Winnie sounds warning

2011-10-30 15:30

Johannesburg - ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela has promised there will be a change in the leadership of the ruling party in Mangaung next year.

In what seems to be defiance of the ANC national executive committee decision to muzzle any debate on leadership succession, Madikizela-Mandela suggested that the party would not keep the same leadership next year.

“Next year, we will be voting in Bloemfontein and trust me, we’re not into recycling. We shall get a new leader,” she told guests at an event to mark the 60th ­anniversary of Drum magazine at Emperors Palace in Johannesburg.

Earlier that day, the veteran politician testified in favour of embattled ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema at his ­disciplinary hearing.

This is probably the most ­direct indication so far that Madikizela-Mandela supports the league’s bid to remove President Jacob Zuma in Mangaung next year.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe refused to comment on Madikizela-Mandela’s remarks, saying he considered them to be an act of ­“ill-discipline”.

Madikizela-Mandela reportedly blamed Zuma for Malema’s woes when she ­appeared before Malema’s disciplinary hearing on Wednesday.

She told SABC news that there was nothing wrong with Malema’s claim that land had been stolen from black people, and that the land needed to be ­returned.

Malema faces charges of sowing divisions in the ruling party and bringing it into disrepute.

The closing arguments in the disciplinary hearing are due to be heard on Thursday.

City Press’ attempts to speak to Madikizela-Mandela this week were unsuccessful.

Her public profile has increased in recent days, but it is not clear whether or not this is because of the internal squabble over leadership that will eventually be decided by the elective conference in Mangaung next year.
A Luthuli House insider said Madikizela-Mandela’s comment about leadership change suggested that she believed change was inevitable, irrespective of what the party branches want.

“This is not true. She is not the collective. If she loved Julius, she should be calling him to order,” said the source.

The source said the ANC stalwart’s “ill-discipline” was “undoing her history of dedication and discipline” in the ruling party.

“The issue is not who is leading the ANC, but the decision that has been taken on succession.

“When someone as senior as Winnie flouts ANC ­positions, she does so with many questions hanging over her ­intentions,” said the source.

  • Bokfan - 2011-10-30 10:30

    "If she loved Julius etc" This woman only loves money. Thats why she stole from the women's league

      Ann - 2011-10-31 09:54

      You are sooooo right - she even made use of cheques from the Nelson Mandela Children's fund to buy clothes from an exclusive boutique. I have the inside scoop on that one ...

      JMan - 2011-10-31 10:53

      These two people (Winnie & Juju) are the most dangerous people in SA. They can bring the whole of SA to the ground with their BS...and they are well on their way.

      Willie - 2011-10-31 11:11

      Why don't ANC call her to order ,or she one of the untouchables i'm asking

      Gareth - 2011-10-31 12:52

      Coackroaches starting to crawl out of the pun intended on woodwork.

      pcrous - 2011-10-31 15:03

      Mamma Winnie. You are so right. There will be a change in Leadership. You won't be there. Malema won't be there. Tokyo must be mindful or he won't be there. JZ is playing the wrong cards and he may not be there. Give a little time and Lindiwe will be there. You are misjudging the power of the Blacks who don't like the ANC. A lot of the old folk won't be there. Be careful, cause you will for sure not be there. Keep looking over your shoulder. The big bad wolf is on to you.

      Eugene - 2011-11-01 12:46

      "This woman only loves money." And the worlds antiracists and lefties gave it to her lavishly. What an irony.

      Cheryl - 2011-11-01 15:32

      What???? Did she steal from little children to buy herself designer clothes?? That is pure evil. Tells us all about the quality of character.

  • Alva - 2011-10-30 15:54

    If the ANC had any sense, they would get rid of Winnie. She is not an asset to them. Dump her in the same bag with Malema and move on. These two have done absolutely nothing to promote the cause of the ANC.

      Sealebareki - 2011-11-01 10:12


      alansmartSnr - 2011-11-20 03:54

      She was such an embarrasment to Madiba that he had to distantiate himself from her. Shows how sharp he was and saw what she really was. Pity her followers are too thick to see through her dishonesty and her power hungry appetite.. but sooner or later she'll lose her footing with them. Pun intended.

      Steve - 2012-04-11 14:51

      Hear hear!!

  • deidre.swanepoel - 2011-10-30 15:57

    winnie is a real wanabe, i wana be someone special and someone important but now im winnie mandela, whawhawha. im nobody, the only person who likes me is julius. whawhawha

  • Wally - 2011-10-30 16:09

    Ppl, we hv 2 all remember the support these 2 so-called idiots hv garnerned. Plz, whether they r educated or literate means nothing, in fact it is actually extenuating the dangerous situation this country is facing. Their ill-informed and absurd ideologies r 4 personal gain, but the uninformed, uneducated and illiterate masses will execute the wishes. We need the Ruling Party 2 educate its followers - ALL of THEM - and start collectively to propagate and showcase a future 2gether 4 all in this country, with reality at the top of the menu and no more wishful thinking and fatal promises. More importantly, this country needs 2 turn its face back 2 the Almighty God so that His face may shine brightly over this country and its government. God bless us ALL in this beautiful country with its beautiful ppl.

      Angela - 2011-10-30 16:44

      could you please write in english.

      Monique - 2011-10-31 08:22

      this is not mixit buddy! speak proper english.

      Ed - 2011-10-31 13:13

      what a wally

      Moss - 2011-10-31 13:41

      Hahaha, u got the message d***k head!!

      Peter - 2011-11-01 12:36

      I refuse to read items written like this. I agree, talk english.....please

  • Kevin - 2011-10-30 16:09

    Someone please tell the bloody criminals to shut up.Will the change involve kidnapping?

  • Saksak - 2011-10-30 16:11

    Our country has had 4 presidents in the last 17 years and now they want to install a new president. Some countries have only had one president and there's little hope for change. Thumbs up to South Africa, soon we will have a white president.

  • Michael - 2011-10-30 16:16

    Gotta love a vibrant democracy. When party insiders start taking on their leaders (as in the UK and USA), it's a sign that things are changing for the better :-)

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-31 09:36

      @Michael You might see a vibrant democracy. All I see is the fundamental flaws of the democratic system manifesting themselves and driving this country towards tyranny. And I ask myself, what have we learned in last 2500 years, if anything?

  • Joseph - 2011-10-30 16:18

    Winnie has no respect for the ANC and has a personal vendetta against the Leadership.The convicted comrade should be disciplined like the Malema she is standing by.Infact she was dismissed by former president Mandela for insubordination.She thinks she is above the organisation.The ANC is bigger than anybody.

      braamc - 2011-10-30 16:22

      Don't be so sure "the ANC is bigger than anybody" I will tell you, nope! Support base is shrinking, the masses slowly but surely waking up.

  • Craig - 2011-10-30 16:21

    She is just another scumbag, corrupt politician. all part of the cANCer killing our land.

  • Johan - 2011-10-30 16:28

    agge ja Winnie, you are a lost and forgotten criminal, i am not bothered by you prophecy

  • Anthony - 2011-10-30 16:30

    Neigh winnie cANCer

  • Angela - 2011-10-30 16:39

    Oh Winnie. you are so passed your sell by date. Why don't you retire and enjoy your grandchildren?

      Michael - 2011-10-30 23:27

      easy one Angela - because she scares them to such an extent they never come out the tree ;)

      nicolene1 - 2011-11-01 12:26

      haha michael!!!I laughed so hard I fell off my chair!

  • Barry - 2011-10-30 16:47

    One thing she does bring to us is clarity. There will be a change in the leadership of the ANC and therefore a new president of our country will emerge next year.

  • Koos - 2011-10-30 16:51

    The class of the ANC! Winnie and Julius. The typicals. Wonder if the alliance can stand with class like that.??

  • Andre - 2011-10-30 16:57

    Who is Winnie? Isn't she the thug riding around in a blue-light convoy pushing innocent people off the road, supposed to be injail for fraud, murder, theft etc? What an example for the youth like malema. Hahahahaha...

  • William - 2011-10-30 17:07

    perhaps STOMPY' is giving her this vision!

  • tpmpofu - 2011-10-30 17:29

    One would expect a bit more discipline and respect for the rules of the organisation from Winnie. Respect of your party's rules surpasses one's own ambitions. Pandering to the media will not help your cause.

  • Boknessers - 2011-10-30 18:17

    Is Winnie still the "Guitar Slaner" of the ANC if she can decide on what the Mangaung leadership will look like nest year. Although I hope her prediction comes true and the leadership changes to something more respectable and honest.

  • Mike - 2011-10-30 18:59

    Good grief!! The ANC is such a useless organisation old outsiders can influence the leadership! tick-tock-tick-tock Jesus is coming! Go back to your old age home Winnie, you are as bad as despot Malema and to no use to SA

  • Chirpy - 2011-10-30 19:12

    When you need to hide something detrimental to your reputation you call on Fatboy and his henchmen so it figures that when fatboy's in the dwang everybody will rally in his defence to give their tuppence worth. Winnie's had her day but alas, she'll never rise to the stature of this countries recently departed 'Grande Dames.'

  • Frikkie - 2011-10-30 19:19

    Wat is die verskil tussen hierdie dikgat en n seekoei? Die seekoei is 3kg ligter

  • werner.smidt - 2011-10-30 19:25

    So, after they got divorced, Winnie demanded: "I want . . I want 50 percent." from Nelson. So he gave her 13 years in prison. --Barry Hilton

  • ruben.maistry - 2011-10-30 19:26

    Ian, you idiot.Please make a constructive comment.You seem to be worse than the people you attack.

  • Cheryl - 2011-10-30 19:52

    Some one arrest this poisonous fraudster and child abuser....

  • George - 2011-10-30 20:01

    Anthony U R an absolute RSOL.

  • Sipho - 2011-10-30 21:03

    she must be the first to go. She is ineffective and lost to the realities of politics in South Africa.

      Willie - 2011-10-31 11:15

      When did she attend any parly proceedings

  • Myth - 2011-10-30 21:15

    Why, in a so-called democracy, do people who have nothing to do with the vote get to influence who will be president? Something stinks in this constitution of ours - not such a good model methinks.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-31 10:16

      Problem #2 with a centralised multi-party democracy. And so it shall always be...

  • Huey - 2011-10-30 21:23

    The last kicks of a dying horse...

      Albert - 2011-10-31 14:33

      Can you amagine what will happen to Winnie if Jakes gets a second term

  • peter.vanachter - 2011-10-30 21:39

    Is this has been for real, the poor thing still has no matric.

  • infijar.ken - 2011-10-30 21:51

    So much for Democracy. One person, one vote, and it seems that she would like us to know that she has it!

  • anselmo.coelho1 - 2011-10-30 22:10

    I have warned Mr. Zuma before about Winnie and i am going to say it again this woman has a score to settle and she is not going to stop unless someone who really loves South Africa stops her she has never been the mother of Africa like she was said to be, actually Mr;Mandela was wiser then what you can ever imagine he saw the deadly poison in that woman and let her go her own way because he did not one day be remembered for the things that Winnie has been involved in Eg; STOMPIE......get rid of her before she is going to get rid of you......Use your Zulu Warrior blood instincts do something before it too late........SINGALE BABA........

  • Robert - 2011-10-30 22:58

    She is a tyrant and will always be - Where is your GTI golf you so long in the past terrorised people, Stompie what ?- She has done more than that. She can never truthfully answer her deeds and will pay the price before GOD. Mama of the Nation's se Gat - Mama of evil yes. Sick old goat.

  • Mantsho - 2011-10-30 23:31

    You can never learn anything good from this woman except murder and torture,that's what she wants to do,to destroy South Africa.anyway Zuma is rubbish President.

  • Julie - 2011-10-31 03:03

    @saksak This is the new modern day " coupe de tat'.

  • Michele - 2011-10-31 07:52

    Did she make these comments before OR after her dailly intake of between 2 to 3 bottles of wine a day ?

  • debbie.pieterse - 2011-10-31 07:58

    Winnie..... the judgement of this woman is extremely clouded. Proved by the fact that she was an embarassment to Nelson Mandela and the fact that she murdered people like Stompie. Take her comments from where they come....and the company she keeps - Julius!!! What a comedic, ignorant situation these two are trying to force our country into. Wish she and Malema would bugger off to another country and leave us in peace.

  • paul.duplessis - 2011-10-31 08:01

    "The source said the ANC stalwart’s “ill-discipline” was “undoing her history of dedication and discipline” in the ruling party." We know Winnie's history, and it was never one of dedication and discipline, regardless of what "the source" says. Seems like justice that those who bred her now get to enjoy her.

  • Garreth - 2011-10-31 08:18

    Come on Lindiwe. Please do something about these stupid asses. Get them on your side .maybe things will change.

  • Chirpy - 2011-10-31 08:33

    Oh Winnie, Winnie, when will you realise that if Nelson couldn't stand your boring rhetoric the rest of us certainly shan't either. You're washed up sister - live with it.

  • Tlou - 2011-10-31 08:37

    ANC is going down the drain.It gives service delivery a cold shoulder by focusing on party issues.The likes of Winnie and Malema are detrimental to the South African Community and the African National Congress.Our erstwhile presidents never wanted to work with Winnie because they know her.Winnie is as bad as Malema.

  • Mark - 2011-10-31 09:05

    Ag Winnie - it's time to retire gracefully. You had your chances but you blew them.

  • ludlowdj - 2011-10-31 09:15

    It so sad that the black nation after fighting so many years for freedom has in less than 20 years sold out everything they fought for to corrupt criminals. Winnie, by all accounts is a real Joan or Arc.........someone should tie her to a tree and set her on fire. The big question is whether the black nation will come to its senses or whether they truly want to be slaves all their lives. The only thing that has changed in the last 18 years is the colour of the master.

      Mike - 2011-10-31 09:40

      Believe me, the old master was not just a different colour, but a lot better at running the country.

  • Steven - 2011-10-31 09:23

    Blah Blah Blah.....

  • Lionel - 2011-10-31 09:32

    This is great: these jerks are too busy squabbling like vultures over the tax coffers to actually govern - that leaves myself and others to carry on as before...

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-31 10:11

      Problem #1 of a centralised multi-party democracy. And so it shall always be...

  • Elaine - 2011-10-31 09:33

    Why is this woman not in jail?

  • Shirley - 2011-10-31 10:29

    Yup just like theres nothing wrong with being a murdress! She is jujus spokesperson or is he hers? She has corrupted,thieved,lied,killed-a wonderful role model!!!

  • Gail - 2011-10-31 10:41

    She is looking old and bitter these days is all I am going to say here. As long as she is not saying Julius should be the new leader let the dragon lady spew fire. Just sometimes she might get it right.

  • goolam.dawood - 2011-10-31 10:45

    She's a struggle stalwart. That means, when Helen Zille was being paid to find sensational stories, and have tea while discussing human rights, Winnie was actively fighting the regime. Maligning her doesn't change that what she says carries weight.

  • Washington - 2011-10-31 11:01

    Why are these so called liberation movements in Africa so afraid of debate on leadership change. I thought it should be the ethos of liberation and liberation parties. I need to be "advised". Maybe.

  • isabel.porzio - 2011-10-31 11:06

    Oh Winnie the Pooh, just drop dead will you??? You're way over your expiry date!!!