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Tshwane street names to remain as is

2013-06-19 22:34

Johannesburg - Tshwane cannot be held in contempt of court for not re-installing old street name signs, the city said on Wednesday.

"We have received a solid legal opinion, which clearly states that the city is within its rights not to reinstate the dual names signage," Tshwane Mayor Kgosientso Ramokgopa's spokesperson Blessing Manale said in a statement.

"We believe that we still have various legal options and remedies at our disposal. Until such are exhausted... AfriForum can continue to wish for a return to the past, an idea we are certain we will defeat at the Supreme Court of Appeal."

He said some media organisations "sympathetic" to Afriforum, had insinuated that "an exercise of such a right to appeal" was in contempt of court.

On 13 June, the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria dismissed the Tshwane metro's application for leave to appeal against an interim order, granted in April.

That order prevented the city from removing old street names, and ordered it to re-install old signs which have already been removed.

The order was granted after an urgent application by the lobby group, AfriForum, pending the outcome of its application to set aside Tshwane's 2012 resolution to change the "offensive" names of 25 streets.

Comments
  • Richard Scully - 2013-06-19 22:39

    The ANC is ok with law as long as it is in their favour otherwise the ANC is lawless

      Mc Apple - 2013-06-19 23:12

      Heads up Richard. With grammar like Alpheus Nethononda’s you don’t want him anywhere near you with a needle and ink and what the hell is a Tshane?

      Logic - 2013-06-19 23:23

      ANC are just in it to make a buck, all these fools who think they can actually do something productive are blind. Stupidity rules over the ANC and people like these who think anything european is offensive. meanwhile practically all they use and all they own were made and or invented my Europeans. if they dont like our names they can leave and found their mud villages outside the city and be prideful that they did nothing

      Marius Wannenburg - 2013-06-19 23:29

      Nice one Alpheus. You is like to spel like a street name spesilist, we will like to leev your signs in feer of yoour serios threts and stuff.

      Rodney Bevan - 2013-06-19 23:59

      Internet bully boy/ tough guy talk is so funny. All bravado, big mouth "look at me, I'm a bad boy". Go on then Alpheus, go to Pretoria and tattoo their asses, I dare you. Alternately, you can go back to playing with your water pistol, pretending you're Africa's version of Rambo.

      Phillie Jansen van Vuuren - 2013-06-20 00:03

      Name changes take priority as well as the wasteful ependiture to change them as well as legal costs to oppose Afri forum, but the sinkholes are now lying unattended for 7 months not even to mention the abundant potholes. I think we must relax soon you will not need to know the name of the street because you will not be able to use it.

      jacobus.m.vantonder - 2013-06-20 00:13

      Ok Alpheus.... get that poker ready..CAUSE those new signs will get a spray job sooooon...see how much that will cost you.

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 04:44

      Big words Alpheus from a party of incompetent thieving wimps....yo no good

      Mattewis Kat - 2013-06-20 07:16

      @Mc Apple My guess is that the maintenance of Pretoria is performed at the same competence level as Alpheus's grammar and tattooing capabilities! What's left of this once proud city, they can call what they want to because it just isn't Pretoria any more.

      Harry De Wet - 2013-06-20 07:48

      At least these sincere dark beings cannot change the scientific name of the Buffalo, which was given to this animal by the first educated beings that visited the tip of this dark continent. What amazes me is why these sincere beings do not change current Boere names such as Eskom to Eksdom, and The Kruger National Park to The Buffalo National Park, because all of these are now under their control?

      Phillip J Fry - 2013-06-20 08:29

      It's not a return to the past. It was unlawful to remove them in the first place

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-06-20 08:45

      The DA has lost cases at the High Court and eventually won at the Supreme Court of Appeals or the Constitutional Court. So why not allow the ANC the same right to exhaust all legal remedies available to it? It is not unphantomable that a different court can reach a different conclusion. That's the beauty of our legal system.

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 08:46

      I see Alpheus the brave removed his post, but the jist of it is that he threatened to attack anyone who removed new name signs and then tattoo them with a tattoo gun he made in prison

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-06-20 08:56

      Name of places, towns, cities, streets and other landmarks MUST reflect the diversity of our great nation and nature. It is a fact that currently the Afrikaner culture and history are over represented. Nowtherefore, if you honestly believe that this should continue then you're clearly not interested in reconciliation. What I like about the English is that they adopted African names they found in KZN. Many KZN towns have dual names or Zulu names only. All places, mountains and rivers had names before the Europians came here.

      NickvanGraan - 2013-06-20 09:37

      How is "Church street" offensive? How is "Zambezi Drive" offensive? You guys lifting your leg on everything with our money is offensive.

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 09:52

      Lins bighouse, it isn't about the name, its about the idiotic implementation. Nobody could find their way around Pretoria...do a proper job at making the changes, maps, satnav etc....Vote DA 2014!!! We will all gather on Zille street together

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-06-20 10:18

      @Richard, I was in Pretoria 2 weeks ago and I found my way quite easily. Durban changed all street names a few years ago and also found my way quite easily the first time I went there after name changes. The first time I drove in Maputo my navigator didn't have a Mozambican map but I didn't struggle finding my way. Same with Harare, Gabarone, Windhoek, etc.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 10:31

      Gaborone...

      Sipho Mathabula - 2013-06-20 11:28

      @Linds ron house you are my HERO (NOT) you can navigate, what do you want a noddy badge idiot, another idiot missing the point. WHy can you not see the ANC for what they are? huh

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-06-20 12:07

      @Sipho, I'm actually intrigued by the vulgar of DA supporters like yourself. Quick to throw insults. Very uncivilized bunch of people. And for the record, I'm not an ANC member nor have I ever voted for them. I also do not intend voting for them next year. @Richard, for one or other reason you remind me of that guy who applied for asylum in Canada because according to him black people in SA were out to kill white people.

      Linds Ron-House - 2013-06-20 12:40

      @Sipho, people like yourself have no respect for democracy. You think you have a monopoly on what is right. Democracy is about the multiplicity of views, ideas and associations. If you think people with different views from yours are stupid or idiots then my friend you don't understand democracy. You still need to be educated.

      Shumi Shumani - 2013-06-20 15:17

      we spend lot of money to change,while pple stil jobles

  • Dubula Dubula - 2013-06-19 22:43

    Only a fool can consider hanging the old names again they bring back sad memories.

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-19 22:46

      At least the sad fool will be able to find his way round the city, unlike the clever ANC chap who will drive in circles like a headless chicken

      Erna Westdyk - 2013-06-19 22:55

      Sure, the names Church and Charles street will bring back very sad memories!

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-19 22:56

      After all Dubula, street names are there so we know where we are going, they aren't some revolutionary weapon, well not that I know of

      Mc Apple - 2013-06-19 22:57

      Sad memories? So naming a street after ruthlessly terrorists that killed innocent civilians is ok? Not only that but it costs a small outhouse full of cash to do this and for what? To say it is an “African Street” now so that it can be littered and urinated on by the homeless? I must be honest, I have lost so much respect for “the people” that one of these beautiful day I will feel nothing anymore. This government will pour billions into rubbish and spend only a few pennies on what is important and you insist that they are right and you keep them in power. The mind boggles.

      Sipho Mathabula - 2013-06-19 23:01

      An African Name does not change the fact that you drive on street built by the whites. Idjiot. Instead of building their own streets to be proud of the ANC rename white streets and then say look what we built. What a joke.

      Logic - 2013-06-19 23:17

      what sad memories, do you remember the times before white settlers when black people lived in huts with no sanitation and no technology, when disease struck all you could do was die? or how about the fact that the indigenous populace had no education and no infrastructure. you whine because you were supposedly mistreated during apartheid when you say something was taken away from you which was never there. the tribes of South Africa were given their chance and they failed they even had land allotted to them and education, security and water and other basic utilities were all provided. and now what do those once proud people have? they have nothing, no schools, no water, no electricity, no security and no food. all at the hands of the ANC and not at the hands of apartheid

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 03:49

      kagiso - it takes two master degrees to sound like an idiot??? It does not take me master degrees to realise that this is wasteful expenditure and it pulls people apart instead of getting them closer. Like they said - the majority rule, so we should stump on the minority (bully approach neh??)...! I am lost when I try to look for Zambesi drive - it is now called something sefakyou macaca or something..! What was ZAMBEZI DRIVE name had to do with ANYTHING about offensive names? Maybe they should rename BMW because is offensive, or change the word television because it is offensive. Offensive this, offensive that! PLEASE MAN! I think what is important to take out of this article and what this master degree person said is this: no matter what the court says, we will do as wel please! F the law..! If the law does not suit, we will change the law to suit. Degree my sefakyou macaca..!

      Limbo - 2013-06-20 04:45

      Excuse me dubula, but do those streets you refer to include the "highly offensive" Zambesi road or Church street? What about the way the anc manipulated the changing of our main international airport from the geographical Johannesburg International to Oliver Tambo?

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 04:52

      Kagiso , from which university? Was he granted the degree because he was black in order to further transformation, or did he get the degree from a recognised university in Europe where only the quality of his work counted? Did he perhaps receive the degree as an initiative to further black students under the ANC, much like the 30% matric pass rate? U der the ANC, what does your degree really mean? I say nothing

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 04:58

      Dubula, I think the disturbed is the ANC department....how hard it must be for you that after 20 years in power, all the ANC have to show is the destruction of infrastructure created by the whites, while the best you can do is fight over renaming white streets..Fuming, perhaps that the idiocy behind street names means I cannot find my way round the city, not because of the new names, but the failed manner in which the idiot ANC implemented the change....no maps to be found, say av not recognising the names...bad luck Dubula, your ANC never built the street, nor even implemented the simple task of name change properly....idiot

      Sabelo Lex Mthembu - 2013-06-20 05:08

      Richard I hope you not implying that a black South African is incapable of receiving masters and post grad education solely on the basis of their work ethic. As for the street names, these things won't even matter in 10 years time. People should get over it. As long as you know your way around and where you going. Old names/ new names, who cares.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:08

      For someone who praises some kind of nkosi under the yellow green and black bandits' banner it's very strange that a name like "Church" street brings back sad memories. At least you've confirmed what I've said all along. No christian or supposed christian could really or should really be voting for the ANC. Hence, at least those in the ANC who claim they are christians mix it with some kind of ancestral nkosi. There you have it boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. No wonder nkosi isn't blessing africa.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:10

      Kagiso - uhm. You are aware that degrees can be bought. And you are aware that while some degrees are real, they can be obtained from sub standard 'leading african' university like Venda or Medunsa. And you are aware how many UNISA degrees are no longer sufficient to qualify for a job overseas? And you are aware of how low the pass requirements for matric and many universities are? That ain't prove NOTHING! Next you're going to tell us Pugface deserves respect for he passed grade 5?

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 05:31

      Sabelo, please read Dewald's response to Kagiso regarding purchased degrees...

      Nipson Bongane - 2013-06-20 06:12

      Who cares about bad memories? These politicians have nothing to do. Even Zuma changed the notes mxm.

      Mattewis Kat - 2013-06-20 07:22

      The state of Pretoria today brings back sad memories! Don't you smell the overwhelming stench of urine when you walk across church square, or is that what HOME smells like to you?

      Craig Mobey - 2013-06-20 07:36

      Dubula, what is presently happening in this country under the government of the day is sad. Sure, go ahead and change names, buy VVIP jets, etc etc etc. But only once nobody goes to sleep hungry or cold. Only once South Africans can feel safe again. Only once our children receive a world class education. And I can continue...

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 07:47

      kagiso - I am pretty much literate (I develop a multi-million rands software all by myself) I am not a beneficiary of the apartheid as I arrived in sa in 1994 from an estern block country in europe. I came her in a time when apartheid was over, mandela was in power, and bee was just getting started - so unfortunately your comment just simply shows how much of an imbecile you can be by believing that you and the likes of cANCer can keep using this racist card you keep throwing at us.

      AgSies Man - 2013-06-20 12:16

      How does West street, Smith Street and Stanger Street bring back sad memories? And Esplanade? Please man! Someone is making loads of money off this. In Durban, hundreds of streets changed names overnight! You try and give directions to out of towners when you have lived in one place for 20 years or more. Not everyone has navigation systems you know!!!

      Nettie Potgieter - 2013-06-20 17:39

      Dubula maybe you should call yourself Proes Street from now on.

  • Richard Scully - 2013-06-19 22:43

    I see News 24 is falling victim to the ANC election sensor machine....why did we expect from anything African? The editor got offered his snout in the trough

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 03:52

      dubula - sound like you read his "lies" though I cannot seem to find it because it was CENSORED! I BET you work at n24 and you removed his comments, but read them before you removed them! sefakyou macaca

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 05:00

      Dubula. I say return to your shack and Latrine pit, because that's all you will have

      Jonathan Woods - 2013-06-20 08:38

      Dubula, many with apparent knowledge have NO wisdom. And many with GREAT wisdom have no formal education. And many on Facebook just LIE about their accomplishments. Anyone with the apparent qualifications of this mayor surely has NO WISDOM!

  • Tebogo Dipico - 2013-06-19 23:07

    What 'AFRICAN' forum is this now?......this one is so crazy about apartheid, *very strange*

      Morné Brits - 2013-06-19 23:47

      Despite what you might think, there is Afrikaans culture beyond apartheid, some of which is being impacted by the name changes.

      Morné Brits - 2013-06-20 02:53

      None of those names are relevant to the current situation. Flick that chip off your shoulder.

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 03:55

      tebogo - was there a person named Church or Zambezi in your painful past? Are these two words offensive to you? Do you need a hug???

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:16

      You'll have a very hard time proving Verwoerd was a 'nazi leader'. If only your moron leader was half the man Verwoerd was, at least half this country would have worked regardless of its failed policies. One major difference is that Verwoerd cared at least about his own people. Your pathetic excuse of a leader doesn't even care about YOU.

      Mikesh Bhaskar - 2013-06-20 08:43

      If you don't like it Tebogo pack your bags.

      Richard Scully - 2013-06-20 09:56

      Yes Mikesh...

  • Bra N'Darkie - 2013-06-19 23:07

    Good Mr Mayor, those who want old street me, r free to do in Orania or Klip what what

      Mc Apple - 2013-06-19 23:23

      Prove your resolve. Make paying tax voluntary. Let the people who support this waist of money and the "intellectuals" behind it pay tax on a voluntary basis.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:21

      Exactly. In a REAL democracy, those who PAY for government decisions should be the ones voting. Hiding behind some non existent majority sadly is not a true reflection of the state of affairs because it doesn't account for tribalism and factionalism (evidence of distinct cultures) or non proportional population growth. If the new generation of poor whites (+-600 000 recorded to date by the few charities that deal with them) outbreed the "majority" in the next hundred years, the same new "minority" of former "majority" population will simply reject the new "majority" of former "minority" population outright. In fact, if migration from historic tribal settlements are accounted for, the number of Xhosas in Gauteng, for example, shouldn't even qualify! Regardless. That's they way things work here, isn't it.

      Mikesh Bhaskar - 2013-06-20 08:47

      It is a joke that any names should change. a Name represents history and origins. Continual name changes costs a lot of money that could have been used for housing and creating job opportunities. Name changing is a show of power, and the proof that grudges enjoys higher importance than the welfare of the community.

  • Busisiwe MakaSessy Zidepa - 2013-06-19 23:12

    i belive we have much more bigger issues than street names

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 03:56

      agreed

      Retha Vosloo - 2013-06-20 06:39

      I agree. Busi its much easier to change street names to distract attention off real issues.

      Solo Mathe - 2013-06-20 08:36

      Doesn't change the fact that an african country can't have a city full of name by a former oppressor.

  • Bradley Brits - 2013-06-19 23:36

    Renaming 25 offensive names? How is church street offensive? Unless the anc is anti churches and christians?

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:27

      Of course they are. They mos worship some kind of nkosi. Poor souls who die on the Poeloekwannie road every year...

  • Sean Wasserman - 2013-06-19 23:42

    What's in a name? Without Googling it, who knows who Peter Magano (hope I spelt it correctly) was? If you don't know now what are the chances anyone will know in 50 years time? The name changes are arbitrary.

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 04:02

      I still don;t know how to spell sefakYOU maCACA! lol

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:28

      Yeah. I had a cop stop me on that street and I asked him why he's swearing at me when he said he's doing a routine on SeFUKO MaGATo street... Talk about language perspectives...

  • King12 - 2013-06-19 23:45

    The name changes must just wait for atleast another 10 years, lets first look at the problem of unemployment and housing. lets not waste money on useless ideas

      Marius Wannenburg - 2013-06-20 00:11

      And 10 years from now Church street could well be called Zille Street.

      King12 - 2013-06-20 00:22

      Very true Marius

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:29

      THERE WE GO! ONE BRIGHT STAR IN THE SKY!

  • Jakes Cakedregs - 2013-06-19 23:58

    Revenge and hate is what it is all about for Ramokgopa - and Pretoria CBD is becoming a dump in the process.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:31

      Luckily they are misjudging the speed at which DA support is growing IN that classic African dump. They will still be fighting Afriforum (which has no relation to the DA) when the DA lady from the CBD itself takes the ward. Twee hondjies baklei oor die been en die derde enetjie loop daarmee heen.

      Maphutha Setsopo Tsebišo - 2013-06-20 18:18

      let it be our dump

  • Godfrey Madibane - 2013-06-20 00:11

    AfriFrorum e tsea chance!

  • Riana Bruyns-Lombard - 2013-06-20 00:17

    Funny how news24 only reports on this now. my local newspaper gave me this news on Tuesday already!

  • Sechaba Virgil Ndlovu - 2013-06-20 00:38

    I am going to Pretoria next month, what is Beatrice Street now? And Church Street?

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 04:05

      I know Zambezi is called SafakYOU maCACA! .... or something (excuse the spelling)

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:31

      Have no idea. But just follow the litter trail. I know it goes right through town so you'll eventually end up on the other side.

      Mc Apple - 2013-06-20 07:39

      I love Charles streets new name. Sounds like an al qaeda hit man that detonated prematurely.

  • Interesting - 2013-06-20 01:11

    hahahaha. this shiz is sooooooooo funny. change the names. Who cares. If it makes people feel better; then do it. Its really changing nothing.

      anikenvader - 2013-06-20 04:10

      it does matter if not ALL the people are happy and most of them are mentioning real issues such as getting lost in town. also it matters when we pay millions of rands out of tax money to change names while Greg Seema's out-of-patience people are living in corrugated iron structures..! of COURSE it matters! I ALSO don't give a damn about what names is there, but taking it in context with what happens around the issue and because I am a caring person and feel sorry for those people who hold cANCer in their hearts yet they live worse than dogs...due to cANCer's corrupt ways of awarding street name chaning tenders to benefit them! don't you care???

      Annelene Meterki Minnie - 2013-06-20 16:16

      @Interesting if you're a tax payer, we can look at it like this... You give me a huge chunk of your monthly earnings. We have a good laugh about it because it's soooooo funny. I'm rich, you're poor. and then I go and spend all your hard earned money on whatever I feel like, while you are struggling to make ends meet. Not so funny after all???

  • Woordelys - 2013-06-20 01:17

    Some new street names: Circumcision Ave., Ancestor Drive and Aftertears Boulevard.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:33

      More ideas: Nepotism Boulevard; Misfit Crescent; Zuma's Revenge Close; Crony Circle; Corruption Offramp; Bribery Street; Oh.. we could play all day long...

  • John Calitz - 2013-06-20 04:16

    It is not about street names it is about history of the city. The ANC did not establish the city of Pretoria, nor Acacia nor any other development. Now street names tell a story of a city or town over 150 years Pretoria developed. Now the ANC took over in 2000 if they develop new areas then they can give names to those areas they have developed and it happened in their time of government. If a new party takes over then they cannot change the names the ANC gave to the areas they developed in their term of office. Every stage of development of a city and names must remain as it is the new regime will have ample opportunities to develop areas and give names to their leaders. So it is so stupid to change street names that gives the history of previous governments. Instead of tackling the deterioration of the City of Pretoria or the City of Tshwane now they concern them about street names. I think small things amuse small minds. The last thing we want to see is change in street names the Major with his astronomical salary should uplift the city and people. I remember the days when local government was not fight on political party level. Individuals stand of a specific constituency. Then Dr Helgard Muller as Major of the City of Pretoria received R 300, 00 per month and the Councillors received R 15, 00 for each monthly Metro sitting. Rates and taxes were low. The City of Pretoria had thousands of people as employees. Each street has it's own team to keep the area clean, etc

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-06-20 05:37

      Not the mention that Pretoria was once a beautiful city with clean streets, a beautiful station, police officers who did their job on every corner, beautiful parks... I really don't care about Tswhane. It's REALLY Africa's leading capital. It's worse than Joburg in several places.

  • Jan Brand - 2013-06-20 04:20

    Why do we want to change names and spend money on it, education in this country is more important. Honest you people voting for changing who get rich out of this battle, lawyers!!!!

  • Chris Kruger - 2013-06-20 05:07

    I don't get it leave the names as is. Why spend money to change back the new street names to the old. Its because of this type of behavior that the Rand is so sh@t. What a waist of time and money. For all I care they can change the name to what ever they want. Just shows an un educated fool sitting in a high position is very damaging to South Africa and its nation.

  • Dalas Mantjolo - 2013-06-20 05:30

    Changing these streets cost us as tax payers! Dnt afriforum hev something important to do?

      Andrew Lottering - 2013-06-20 05:58

      dnt u stupid anc government has nothing better to do than wasting our money

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2013-06-20 05:55

    Go ahead and change the street names. The chinese colonialist will change it again when they take over.

      Jonathan Woods - 2013-06-20 09:37

      Yep , and if you cant read Mandarin in the Chinese characters. You will be truly F***d!

  • Thabani Stokfela SoAnyanis Mthembu - 2013-06-20 06:11

    Before the arrival of the boers there was nothing called Pretoria in Africa but the place got called Pretoria. It is this type of change that is getting you angry just as much as it got Africans angry. Lets call it a boomerang. Swallow your pill.

      Mc Apple - 2013-06-20 07:48

      Well if you see it like that then you can see the logic in why the place was called Pretoria. Really now the Africans got upset back then? Hahaha the Africans where still on most natural predators lunch menu and spend the days running from predators and other African tribes that wanted to turn you into a sosatie while the Europeans where developing. You were throwing toothpicks at each other and pulling lions teeth out of your butts while the Europeans where building railroads and roads. Not what anyone would call equal footing.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 11:07

      Nah, Thabani - boomerang's Australian, let's call it an African term...

      DanielDennett - 2013-06-20 12:52

      To be more accurate, before the boers came there was nothing period!

  • patrick.masseyhicks - 2013-06-20 06:12

    It seems if it's anything afrikaans, it's offensive. Rename them what you want, the people will still call it by its proper name. And it's Pretoria, not tshwane

  • Abraham De Villiers - 2013-06-20 06:29

    Before the arrival of the Bowers there was nothing. And then the Boers came and created a city and they called it Pretoria. Now please start doing the same. Once you have done your own developments, then you are qualified to talk of a boomerang action.

  • Blackhole_Sun - 2013-06-20 06:31

    The 'boere' as you call us afrikaners land marked and created Pretoria, not the anc, not any of you black racist mampara's commenting here. Our history is embedded in the city, and we will not allow it to be erased. So mayor of tswane, move on, focus on doing your job and stop wasting tax payers money in legal battles. This is one battle you cannot and will not win.

      Tshivhase Ricardo Ntanga - 2013-06-20 06:46

      this is not the matter of black people or white people, if u say we black pple we racist ,then u r saying it urself Is u mampara not us ,stop your apartheid attitude Then u will dwell in south Africa well ,this is our world and African world.the fact is changing of Tshwane streets shows that we black took the goverment ,and it will even b a reminder to our children on the history on wat the boer was treating our parents during foolish apartheid goverment.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 11:09

      Ja, Tshivhase, you took the goverment (sic) and then you broke it. Let THAT be a reminder to your children.

  • Nolubabalo Millie - 2013-06-20 07:05

    People are suffering and you want to change street names?. Street names have no bearing as to how we live our lives, it's just a waste of money that could have been used where it is really needed.

  • Hamelton Ethin - 2013-06-20 07:05

    You may call ANC by names by it won't change the fact that they are playing the guitar and you just dance to the music, this is just the beggining and if you don't like it just go to Australia,Afriforum is nothing but just a mouthpiece of minority

      Nathan Jewaskiewitz - 2013-06-20 09:13

      @Hamelton ROFL!!! we will see about that.. , go back into the history look what happened to the British soldiers in Africa and how many lost there lives in war due to the fact they tried to take the resources from Africa that made Africa stand out in economy and the Boer's (aka Afriforum) and afrikaners fought hard and made sure Africa was safe your tribes would have never survived it or maybe still be enslaved if they would have won, you are greatly mistaken if you think we will move or give up, we will stand ground and trust me war is not about volume here its about who has the initiative. "soo bring dit Poplap.. Bring dit.." this might be a shock to you,i see how your own cultures will be killing one and another, we might not even need to lift a finger look at your pet dog juju and your Highly educated President 2 different Tribes and they @ war with each other. I rest my case.

      Wikus Venter - 2013-06-21 08:35

      And feeding you

  • Ronnie Bothma - 2013-06-20 07:18

    How is someone's name or surname offensive? I'm shocked! Ok Zuma or Schoeman? Does any of these sound offensive? Enlighten me PLEASE!

      Maphutha Setsopo Tsebišo - 2013-06-20 07:55

      how many of your children carry african names or of african origin? the chances are Zero. Tshwane is an African city, occupied mostly by Africans, as such it must represent us. these name will stand, even if at the contempt of court. if things continue as it is this country will descent into chaos, but we african are of this place, we will die in that chaos without flying out

      Al Loots - 2013-06-20 10:27

      Sorry to burst your bubble Maphutha. Educated/degreed blacks are also 'flying out'. Such naivity. Btw. We were born here. Our great gandfathers and grandfathers fought and died here against the English. We happen to also wish to live and die here. Thus, the need to identify ourself with our own history is as strong and important.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 11:13

      Maphutha - "Tshwane" might be occupied by Africans (I assume you mean blacks), but why must you change names like Church or Zambezi? And why do you only abide by the law when it suits you? And yes, this country is descending into chaos; why not prevent the chaos rather than "we will die in that chaos"? Do you even hear the nonsense you're spewing?

  • Stephan van Schalkwyk - 2013-06-20 07:22

    The boers wasnt the first to arrive, the dutch was. When they arrived they came from a place that had sufficticated technology and houses. When they arrived here, the locals lived in huts and covered themselves with animal hides. So next time before you blame the whites, try just to imagine our great country without them. And remember, thr Khoi San was the first people that lived in this country and were driven from their land by other tribes, but when the futch and english came they traded the locals for their land and did not steel it.0

      Maphutha Setsopo Tsebišo - 2013-06-20 07:50

      it seems you are interested in chronology of human evolution, with particular reference to caucasian lot against african. well a first caucasian to have ever spoken sense and lived in man made structure was Thales of Malitus. and everything he learnt was at an african institution, western civilisation, your source racist attack is the youngest and the bottom of the evolution

      Kwanda Luthuli - 2013-06-20 08:23

      you are so misinformed it's not even funny...where did you learn your history from? Gosh!

  • Nwabisa Maniza Ramncwana - 2013-06-20 07:25

    such harsh words amongst such racist people (black & white). insulting each other will not better our country in any way. this country needs less people like you. I think the name change was a bad move for many reasons, including Economical.

      Godfried Krüger - 2013-06-20 15:40

      My hat off to you Nwabisa. You made the first sensible comment today. The racism on this forum is scary.

  • Bra Tabs - 2013-06-20 07:29

    Actually name changes is an integral part of service delivery and should be prioritised. SA is not little Holland anymore. Change is imminent and necessary.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 11:15

      Tell that to a child hungry for food and knowledge.

  • Sabelo Buthelezi - 2013-06-20 07:46

    A

  • Chibuli - 2013-06-20 07:47

    The court ORDERED the metro to "re-install old signs which have already been removed". Failure to follow an order of the court constitutes CONTEMPT. What part of "Contempt of Court" do you not understand? The ANC does NOT respect the rule of law, and therefore is not fit to govern.

      Maphutha Setsopo Tsebišo - 2013-06-20 07:51

      the city would rather be held in contempt than put up the racist names in our city

  • Adepoju Mosebo - 2013-06-20 08:05

    what's in a dutch name?

  • Malusi King Mkize - 2013-06-20 08:08

    Wow, the racisim displayed in these comments is shocking to say the least. White people are all knowing and omnipotent and black people are stupid unless they follow white people. It would be nice to see a purely non-racially motivated opinion on the issues in the article. Before I started reading News24 comments I was convinced that Racisim was done in our country and it was time to support parties like the DA and Afri-forum. But after reading these comments its clear to me that everyone(black and white) is just out to protect themselves. How can I not vote for the ANC now. That will be their downfall come 2014, if people are only concerned with protecting their own race instead of all South Africans, then it becomes a pure numbers game. And we all know who will win that one.

  • Dessa Junior-Tshabisto - 2013-06-20 08:10

    Lol thank u Mr Mayor, Afriforum is mad.

  • Blackhole_Sun - 2013-06-20 08:11

    It thrills me to see that minority representatives like solidariteit and afriforum keeps on winning almost every court case against the oppressing anc leadership. Keep up the good work boys! You have all the black racist fuming... Love it

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 11:17

      Agreed, Blackhole, but wouldn't it be even better if the ANC leadership (and poo-flinging followers)abided by the findings of the court cases? They have NO respect for the law.

  • Dessa Junior-Tshabisto - 2013-06-20 08:23

    Thannk u mayor, lmao

  • Sipho Nkosi - 2013-06-20 08:24

    is better next time when they want 2change the name they must ask the courtfirst becouse its showing us that anc have no power two dicide or they must ask da or freedom front plus

  • Sekhumise Kgaugelo Kgaugelo - 2013-06-20 08:29

    We need old street name bck plz

  • Solo Mathe - 2013-06-20 08:30

    I second that... Just ignore afriforum and they should go away eventually...

  • KB SoulDesire - 2013-06-20 08:46

    come on!!!! everyone knows that church street is church street. it's not like when you drive (Only if you know Pretoria very well) you will be looking at the street names, because you know it by heart. Now you just want to fight for that it is called WF Nkomo? For those who just arrived in pretoria, it's not a problem, you will get used to the names. Geez!!!

      Jaco Botha - 2013-06-20 09:10

      I almost thought it was W.T.F. Nkomo. I had the fright of my life when i saw that streetname.

  • Truth.nnete - 2013-06-20 09:29

    Its about time afrikaners live to their name and be proudly africans and support african names,I mean just chill guys come on.

      Al Loots - 2013-06-20 10:17

      So you are implying I should change my name and the name of my kids as well. That we should sacrifice our identity in the name of compliance to your need for self. Why don't we just wear the same gray overalls and build and paint all our houses the same and call all new born Sipho.

  • Frans Delport - 2013-06-20 10:22

    Arrogant bunch of pigs!

  • Aaron Larry Chaava - 2013-06-20 10:27

    Wow South africans love complaining. If its not the anc, its apartheid, or it racism, its his fault, no its their fault, its black people, its white people.... Am not bothered by the name change.. 1stly coz il make a effort to learn them, simple educated person wudnt find that to be a challenge.. 2ndly i find it weird that alot of whites expect the country to stay english or afrikaans, u go anywher in the world names go by language spoke ther, go to germany nd find a english name, we are all africans nd we shud act nd speak nd learn acordingly..9 official languages, how much hav any of u decided to embrace any of those languages...and thats wher the problem starts..not every black person learns english bt they try their best..and are laughed at. And u wonder why anc wil remain uncontestd, its simple things that take effort that wil make ths country great, not those who point fingerz

  • Pupuru Motebejane - 2013-06-20 10:29

    Change is good, i don't why afriforum makes this a serious matter, the money they have should have been channeled for good purpose.

  • Matome Lucky - 2013-06-20 10:41

    Why can't they be called apartheidforum. Apartheid will certainly NEVER come back, not in my lifetime. The street name will remain as it is like it or not. Let them go to hell

  • Maropola Nkitsing - 2013-06-20 11:01

    Tired ka Potgieter,Vanderwalt, Schoeman, Skinner. Well come change

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-20 11:19

      Welcome. The word is welcome.

  • Shaun Mangasi - 2013-06-20 11:15

    People on both sides getting emotional over street names, really. On one side you have black people thinking that by changing names they would have won against whites. On the other side you have the whites who dont want blacks to win this one. In all the chaos you have idiots talking about aparthied names . In the madness you have the funny ones who claim they built these things and its our heritage , hahaha . Please continue, i love reading these SA race fights, a real brawl of the idiots is always a great spectacle. My solution, as long as the girl doesnt cuddle i wouldnt care if she was verwoed's relative or calls me kwerekwere.

  • Shaun Mangasi - 2013-06-20 11:16

    People on both sides getting emotional over street names, really. On one side you have black people thinking that by changing names they would have won against whites. On the other side you have the whites who dont want blacks to win this one. In all the chaos you have idiots talking about aparthied names . In the madness you have the funny ones who claim they built these things and its our heritage , hahaha . Please continue, i love reading these SA race fights, a real brawl of the idiots is always a great spectacle. My solution, as long as the girl doesnt cuddle i wouldnt care if she was verwoed's relative or calls me kwerekwere.

  • Blackhole_Sun - 2013-06-20 11:31

    @ Truth .nnete: Being proudly african doesn't mean l have to take on black culture, or listen to black music or eat pap 7 days a week. I am a white african, with my own likes and culture different to yours.