Tighten affirmative action laws: Zuma

2011-09-13 20:10

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma says government was contemplating increasing fines for companies not advancing the employment and promotion of historically disadvantaged individuals.

Speaking before the National Assembly on Tuesday, Zuma referred to the employment equity report released by Labour Minister Mildred Oliphant in August.

Zuma said: "It is with great disappointment that the advancement of black people has been so slow."

According to the 11th Commission on Employment Equity Annual Report, black people accounted for 86% of SA's estimated 50 million people, but they only made up 16.9% of top management and 35.9% of senior management level.

Zuma also said that changes to the labour legislation would mean that foreign people who entered the country before 1994 or who became citizens before that year would not help companies meet their affirmative action targets.

  • Freeworld - 2011-09-13 20:16

    so what!

      jbjoe - 2011-09-13 20:31

      and these stats are flawed!..according to the actual report, if you are an entrepreneur (aka a one-man-show..aka jobjess) you fall under 'top management' too....dont be fooled

      THE-SRG - 2011-09-13 20:32

      haven't you done enough damage zuma?....i will fire my guys and move elsewhere and i will enjoy the look on their face as i say its your own fault for voting for these corrupt idiots,you dont hire people for their skin zuma,you hire the best man for the job with the best qualifications,when i leave it will be more unemployed people that i leave behind but i really dont care about them as they have shown me that they are the new breed of guys made by you and the ANC.Gone are the guys that work hard and appreciate work,all my best guys from malawi left because of your new government,the guys i have now i wont feel the least pity when i leave them jobless,and its your fault zuma

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-09-13 20:41

      AA produced presidents like him and millionaires like Malema. Banana republic.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-13 20:42

      @Overprivileged_Underprivileged, blah blah snore..

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-13 20:47

      Wealth distribution? Are you black? Can you create wealth? Yes? Then step forward. Don't give me statistics on jobs. Show me the statistics on the number of black businesses that have started up.

      Politbiero - 2011-09-13 20:50

      @OVERPRIVILEGED_UNDERPRIVILEGED: You refer to 400 years of oppression. In 1652 the Dutch came here. They could read, write, navigate, compute, calculate, lay out towns etc. The locals could not. It did not make them better people than the locals. But the fact is that the point of departure was uneven for a start. And that difference was not caused by the colonialists, they found it like that. Could it truly be argued that the fact that some whites have more than others is purely because of discrminiation?

      Born To Fish - 2011-09-13 20:57

      Overprivileged_Underprivileged because we are better than you! Sorry ne!

      wdvilliers - 2011-09-13 20:58

      @OU yes keep on is always somebodies fault...I want to be empowered but I do not want had 400 years to shake the chains but you just pathetically sat there accepting it all and you want me to be sorry for you....time to start pulling finger guys are laggin, lazy and happy about it...time to pull finger...but first pull it out...

      Amanzimtoti - 2011-09-13 21:03

      @ Overprivileged_Underprivileged... what about the black diamonds? how do they not take some of the blame for this... all the struggle did was take power away from the minority, and redistribute it to another minority (a few "comrades"). Black people need to stop using white people as their scapegoats... apartheid ended 17 years ago, and what leaps and bounds has the ANC made since then? make stricter BEE legislation? Really? Keep babying Africans so that a few of them can make a few billion rand each while the majority live in squalor...

      Hux - 2011-09-13 21:05

      This has nothing to do with employment. Just another avenue for income to steal.

      mystae - 2011-09-13 21:09

      @Overprivileged_Underprivileged Apartheid lasted for 46 years. Black people moved to South Africa about 700 years ago. You waged a war on the then inhabitants to claim the land. Just saying.

      scipio - 2011-09-13 21:09

      exactly, so bloody what!

      grod - 2011-09-13 21:09

      @ Over_Under - nice satire man... you cant be taken seriously...

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-13 21:15

      Overprivileged_Underprivileged 400 years of oppression, strange without 400 years of oppression every other African country has a lower standard of living than South Africa. It is even stranger that African countries which have been independent for 50 years or more has a lower standard of living than South Africa. It is so strange that you think white people oppressed black people when it seems to me like black people always blame a 3rd party for their own problems, which is why there are millions of poor people without education and with many children. You know what my forefather did the last 100 years? Where there wasn't schools they built schools themselves, where there wasn't resources enough to support large families they kept their population in check. The best example to demonstrate African behaviour was at my old school, the top ten in a 94% black school was 7 whites, 1 indian, 2 blacks and the 2 blacks didn't have higher grade maths or science. That is why white people earn more, because they are paid fairly for what they do.

      grod - 2011-09-13 21:15

      Zuma is right. The stats cant hide the results of indiscriminate breeding!

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-13 21:32

      The more children black people can have, the higher the percentage they can take of the jobs, farmland and property, plus they get childcare grants. So there is basically no incentive to have less children.

      Colin - 2011-09-13 21:33

      you keep on deleting and i'll keep posting, Overprivileged_Underprivileged or rather polidonki what I hate about the word underprivileged is that it does not given the reason for being underprivileged, laziness and being unwilling to take responsibility for your own life. easier to blame the whites while living of their hard earned tax money

      audi.quattro - 2011-09-13 21:38

      @OU... seriously wft?! if it wasnt for white ppl ud still live in a mud hut drinking cow blood as a meal. If you want something get off ur lazy ass and take it! thats what whites did, they worked for where they are and what they got! yes we oppressed u for so long and blah blah blah but its not the dutch's fault that african natives at the time were not good enough to help run the civilized world, u may be better at it now but still not at the right level to run it. the truth hurts, start dealing with it damit

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-13 21:40

      How does Zuma think he is going to get my money? I'm not living in South Africa due to violence and racism. I'm a professional, but so is my brother in law, my sister has a masters degree, my parents both have 2 degrees, my aunt is a scientist... we're all living outside of South Africa. Keep it up ANC, I'd like more of my family and friends to join me here. Once the ANC has gotten rid of all skill and productive citizens they'd all be millionaires like in Zim and baas van die kraal.

      jbjoe - 2011-09-13 22:00

      "historically disadvantaged individuals" i repeat HISTORICALLY!......its flippen history my bru; get over it

      Spade - 2011-09-13 22:23

      It seems to me that Zuma is trying to appeal to the Malema supporters with this statement. AA is an obvious failure, and can only be addressed by making bold choices such as raising the quality of education and accepting a high black failure rate to start with. AA has filled what should be productive positions with 2nd and 3rd rate employees, simply because they are black. They have only succeeded in lowering the accepted standard, in order for the next wave of 2nd and 3rd rate employees to lower the bar further. It is time to face the facts: AA is draining our economy. The gradual decline in quality of education means our competency levels and productivity are also declining. We are now a typical African country. We blame the "colonialists" for our poor living standards, and increasingly become dependant on handouts. Africa can only blame Africa. A continent of failures.

      The Wonderer - 2011-09-13 22:34

      Dear Zuma, Your administration has wasted R10 BILLION already AND counting through fraud, corruption and maladministration. Pretty soon the white man will be seen as "previously disadvantaged" as it's been more than 17 YEARS now since your party has incorporated AA and BBEEE, which is BLATANT racist policies in my view. Why is it that the ANC NOW wants to holds companies accountable for THEIR (ANC) failures, THEIR (ANC) corruption, fraud and maladministration which has push THIS country to the edge of NATIONAL BANKRUPTCY?? It's high time the ANC takes responsibility for THEIR (ANC's) failures AND STOP holding the TAX paying citizens ransom for the ANC's short comings! THIS nonsense can only carry on for so long before the PEOPLE has had enough and throw in the towel and through rage destroy which has taken so long to build. It is HIGH time the opposition stands up and hold the ANC to account and say, enough is enough, you're ruining this beloved country of ours through ALL your corruption and fraud going on! The person who is supposed to be in charge and TAKE charge has absolutely NO back bone, can't keep an unruly youth in check, can't make timely decisions, can't hold MP's to account. THIS country is on a knifes' edge, I say step the hell aside and LET someone take control of this already OUT OF CONTROL situation and steer it into a direction where we ALL could work as one to a BETTER feature. ANC, your time is up, time to man up and step aside!

      Spyker May - 2011-09-13 22:43

      If the ‘Equity Employment’ Act was in fact about the ADVANCEMENT of black people, most white SAcans may indeed have endorsed the notion – it however has NOTHING to do with the advancement of any person in SA. It has nothing to do with ‘Equity Employment’, but rather ‘Equity UNEMPLOYMENT’ – the aim is not to lift black people, but rather to stifle- and inhibit white people; to economically inhibit white people to the extent that would effectively turn the country into an ECONOMIC CONCENTRATION CAMP for white SAcans. What Zuma is calling for is brazen QUOTAS – ‘quotas’ have NOTHING to do with the advancement of any person, it is about insidious reprisal, vote hunting and inevitably about artificially protecting a political standing. The evidence of the overt damage- viz failure of AA (specifically EE), is overwhelming – from state-, municipal-, to quasi-state functions, as it is in black owned enterprises (eg Aurora). It is therefore overtly clear that AA/EE per se and the –QUOTAS do NOT serve to advance black people in any manner whatsoever... QUOTAS are grossly unconstitutional and it is time for it to be challenged in the Constitutional Court. As it is time for individuals who are constructively prohibited from moving freely in the economy to sue the ANC for damages. The ANC is openly sanctioning HATE (speech) against white SAcans (viz it is a de facto notion) and now the President of SA is explicitly calling for the economic oppression of white SAcan...

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-09-13 23:40

      It's simple - Get less children, as the "advantaged does" and educate them. Simple. Even if you have two, the burden on the state for bursaries will be much less.... Oooo, sorry - I forget, we are talking with logically depraved persons. There is the disadvantage - Logically impaired... If you can't make sacrifices or think logical on a situation, then obviously you will not progress. It is common sense, if you have it. For the other disadvantaged minorities - I guess it is time to leave SA after all. You cannot explain logistics to someone who makes noises to gain popular support, but without any logical backing. It is simple, throughout history success was preceded with sacrifices, even if it means cultural sacrifices - put that in your pipe and smoke it Overprivileged_Underprivileged. Europeans was also cave dwellers prior to making cultural sacrifices. The term sacrifice refers to a change of lifestyle, in order to reap the future rewards of the sacrifice. SA will never be successful, even if the wealth is distributed - They will still suffer, if not more - They can take my dumplings which I saved, I will still have my qualifications and experience, I will just pack up and leave. My savings will be pissed out with one party of Julius Malema. As jy dom is, is jy dom, geen pille daarvoor nie. En as jy dom is moet jy dan maar sukkel. The stupidity is amazing, talking about biting the hand that feeds you. Hulle moet maar aan donner, ek is klaar met Afrika.

      Cynical175 - 2011-09-14 00:25

      The Continent of Africa. The birth place of present civilization. The continent that had a head start of a few hundred thousand years on the rest of the world. Here is a comment from somebody else which I thnk describes Africa quite well. How is it that the cradle of mankind is in africa and yet they remain the most socially, technologically,financially and educationally under developed continent on the planet,even after having thousands of years head start on the rest of the world. It`s like time has stood still in africa

      The_Realist - 2011-09-14 06:44

      have a read for a diferent perspective...

      limpie - 2011-09-14 07:50

      @Cynical175, The reason for this is that thousands of years ago when humans started exploring the world only the brave and smart ones did so. The cowards and the lazy ones stayed behind to watch the “kraal”. Upon return (1652) they found them still sitting under the tree breeding and ensuring that there is enough pap for dinner for him for today only. Seems that history repeats itself. The brave and smart is now leaving again. If you want to know what they will find upon their return in a thousand years, look north!

      Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-09-14 07:58

      @srg - I feel the same. I have 128 "previously disadvantaged" people on my payroll. Most of them threaten me with unions daily and are incompetent, but I hate taking bread out of families mouths. I'm at the point of selling my 7 small businesses and firing all staff and heading back to the corporate world. I will tell that staff to go ask the government for jobs as they forced the closure of my business and as such caused their unenployment. The cANCer is making life unbearable.

      Yomar Sapus - 2011-09-14 07:59

      Overprivileged_Underprivileged aka Mr feel sorry me for cos I is black, Emanicipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds... Written by some famous guy.

      Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-09-14 08:02

      @Overprivileged_Underprivileged - dude, the white man is priviledged because he WORKED for what he has today. I was in school when apartheid ended and WORKED to have businesses and had months where I did not know where the food to feed my family will come from. The "begging bowl squad" needs to get off their @asses and GO WORK for what you want. Banks and government is more willing to help under priviledged people with funding than the white folk, but it seems that WORKING is just to much of an effort. Stop deemanding and go do something to improve your situation

      Spyker May - 2011-09-14 10:09

      I have to add that I simply do not believe the figures given here. The state (is municipalities, state-owned businesses, state/ANC major share-holders, etc) is/are now the single biggest employer/s in SA - the 'state' is (frankly) black.., no other way to describe it. At the risk of egg on my face, I will state without a moment of hesitation that these figures are incorrect (if not grossly so) and intended to serve a political purpose and NOT to benefit black people in SA.

      d2eguy - 2011-09-14 10:45

      zuma the racist idiot has yet another f@%$ed up idea.

      daaivark - 2011-09-14 11:57

      Hetrohero, are you a bit confused?

      daaivark - 2011-09-14 12:03

      Wolraad Woltemade and fellow drowning horsemen, your blatant racism does no-one any favours. I seriously believe that the time for AA is over, but let's not descend to the level you do, in order to say that. You talk glibly about having fewer children (in other posts as well) and educating those one has, but the standard of language you use shows clearly that even education has not benefitted all those who had the priviledge. Being racially abusive does not constitute useful debate.

      AJ2 - 2011-09-14 14:11

      The performance of the ANC in government is, in itself, a glaring indictment on AA policy if you think about it...

      umlaut - 2011-09-14 14:52

      We used to have whites in government (pre mandela) and the country was running ok,,then came the anc and bee in politics---Look what the blacks (you) have done to government when you took over--now you want the same mess with business.???????????????????????????

      umlaut - 2011-09-14 15:02

      The president seems to have an extra hatred for whites since somebody,-- that happened to be white,-- spilled good liquor on him. We have a this another notch on the genocide scale--A PRESIDENT picking on a small minority group-----??????????

      Denise - 2011-09-14 16:14

      TRUE STORY Eskom IMPORTS black employees from countries such as the USA and UK to work for Eskom to help Eskom reach its Affirmative Action targets. Black AMERICANS and BRITS recruited by Eskom to fill skilled labour positions for the sake of Affirmative Action targets.

      Spyker May - 2011-09-14 17:45

      Denise, It is more than "...for Eskom to help Eskom reach its Affirmative Action targets..." - it is a willful means to exclude white South Africans from the SAcan economy. It has NOTHING to do with the 'upliftment' of black SAcans - it is a hate-filled, insidious campaign, to turn SA in an ECONOMIC CONCENTRATION CAMP for white SAcans.

      RiRo1 - 2011-09-15 09:07

      @Spyker May NO, it means that they KNOW the black SOUTH AFRICANS are not COMPETENT. There are more than enough blacks to fill those positions in South Africa, YET they turn to foreign countries. Read between the lines.

      PikeLee - 2011-09-15 11:17

      From the daily maverick: history does repeat itself. Julius Malema says: ‘We must control the economy - it’s in the hands of the whites.’ Hitler said: ‘We must control the economy - it’s in the hand of the Jews.’ Hitler appealed to the millions of Germans who had no jobs, after the First World War. Malema appeals to the millions of South Africans who don’t have a job after the apartheid era. I’m very careful about these comparisons because they are very dangerous. But do not underestimate the incredible craftiness of people who make noises on the sidelines and then move into the centre. Hitler also went to jail in the twenties. He wrote ‘Mein Kampf’ and then came out and ruled Europe. So if Julius Malema is thrown out of the ANC, I think he may form his own party. It’s a very interesting time - very dangerous, but very interesting.”

      Jynxd - 2011-09-15 11:21

      At risk of sounding like a total lunatic, why not bring back segregation policies and see if the disadvantaged populous can support itself. If it can, well perhaps Zuma you may have a VERY vague point. . .

      King147 - 2011-09-15 13:58

      If we are to introduce tougher affirmative action laws then we need intellectuals who would make positive implementation and baby sit the process without hurting our business. I dont think the current regime has what it takes to do this, What you should be concerned about as a President is the number of graduates who are unemployed regardless of colour! from there we can start by laying a foundation for our future

      WHITE MAN - 2011-09-15 14:14

      AAG OOM ZUMA...... Ek kan nie glo jy is so flippen STUPId Nie.WAt de F*K gaan aan met jou Nasie Huh? Julle dink in REVERSE<-------KOm Net F8kken reg asb.Julle trek als deur die gat!

      texx - 2011-09-15 16:23

      Its fine then zuma-tella, go ahead make it harder young white ppl to make a live for themselves. All you going to achieve is watching us work harder more efficient and overcoming any racist obstacles you can put in our way. There’s a reason why we the superior race, all of hell cant stop us....YOU WILL SEE WE NOT SCARDED EITHER!!!!!!!!!!

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-15 19:32

      they can stand on their heads ,i will never employ an aa, ee or bee or whatever they are called these days in my business

      Boeretroos - 2011-09-15 21:25

      I support action of a different sort - Fire all the bloody natives and appoint europeans - That is action affirmed ! Why should minorities pay for a bunch of worthless natives ! Humbug ! Retro black conciousness.

  • VELOCITY - 2011-09-13 20:18


      johncarlos.biza - 2011-09-13 20:42

      Tell me about it! He should tighten his pants first and stop sleeping around

      Schalk - 2011-09-13 20:58

      Lets see how many people think the following logic is also racist: Dear JZ, When looking at current levels of qualification and experience, you simply cannot force top management to be representative of the country's demographics. Top management is like the Springbok rugby team. On average, whites are simply better rugby players than blacks at the moment. Do we want to select our best rugby team to represent us at the world cup? Of course! Does a company want to select the best people to represent it in the highly competitive global economy? Of course! If not, it will go bankrupt. Would you force all nurses to be 50% male? Of course not. Women (on average) just have natural caring attributes that make them better nurses than men. Similarly, whites (on average) are better equipped to successfully handle the huge and complex responsibility of top management at present. Of course there are many blacks who are very capable managers (and men who would be excellent nurses). These people should not be discriminated against, but forcing demographic representation is just not very smart. Patience is needed. The more you push, the slower it will happen. Pure AA appointed professionals = less profits = less tax and slower growth = less state budget and fewer jobs = slower upliftment = fewer qualified black professionals = more forced AA appointments = even less profits etc... This is basic non-linear thinking, JZ. Theoretically, presidents should be able to do this...

      cliffarc - 2011-09-13 21:03

      - How about he tightens up on crime and greater punishment for criminals ?

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-09-13 21:04

      @Schalk AA also discourages those who worked very hard, under difficult circumstances(poverty, poor education, disfunctional neighbourhood etc), to get where they are. I can imagine it is not very pleasant being a hard-working black professional and having colleagues unwarrantedly in the same job level as you. To add insult to injurty, you get lumped together with them by the others!

      scipio - 2011-09-13 21:11

      agreed. this government are all vile rascists. useless too.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-13 22:05

      - Oh and while he is on about tightening laws , how about tightening the laws on corruption and thievery within his own party.

      DW - 2011-09-14 08:39

      Electioneering. He needs to sound like he agrees with Juju right now. If Juju gets off (which I am now thinking that he will, after all), Zuma's presidency is in danger. Watch his speeches in the next few months as he sides more and more with Juju in an attempt to convince him to keep him in power.

      moreso - 2011-09-15 16:36

      uhh, duh @Schalk, I highly doubt they care about the welfare of our country.

  • zaatheist - 2011-09-13 20:18

    Well why don't you encourage them to start and manage their own businesses?

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-09-13 21:27

      @myancmyfutur not the land rhetoric again. If blacks are without land, where do they stay now? Floating on the sea?

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-13 21:35

      zaatheist listen the impossible we do at once- miracles take a little longer. In this case maybe another 700 years.

      Colin - 2011-09-13 21:37

      myancmyfutur wake up, blacks weren't millions as they are now thanks to white food and medicine, most of sa was uninhabited, you used a very small portion of it and most of the land we took we actually bought, I know this does not fit the anc propaganda but its the truth

      Spade - 2011-09-13 22:33

      Myancmyfutur - uneducated statements such as yours simply strengthen the argument against AA, and for better quality education. Its time the utter racist nonsense spewing from such utterances is stopped. Africa is a continent of beggars and despots. Recently, South Africa still had some hope it could be the shining exception. As long as black South Africans continue to believe in the white bogeyman, they will drag us all down to the African standard.

      BigD - 2011-09-14 06:22

      @myancmyfutur. South Africa does not have another 20 years to waste. The anc has missed up big time and if the country drops more we will be at Zim levels. The problem is that you and the anc are to stupid to see it.

      DEVILS SON - 2011-09-14 08:16 wouldnt even know what to do with land, go ask your gov, they have plenty of wasted land, ooooh wait you want running farms to destroy,

      Wondering - 2011-09-14 09:07

      Unfortunately that will never happen, it is easier for them to take what other people have worked so hard to achieve

      Amsterdammer - 2011-09-14 10:20

      Most Africans are in the IRON AND STEEL business... Some Iron,..... MOST STEAL!

  • Scorpion - 2011-09-13 20:19

    "It is with great disappointment that the advancement of black people has been so slow" FF sakes its always been slow.

      Cliff - 2011-09-13 20:37

      hey dood, I wish it was easy to help doods advance, but i am tired of it. We have sponsired prigrammes, people, u name it and each time get nailed. gatvol, and not racist. take your money and run my friend!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-13 20:41

      Once again, black people's slow advancement is blamed on whitey! Always somebody elses fault but never their own. FFS!

      Scorpion - 2011-09-13 20:42

      Thats right Cliff As the saying goes. Give them a hand and they will take an arm. Thankfully I left.

      tryanything - 2011-09-13 21:16

      God helps those who help themselves ...God help you if you are caught helping yourself...

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-13 21:37

      Nothing has been slow. There has never been any advancement for it to have been so slow. You can't make a silken purse out of a sows ear.

      thinker - 2011-09-13 22:48

      This is not about advancing black people, is about "fine collection" to bank-roll the corrupt.

  • LuLuBug - 2011-09-13 20:22

    But why do they not just take the companies? We owe them EVERYTHING! Then they can steal from each other.....

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 20:36

      White meat tastes better.

  • Verdade - 2011-09-13 20:25

    Gee Shrek Showerhead you can't tighten it got it!!! You are such a fool, you and your bunch of bandits are just dragging the country further down the gutter! Time to wake up !

  • Colin - 2011-09-13 20:25

    Companies will just have to compare what the government fines for non compliance are compared to having a lazy, unproductive and incompetent workforce that steals anything that is not bolted down.

      tryanything - 2011-09-13 21:13

      Bolted down Its still at risk....

      BigD - 2011-09-14 06:24

      The companies will pass the fines on to the consumer. Then the so called disadvantaged will be paying for the Governments blunders again.

      Amsterdammer - 2011-09-14 10:19

      Black people don't understand the RISK that the White Business OWNER GOES THRU TO BUILD A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS!!!!

  • FerretGee - 2011-09-13 20:25

    So it's big business's fault that the "historically disadvantaged" are unemployed? The last time I looked, the ANC had been in power for 17 years, where are the 500 000 jobs YOU promised and the jobs prmised by your predecessor? Surely there should be a plan to help those to start their own businesses? But no, you want to give jobs to unqualified people just to make your BEE and AA programs look good. Have a look at Eskom, SAA, Transnet etc etc to see the failure of doing that!

      Colin - 2011-09-13 20:39

      its easier to blame business than to admit the anc is a total failure in everything except for their propaganda department which is doing quite well

      Ogre - 2011-09-14 00:37

      Zuma is trying to divert attention from the studies released recently that the percentage of unemployed has actually increased with the only net growth in the public sector with a corresponding worsening of service delivery. Instead of stimulating the "oppressed" to start doing it for themselves by means of good education and start up support they are given stipends in the form of government grants and empty promises of wealth sharing, perpetuating the idea that they will never be equal. Those that still have pride and drive will and do rise above their situation to become a success, and there are many of those, black and white. It just makes you think what can be accomplished with a government that has our best interests at heart and not just their own.

      Amsterdammer - 2011-09-14 07:04

      If I recall, he PROMISED 5 Million "JAWBS" in 5 years....that was LAST YEAR!!!!! The 500k jobs were promised when he got elected...

      DEVILS SON - 2011-09-14 08:17

      so far have we not lost more jobs, maybe double what he promised, so now zoomer owes the peepol 1 million jobs

  • Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 20:26

    Another step closer to war.

      SPHONZA - 2011-09-14 09:07

      Another useless and stupid war monger that can't think further than your behind. War has never and will never solve our problems. If it helps with your wife then restrict it to the confines of your house. We need dialogue and people who make sense than to take up arms. Grow up or go and get an education.

      ANC-FTL - 2011-09-15 11:45

      SPHONZA I’m afraid if we carry on the way we are we'll have no choice but to go to war - Civil War just like Libya if not worse in your back yard. It’s the nature of ultra-poor governance – trust me it’s not what I want.

  • THE-SRG - 2011-09-13 20:29

    haven't you done enough damage zuma?....i will fire my guys and move elsewhere and i will enjoy the look on their face as i say its your own fault for voting for these corrupt idiots,you dont hire people for their skin zuma,you hire the best man for the job with the best qualifications,when i leave it will be more unemployed people that i leave behind but i really dont care about them as they have shown me that they are the new breed of guys made by you and the ANC.Gone are the guys that work hard and appreciate work,all my best guys from malawi left because of your new government,the guys i have now i wont feel the least pity when i leave them jobless,and its your fault zuma

      Jako - 2011-09-13 20:33

      what would happen if a million whites stop paying taxes? if only...

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 20:40

      @ Jako Already happening my friend. Hence more toll roads on the way ...

      THE-SRG - 2011-09-13 21:24

      i wont be held down by these people and i will not pay taxes to let free loading lazy people live off my money, one way or another they wont get a cent out of me,i have already made plans and the workers i leave behind can ask their ANC for money,i have had it up to my eyeballs with these give me people

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-15 19:35

      @jako ,the zoomer would have to get rid of a few of his wives,and mallemmer would have to get rid of his goat

  • Vernon - 2011-09-13 20:29

    spoken by the real agent!!!!advanced by how many wives since 1994???

  • Shaun - 2011-09-13 20:30

    What an idiot.

  • vasti - 2011-09-13 20:33

    why do the majority needs the law to protect them against the minority? dictatorship?

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-15 19:37

      because they are pathetic,the heat they generate is the main cause of global warming and the oxygen they steal - well i will leave that for you to decide

  • Iron John - 2011-09-13 20:34

    If the ANC hadn't destroyed education and hadn't failed to replace it with something else then EE/AA would be easy and done. Why can't they provide assurances that they will simply deliver on education? Why do they constantly shift the blame to "whites"? This is why Africa is what it is, frankly, the typical mindset. We all lost a hero in Steve Biko, who would never have put up with this mediocre claptrap from semi-literate ANC "leaders"

      Craigr - 2011-09-13 21:05

      If education had been important, by now there would be a number of black people out there that could run a company quite sucessfully. But "No" ... making BEE rules and going straight to the top jobs is so much easier.

  • Cliff - 2011-09-13 20:34

    once agian, we have the bribe process to survive - at leats the loot goes to the fine fellows who had zip!????

  • Windlass - 2011-09-13 20:37

    Thats all good but it wont solve the unemployment problem... Will only benefit a hand full. Knowledge, education, properly implemented government programs and assistance, self willingness and a desire to achieve and work hard will help to start new business and grow the economy and eventually one day at at a time solve unemployment.

  • braveheart - 2011-09-13 20:38

    We can not appointed uneducated people. COME ON! Fix the problem of poor education. And change people's attitude towards work. WHY WHY WHY are you so stupid Jacob Zuma?

      Frans Smith - 2011-09-13 21:07

      braveheart - he isn't, he is just taking care of business (his buisness). he needs to stay in power as long as he can to make more money through corrupt deals, fraudulent transactions etc. he will do anything (like many other african leaders) to stay in power - "he who controls the gold makes the rules" SA IS STUFFED FOR MINIMUM 50 YEARS.

  • Francois - 2011-09-13 20:42

    Zuma, can you help us to facilitate a deal. As from next year, all kids are treated equally ito AA, except the PDIs that were not taught by SADTU members or in former model C schools or in private schools. Thus if you are black and you went to FOR EXAMPLE Pretoria Boy's High, when you fill in your application form, you do not state your race, you state "Got education from the best, SADTU and others." Then AA applies to only those who does not belong to this category. Zuma, we must get out of this thing of benefitting some on the basis of race, even if it is slowly, but you must make a plan on when the sins of apartheid was paid for and that we can start paying for the sins of the ANC.

      prsephton - 2011-09-14 20:02

      What is the logical outcome when a country insists on employing poorly educated people into top positions, and penalises companies which do not comply?

  • Pierre du Plessis - 2011-09-13 20:44

    Oh, so thats his job creation plan. A nice quick fix when time is running out. Sort out our joke if an education system first and the AA problem will go away by itself.

  • Craigr - 2011-09-13 20:45

    Seems like JZ738 is more concerned with getting top managment black than stamping out corruption in goverment.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 20:51

      Wait till they run out of white people to corrupt.

  • Point Blank - 2011-09-13 20:45

    Start your own companies... what is this fascination of taking everything from white people?

      Renny Meere - 2011-09-13 20:49

      It's much easier taking something someone else built.

      J T - 2011-09-14 01:31


      realist4sale - 2011-09-14 05:50

      lol a why buy a car its cheaper to highjack lol same with our business its a goverment highjacking business......whites unite in business and say no to goverment...........yes help backs but help them in a realistic way that does not damage or discriminate

  • PinkAndProud - 2011-09-13 20:52

    Crikey, only 16.9% can cause the amount of degradation going on in SA. Imagine if it was 100%!!!!

  • Mboneli - 2011-09-13 20:53

    I would like to thanks the labour minister Mrs Mildred Oliphant for what she has done in as far as her intervention in this issue of affirmative action, it seems as if there is no implementation but the minister need to fast track this because it desadvantage the HDSA and agree with the president when he saying non citizen can't help us but in the mining sectors non citizen are still dominating in the higher positions,now the quetion is how should we address that in a situation like this.mzizimngqibisa@gmail

  • Ngqeku - 2011-09-13 20:55

    This story of fines is not going to work anymore. We need results urgently. AA needs to become more aggressive than before. People need to be practically moved from their jobs and a suitably qualified and experienced black individual placed. Its simple as that

      The_Stud - 2011-09-13 20:57

      LOL Good luck trying to find a black to cover my position.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-09-13 21:06

      @Ngqeku why?

      Anton - 2011-09-13 21:11

      The few 'suitably qualified' South African blacks are the 16.9% and 35.9% that the article refers to. There are no more suitably educated blacks to fill those positions. This process is going to take YEARS and YEARS because it takes time to become suitably qualified to run a large corporation. And then there's the problem of the ones who have made it big, not helping others and corruption. You therefore have 2 things to consider: The process is slow, because education takes time, and secondly, the fat cats are slowing down education because they are not addressing the needs of blacks.

      Sit-hole - 2011-09-13 21:12

      You 'd need at least 5 go slows to cover my position. 5 pc s with 5 x 3D Design programs R50 000 a seat. 5 years experience each. 3 years Engineering qualifications each.

      Worker - 2011-09-13 21:20

      Equality means equal, it does not mean anything else. If you want equality, get educated (without special pass rates), get experience (without favouritism, racism, AA,or whatever you like to call it), and then apply for a job that does NOT ask what colour, creed or political party you belong to. Get promoted because you are better than the next man, whoever he may be. Then you will have a decent SA.

      Worker - 2011-09-13 21:26

      23 years ago, I flew in the face of the "system" and employed a "disadvantaged", after spending time and money training this person, they negotiated a deal behind my back and stole a valuable agency from me, then went belly up 6 months later. I have employed a number of them over the years, most have stolen from me, or demanded more than the accepted pay rate. BEEs sting.

      Ngqeku - 2011-09-13 21:39

      There is plenty of dead white wood in white corporates that can be removed immediately. Meanwhile competent and qualified blacks are stuck in junior and middle management because of internal politics. That must change. There is no-one who is indispensible

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-13 21:54

      oh boy! You show your limitations comrade. Which is higher? your age or IQ? 10 bucks on the age. You are indeed a racist

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-13 22:25


      realist4sale - 2011-09-14 05:52

      seriously dude you are crazy.....and racist to the say we are arewanting the exact same thing that aparthied was are you happy for that..... remove ppl and where do they least apartheid created work for the disadvantaged

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-14 13:42

      Mr Zuma Shower head racist, perhaps you and your goons should tighten your belts and let some of that tax money you steal through so we can create business to create jobs? I think you cockroach has fallen off its ball again!

      RiRo1 - 2011-09-15 10:23

      I agree with you, Ngqeku. That can work. So why haven't they done it yet? Is it maybe because they can't find such black people that you have described? Do you think you can do it? You should plea your case :-) I also want to know, WHAT is EQUALLY qualified and experienced in your opinion?

      sheralee.jones - 2012-08-17 09:24

      That's exactly the whole point - if there were only suitably qualified black people around.

      Nathan - 2012-08-18 09:18

      LOLOL,Ngqejku, you need to find someone who has 10 years in FMCG management and 3 years in management consulting to replace me...Im now a business owner... I cant be replaced...

  • Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 20:55

    Dont feed the bab***s.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 21:18

      Oh I guess that sign fell down. Sigh.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-09-13 20:55

    Uhm to Achieve what exactly, Maybe you should check all the BEE fat cats!

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 20:58

      Didn't know cats can fly. What a scary thought :-)

  • LuLuBug - 2011-09-13 20:56

    And exactly how much do the wealthy blacks give to their disadvantaged?

  • brinjal - 2011-09-13 20:57

    Yes increase the fines which ultimately get added to the base line cost which the consumer will pay up to a stage before they stop buying the product which results in the business closing down & more unemployment.

  • greppo - 2011-09-13 20:58

    If the ANC cannot figure out how to create wealth, it will eventually resort to redistributing it, thereby destroying it.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 21:00

      Only if white people get tired of being so stupid on the treadmill.

      RiRo1 - 2011-09-15 12:11

      What's your point, Hetrohero?

  • slg - 2011-09-13 21:00

    JAcob, hasn't enough harm, been done to the country by prematurely promoting people who don't have needed skills sets? Wouldn't it be wiser to use the apprentice system and promote only on the basis of ability?

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-14 00:16

      Thank you Sig. Instead of having a complaints line, the president should invite ALL SA people to come up with viable suggestions. But it will only work if people WANT to work.

  • mystae - 2011-09-13 21:01

    Alrighty, this is just an honest question, something I'm wondering, without any form of bias, so please answer it as such: Why is it important to have black people in senior management? I mean, there are fewer senior management positions than there are lower ranking positions. How many indians, whites and coloureds are there in top-ranking positions with respect to their population sizes? I'm betting the answer is not that much different than the amount of black people currently in senior management. So here's my subjective comment: If I had a business that employed, say, 100 people, I'd definitely employ the best man for a high ranking position, irrespective of ethnicity. This ensures that the other 99 people enjoy job security. I mean, that's logical. Any person knows that you get to top management by starting at the bottom of the food chain. That's how it has always worked. That's where you get the experience to do the job properly.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-13 21:06

      Logic, the ANC and their 'supportahs' don't belong in the same sentence.

      RiRo1 - 2011-09-15 12:15

      That is my idea also, mystae. That is how it should work. But, all they want is basically show they can control the whites, whether it's good or bad for the businesses. I know black people that is completely competent for a director's position and if i was the employer, would put them in that positions. They are the best people for the jobs :-) Why can't it be like that everywhere?

  • Raymond - 2011-09-13 21:04

    There must be a very good reason why the management level is what it is.There is a reasonable explaination for everything that happens on planet earth.This is the only country in the WORLD that implements laws to protect the majority against the minority.@ THE-SRG.You will not be the only person to take this route.Zuma says anything without thinking and without taking the consequences into account.People don't want to work,they want hand-outs.The country is in a mess from appointing people into jobs that they are simply not qualified to do.'Give them the job whether they meet the criteria or not'.Just make him a doctor.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-13 21:08

      Maybe it's time to fire all domestic workers, raise unemployment even higher and then see who the baddies are!

      tryanything - 2011-09-13 21:22

      Well I cant really fire myself cause come Friday who is going to pay out wages??

  • Motho - 2011-09-13 21:04

    what about those blacks who pull other blacks down at work?

  • Worker - 2011-09-13 21:04

    AA, BBEE, call it what it is - RACIALISM! It does not work, as the people who get chosen are incapable, in most cases (especially government), of doing the jobs, and many don't care because they can't easily be fired. ZUMA, get real, save SA, it takes REAL guts and intelligence to do what is good for the country, not just you "chommies" and family.

  • R.Suppards - 2011-09-13 21:05

    It's really about time President Zuma took a REALITY check.I'llrepeat it so that it sinks in,"It's really time President Zuma took a REALITY check. Your ANC political party has raped this country, your ANC political party has betrayed the very people you vowed to uplift, now you look for a convenient scapegoat. YOU SIR, ARE AS BIG A HYPOCRITE AS YOUR STOOGE MALEMA!!!

  • Raymond - 2011-09-13 21:05

    He's been taking instructions from PORKY

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  • jaybee - 2011-09-13 21:08

    He needs to say this to stay popular, he said the same about crime prevention, corruption, etc. He is the greatest dissapointment of all times

  • Sinudeity - 2011-09-13 21:12

    Zuma conveniently forgets to mention how him, and his ANC top dawgs have abused affirmative action, and their positions to enrich themselves at the cost of the nation.

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-09-13 21:12

    For 10 THOUSAND YEARS blacks had skins, fire, and cow dung mud huts. The continuous breathing of methane gases as dulled their brains, to the point that while being " oppressed and exploited " under apartheid, they achieved their highest standard of living in Africa. Whites are rich every where else on the planet. Blacks are poor every where else on the African Continent. Whites are not to blame for the problems inside the African body, mind and soul. Blacks must face and take the responsibilities of their own actions, like listening to Nonquase and the SA Communist Party controlled ANC ( Abortion Murder Genocide ). Nonquase destroyed the Xhosas, the ANC is destroying South Africa.

  • Abrahamsnow - 2011-09-13 21:13

    I understand the ideology behind BEE, and possibly it is a good one. The problem is not that the privileged wont employ black people as such, the problem is the employability of the BEE candidates. Government should focus less on taking and a little more on making. I for one would support BEE in my company wholeheartedly if i felt that the people i was employing would add a equal value contribution to my bottom line.

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-13 21:55

      Affirmative Action is a disgusting racist practice. Hiring people should be a natural process based upon ability with the end goal of making money, then this country will prosper. We wonder why we aren't growing at 6% per year? It is because we hire based upon race.

  • scipio - 2011-09-13 21:14

    maybe if zuma and his grubby thieving gang learn to govern before lecturing us on how blacks miss out. boo hoo. so whites are smarter, get over it.

  • Colin Phantom - 2011-09-13 21:14

    You know the ANC is pointing out managment that only makes up a tiny portion of the work force. BUT there are many businesses with no white people at all. In the western Cape white people are 25% of the population but go to the Mugg and Bean, Pick and Pay, Shoprite, Wimpy, some departments of the Cape town city council and TRANSNEt and you dont see a single white person. When I worked for TRANSNET every effort was made to make every thing look as white as possible so that white people could not be hired even when the ratios where right. Once again black hypocrasy.

  • Eutopia - 2011-09-13 21:15

    The only way to uplift the "previously disadvantaged" is to EDUCATE them PROPERLY. You can't expect to be uplifted and lead a "western" lifestyle, but still cling to your "African" way of thinking that states that the rest of the world owes you something. But here's the clincher: Zuma cannot afford to properly educate his followers, because once they are educated and know better - they won't be following him anymore. It is to his advantage to keep them stupid.

  • Spartan - 2011-09-13 21:16

    Zuma you and you corrupt cronies should rather tighten your hands and prayers for hell is waiting for you. Die tokkelise hy kom vir jou.

  • Alan - 2011-09-13 21:19

    This is just what investors DO NOT want to hear!!! Does Mr. Zuma honestly believe that investors who have the option of investing in other markets such as Brazil or India will consider SA as a good investment option? India favours investment and development, SA favours the colour of a persons skin! Which would you prefer as an investment option?

  • i_believe - 2011-09-13 21:21

    So, I have to employ somebody just because they're black...and not because they are qualified for the job!!!!! And if a white candidate is more suitable??? Isn't choosing over skin color called racism ?!?!?!?!?

  • Sit-hole - 2011-09-13 21:21

    Funny how Indian people in SA are thriving in new SA with out help of BEE. Yep black people need to Tighten affirmative action laws. Both Indian & black people are previously disadvantaged. V strange.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-13 21:37

      It's really weird how Indian people managed to escape apartheid hey? Even weirder is how blacks are never prepared to do anything for themselves, always wanting a handout, and always ready with a 'give me'. Ignorant bunch, after all money grows on trees, so why dont' they grow some for themselves.

  • Gary - 2011-09-13 21:25

    Nice speech Zuma, is it voting time already:P

  • John Carson - 2011-09-13 21:27

    The reality is that black people are just useless and incompetent, period. They are like a bunch of sheep that need to be herded and told what to do. White people on the other hand will always be enterprising and succesful no matter where they are. That is exactly why the blacks want the white mans wealth in SA that they will totally destroy, but even if the whites are forced out of SA they will still prosper and accumulate wealth wherever they go. White people create, black people destoy. Proof, can anybody name just one thing in this world that blacks have created or invented. Just one