant of, or deliberately ignore, is that Brett Murray was an activist against apartheid who did works just as scathing and degrading of apartheid leadership. The fact that race has come up at all shows to me that the colour of your skin is still VERY important to our government, more so than your ideas or opinions.

  • thabo.a.selane - 2012-05-28 15:04

    apartheid?..these people do not know apartheid.....they palnned mass meeting to get black students killed...they were supposed to be in the frontlines...steve biko died for what he believed in..and he part of the frontlines in the mass destruction of toppling bantu education....zuma was never an anc operative...just that his friend "mandela" put him in the seat for being part of the anc .....none of these people understand what freedom of speech is......this country is full of study you want to be a lawyer evern jobs on law are still force to stay at home and wait....there are so many jobs out work...florists..and a whole of other low paying but good jobs to keep you by...but people want the high paying job......"i want ti sit in an office and a drive a merc and have the biggest house....but i didnt even go to university....and as for varsity people....gunning for the things that you know 3million sudents are gunning for?....this country is going down in ruins...and just because brett murray exposed the true nature of the rot that is living amongst our midst..he did a good thing...apartheid has nothing to do with this painting....the greeks painted their leader leaders naked.....america has the a vast population of people drwaing and even painting presidents naked or caricatures...zapiro was sued 2million just for the justice is being raped cartoon..LETS FACE IT GUYS OUR PRESIDENT S NOTHING MORE THAN A FREELAODER

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-28 15:08

      Can I buy you a Bells?!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-28 15:18

      Thabo, here is a kiss for you. Kiss, kiss.

      jo.vankatwijk - 2012-05-28 15:25

      We need more people like Thabo.A.Selane!

      Azande - 2012-05-28 15:48

      I partially agree with your sentiment. just that your knowledge about ANC and african culture is a bit opaque. Zuma was indeed an ANC operative. Additionally, many condenm the painting due to its disrespectful nature which is against our culture as africans. The rest of the world can paint whoever they want, its their choice. We are not the world, we are SA, we differ hugely ito how we do and take things.

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-28 15:54

      Azande you seem like a reasonable and sensible person so please go read up on Protest Art Theory it has been around longer than SA has been colonized. That painting will never get banned, and can't be proclaimed as racist.

      Azande - 2012-05-28 16:04

      @jackal, i also do not agree that the painting is racist. murray as a white person is not expected to know what is valued most by blacks until he comes across a situation like this. that's how he learn other cultures, we on the other hand have a lot that we do not know or understand about white people. we just have to be tolerant of each other nd respect each others views.

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-28 16:14

      Well said.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-29 08:34

      @Azande....I'm not trying to be funny....but it strikes me as a hypercritical statement to say "It is against your culture and disrespectful to expose in public a male penis"..Why then, do most of your people...unzip their pants anywhere they wish...hang it out (for all to see)and wee...(also highly unhealthy).

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-29 09:21

      @Azande Indeed well said, and yes tolerance is built through an understanding of the unknown. Although trying to ban a painting because it is offensive to one person or group of people is preposterous. Especially if said art work falls in a category that has been around for so long.

      Msika - 2012-05-29 13:48

      @Azande So you post your first comment and you feel intimidated buy the numbers of dumbs down and the negative comments against, lol. Then you decide to make an excuse for the artist by saying, Murray is not expected to know what is valued most by blacks. Murray as an artist supposed to do his own homework and do a proper research about his work, before puplishing them in a gallery, not unless he's dumb and ignorant.

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-05-28 15:06

    History focuses on the negative. Unfortunately, this will be what Zuma will be remembered for. Like Mbeki is remember for his beetroot and garlic Health Minister. Nothing him or the ANC do now...can change people's perception.

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-28 15:06

    18 years after, apartheid this apparteid that. ANC is sure trying too keep it alive. Because of their lack of leader ship.

      dewalds3 - 2012-05-28 15:09

      It is al they have. No vision, no leadership, only a ghost from the past...

      Alf - 2012-05-29 08:58

      No longer leadership, but SPEARhead!

  • Dave - 2012-05-28 15:07

    Hope they are not marching to Cosatu headquarters, need to stock up on rocks and cement

  • Gaeleen - 2012-05-28 15:07

    What hogwash every damn thing is always blamed on apartheid if it impacts on a person of colour. I agree the painting should never have been exhibited it is rude, crude and degrading to any human being - bit IT IS NOT racist and has damn all nothing to do with apartheid. There will never be any unity in this country UNTIL you look forward and not backwards.

  • mart.botha - 2012-05-28 15:09

    WHAT A LOAD OF 'POPPYCOCK'. The New ANC has very little in common with the Old ANC, and if anything, the ancestors are pissing themselves laughing at this current crop of wannabees. The ancestors laid to rest the 'ghost of apartheid' in 1994 in the belief it was the right thing to do, it's the New ANC that keeps sniveling back and digging up old bones again because they are not equipped with either the ability or desire to move forward, albeit even one step at a time.

  • dericslab - 2012-05-28 15:09

    HAHAHAHA... the cANCer will just not drop this! I wish I had the money to buy that painting.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 15:13

      I think we should start an unofficial new SA public holiday. Where every SA citizen can join in. We will call it, 'Paint the Prez's P#nis Day'. Get those paint brushes ready !!!

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-28 15:30

      I think every right thinking citizen and business should with hold tax, .... see how long they last.

  • Bruce Johnston - 2012-05-28 15:11

    No, people who say something (painting) has awaken the ghost of apartheid, awake the ghost of apartheid.

  • Ron - 2012-05-28 15:11

    Racism is defined as discrimination due to ethnic origin. How does this painting contribute to "re-racialism"? Does the fact that the artist is White, while the subject is Black, constitute racism? I think not! It is a matter of DIGNITY and what's acceptable in CIVILISED society! The word "racist" is overplayed, and quoted out of context, in South African society.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:23

      """I think not! It is a matter of DIGNITY and what's acceptable in CIVILISED society!""" Lesson !; This is not acceptable in this Democratic RSA.

  • dylanswanie - 2012-05-28 15:13

    Its an attack on everything! Maybe this is to create fear into the hearts of the once ANC faithful. Or maybe it really was appartheids fault?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:22

      All our current Social problems are due to the past Evil regime.

      WysJouMys - 2012-05-28 15:35

      Ag fooi toggie :-( Want a cookie?

      bearpup - 2012-05-28 15:44

      And still Tamaranui can not explain why a black artist get's away with portraying prominent political activists (including Zuma). Please...can one of you ANC apologists give me a concise explanation why??? PLEASE????

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 18:23

      Bearpup, cos' you have manners , I shall respond; I didn't know of this piece of work neither have I viewed the Image. All I can say is that he should have been stoned along with Murray. If an example was made of this Indoctrinated fool ,who is disparaging our Leaders under the guise of Art. I would feel the same disgust if it were Zille's image. Responsibility comes with Democracy. RSA is new to this way of living and does not require these episodes. The road to Purgatory awaits if these childish antics continue.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-05-28 15:15 Ignorance, ignorance ignorance. When a white paints it, it's "racism, apartheid etc, and what ever other BS they can come up with. Yet when a BLACK man does it, .... not a frigging word.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-28 15:20

      heheheheheehhehe Hard to take yeah, Now you know how History still affects us....sob , sob , sob

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-28 15:32

      Shame Tammy, see your head is so far up your ass, you can't see the daylight either.

  • Hugh - 2012-05-28 15:16

    The spear awakens the ghosts of African racism. Since everything the white does or says that you dont like is ascribed and propagated as racism. Fact is the artwork of Zuma depicted in the Lenin pose (we all surly understand what that signifies)is symbolic of the ANC leadership with his nuts hanging out. Simple analogy to the rot corruption, theft and debortuary being committed by the ANC as a collective. You see white man insulting black man. Keep it up asholes, you're digging your own political grave. Hell even the fat boy liked it.

  • Ernietainment - 2012-05-28 15:17

    I was blind but now I see, this country is all about white against blacks. Let the best color wins.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-28 15:18

      The ANC will continue to play that card because it's in their interests to keep the race groups divided. This ANC regime are full of r@cists

  • dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-28 15:19

    makhura se mhura

  • Cedric - 2012-05-28 15:19

    Mr Makhura, if you "don't want this to be a Black and White issue", then you must stamp out the Race identification question on every single form that we South Africans have to complete. The ANC supposedly fought for a "non racial society", but 18 years on we are more fragmented than ever. I dream of the day when we can just all be South Africans, who love this Country and all its people. United we stand, divided we fall - not really a tough choice surely?

      eil33nn - 2012-05-28 16:50

      I want to start drawing a tick box with "human being" against it and tick that...