Plan to disband over support of Zuma: ANCYL

2011-09-24 22:50

Durban - The national ANCYL leadership wants to disband the KwaZulu-Natal executive because it is backing President Jacob Zuma for a second term, the provincial youth wing’s executive said on Saturday.

"The sin we committed is being loyal to the resolution of the congress that elected us to support Zuma’s second term as ANC president," Sboniso Duma told reporters at a special meeting in Durban.

The meeting was convened to discuss the possible disbandment of the ANC Youth League provincial executive, allegedly by the national leadership.

Duma said the talk of disbanding was real, and being driven by the "factionalist" ANCYL national executive.

The provincial executive committee lambasted its secretary Bheki Mtolo for trying to divide the ANCYL so that Zuma’s support would be weakened.

"This will never be allowed under our guard. Dividing the ANC in our name should never be allowed in this province."

The committee said the decision to not bus people to ANC headquarters in Johannesburg, for youth league leader Julius Malema's disciplinary hearing, was being counted against them.

The provincial executive committee convened a meeting before Malema's appearance where the decision to send people to Johannesburg was rejected by the majority of its members.

"We remain convinced that the decision we took for not sending any member to march against our Luthuli House was correct and within the principles of the organisation."


Mtolo was said to be among those who believed sending people to Johannesburg was a good idea. Malema supporters clashed with the police and they reportedly burnt flags and T-shirts bearing Zuma’s face.

The provincial executive committee accused Mtolo of neglecting his duties. It was now demanding him to choose between his ANCYL post and his deputy mayor position.

Mtolo, Malema’s strong ally, is also a mayor of Kokstad Municipality on the KwaZulu-Natal’s south coast. The ANCYL and deputy mayor positions are both full-time.

"We are of the view that this double parking of our provincial secretary negatively affects the functioning of the organisation while [it] is also negatively impacting on service delivery."

Mtolo has been given until Monday to choose between the posts.

"To this end we are going to write to the ANC in the province and nationally requesting assistance on these issues."

Provincial ANCYL leader Mthandeni Dlungwane said they had been informed by some ANCYL national executive members that the disbandment of the provincial structure was imminent.

Mtolo was not immediately available to comment.

ANCYL general secretary Sindiso Magaqa said he was not aware of any disbandment.

“I don’t know what these people are talking about. There is no such decision,” he said.

  • Joe_Public - 2011-09-24 23:09

    Halfwits everywhere!

      DarwinEvolution - 2011-09-24 23:24

      Made in China...will work short term..but dont expect it to last.

      Blip - 2011-09-25 00:35

      They used to say that about Made in Japan a while back. Nonsense, of course. As is this.

      Dave50 - 2011-09-25 05:07

      We hear daily about the "Fight that was for FREEDOM" where is the freedom the people fought for, but it is used by this group as a rallying call when they were never there.?.An internal group differ and have NOT got the FREEDOM to choose and are punished, there's something wrong here.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-25 07:20


      MaanDonkie - 2011-09-25 07:34

      So if you dont agree with Julius Delema and Floyd Skebenga you're stuffed!!!African Democracy at best......trolls!!! - 2011-09-25 11:36

      Proof again of just WHO! is running this country.....despot malema and his cronies!!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-24 23:12

    Bunch of idiots -- 3rd world comments and thinking

      proudandpink - 2011-09-25 01:22

      And just a few years ago they were going on a rampage about 'killing for Zoomer'! No doubt history will repeat itself and in another few years they'll be trying to oust whoever is the flavour of the month at the moment. How many decades will it take before common sense prevails and these clowns learn the way life works.

      labanimal - 2011-09-25 09:18

      @proudandpink - Hello sister!, not in our lifetimes! Idiocy is bred into them! What Malema's spouting will have consequences for generations to come! too much damage has been done by the ANC and their followers! It takes hundreds of times longer to fix something than breaking it! and as far as I can see, its not getting any better, not even a little bit! Eyeing out New Zealand! Hoping to find myself a nice Hobbit hole I can call home away from this mess! ;) I will miss this country, but not what its becoming!

  • tootingdel - 2011-09-24 23:18

    This is disturbing - political leaders must accept difference. Without that we have dictatorship. What next - if they can't remove people they don't like do they have them bumped off? Sounds v ZANU-PF to me. It can't be healthy

      GTA_Lad - 2011-09-24 23:47

      That wouldnt be called dictatorship, that would be called African Democracy

      Grayman - 2011-09-25 07:11

      @GTA - In Africa we have a system called dictocracy. It's where you fight for the right to vote a despotic government into power which immediately massages the constitution to ensure that you cannot vote them out of power again.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-25 07:20

      Democracy will never work in Africa A dictatorship will work better A Good dictatorship will be excellent(We support dictatorships).But where will we find a good one?

      gksa - 2011-09-25 08:55

      @RACINGCAT - A good dictatorship? There is no such thing. Give one person or a small group of people all the power, and they will invariably abuse it...

  • leonard - 2011-09-25 00:04

    This is possibly the best political news I have read in a long,long time.The ANC is hopefully starting to implode from within it`s own ranks.Think about these pearls of wisdom before making further comment.The repercussions can only be good for South Africa.

      Atholl - 2011-09-25 01:52

      Leonard - why the incurious obvious - hav u already forgotten the invasion What about: .... the Botswana Invasion .... the Invasion of farms .... the Bloody Agents .... the Corruptors and the Corruptees .... the destruction of the constitution .... and on and on .... But the Invasion - the excitement, the tnt, the napalm, the wmd's, the shrapnel, the trenches, the tracers ... gee man, it'll be like guy fawkes every day ! imagine that! no respect, no trust, no constitution, no rights ... that's what these guys stand for ! that's what the government want, that's what the 'people' want ??

      leonard - 2011-09-25 05:33

      @Atholl,,,,,Really do not understand your comments.Do you agree or disagree with what I have said?

      Buffalo - 2011-09-25 07:27

      Atholl - hope that you did not drive home in that state. Or was it merely fatigue?

      Colin Dovey - 2011-09-25 08:28

      Yes @Atholl I agree with @Leonard - you confused me as well - what is your point?

      realist03 - 2011-09-25 15:00

      While they fight amongst themselves for the spoils of their racism,the clever and cunning(multi racial) will be plotting and planning a regime change and real democracy

  • chris.khanye - 2011-09-25 00:12

    The ANC is imploding and the root cause is pre and post Polokwane shenanigans. Malice was the weapon of choice for the present leadership to ascend to power. Vulgar became the new medium of instruction of self-styled revolutionaries. Dissent or alternative opinion became counter revolutionary. One particular individual became a very menacing miss-guided missile, yet since the weapon wasn't aiming at home, it posed no threat. Now the weapon of terror is pointing right at home and most scatter and jostle for cover while others attempt to disarm the warhead which is about to alienate some if not most. Polokwane was not about patriotism, principle nor moral but hatred of an individual. The tsunami unleashed at Polokwane is about to hit Mangaung with destructive consequences - again an individual is the target!

      Blip - 2011-09-25 00:36

      Well, it's all good, isn't it? Divide and rule!

      Vince York - 2011-09-25 10:09

      I'd say Chris analysis is pretty fair in an historical viewpoint! BUT I doubt any of the millions still washing (wasteful of capital taxi's that have aircraft & soon ships as assets), or others sitting on pavements selling from cardboard on bricks that they are there precisely because of having voted for whom they voted for in previous elections WILL READ THESE COMMENTS nor ever hear them spoken out. The balance that have been sponged up into the government services and earn good money for little return spend most of their time doing the customary practice of bristling around the maidens in ZAR and other bars these days watching the flick up the skirts amongst flying chunks of raw fish instead of a group outing down at the river-sides as for the past centuries, and couldn't be bothered. Psychologically Polokwane did its damage - look how other extreme Mbeki is today to wash himself off from the taint of having a eurocentric education - in his reemergence to 'discover or manufacture' leaders around the continent ISOLATED & OPPOSED to rest of world! Electric shock treatment couldn't have been more effective with after rewards of honey being the sudden zuma to mbeki extended olive branch dripping with unlimited poisoned MONEY. Emasculating true!

      john_jones - 2011-09-25 14:06

      @hris as they say 'Ukhamba luphuze imbiza'.Ne ?

  • - 2011-09-25 02:40

    The beginning of the end of the a/n/c,(done this way because certain words are picked up by new s 42 and they delete)Drolema is heaven sent.Split in their inner sanctum is what is happening,light at the end of the tunnel!The factions between them cannot be overcome.Notice how quiet the neanderthal has been the last 3 weeks? My prediction is Zille president in 8 years!They imploding,too greedy,self centered,egotistic and biggest problem is a massive inferiority complex.Zuma about to fire Cele,Madonsela seemingly on the ball,country's finances not to bad and a good constitution (moegoe is a slight hickup)on our side things are not looking to bad.drolema is our saviour.May the forces be with all realistic voters.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-25 07:22

      Drolema has been very quiet lately......

  • James - 2011-09-25 03:39

    dont you just love a democracy? - 2011-09-25 03:53

      They were not created for how do you spell that?

  • Beancounter - 2011-09-25 03:53

    deny deny deny. ANC policy since...

      Jodida - 2011-09-25 07:05

      I agree, deny, deny, deny and when you feel you gonna admit, deny again. anc idiots. The only decision and agreement they can do properly is "STEALING" our taxes.

      john_jones - 2011-09-25 14:16

      @Beancounter. Ja. Deny this deny that. 'Ny' this.'Ny' that. Take a shower carry on 'nying' anything that moves and most esp 'ny' the country for all it is worth while it is still there.

  • Ian - 2011-09-25 04:09

    i always knew they had dirty dishwater for brains but now im not so sure, seems like theres sweet stuff all between those fat ears

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-25 07:23

      Not even air..

  • kleinkoppi - 2011-09-25 05:35

    Well if the president of the ANCYL gets R20 000 a month, how much does a provincial executive get. I'm sure a deputy mayors position get paid for more than R20 000 a month, so I would much rather go for the bigger pay if I were him... Just my 2c...

      Ian - 2011-09-25 06:05

      R20.000 my ass, more like R200.000

      Buffalo - 2011-09-25 07:32

      Ian, you are wrong! The glorious ANC would never over-pay their hard-working, well-mannered, honest, impartial, law-abiding, intelligent servants to the poor.

      john_jones - 2011-09-25 14:43

      Actually Ian there is no need for them to pay them anything at all. They are perfectly suited to become overnight tenderopolistic millionaires. The 'salary' is just a bit of sushi on the top.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-25 05:51

    Definitely Malema is divisive.

  • Nzx - 2011-09-25 06:50

    SA politicians positioning themselves for the Malema era, the SA political arena will never be the same again. The new phase of yje struggle is finally targeting what Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma missed, economic freedom of those who live in squatter camps, the dirty little SA secrets , hidden away behind walls , conveniently out of the way, behind the hill, other side of the rail tracks etc. Bus, train and taxi the squatters in to do the dirty work, at night, send them back to where they come from. Build the economy with their blood, sweat and tears, well, they are now claiming their place in the sun, and Malema is their man, warts and all.

      leonard - 2011-09-25 07:11

      @Nzx,,,,,,,No.The fault lies squarely with the ANC interpretation of what is good for the country.From `94 if all the money wasted on armaments,soccer world cup,self enrichment etc. had been utilized for the upliftment of the populace,we would not be in the sorry mess we are in today.Malema does not have the knowledge or capacity to uplift the masses with his rhetoric.I hope that sane rational seniors within the ANC will shut him down for good,and get foreign investors back to help build the country.The person I feel most sorry for is Mr.Mandela,his vision of a successful united SA is going down the toilet as we speak.

      Buffalo - 2011-09-25 07:40

      If mandela really gave a flying f**k for the people, he would have done something years ago. His policies of self-enrichment and his inability to manage the country are mirrored by the performances of all those that followed. Hi sugar-coated words blinded everyone to the fact that he is anc first and foremost, then a South African. What has he said or done with regards the slaughter and rape of white farmers. Not a peep! The cistern was filled for a successful flushing of SA down the toilet in `94, when mandela invited SA Big Business to meet with him and `bring your chequebooks' was his only demand.

  • john2011 - 2011-09-25 06:51

    eish no... we dont like it! we must break it!

  • Thingamebob - 2011-09-25 07:22

    Zuma said he only wanted to do one term.

  • Counter-spin - 2011-09-25 07:34

    Something of great interest here is the fact that Bheki Mtolo is holding down 2 posistions, ANCYL Kwazulu Sectretary as well as being the deputy mayor of Kokstad. Both are supposed to be full time and I am sure both posistions are paying a decent salary, as well as all the other tender perks. More and more it is proven that the source to real wealth is through getting involved in ANC politics. No wonder the ANC party membership is growing so rapidly, everybody is now wanting a place at the trough.

  • Heimirich van der Merwe - 2011-09-25 07:37

    Where is the choice, is this true freedom... So if you don't do as we want we disband you, this seems very autocratic!!!

  • RACINGCAT - 2011-09-25 07:48

    Disband....I like the word...Disband deesband of theeves.....hau too much nice...

  • Born To Fish - 2011-09-25 07:50

    And so the implosion starts

  • RACINGCAT - 2011-09-25 07:52

    Now we take the rubber band out of juju and see if it still works.we can start a whole website of rubber band jokes.......enough already see what you are making me do..

  • M5 - 2011-09-25 08:00

    ANCYL looking for Centralization of Power... Well, that's exactly what the ANC wants for South Africa... Remove Provincial Government and centralize power to the National level... These morons are too self-centered and want to clinch-on to power for as long as possible. Democracy cannot last under these conditions!

  • Bok Fan - 2011-09-25 08:05

    Double parking hey. Standing still in both jobs but being paid double. Moenie warrie nie. Its the yob league way.

  • malcolm - 2011-09-25 08:09

    Oh, so democracy and free thinking are obviously not on the ANCYL agenda! One party state, here we come!!

  • v3 - 2011-09-25 08:19

    It seems the ANCYL is torn between Malema - who strategically deploys cronies and packs party & League delegations - so as to cover-up his corruption and ensure his family gain unwarranted wealth and Zuma - who strategically deploys cronies and packs party & League delegations - so as to cover-up his corruption and ensure his family gain unwarranted wealth. The difference is the one is a cunning trickster with great charm & charisma and no honesty who appeals to his constituency's basest instincts while the other is a cunning trickster with great charm & charisma and no honesty who appeals to his constituency's basest instincts.

      My5cents - 2011-09-25 11:07

      @V3 the difference is that one pulled a cunning stunt and the other is a stunning ....

  • Spiwo - 2011-09-25 09:08

    i support ANCYL on this one, i strongly believe that ZUMA doesn't deserve the second term, in fact he did NOT even desrve to be a MAN to LEAD US ANYWAY coz he's not only a stupid leader but he was MADE TO BE AN IDIAT 4 LIFE AND A CRIMINAL. i hope and PRAY that the ANC will elect a XHOSA leader this time aronnd, as the HISTORY is telling us that they can lead with INTEGRITY & VISION WICH THE ZULU's........... SOUTH AFRICA RISA, PLZ RISA AGAIN. AFRICA RENICESSENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      leonard - 2011-09-25 11:03

      @Spiwo..........I said in my first post on this forum that the ANC were imploding.Having read your comments,it`s more like an atomic implosion.Not only do we have factional splits but now tribal splits as well.As a DA supporter,can`t wait for the next elections.BTW,before you next post,try using the spell check.

  • Mybra - 2011-09-25 09:09

    This "bussing in" business makes me laugh. Guess I should look into the "bussing-them-in business" and make myself some money.

  • guytom - 2011-09-25 10:07

    Bunch of idiots is all I can come up with

  • Ianofborg - 2011-09-25 10:20

    let them split... it gives the DA a lead in the next round of votes. Freedom for all south africans!!!

  • kseyffert - 2011-09-25 11:32

    Take heed of our youth. They have no respect for our elders or the proccesses in place for governance. The path they walk is the one to anarchy. Beware...

  • amabok - 2011-09-25 12:03

    The ANCYL in its entirety should be disbanded.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-09-25 14:13

    The more splits the better. Divided they fall!

  • Frans Smith - 2011-09-25 18:09

    As they say; "No honour amongst thieves" ... then throw in a few hundred million SA rands and see these scumballs fight it out. Similar to the vultures i saw in the Kruger - just as ugly also. This infighting will continue untill SA has nothing left. Then they will stand with their hands cupped, waiting for handouts from the rest of the world.

  • gugu sheszi - 2011-09-26 00:53

    The whole anc youth league needs to be dissolved; it heas lost direction. it is too tribalistic and racist in its approach.

  • Nge - 2011-09-26 10:09

    In this one term, Zuma and his family have made enough for themselves and future generations. So lets somebody else a chance.

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