Transform mining industry - Shabangu

2012-10-20 10:05

Johannesburg - The mining industry needs to be transformed, Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu said on Friday night.

"The mining industry is facing challenges, it is visibly clear that urgent interventions need to be put in place to enhance workers' skills," she said at a black business awards ceremony in Boksburg.

"The mining industry needs to transform to make sure that we are able to be competitive, but are also able to contribute positively and become a sector... that's a sunshine industry.

"The future is bright, we've got to do the right things."

For the transformation to take place various groups needed to become part of the skills development needed in the sector.

Shabangu said the mining industry could create many opportunities for the country.

"As we all know it is the backbone of the South African economy."

Broad-based black economic empowerment had to spread benefits beyond entrepreneurs and include communities, she said.

Women should not be left behind when building the economy.

She said the country was grappling with unprecedented tension in labour relations, compounded by a fairly bleak, short-term economic outlook.

"The country has recently received its first foreign credit ratings downgrade since democracy, which indicates the extend to which we need to work harder to restore confidence of the investment community and the people of South Africa."

The downgrade of the government's bond rating by credit ratings agency Moody's had made it more expensive for South Africa to secure the resources needed for development.

Ratings agency Standard & Poor's on Tuesday warned it could downgrade Anglo Gold Ashanti's credit rating.

"Stabilisation of business and the economy becomes more important than it was yesterday," said Shabangu.

Businesses needed to work together with the government.

"Let's work together to resolve what we are seeing as a threat to our democracy, a threat to our economy.

"It has become clear that we have to create adequate space for the people of South Africa to heal from the lasting wounds of the apartheid state."

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-20 10:15

    How can this 'country heal' as it is still an apartheid state AND it's run by communists. Not breeding ground for international trust, you moron.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-20 10:16

    Yes we do realise transformation is urgently requred - but whats your plan of action ?.

      Vince.York - 2012-10-20 13:40

      At the rate that international investment and capital is shunning SA these days of the zuma-failed-state SURELY the racist anc-pf have blackened 'everything' enough already and need to get back to normal world standards of running business, employment and governing a nation as a government instead of some autocratic zulu dictatorship?

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-10-20 10:27

    There is just too much talk with our government. We need action please. How many stories have we been told by our government?

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-20 11:59

      Another day in the life of ANC 'leadership' - telling us what we already know. As if having said it, it will now magically happen and their job is done. We want the HOW and WHEN please.

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-20 10:37

    It is time government work with businesses not the other way round. It was all messed up by government with their labour laws that is making it almost impossible to fire useless worker. They also started this above normal salaries where people working for the public sector earns almost double than private sector. I say yes for transformation, get machines to do the work they do not strike. Stop blaming apartheid it will get you nowhere.

  • nicolas.gombert.16 - 2012-10-20 10:40

    When I hear "transformation", it reminds me like a fish on dry ground. It flip-flops as it finds it's current situation unbearable, trying every conceivable move even if it has no hope whatsoever of getting back into water. How often have we seen state enterprises "transformed" from bad to worse? Has there ever been a successful transformation?

  • Ruben Vermaak - 2012-10-20 10:48

    If mining is the backbone of the south african economy don't mess it up. In South Africa there is not one example of any governmental run company which is a success. So government should butt out of industries they do not know anything about (aka pretty much all sectors). Furthermore this affirmative action nonsense should come to an end. If you are black get over it, you are just like the rest of use, and should make your own way not expect everything to fall into your lap (that attitude in essence is quite racist).

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-20 12:04

      Mining has fallen from 68% of GDP in '94 to 20% of GDP in 2011. It is estimated a further 200 000 mining jobs will be shed in the next 10 years. It's already messed up

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-20 18:55

      I am sick and tired of transformation that is a fancy word for all blacks, qualifications no problem grade 4 good enough, you must just be black. I would love to see a test to see what these people can do. They think so high of themselves, this might be a shock to them. That is not there problem if they fail this test all they want is good money and a job. So what being able to do it.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-20 21:13

      @patricia.dewet.92 - it's a very clever word. It inspires images of good fairies waving magic wands saying abracadabra. Their spells are wearing off and we're seeing the Emperor has no clothes, that the castles are built on sand, the Prince is really a very nasty toad and that the chariots are made of pumpkins

  • joop.vellema - 2012-10-20 10:52

    the only transformation required is for the work force to get of their lazy asses and to start to be productive

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-10-20 10:56

    To make the Mining Industry competitive, it needs to be Mechanized and a huge amount of Labour sacked. Are the ANC prepared to do this?

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-20 11:03

    Face facts, you are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. The round hole in this equation is the economy, and the square peg is the overabundance of unskilled labour. The two are being hamstrung by socialistic ideals and political interference that if pitched at a smaller more sustainable workforce could have a chance at success. Simply put, the government cannot say outright, 'we have too many people' because that is a fact 'too many people'do not want to hear. No, it is rather a case of 'delaying the inevitable'. If you doubt this fact, just Google our population growth forcast. If you think we're in the 'poo'now, just wait!.

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-10-20 11:03

    this down grading Standard & Poor is a joke they invent their rules and impose themselves on others..if they are so fair why don't they down grade WellsFargo

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-20 16:17

      Why don't you start your own rating agency - there is nobody on earth that is stopping you. You have absolute freedom to do it. Then you can give Zimbabwean banks all a AAA rating and Citigroup (etc) a D rating; let us see how serious the world will take you. This is what you and the rest of your gang of goons who are still stuck on the fringes of the stone-age cannot fathom - the rating agencies exist based on a reputation, if their ratings are fictitious then they will seize to exist. It is called the free-market system..! The only people who object to the 'free-market system' are those who cannot compete.

      bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-10-21 11:37

      you are just defending Standard&Poor without knowing what informed them to establish this agency, when informed people across the world are questioning these cartel controlled agencies you are blowing their horn, wake up Claudia....and you did not answer my question about Wells Fargo

  • simson.moller - 2012-10-20 11:08

    BLACK business awards ceremony??? How is it not racist?? What about a WHITE business award ceremony or will that be racist and the whites leaning towards apardheid again? Makes me want to puke!!!!!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-20 15:21

      Can you imagine the outcry if it was a WHITE business awards ceremony?

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-20 11:10

    Transform the racist government. It's that simple!

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-10-20 11:27

      It's already transformed, what more else do you want to see, Derek Henekom as president?\r\nDream on

      ben.spreeth - 2012-10-20 11:52

      No JM., not a white person. Thuli Madonsela is the one, but I suppose she is too honest for a politician.

  • ben.spreeth - 2012-10-20 11:12

    Please dont even talk about transformation. Transformation is what brought the S.A. Economy to its knees. Just dont transform anything.

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-10-20 11:15

    I feel she has a lot more in mind but daren't say it. For instance, "BBEEE has to spread benefits beyond entrepreneurs and include communities." If she means by this the mining companies should be compelled to provide schools and housing the the families of miners, then she is pandering to her Party. If she means miners must be offered inalienable shares in the company, there is a lot to be said for that. The tragedy of the ANC is that when an intelligent person like Shabangu gets high place, for every one decent idea, she must mix it with four plebeian platitudes to keep office.

  • johann.enslin.9 - 2012-10-20 11:15

    Calling for integration at a "black" business award? Seriously?

  • andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-20 11:16

    "It has become clear that we have to create adequate space for the people of South Africa "to heal from the lasting wounds of the apartheid state." Jississs !!! Is there not one politician that can "read" a speech without using the same words over and over again; ("heal", "lasting wounds" and “apartheid”) ??. I feel that the word “apartheid” should be put on top of the “no say words list” And; "part of the credit ratings downgrade since democracy". Is the democracy you are referring to when the ANC got voted into power ?? As I understand Democracy. "A system of government by the "whole population" or all the "eligible members” …….; furthermore, "eligible" means having the right to do or obtain something. I am struck by the degree of ability among the governed and the lack of it among the governing. All South Africans, all races - want to live in a true democracy so we can move forward, achieve and obtain that something. Not just the "selected" few. Isn’t the ANC’s motto: Together We Can Do More” ?? For this reason, and this reason only, we cannot take the ruling party serious.

      djim.bie - 2012-10-20 11:29

      Together We Can Do More” ?? = CRIME.

  • toofaan.monsoon - 2012-10-20 11:18

    In 3 days, we've had Zuma, Mothlanthle, Mbeki and Shabangu with statements that clearly show huge concern. Given that they make snails look like cheetahs, they must have finally figured out that we need action. Either that or it finally dawned on them that the gravy train may actually run dry. Sadly, I suspect it's the latter.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-20 12:28

      Statements we've heard many times before that as always are completely lacking in tangible, viable plans. It's the same old song - business must, people must, civil society must, the media's to blame. Their huge concern is that they be found accountable.

  • djim.bie - 2012-10-20 11:27

    How can we help when we are not welcome in any sphere of the economy? We must look after our own intersts first, so stugle ma leker on.

  • mike.leggatt.3 - 2012-10-20 11:27

    Just looking at a couple of local job opportunities at the municipality: Senior accounting clerk (3 year degree+ exp) R128k pa,chief aux service officer R130k pa (degree+exp)...Both substantially less than The R144k pa at Lonmin or the R192k pa being demanded by some strikers. I can't help feeling there is something missing in these equations...Then again, thinking back, I remember a call to make the mines ungovernable and I realize the massive implications of the spoken word

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 12:17

      But can the mining industry afford this as compared to the municipality? The the Chairman of Lonmin's Social and Ethics Committee, D. Konar, receives a 1, 300, 000 dollar annual salary. Ian farmer their CEO and Executive Director receives a 1, 220, 629 GBP annual salary and their current acting CEO Simon Scott receives a much more modest half a million a year. They have another nine board members that are paid between half to a million GBP salary, yet they can not afford to pay the people who carry out the labour that enables their bloated salaries a decent wage. Underlying profits 2011 - 259 million dollars Underlying profits 2010 - 157 million dollars A massive increase in profits but Lonmin refuses to pay a fair wage.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-20 12:49

      @Infidel. The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 13:18

      Putting a prefix in front of someone's name is not a sign of a great wit, but that of a half wit. For a post as stupid as yours, you're lucky to be getting this response from me.

      mike.leggatt.3 - 2012-10-20 13:35

      @ Fidel...I agree with you. I think mining bosses are over-paid. In fact I think there a way too many over-paid people in this country. But that still does not detract from the point that with little or no education one can find oneself in a position to demand a salary of almost R200k in an over-burdened, under-skilled labor market. The problems we face seem to me to be as a result of constantly comparing the best with the worst and forgetting that there is a huge area of in-between. Maybe someone should tell Angie that getting an education might be a waste of time and money...

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-20 13:50

      @Infidel. I quote you: "People who move the goalposts every five minutes in order to try and win and argument without actually bothering to provide any relevant counter-argument are as inane as they are irritating."

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-20 22:20

      @Infidel, Strange that Zimbabwean mine workers regard R1750-00/month as VERY fair wage (in fact it is the highest wage earned by a miner in Zim) - yet they do not strike, they are only too happy to get a salary... Is Bob's Zim not a place you have worshiped on several occasions..? But then there is nothing on earth as confused as a black chameleon. Re the salary of the Chairman of Lonmin - why don't YOU become the Chairman of Lonmin..? What is stopping you..? In fact if you go to a South African university you will be given a degree just for rocking up with an ANC membership card (something I understand you can get for around R10). But then again, if one considers what happened to Aurora (and what your ANC is doing with Alexkor) then perhaps there was a good reason why the British implemented the Mines and Works Act, in SA, in 1911...

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 22:38

      @Andrez I'm flattered, but there is nothing in your post that warrants serious attempt at a response. @Claudia Stop with the idiocy. You have no idea of my ideological stance! Your British, "Mines and Works Act, in SA, in 1911" is as relevant as the "Freedom Charter". P.S. See Andrez's quote above! @Mike You've made some valid points, but I can never understand the argument that it's ok for people to exploit workers because the work alternatives some where else are worse. You could say it to me a hundred different ways but it wouldn't make any sense to me. Let's stop trying to excuse it - it's another example of the amorality of the free market, of unfettered Capitalism. There is a kind of pathology that seeks to mask exploitation as success, and this concept is foreign to me.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-20 22:45

      @Infidel, I have no idea of your ideological stance.., well seemingly, neither do you...

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 23:42

      That is a meaningless non-sequitur!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-21 10:34

      You obviously have a higher enough IQ to type, why not use it to stop and think about just how silly you sound. Look at that, just wasted another 60 seconds of life. Will I never learn?

  • eben.vanderrmerwe - 2012-10-20 11:35

    Apartheid, apartheid, apartheid....blah blah blah. It has become such a common phrase to use as scapecoat for almost any insuficiency, incompetence, disagreement, disapproval, and lack of whatever sorts. It's tiring!!. Fix the problems, stop looking for the causes, it does nothing progressive. And don't even mention the "scars" it has left the previously disatvantadged masses becauce not much has changed for them, they are no better of than before!.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-10-20 11:39

    Why not transform the crooks within the industry?

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 12:11

    The mining industry must stop exploiting Africans! Simple as that really..

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-20 12:50

      Rather exploit the Chinks they will work harder

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-20 13:05

      Fidel you are right let their own government exploit them, like The mining bosses Zuma and Mandela, they let the people starve. They are black and it is in the family so it is unfair of me to mention it.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 13:24

      I think you grabbed the wrong bottle of pills before you sat down to write this one. Also, re-align the crystals in your room, the alien waves are starting to get to you.

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-20 13:37

      And maybe, just maybe you should find out how mining works before you open you uninformed yap. Maybe you should know that the government are claiming huge levy's from the mines that simply disappear, maybe you should know the mines pay 40% in tax, maybe you should know the mines pay 10% of their turnover to the government (which also just seem to vanish) whether they make a loss or a profit. So who is exploiting who and where is the money going? Why has the NW ANC government not built any houses for the Marikana miners? It is their mandate after all.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 13:50

      It's interesting that your post contains no refutal of the exploitation that takes place within the mining industry, so it was just an excuse to vent to your spleen. In future, respond to what I write and not what you want to refute!

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-20 14:04

      @Infidel. I doubt anyone want's to get into a pi$$ing contest with you, you criticize everything and everybody. If you are looking for real attention, go read the New Age.

      rui.d.barros.7 - 2012-10-20 14:16

      I agree with fidel - fire all the Blacks and hire all the unemployed whites .

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-20 14:44

      @fidel - OMG you are a bit thick aren't you. Unfortunately I cannot draw cartoons for you but here is the idiot's guide - government reclaims more tha 50% of profits yet the miners still live in shacks. Where has the money gone? And why has the government not attended to the mandate given to them by the people? Mining is bad work - if you don't like it you are more than welcome to be without work. But basic services are not the responsibility of the mining houses - that is governments job.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 23:00

      @Andrez My opinions have as much right to be on here as yours, just because you don’t agree with them doesn’t mean they belong to the New Age. I will provide a progressive response to you when you provide anything that resembles a coherent argument. @Deon This neither supports your point nor detracts from mine. We are talking about the exploitation of workers within the mining industry , a point that you gingerly avoid at all costs, and instead want to engage in whatabouteries, a self serving practice that enables some abstract commentary that has no relation to the facts at hand. Can we stick to the point at debate here, rather than throwing pointless obstacles in the way to obscure it. As for your other nonsense, I will treat it with the contempt that it deserves as I'm not trying to get into the gutter alongside you.

  • civil.moabi - 2012-10-20 12:12

    white tendencies

      colin.dovey - 2012-10-20 13:20

      Green Tendencies Yellow Tendencies Gold Tendencies Black Tendencies White Tendencies All those colours come from OUR SA Flag - we are ALL part of that fabric....get used to it!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-20 12:18

    I hope her speech writer got a pay rise. Have you ever heard this woman talk about acid mine water?.

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-20 13:06

      As well as mining licenses for all her black ANC friends, and no water license.

  • michael.i.wright - 2012-10-20 13:21

    Blah, blah, bix nood, blame apartheid and gibs me dat. Standard formula. If you want mining to succeed, employ people who are productive, intelligent and well trained. Oops, that leaves you out in the cold.

  • lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-10-20 13:24

    Dead wood minister.

  • gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-10-20 13:38


  • deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-20 13:41

    Whenever any ANC hoipaloi or government minister or other rudderless leedah have no clue wtf is going on they quickly produce three things - the race card, blaming Apartheid and the transformation word. All smoke and mirrors of course but at least they said something.

  • gneralle.edon - 2012-10-20 14:08

    Nationalize the goddamn thing then!

  • donald.perumal - 2012-10-20 14:12

    When I was tired of being discriminated against because of my pigmentation,whites spat in my direction! How things have changed!

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-20 14:21

      Does that mean there was a time you were OK with it, and then you got tired of it?

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-20 14:37

      Then it is OK for the ANC to do it now? Because your Indian heritage is now also excluded from AA and BEE? Same thing, different oppressor.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-20 23:38

      Who knows it feels it!

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-20 14:26

    we have the most expensive and unproductive labour in the world all because of whites and apartheid

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-10-20 15:17

    Mining transformation? Couldn't agree more! Fill the disused shafts with the anc deadwood. At least you'll be doing your bit for recycling!

  • emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-10-20 19:30

    and somehow this is blamed on apartheid yet again...

  • croix.mactee - 2012-10-21 07:45

    Blah,blah,blah - define "transform" you chop

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-10-21 07:49

    Red Tapes (i.e. labour laws, unions and politics) are crippling our mining industry. Khulubuse 'Fat Koek' Zuma ran Aurora through a decline, poor miners still awaits their wages. His properties were not attached (sic), to recover what's due to his employees. Where are the Union representatives??. Oh!!, I forgot, they can't chop the hand that feed their ballooned stomachs.

  • catherine.l.vanzyl - 2012-10-21 12:53

    lets start a support group of the PUBLIC PROTECTOR through all media links, lets show we have the PUBLIC PROTECTOR to protect us and put all money muchers in the eyes. if you munch our money we will put you in the eyes and let the law runs it course, lets make it really difficult to munch our bucks...SUPPORT THE PUBLIC PROTECTOR...ELEVATE THE OFFICE THROUGH OUR VOICES....let give them stick, those who are giving us a beating, lets stick it back to them!!!

  • vaido.mngese - 2012-10-21 20:05

    Finally agreeing to nationalisation of mines,government leaders lack vision but when ANCYL remind them of freedom charter they refuse to except it. Shame to ANC blinded by personal upliftment of greedy leaders.

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-22 07:38

    The best way to transform the industry is to make sure that no ANC leader, supporter or other thieving bastard gets the BEE share of a mine

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